EDL attack UAF demonstration against France's veil ban

[IndependentCitizen]

France the so-called home of liberty, equality and fraternity. Well, not according to these protestors.



French President Nicholas Sarkozy claims the veil imprisons women and is an affront the principles of equality and secularism. But while there are differences of opinion within the Muslim community, most if not all are deeply uncomfortable at what they see as an attack on their community.

In London they were joined by other concerned citizens, who fear the spread of Islamophobia in Europe.

And, as if to make a point, the far right English defence league unexpectedly arrived and charged into the protest.

What had been a calm and peaceful protest outside the French embassy has now turned into a tense and volatile situation with the arrival of the English Defence League.

The group stands accused of holding a vendetta against Muslims in general, an accusation they deny. Their rallies often turn violent, and some of their followers have used abusive anti-Muslim language. The group exemplifies a wider trend towards the far right across Europe.

While a ban on the face veil seems likely in several more Western European countries, here in the UK there are no such plans for the moment. Although some politicians to the right have suggested one.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174328.html

We're seeing an increase in attacks from these bastards...:mad:

[Anarchist Skinhead]

aye, something really needs to be done..

[Tim Finnegan]

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[HerrWunderbar]

The UAF use force and violence to stop the BNP and EDL voicing their own opinion, Don't you think this is in violation to their free-speech? You tell me who's the fascist.

[agnixie]

The UAF use force and violence to stop the BNP and EDL voicing their own opinion, Don't you think this is in violation to their free-speech? You tell me who's the fascist.

The fascist is the fascist. What kind of ridiculous question is that?

[Ravachol]

The UAF use force and violence to stop the BNP and EDL voicing their own opinion, Don't you think this is in violation to their free-speech? You tell me who's the fascist.

http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/crying-baby-300x300.jpg

Go cry me a river EDL boy. Or make a few more accounts and waste your day, whatever bro.

[IndependentCitizen]

The UAF use force and violence to stop the BNP and EDL voicing their own opinion, Don't you think this is in violation to their free-speech? You tell me who's the fascist.

You really need to read up on what makes a fascist, you dump shit. Fascism must be silenced before it makes a significant impact, the National Front wasn't combatted straight away, but it eventually got beaten down.

Now, this was a peaceful protest against the banning of a niqab. This isn't anything to do with extremism. This is about women's rights to what they wear. Yet, it was attacked.

2 weeks ago, EDL's brighton fascist lot attacked a meeting on David Cameron's comments on multiculturalism, it actually wasn't about the EDL. But they still attacked, and caused criminal damage to a Quaker's building. Do you know what a Quaker is? They're a sect of christians who oppose violence, but instead, you bought violence to them.

The speeches you make on your demonstrations are disgusting, hate filled and full of hypocrisy. You complain about organisations such as Muslims Against Crusades spreading hate, yet do the very same, just with different words another day. The thing about MAC, because it's so small. It just needs to be ignored. Yes, the burning of the poppy is questionable, yet. It was only a group of 30 Muslims. It would have been ignored if it wasn't for the EDL to physically attack them, and give them more of an excuse to protest.

The EDL isn't as small as MAC, so therefore, it needs a bigger presence to stop it. I dislike the UAF myself, however, I'll defend innocent people from being attacked by thugs such as the EDL carries. In that meeting, there 30-35 people, all just talking about Cameron's comments, and why multiculturalism is a good thing. Nothing to do with the EDL. It was a dogmatic attack. Just like the National Front, they'd break up, and fight others with opposing ideology.

The EDL wants people to live under English law, and our way of life. Since when does the average English labour supporter go and physically attack the local Conservative group? British Anti-fascists joined the international brigade to support the Spanish republicans stop the fascists, many British soldiers joined the army specifically to fight Nazi Germany. There's a history of anti-fascism within Britain, whilst we mustn't forget the atrocities this country, and others have committed, you're telling me British people (this means the whole country, which you supposedly represent) supports physically attacking meetings?

The EDL is mimicing National Front style use of tactics, wake the fuck up, and get out of the organisation.

Fascism doesn't necessarily mean Nazism, something that really annoys me about the UAF is the "NAAAZZZZIIIIIII SCUM" because, it's evident the EDL isn't just white supremacists. (Research the Southport Squadron's members. SS = Southport Squadron, with members from the Southport front - http://southportfront.blogspot.com/ - Facebook Matty Coast, and go through his friends list...a few edl members from the southport squadron on there)..

