Did Chit Chat Use to be "Worse"?

[Landsharks eat metal]

As you probably know, I am relatively new to the Chit Chat section, as well as the forum in general, so I don't know much about its history. I am always very surprised to see people (sometimes those who post here) discussing Chit Chat as if it is a very dark, scary, and even filthy place. That is not the impression I get of this section at all. I very likely have a large tolerance for general Internet weirdness, but I'm wondering how that is coloring my experience. Am I wrong in characterizing Chit Chat hijinks as "mild"? I have seen much worse on other sites, and I've never even visited 4chan.

[Ele'ill]

It gets offensive.

[Landsharks eat metal]

It gets offensive.
Do the offensive threads get trashed or something, because I haven't really seen many, and I read 15+ pages of old threads one day when I was bored. (Or, as I said, it could be that I have a higher tolerance for crap than others.)

[bricolage]

Am I wrong in characterizing Chit Chat hijinks as "mild"? I have seen much worse on other sites, and I've never even visited 4chan.
Compared to most of the internet it is two mormons discussing rice cakes.

[Robespierre Richard]

This thread is everything that's right with revleft

[Landsharks eat metal]

Compared to most of the internet it is two mormons discussing rice cakes.
That's how I feel about it, but so often, I see quotes like this one:

my recollection is that it was once visible to all before it became a cesspit of 4-chan style borderline mysoginist crap that was offensive to new female members and lurkers. It was blocked to non members to save embarressment.
This is worded ambiguously and could be referring to the past and Chit Chat has now changed. I'm not really sure.

[#FF0000]

Place was kind of a boys club once I guess.

[Pirate Utopian]

It's an evil cesspit of vile racism and homophobia, it makes 4chan look tame. Atleast that's what they say.

[Quail]

Place was kind of a boys club once I guess.
"Was once"? It's still a massive sausage fest. The only women that post regularly seem to be me and Esperanza, sometimes Iseul and CoTR. Other than that, it's mostly men.

[Landsharks eat metal]

"Was once"? It's still a massive sausage fest. The only women that post regularly seem to be me and Esperanza, sometimes Iseul and CoTR. Other than that, it's mostly men.

I'm beginning to be a regular Chit Chat poster too, or at least trying to get over my shyness, but yeah, it's mostly guys, just like the other message boards I post on.

[Magón]

Don't hate, participate.

Or else...
http://flipthatbird.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/homeless-bum-bird.jpg

[Il Medico]

"Was once"? It's still a massive sausage fest. The only women that post regularly seem to be me and Esperanza, sometimes Iseul and CoTR. Other than that, it's mostly men.
In fairness that pretty much sums up the forum as a whole, sadly.

[Quail]

I'm beginning to be a regular Chit Chat poster too, or at least trying to get over my shyness, but yeah, it's mostly guys, just like the other message boards I post on.
I haven't seen your posts, so I didn't know you were female. Sometimes revleft is utterly depressing because of the lack of women and the massive amount of teenage men. I sometimes feel that feminist issues are very poorly understood.

[Landsharks eat metal]

I haven't seen your posts, so I didn't know you were female. Sometimes revleft is utterly depressing because of the lack of women and the massive amount of teenage men. I sometimes feel that feminist issues are very poorly understood.
That is depressing. At least there doesn't seem to be as many occurances of men randomly coming on to women (at least that I've seen) than on NationStates Forum 7. That's pretty much the standard to which I hold this forum and pronounce it tame.

[Quail]

That is depressing. At least there doesn't seem to be as many occurances of men randomly coming on to women (at least that I've seen) than on NationStates Forum 7. That's pretty much the standard to which I hold this forum and pronounce it tame.
I used to play OGame and had all manner of creepy men come on to me... You should expect a higher standard from leftist men though, in that they shouldn't see you as just a woman they might want to fuck, but a person with valid ideas and opinions. Sexism is thankfully looked down on in this forum, even though it still exists, which is encouraging in that many of the men here do endeavour to understand women and patriarchy. The main issue really is subtle sexism and the refusal to accept that just because you're a leftist who is interested in women's liberation, it doesn't mean that your behaviour can't be sexist. Reading and understanding feminist theory is fine, but applying it to yourself is the most difficult part.

