Cuba, Not U.S., Is World's Leading Jailer

[Babylon5 Crusade]

The blame-America-firsters love to claim the U.S. has the world's highest rate of incarceration (some of these same poindexters express bafflement that the U.S. crime rate drops when more criminals are put away). As it turns out, however, Cuban dictator Fidel Castro has the globe's biggest big house.

Cuba has "an estimated 100,000 or so inmates in about 200 prisons and labor camps spread around an island slightly smaller than Pennsylvania," including about 300 political prisoners, the Miami Herald reported today.

Even the pro-Castro U.N. reported in 1995 that Cuba had between 100,000 and 200,000 prisoners, and this was before Castro's recent crackdowns.

If the island has the lower estimate of 100,000 prisoners, it would still have "888 inmates per 100,000 people, far ahead of the United States, which, according to the Prison Studies centre's latest report, has 701 inmates per 100,000."

And these aren't U.S.-style prisons with cable TV, three hot meals a day, libraries and gyms. "Letters smuggled out by a handful of the imprisoned dissidents describe tight, filthy quarters infested with rodents and bugs; food too disgusting to eat; limited access to medical care; and physical and mental abuse," the Herald noted.

Too bad there isn't a Cuban Civil Liberties Union to harass the left's idol.

Of course, Castro actually has 11.3 million prisoners. Just ask anyone who tries to escape.


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/...22/110354.shtml (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/22/110354.shtml)

I like to say thanks to JT123 for finding this information.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

pro-castro UN??? what teh fuck are you talking about!!??

Cuba&#39;s government acts in function of its people, and it does a good job of protecting the people&#39;s government, unlike the US, where everyone is allowed to violate the peoples&#39; rights with hare crimes and such. (as long as these hate groups express hatred towards the right groups) <_<

[sliverchrist]

how to respond to this, without sounding to zealous to be taken seriously.

i doubt that most people who say anything about cuba really knows what they are talking about. for over fifty years all we&#39;ve been told about that has been the typical filth told by every government to make everyone else look bad? how can we be sure?

its the same about the US. i don&#39;t really believe mnost of what i read or see anymore, cause most of it is always so askew of truth.

so who do you trust then.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Now this is stupid.
Did you know you can leave Cuba if you live there?

Oh, and your murderer yankiland gives good treatment to all the scum your "American way of life" type of society created (serial murderers and rapists to give some examples)

By the way, that article compares yanquis inmate against cuban inmates, and claims that it is "World&#39;s Leading Jailer", so we can assume that yanquis, who dominate the world and take part in every single war in the last century, are the 2nd world leading jailer, and only a small, poor, and hated country with such idiots opposing it, without many ways to defend itself, has more inmates. You are ridiculous.


Even the pro-Castro U.N.
Pro-Castro UN???? Ahahahaha, please...

I checked the site where you took those news, and it seems like another white thrash yanqui site. Dear yanquis, we dont like you in the rest of the world, only opportunist politicians and brainwashed richie boys support you, so you better stop your patriotism and your ugly "American way of life", and your "liberty and democracy", and your McCombos, and your ugly flags, because some day the world will rise up against you.

[IHP]

Really?

http://www.rense.com/general40/jaill.htm

http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/punishing/punishing.html

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps/world...es(manual).html (http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps/worldbrief/highest_rates(manual).html)

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/nation_worl...2189806,00.html (http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/nation_world_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2420_2189806,00.html)

What else do you need mate?

That site is garbage. Even the editors note is plugging ad hominem Ann Coulters book. Yes, sure it&#39;s an unbiased source. Try again.

[Hampton]

The US has 2 million people in prison, the population of Cuba seen here:

http://www1.sru.edu/gge/faculty/hughes/201/Caribbean/images/cuba01.gif

You say 11.3 million prisoners? Impossible. That&#39;s like 99% of the population.

[IHP]

I&#39;d say he&#39;s using &#39;wit&#39; to try and convey an opinion that those that live in Cuba are actually prisoners.