Also, Tommy Robinson, or Stephen Yaxley, or "Fenian" scum to some EDL members. Now, considering this man, who considers himself an English patriot, is called by his members a derogatory term against Irish people is amazing. It's hilarious, the EDL apparently isn't a bigot filled cesspit, but this just proves it wrong. The EDL is full of hate, not just for Muslims, but for the Irish, and for anyone who wishes to live in this country, just under their culture...

I rest my case.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i really fucking detest these scum bags. just a bunch of dumb and bigoted thugs. to the average edl gargoyle there's no politics involved, he just wants to fight, and the state of course turns a blind eye.

[nuisance]

i really fucking detest these scum bags. just a bunch of dumb and bigoted thugs. to the average edl gargoyle there's no politics involved, he just wants to fight, and the state of course turns a blind eye.
Are you trying to tell me that this lad is not well informed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUNmc6A6VSo&feature=related

Nice jacket, though.

[IndependentCitizen]

The funny thing is about the EDL, they protest about foreigners breaking the law, but they've all probably got a criminal record anyway.

[Ravachol]

Are you trying to tell me that this lad is not well informed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUNmc6A6VSo&feature=related

Nice jacket, though.

What is this I don't even... :confused:

[DDR]

What is this I don't even... :confused:

You don't know about the unofficial EDL member who bewares us all about the Muslamic Ray Guns? He and the teabagger of the "pot smokin neo-marxist" are the best ways to so people how dumb these people are.

[El Chuncho]

the uaf use force and violence to stop the bnp and edl voicing their own opinion, don't you think this is in violation to their free-speech? You tell me who's the fascist.

Fascist alert! Fascist alert!

[YorkshireAntifa]

The UAF use force and violence to stop the BNP and EDL voicing their own opinion, Don't you think this is in violation to their free-speech? You tell me who's the fascist.

Why are you on this forum?

And some fascists just don't get the message. I've argued with ignorant ones on countless occasions, but most are just so far "gone" that there's no getting through to 'em.

I'm not an UAF member, and I don't agree with how they've run everything in past demonstrations, but I can understand why some feel it's necessary to go militant on these fascists.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

As a matter of fact UAF almost NEVER uses violence and thats the criticism lots of militant antifas have towards them ha ha ;) But I am digressing- EDL are bunch of tossers but seriously, most of them are complete cowards as well and faced with resistance are not so tough as they try to pose.

[Anarchrusty]

Problem with UAF is SWP trying to sell their newspapers and generally pushing their agenda running through their ranks.
However, I do believe that the UAF is, as much as AFA, playing an important role in confronting the EDL and BNP. UAF is the face to the general public, whereas militant antifascists emerge from the dark to strike swiftly, and disappear again. Where UAF is the head, the others are the muscle.
They complement eachother, even if neither wats to admit.

Important now, is that an evergrowing street army like the EDL is dealt with, in every possible way. Be that, demo's, violence, publications, character assassination (they hate being called nazi's :laugh:), leafletting, speeches in venues, blogs etc etc.

[HerrWunderbar]

OK, To be honest I've got no good counter arguement to my comments about the UAF i've made previously, typical commies like you's never usually respond to nationalist arguments apart from the occasional "your a fascist/racist!". Dumb Fucks.

[RedAnarchist]

OK, To be honest I've got no good counter arguement to my comments about the UAF i've made previously, typical commies like you's never usually respond to nationalist arguments apart from the occasional "your a fascist/racist!". Dumb Fucks.

"I've got no good counter-argument, so I'll just post some insults instead".

Also, what does my "a fascist/racist!" have to do with this? You leave my "a fascist/racist!" out of this!

[Anarchist Skinhead]

dumb fuck was your ma that spawned shithead like you. now fuck off from this forum and get a life, you never know, you might like it :)

[IndependentCitizen]

OK, To be honest I've got no good counter arguement to my comments about the UAF i've made previously, typical commies like you's never usually respond to nationalist arguments apart from the occasional "your a fascist/racist!". Dumb Fucks.

Actually, it's you're, not "your". Dumb fuck.

[Sasha]

OK, To be honest I've got no good counter arguement to my comments about the UAF i've made previously, typical commies like you's never usually respond to nationalist arguments apart from the occasional "your a fascist/racist!". Dumb Fucks.


yeah whatever, cry me a river, banned

[Anarchrusty]

Herrwunderbar, then instead of complaining about a good argument, come up with one. Every BNP opponent has been waiting for that, for so many years. Stop *****ing about us, and give us the arguments why YOU guys are right, and we are deluded.
That's right, I don't think any of you have ever been able to provide one.