[Landsharks eat metal]

You should expect a higher standard from leftist men though
Good point. The main offender on NationStates was a fash (who I was stupid enough to pretend to date for a while), and that really shows.

Do you believe that any men can actually truly understand the female experience without having lived it themselves?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I haven't seen your posts, so I didn't know you were female. Sometimes revleft is utterly depressing because of the lack of women and the massive amount of teenage men. I sometimes feel that feminist issues are very poorly understood.

I'm pretty sure that revleft is mostly comprised of 20-somethings more than teenagers.

I think that the discussion level on this site has generally increased, actually, except for Chit Chat, the level of which is basically the same as I remember it from years back. I attribute this to former teenagers like myself becoming increasingly jaded 20-somethings.

[Tablo]

Revleft, even in chit-chat, maintains a quality of discussion leaps and bounds beyond the rest of the internet. We do have a problem with sexism, homophobia, and transphobia. That's an ongoing battle. I think we will be seeing that improve in the near future.

[eyedrop]

I'm pretty sure that revleft is mostly comprised of 20-somethings more than teenagers.

I think that the discussion level on this site has generally increased, actually, except for Chit Chat, the level of which is basically the same as I remember it from years back. I attribute this to former teenagers like myself becoming increasingly jaded 20-somethings.

I think the discussion has grown worse back when I started hanging/lurking here (when it was che-lives) there was many posters I looked forward to reading their posts. Morpheus, Redstar2000, LSD, old TAT, Sevarian and plenty of others where all posters which wrote interesting posts which took some efforts. Now it seems like half the posts are one liners or users trying to hide an empty argument behind so much "advanced" terminology. Or maybe it's just that I have gone through the same discussions a million times already.

The only posters I find writes interesting posts consistently now are Demogorgon and Syndicat.

But I reckon it's just me getting old and jaded.

PS! I wish Morpheus would post more, it was my favorite poster of all times here.

[synthesis]

Or maybe it's just that I have gone through the same discussions a million times already.

This, I think. I'd definitely say that the standard of discourse has been steadily improving since I signed up.

[Jazzratt]

Chti-chat's never really been that bad, people just like to piss and moan about things.

We even closed it completely once :lol:

[hatzel]

The only posters I find writes interesting posts consistently now are Demogorgon and Syndicat.

This is a serious slap in the face for the rest of the board...:(

[eyedrop]

This is a serious slap in the face for the rest of the board...:(

I'm sure you are a big boy/girl and can handle it.

Look at a random (http://www.revleft.com/vb/chris-bambery-resigns-t152889/index.html) thread in the politics forum.

The 4 first replies to a posted article is.

lolz.


Nothing suprising here.


In b4 mandatory montypython reference



In b4 mandatory montypython referenceDamn it ;(

Why do I have to wade through meaningless irrelevant shit like that to find any relevant comments? Why are such posts allowed on what should be a serious board?


Edit; i went through some more random threads and I realize I was lucky with my random thread (maybe it was my subconscience that predicted a SWP thread would be bad), but I can still find quite a few non-contributing posts in almost every thread.

I would like this forum to have a no-tolerance on noncontributing posts in the serious areas, being a shitty poster should be a much more bannable offence than not having the correct political line. Other forums manage to avoid the lolz posts so this one should as well.

[hatzel]

Why do I have to wade through meaningless irrelevant shit like that to find any relevant comments? Why are such posts allowed on what should be a serious board?