[Hampton]

That&#39;s what I figured, I just guessed no one would be dumb enough to say it.

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 05:21 AM
Really?

http://www.rense.com/general40/jaill.htm

http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/punishing/punishing.html

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps/world...es(manual).html (http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps/worldbrief/highest_rates(manual).html)

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/nation_worl...2189806,00.html (http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/nation_world_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2420_2189806,00.html)

What else do you need mate?

That site is garbage. Even the editors note is plugging ad hominem Ann Coulters book. Yes, sure it&#39;s an unbiased source. Try again.
Why do you use Rense as a source? God believes there is a Corprate conspercay that Chip Makers and Coke Makers are working to gethere to make your drink and eat more. You eat Chips with high salt. You start getting thristy and drink. You starting hungry. Then the whole thing goes into a circles. Why do you listen to rense?

A better site:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com

[Vinny Rafarino]

Face it kid, we are old hat to dealing with the fantastic "theories" put forth by the right wing. I&#39;m still laughing at the fact you actually thanked some kid for providing you with that nonsense.


By the way, what the fuck does "Corprate conspercay" mean anyway?

[Eastside Revolt]

Babylon lovin&#39; crusader,

If you&#39;re trying to point-out a flaw in "communism", just remember that California alone has more prisoners than China.

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Numbers dont lie. Also we dont mistreat our prisoners like your idol does&#33;

[Eastside Revolt]

Leaving your prisoners to form gangs amongst eachother, somehow isn&#39;t mistreating eh?

[BuyOurEverything]

Also we dont mistreat our prisoners

No, of course not

[Iron Star]

The number of Castro lovers at this site is sickening. He is as much an enemy of the proletariat as George W. Bush. The man cares neither for the Cuban people nor for the ideas of socialism. If Castro were at all interested in the well being of Cuban&#39;s he would cease attempting to impose socialism from above and recognise that we are dealing with an ideology demanded from below&#33;

Until we see in Cuba a dictatorship OF the proletariat rather than a dictatorship OVER the proletariat, Castro can enjoy his place among the fascists in my history book.

Murder, repression of homosexuals, censorship of the press and travel restrictions are not ideas inherent in socialism.


Did you know you can leave Cuba if you live there?

No you can&#39;t. This is why we see people risking execution and the deadly seas attempting to flee Castro&#39;s fascist state.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Let&#39;s look at the tape,


The USA has 2,019,234 million people in the prison system (source, US Justice department) as of last April.

On a population of 294 million that leaves a percentage of .68%


REAL Numbers from Cuba estimate the number of people in prison to be 60,000. Cubanet.org places the numbers as high as 70K. We will use the higher number just to piss this twat off.

With a poplulation of 11.3 million that leaves a percentage of .61%

Sorry kid you&#39;re outa luck.


EDIT:

Iron Star,


Get bent.

[Iron Star]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 23 2003, 09:01 AM
EDIT:

Iron Star,

Get bent.
Precisely the kind of shallow post I&#39;d expect from a dogmatic fool like you RAF.

If you don&#39;t have anything intelligent to say don&#39;t say anything at all. I recognise that this will mean your post count will drop to one a week, but still...it&#39;ll keep me happy.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I reckon you did not read the top of that post then son. You got a lot of nerve&#33; Why I oughtta...POW to da moon Norton&#33;


Does this mean the date for the social next week is off? Fuck me, we had matching threads and everything jack.

[sc4r]

Originally posted by Iron Star+Sep 23 2003, 09:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Iron Star @ Sep 23 2003, 09:46 AM)
COMRADE [email protected] 23 2003, 09:01 AM
EDIT:

Iron Star,

Get bent.
Precisely the kind of shallow post I&#39;d expect from a dogmatic fool like you RAF.

If you don&#39;t have anything intelligent to say don&#39;t say anything at all. I recognise that this will mean your post count will drop to one a week, but still...it&#39;ll keep me happy. [/b]
Shallow?