[YorkshireAntifa]

Time and time again I've heard these fascists referring to anti-fascists as "Commies" just because of their leftist views.

I'd like to stress now that not everyone fits under the "Communist" category for counteracting bigotry. Myself included.

[IndependentCitizen]

It maybe because the EDL discovered the secret weapon of mass destruction that's in the hands of the Muslamics.



Bloody ray guns.

[YorkshireAntifa]

Yep! 'Cause they so want "Britain to be back British". Whatever that means...

[El Chuncho]

Yep! 'Cause they so want "Britain to be back British". Whatever that means...

:laugh:

Actually I am not really sure what he is saying anyway. He sounds like he is saying ''Britain to be bu(t) British'' to me, but it could be ''Britain to be back British'', ''Britain to be about British'' or even ''Britain to be for British'', he is just too stupid that he can't even speak properly.

It is ironic that the same people have protested about foreigners not speaking English. :rolleyes:

But he makes good points like ''They 'ave got their...they've got their law'' and ''they've got Muslamic ray guns''. These are important issues! :laugh:

[brigadista]

britain is a place of immigrants as far back as you want to go - some so called "english" need to learn their own history and get over it

[Sasha]

But he makes good points like ''They 'ave got their...they've got their law'' [...] These are important issues! :laugh:


not any law, Iraqi law!!! and they want to implement it in engeland, the iraqi law.
wel i looked up that infamous iraqi law:
Basic Principles

The Constitution sets out a multitude of basic assertions (unfortunately because of last minute changes to the constitution, most of the footnote references below to specific articles in the constitution are inaccurate):


Iraq is an independent nation.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art1-1)
The system of government is a democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic), federal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation), representative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy), parliamentary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary) republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art1-1)
Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) is the state religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion) and a basic foundation for the country's laws,[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-2) and no law may contradict the established provisions of Islam.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-3)
No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-4)
No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms may be established.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-5)
The Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and the full religious rights for all individuals and the freedom of creed and religious practices is guaranteed.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-6)
Iraq is part of the Islamic world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world) and its Arab citizens are part of the Arab nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art3-7)
Iraq is a multiethnic, multi-religious and multi-sect country[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art3-7) and Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language) and Kurdish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_language) are the official languages.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art4-1st-8) Iraqis are guaranteed the right to educate their children in their mother tongues, such as Turkmen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Azeri_language) and Assyrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Neo-Aramaic), in government educational institutions, or any other language in private educational institutions, according to educational regulations.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art4-1st-8)
The Turkomen and Assyrian languages will be official in the areas where they are located.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-9) Any region or province can take a local language as an additional official language if a majority of the population approves in a general referendum.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-10)
Entities or trends may not advocate, instigate, justify or propagate racism, terrorism, "takfir" (declaring someone an infidel), or sectarian cleansing.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art7-1st-11) The "Saddamist Ba'ath Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baath_Party)", regardless of the name that it adopts, is specifically banned.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art7-1st-11)
The country has a military and security services under the command of the civil authority, and will not interfere in politics, or be used in the transfer of authority.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art9-1st-a-12) Militias are prohibited.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art9-1st-b-13) Military officials may not hold office.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art9-1st-c-14)
The constitution is the highest law of the land.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-15) No law may be passed that contradicts the constitution.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-16)

Rights and Freedoms

The Constitution defines many rights and freedoms, and incorporates laws in many subject areas into the Constitution. It guarantees the rule of law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law),[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-17)[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art28-18) equality before the law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_before_the_law),[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-19) equal opportunity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_opportunity),[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-20) privacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy),[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-21) inalienable nationality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality) and dual nationality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_nationality),[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-22) judicial independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_independence),[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art19-23) the prohibition on ex post facto laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law),[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art19-23) right to counsel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_counsel),[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art19-23) a public trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_trial) unless the court decides to make it a secret trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_trial),[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art19-23) a presumption of innocence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence),[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art19-23) the right to participate in public affairs and the right to vote, to elect and to nominate,[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-24) freedom from extradition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition),[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art21-25) political asylum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_asylum),[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art21-25) "economic, social and cultural liberties",[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art21-25) the right to work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_work),[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art22-26) the right to join trade unions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union),[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art22-26) ownership of personal property (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property),[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art23-27) eminent domain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain) powers,[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art23-27) rights similar to the Four Freedoms (European Union) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms_%28European_Union%29),[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-28)[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-29) minimum wage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage),[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art28-18) universal health care (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care),[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-30) free education (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_education),[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-31) dignity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity),[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art35-32) freedom from psychological and physical torture and inhumane treatment and the right to compensation,[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art35-32) freedom from "compulsory service",[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art35-32) limited freedom of expression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression), freedom of the press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press), and freedom of assembly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly),[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art36-33) the right to engage in sports,[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-art36-33) limited freedom of forming and of joining associations and political parties,[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-34) requirement of warrants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_%28law%29) for wiretaps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiretap),[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-35) freedom of religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion),[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-36) freedom of thought, conscience and belief.[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iraq#cite_note-37)