If this weren't chit-chat, I would have thanked this post :)

[eyedrop]

And why do I have to wait 60 seconds between each time I report a post, that shouldn't have been a problem if it weren't so many spam posts that I usually spot more than one every 60th second. The sad thing is that there is a reward (becoming a commited member) to writing tons of short noncontributing posts. This site also showed itself to be to childish to have a rep system as now most rep is probably given out for cheap-shotting other political factions.

For a short period of time awhile ago I used the rep system to hand out negative rep for bad posts, as I think the rep system was for rewarding good posts and punish bad posts, but everyone sent me pissed PMs so I didn't bother anymore. Shouldn't seeing a poster with a ton of rep signify a good poster?


I realize the admins and moderators have plenty of work to do here, but I think it would be easier after some time of hard-lining on short noncontributing posts.

[eyedrop]

This, I think. I'd definitely say that the standard of discourse has been steadily improving since I signed up.

When I went to a thread Louis Henrique posted (Link (http://www.revleft.com/vb/reformism-t39648/index.html?highlight=redstar2000)) I must say that I'm still unconvinced that the discourse in the theory forum these days are any better.


And since I'm in a whiny mood today, can't our mods please start a 2 year period between each time you change your nick. Your nick is a way to separate different posters, not a vessel for your self expression you need to change every day and a half.

[bailey_187]

And why do I have to wait 60 seconds between each time I report a post, that shouldn't have been a problem if it weren't so many spam posts that I usually spot more than one every 60th second. The sad thing is that there is a reward (becoming a commited member) to writing tons of short noncontributing posts. This site also showed itself to be to childish to have a rep system as now most rep is probably given out for cheap-shotting other political factions.

For a short period of time awhile ago I used the rep system to hand out negative rep for bad posts, as I think the rep system was for rewarding good posts and punish bad posts, but everyone sent me pissed PMs so I didn't bother anymore. Shouldn't seeing a poster with a ton of rep signify a good poster?


I realize the admins and moderators have plenty of work to do here, but I think it would be easier after some time of hard-lining on short noncontributing posts.

negged.

[Communist Theory]

You shoulda seen this place when STJ was around.

[Ele'ill]

And why do I have to wait 60 seconds between each time I report a post, that shouldn't have been a problem if it weren't so many spam posts that I usually spot more than one every 60th second. The sad thing is that there is a reward (becoming a commited member) to writing tons of short noncontributing posts. This site also showed itself to be to childish to have a rep system as now most rep is probably given out for cheap-shotting other political factions.

There are plenty of warned and infracted one-liners.


For a short period of time awhile ago I used the rep system to hand out negative rep for bad posts, as I think the rep system was for rewarding good posts and punish bad posts, but everyone sent me pissed PMs so I didn't bother anymore.

So they disagree with you.


Shouldn't seeing a poster with a ton of rep signify a good poster?

So are you a good poster?

[Robespierre Richard]

So are you a good poster?

http://blogofowned.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/owned9wz.jpg

[Wanted Man]

It's not really much better or worse. How would you go about measuring that? The people who only joined last year wouldn't know, the people who like it will continue doing so, and the people who hate it will keep complaining about it. Nothing new under the sun.

[eyedrop]

So are you a good poster?
Nehh... mediocre

[Il Medico]

. Shouldn't seeing a poster with a ton of rep signify a good poster?

I have lots of rep.

So, no.

[Kuppo Shakur]

It's actually the ratio between rep and post count. If someone has a lot of rep, but twice the posts, that means they make a lot of stupid posts. If your like me and have relatively not a whole lot of rep, but it's much more than your post count, then you must be so cool that you should be an admin like right now.

[synthesis]

The whole idea that people are being judged by their "rep" is what makes me think we should get rid of it. It's another incentive to make posts that will get you points instead of posts that actually make points.

[Robespierre Richard]

The whole idea that people are being judged by their "rep" is what makes me think we should get rid of it. It's another incentive to make posts that will get you points instead of posts that actually make points.

haaah

[Tablo]

They should just get rid of rep/

[Salyut]

Good point. The main offender on NationStates was a fash

GWO?