He just proved absolutely that the orginal claim was flat wrong. He didnt use his own numbers to do this, he didn&#39;t need to justify anything or delve into why the two might not be equivalent. All he did was say &#39;Hey man A>B ; not B>A as you said&#39;.

AS an example of an incontrivertable dismissal of the orginal claim it would be hard to improve upon.

It was not shallow. It was sharp and decisive.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Thank you comrade Scar.

[Sabocat]

Cuba has "an estimated 100,000 or so inmates in about 200 prisons and labor camps spread around an island slightly smaller than Pennsylvania," including about 300 political prisoners, the Miami Herald reported today.


LOL...now that&#39;s just funny. The Miami Herald. They wouldn&#39;t be pandering to the filth Cuban exile community would they? That piece would be more believable if it came out of the National Enquirer...right next to the Bat Boy article. :lol: :lol:

Don&#39;t forget that at last count, the U&#036; had something along the lines of 10,000 prisoners in Guantanamo. They get luxurious accomodations though...the U&#036; soldiers are keeping them in metal containers. No trial, no charges....

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/usa08022002.html

[canikickit]

Do you think they included Guantanamo Bay in their study?

[Vinny Rafarino]

right next to the Bat Boy article


No kidding. How many fucking Bat-boys living in caves are there anyhow? They seem to find a new one every year. I swear, I&#39;ve been seeing that article pop up for 15 or so years.


Fucking bat boys must be the "missing link."

[Sabocat]

I hear they&#39;re commie though.

[Vinny Rafarino]

They must be commies. They live in caves&#33;


You reckon they share bat-boy Under-roos as well?

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 05:36 PM

Cuba has "an estimated 100,000 or so inmates in about 200 prisons and labor camps spread around an island slightly smaller than Pennsylvania," including about 300 political prisoners, the Miami Herald reported today.


LOL...now that&#39;s just funny. The Miami Herald. They wouldn&#39;t be pandering to the filth Cuban exile community would they? That piece would be more believable if it came out of the National Enquirer...right next to the Bat Boy article. :lol: :lol:

Don&#39;t forget that at last count, the U&#036; had something along the lines of 10,000 prisoners in Guantanamo. They get luxurious accomodations though...the U&#036; soldiers are keeping them in metal containers. No trial, no charges....

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/usa08022002.html
Camp X-Ray seems a nice place to live than being a Prisoner in Afganistan.

Cell

The prisoners are being detained in temporary open-sided wire cells until a permanent facility has been constructed.
Sized 1.8m by 2.4m, these have been described as &#39;kennels&#39; and &#39;cages&#39; by critics and dubbed &#39;a scandal&#39; by a Human Rights Watch spokesman.

The prisoners are not shackled when they are inside their cells. But when they are moved around the camp, for showers or exercise, they are restrained at a &#39;level appropriate for the person&#39; - which may include hand and leg shackles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/furniture/in_depth/americas/2002/inside_camp_xray/cell.gif

INMATE POPULATION: About 500

Kit

Each prisoner has been given:
US army standard-issue 2cm-thick foam sleeping mat
One blanket
Two buckets (one for water, one for waste)
A one quart flask
Two orange boiler suits
A pair of flip-flops
Two bath towels (one for washing, one for use as a prayer mat)
A washcloth
Toothpaste
Soap
Shampoo
A copy of the Koran

Meals:
Prisoners are served three meals a day, all of which are "culturally appropriate":

Breakfast - typically bread, cream cheese, an orange, a pastry, a roll, a bottle of water

Lunch - typically a box of cereal, two cereal bars, a packet of peanuts, one packet of crisps, one packet of raisins, a bottle of water

Evening meal - typically white rice, red beans, a banana, bread, a bottle of water

Other:

Breakfast followed by &#39;shower opportunity and personal time&#39;