and i must say that the british law system could take some well deserved improvements from them :lol:.

[El Chuncho]

Maybe the UK experimental facilities should try to produce ray guns akin to the Muslamic kind too. They'll certainly give their armed forces the edge.

[YorkshireAntifa]

:laugh:

Actually I am not really sure what he is saying anyway. He sounds like he is saying ''Britain to be bu(t) British'' to me, but it could be ''Britain to be back British'', ''Britain to be about British'' or even ''Britain to be for British'', he is just too stupid that he can't even speak properly.

It is ironic that the same people have protested about foreigners not speaking English. :rolleyes:

But he makes good points like ''They 'ave got their...they've got their law'' and ''they've got Muslamic ray guns''. These are important issues! :laugh:

They really should stop suppin' pints in Wetherspoons during their "demos".

[YorkshireAntifa]

britain is a place of immigrants as far back as you want to go - some so called "english" need to learn their own history and get over it

Exactly. And what about all the Asians and blacks who fought for this country during the World Wars?

[pastradamus]

The UAF use force and violence to stop the BNP and EDL voicing their own opinion, Don't you think this is in violation to their free-speech? You tell me who's the fascist.

I dont believe in giving democratic privilages to those who oppose giving democratic privilages to others. The EDL represents an affront to free-speech, democracy, equality and instead promotes racism, fascism and violence against people based on religious and racial grounds.

To accept the EDL as a legitimate political entity is to surrender your reason to racism.

[YorkshireAntifa]

I dont believe in giving democratic privilages to those who oppose giving democratic privilages to others. The EDL represents an affront to free-speech, democracy, equality and instead promotes racism, fascism and violence against people based on religious and racial grounds.

To accept the EDL as a legitimate political entity is to surrender your reason to racism.

Well said, my friend.

[The Idler]

Chomsky said Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're really in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech.

[El Chuncho]

Chomsky said Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're really in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech.

Qué? My brain hurts!!!!





:tt2:

[The Idler]

Censorship considers that people are too ignorant to decide for themselves. Workers are quite capable of judging for themselves and working out which ideas accord with their interests – and which do not. The best condition for the emergence of socialist understanding remains free and frank discussion.

[Anarchrusty]

Censorship considers that people are too ignorant to decide for themselves. Workers are quite capable of judging for themselves and working out which ideas accord with their interests – and which do not. The best condition for the emergence of socialist understanding remains free and frank discussion.


I strongly believe in a no platform policy when it comes to fascists. We shouldn't give them the space to spread their hatefull messages and influence young impressionable people.
They should be opposed on the streets and anywhere else, because freedom of speech means nothing if you let intolerant views run wild.

[Sasha]

Censorship considers that people are too ignorant to decide for themselves. Workers are quite capable of judging for themselves and working out which ideas accord with their interests – and which do not. The best condition for the emergence of socialist understanding remains free and frank discussion.

oh, but we very much favor free and frank working-class discussions with the fash, sadly there are most of times several lines of riot police standing in the way. :D

[PhoenixAsh]

Don't you just hate the Iraqi Imperialism over England?
:laugh:

[Means to a end]

britain is a place of immigrants as far back as you want to go - some so called "english" need to learn their own history and get over it


Being English (which is something I identify myself as all be it by birth, not saying I being English makes me better than someone who is Dutch for example) in my views has nothing to do with racial or religious grounds, merely down to where you are born. Thats how I see it anyway.

As for the nation of immigrants, maybe so, but in the past everyone got along, people honestly did not care. But in this country at least now, the sheer amount of underlying racism between '''us'''' (i.e white people, and even some black people now) and '''''them'''''( '''foreigners'''', ''''pakis'''' and more recent immigrants) is alarming.

(I use us and them in the terminology which is often used in some divided places, not of my own use)

Everyone in this world, sometime in their ancestors past they were a descendant of a immigrant. If only people all over the world could remember that.