NSG is terrible. Amazing to troll but a terrible, terrible place.

[Magón]

They should just get rid of rep/

Do, and it won't be just the E-penis cut off. :lol:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

If your like me and have relatively not a whole lot of rep, but it's much more than your post count, then you must be so cool that you should be an admin like right now.
hurd dat homie. wait wut

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'm sure you are a big boy/girl and can handle it.

Look at a random (http://www.revleft.com/vb/chris-bambery-resigns-t152889/index.html) thread in the politics forum.

Well, that particular thread is about a faction fight within a British Trot organization, so I think that should be taken into account here...

It's almost like taking a thread about Bob Avakian and saying that represents all that RevLeft's about. Threads about specific orgs. are usually the most childish.

[Landsharks eat metal]

GWO?

NSG is terrible. Amazing to troll but a terrible, terrible place.
Hathradic States. I was an F7er :blushing:

[Salyut]

Hathradic States. I was an F7er :blushing:

I was one of the ones who fled II for SMS. Mod tyranny is fail.

[L.A.P.]

Why do I have to wade through meaningless irrelevant shit like that to find any relevant comments? Why are such posts allowed on what should be a serious board?


Edit; i went through some more random threads and I realize I was lucky with my random thread (maybe it was my subconscience that predicted a SWP thread would be bad), but I can still find quite a few non-contributing posts in almost every thread.

I would like this forum to have a no-tolerance on noncontributing posts in the serious areas, being a shitty poster should be a much more bannable offence than not having the correct political line. Other forums manage to avoid the lolz posts so this one should as well.

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270911970_db35fdd4ca.jpg

Get over it, sorry if people don't think an internet forum isn't a serious part of their lives because they have actual lives.

[eyedrop]

Get over it, sorry if people don't think an internet forum isn't a serious part of their lives because they have actual lives.

My life is so important to me that I'm atleast irritated to be wasting it reading shitty memes. While you have plenty of time to waste browsing through it.

And what does if I have a life to do with that I would prefer a more serious forums btw? Is there some connection I'm not seeing?

[L.A.P.]

My life is so important to me that I'm atleast irritated to be wasting it reading shitty memes. While you have plenty of time to waste browsing through it.

Someone has a stick up their ass.


And what does if I have a life to do with that I would prefer a more serious forums btw? Is there some connection I'm not seeing?

Because an internet forum isn't a serious place. That's what life is for.

[Ele'ill]

Because an internet forum isn't a serious place. That's what life is for.

But that logic brings us up to the point of either allowing the entire forum to be turned into a complete fecal festival or closing the site forever.

[Meridian]

the female experience
The what now?

[Fawkes]

No, the "state" of chit chat has remained pretty much the same since I joined 5 years ago. And yeah, the rep system is stupid. I think it'd be cool if people could still thank others' posts, but if everyone's rep was automatically hidden.

[Comrade J]

No, the "state" of chit chat has remained pretty much the same since I joined 5 years ago. And yeah, the rep system is stupid. I think it'd be cool if people could still thank others' posts, but if everyone's rep was automatically hidden.

This.

Actually January-March 2006 was awesome, and then Fawkes joined and it went downhill from there.

[Jazzratt]

This.

Actually January-March 2006 was awesome, and then Fawkes joined and it went downhill from there. It picked up again in June though...

[L.A.P.]

But that logic brings us up to the point of either allowing the entire forum to be turned into a complete fecal festival or closing the site forever.

Your point is correct, but then again I'm just fucking with the user because they have a stick up their ass.

[Magón]

the what now?

SHE SAID 'THE FEMALE EXPERIENCE'!


:lol:

[Agent Ducky]

Really? There is a shortage of females posting in Chit Chat? I should post here moar to balance out ratio. =]

[MarxSchmarx]

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270911970_db35fdd4ca.jpg

Get over it, sorry if people don't think an internet forum isn't a serious part of their lives because they have actual lives.
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