Doctor visits to address any medical issues

Lunch

Exercise period

Mail call - pens and paper are provided, letters may be written under supervision, pens are collected afterwards

Evening Meal

Soruce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in...ray/default.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2002/inside_camp_xray/default.stm)

[Vinny Rafarino]

The best part of this useless post,


Prisoners are served three meals a day, all of which are "culturally appropriate":

Breakfast - typically bread, cream cheese, an orange, a pastry, a roll, a bottle of water

Lunch - typically a box of cereal, two cereal bars, a packet of peanuts, one packet of crisps, one packet of raisins, a bottle of water

Evening meal - typically white rice, red beans, a banana, bread, a bottle of water


Two buckets (one for water, one for waste)

Fucking sign me up now&#33;

[Dirty Commie]

Babylon 5, why don&#39;t you live in a cage like that for 23 hours a day.

Second, who here has been to Cuba and spoken to Cubans about what life is like?

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 23 2003, 09:45 PM
Babylon 5, why don&#39;t you live in a cage like that for 23 hours a day.

Hmm if I was an al Queda prisoner in Afganistian.

2 Options:

1. Get Captured by the Northern Alliance:
- One meal a day
- Shalkeled to the wall
- No mail
- Some times no water
- Packed in a small jail with 100s of other imates
- No medical care

or

2. Go to Camp X-ray.

*Use list shown above*


Camp X-Ray Please&#33;
http://cagle.slate.msn.com//news/guantanamo/Guantanamo/reddick.gif

Just for this thread:
http://cagle.slate.msn.com//news/guantanamo/Guantanamo/keefe.jpg

[Invader Zim]

Or just maybe they arent al-queda at all and are Taliban POW&#39;s, which means that the US is violating the geneva convention, as when the war is over they are to be returned to their country. Also what happened to not taking pics of POW&#39;s?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1785000/images/_1787511_guantanamo300ap.jpg

Also legaly not a single person in that camp is guilty of any crime... Or does America no-longer afford prisoners the right to a free and fair trial... and I though people were inocent until proven guilty.

So much for the lamd of freedom and liberty.

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 10:11 PM
Or just maybe they arent al-queda at all and are Taliban POW&#39;s, which means that the US is violating the geneva convention, as when the war is over they are to be returned to their country. Also what happened to not taking pics of POW&#39;s?
.
Wrong the Taliban were not a offical rulers of Afganistan and they were consider as terrorists. So techicaly they are not covered under the Geniva Convetion.

http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/leftersonsimages/2003/cuba1.jpg

[Vinny Rafarino]

They put the mint right next to the bucket filled with feces and urine. Gotta love a kid who thinks he can "show the red devils up" by making political statements in the forms of cartoons.

Can we have Ghost wanker back?

[elijahcraig]

This whole thread is just one long droning refutation.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Originally posted by Babylon5 Crusade+Sep 23 2003, 09:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Babylon5 Crusade @ Sep 23 2003, 09:40 PM)
[email protected] 23 2003, 10:11 PM
Or just maybe they arent al-queda at all and are Taliban POW&#39;s, which means that the US is violating the geneva convention, as when the war is over they are to be returned to their country. Also what happened to not taking pics of POW&#39;s?
.
Wrong the Taliban were not a offical rulers of Afganistan and they were consider as terrorists. So techicaly they are not covered under the Geniva Convetion.

http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/leftersonsimages/2003/cuba1.jpg [/b]
How was the Taliban not the official rulers of Afgunistan?????? If you had a true democractic election do not think that anything would be differant than in the past for Afrgunistan; even if there was true democracy there now it would be the same as in the past, except they might be less kind to Al Queda as they would be weary of US imperialism. The current ruler, might be a liberal, but he was and is a member of the vast minority. They had a "democracy" suited to their spesific cultureral climate and riligeon, do we call the American democracy into question because practicly to be a candidate for any appointment of any substance you have to be a millionaire of have millionaires baking you. I think Americans have to learn the meaning of soverignty, and if you want to banish such a concept which I on principal dont agree with, should at least do so consistanlty, namely through the creation of impartial international institutions- which it will never do since it is as bad as its "evil combatants on its fight for good to prevail in this world".

There was no major oppistion to Taliban rule in Afgunistan, the majority of the people supported it, or it simply wouldnt work in such a relativley small poor country. -do not assume you know what is good and best for a people.

Conceited American scum.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 23 2003, 10:40 PM
Wrong the Taliban were not a offical rulers of Afganistan and they were consider as terrorists. So techicaly they are not covered under the Geniva Convetion.
So that makes it acceptable to treat them like animals?

[IHP]

I love it, babylon5 couldn&#39;t refute my statistics, so he tries to attack one of my four sources. Give up, you lose.

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Originally posted by CubanFox+Sep 24 2003, 04:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CubanFox @ Sep 24 2003, 04:11 AM)
Babylon5 [email protected] 23 2003, 10:40 PM
Wrong the Taliban were not a offical rulers of Afganistan and they were consider as terrorists. So techicaly they are not covered under the Geniva Convetion.
So that makes it acceptable to treat them like animals? [/b]
Also note&#33; That the Taliban military dont have uniforms in which identified them as military of a nation. Most of the al Queda and Taliban wore Civilian clothing. Which does not idenify as an offical military. Since their not a offical military their not under the Genevia Convention.

[truthaddict11]

interesting on how since the Reaganite years (the past 23+ years) the US prison population has increased 400%.

got to love that american prision system.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Let&#39;s hear it babble-on 5 (cheers to V.C.).


I believe you have 3 other links provided by comrade IHP to refute. You have also ignored my post directly refuting your original argument with MATH. Perhaps you would like to explain why MATH shows that .61 percent of the Cuban population is in prison verses .68 percent in the USA? Or perhaps you merely want to post another "witty" cartoon? What&#39;s it gonna be tough-guy?



Also note&#33; That the Taliban military dont have uniforms in which identified them as military of a nation. Most of the al Queda and Taliban wore Civilian clothing. Which does not idenify as an offical military. Since their not a offical military their not under the Genevia Convention.


So, you say that dubya is allowed to violate the Geneva convention but the Taliban is not eh? How very white of you.

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 25 2003, 01:47 AM

So, you say that dubya is allowed to violate the Geneva convention but the Taliban is not eh? How very white of you.
The US is not violating the Genevia Convention. You have no proof were violating.



Article 4

A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; Which the Taliban and al-Queda does not have.

&copy; That of carrying arms openly; Which the Taliban and al-Queda does not do.

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

4. Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.

5. Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.

6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

B. The following shall likewise be treated as prisoners of war under the present Convention:

1. Persons belonging, or having belonged, to the armed forces of the occupied country, if the occupying Power considers it necessary by reason of such allegiance to intern them, even though it has originally liberated them while hostilities were going on outside the territory it occupies, in particular where such persons have made an unsuccessful attempt to rejoin the armed forces to which they belong and which are engaged in combat, or where they fail to comply with a summons made to them with a view to internment.

2. The persons belonging to one of the categories enumerated in the present Article, who have been received by neutral or non-belligerent Powers on their territory and whom these Powers are required to intern under international law, without prejudice to any more favourable treatment which these Powers may choose to give and with the exception of Articles 8, 10, 15, 30, fifth paragraph, 58-67, 92, 126 and, where diplomatic relations exist between the Parties to the conflict and the neutral or non-belligerent Power concerned, those Articles concerning the Protecting Power. Where such diplomatic relations exist, the Parties to a conflict on whom these persons depend shall be allowed to perform towards them the functions of a Protecting Power as provided in the present Convention, without prejudice to the functions which these Parties normally exercise in conformity with diplomatic and consular usage and treaties.

C. This Article shall in no way affect the status of medical personnel and chaplains as provided for in Article 33 of the present Convention.

[IHP]

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