Life is depressing sometimes man.

[Broletariat]

It's like, it doesn't matter how old you are, cars can still run over the people you love. There's no special exceptions for anyone, you can die at anytime and it's kind of like ._.

When's science gunna make with the immortality pills.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Are you sad about something in particular or in a generally depressed mood?

[Broletariat]

Are you sad about something in particular or in a generally depressed mood?

Actually I'm not even depressed right now, I was earlier though and wanted to share but couldn't so I made some mental notes and posted them now.

But it was just a generally depressed mood, whenever I watch movies I get ridiculously emotional and stuff.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Yea, me too. I was crying like crazy while watching Precious.

[Manic Impressive]

I got a bit depressed the other week when I was watching this thing on telly about the universe and the geezer was saying that one day every star in the universe would burn out and their would be nothing in the entire universe except endless space. That kinda made me sad plus if that happened immortality would seriously suck.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

It's like, it doesn't matter how old you are, cars can still run over the people you love.
I was hit by a car while on my bike years ago. It sucks, but now I always have an ice-breaker for conversation :lol:

When's science gunna make with the immortality pills."I really don't think there's an issue here; humans die, so that's a flawed system. Robots live on forever. Praise to the wise ones, our robot masters."

[black magick hustla]

the world is a shithole but sometimes we gotta embrace the feces. we were born from the feces and we will die like feces. dancing sewer rats and shit

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

"Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar

[Broletariat]

Well gee thanks guys.

Way to make it worse.

BUT I JUST BAKED COOKIES

So it's all good.

[Communist Theory]

Depression leads to anarchy.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I got hit by a car once while I was crossing at a cross-walk. Lady got out and asked me if I was alright. I responded by yelling at her "DOES IT LOOK LIKE I'M FUCKING ALRIGHT ARGGHHH!!"

Then she cried and drove off like she was the one who was hurting :mad:.

Baking cookies is fun, but baking one cookie that looks like a giant penis is even funner :thumbup1:

[synthesis]

It's like, it doesn't matter how old you are, cars can still run over the people you love. There's no special exceptions for anyone, you can die at anytime and it's kind of like ._.

When's science gunna make with the immortality pills.

Depression is an important aspect of human psychology - it's our subconscious telling us that we need to make changes in our life. If you found out you were going to die tomorrow, would you be satisfied with how your life turned out? I think this question is essentially the basis of depression.

[Rusty Shackleford]

The meaning of life and the point of all human existence

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[Bright Banana Beard]

42 is the answer to all life, dude.

THINK ABOUT IT.

[Broletariat]

Depression is an important aspect of human psychology - it's our subconscious telling us that we need to make changes in our life. If you found out you were going to die tomorrow, would you be satisfied with how your life turned out? I think this question is essentially the basis of depression.

If I found out I was going to die tomorrow I'd be fucking pissed because I'm 18 and there's still a bunch of shit I'd like to do.

So no I wouldn't be satisfied with it at all, and I think it's unreasonable to think there's something wrong if I wasn't satisfied.

How could I be satisfied as a worker under Capitalism?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Funny thing, I was listening to this song when I clicked on this thread:

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My view: There's a lot about life that sucks, but I think the worst thing one can do is allow oneself to be overwhelmed by it, to allow the shittier aspects of existence to dominate one's mental landscape. That way lies madness. Not the liberating madness of being unfettered by traditional morality and social rules, but the torturous insanity of those who inflict mental and physical pain on themselves like some stressed animal in a cage.

Personally, I find the fact that life and existence have no intrinsic meaning to be one of the most stabilising and grounding influences in my thinking - for if there is no Grand Plan ordained by some Higher Authority, then we are free to make our own plans and establish and/or dissolve our own vested authorities as we see fit.

Besides, nihilists are fucking arseholes.

[black magick hustla]

Besides, nihilists are fucking arseholes.
heeeeeeeey take that back

[El Rojo]

tell me about it man. i gotta a giant work load sitting in from of me, every time I start it, it seems even harder. it is, as someone said, a war of attrition, and I am advancing sentance at a time, whilst the weather outside is beautiful for the first time in ages

[bcbm]

My view: There's a lot about life that sucks, but I think the worst thing one can do is allow oneself to be overwhelmed by it, to allow the shittier aspects of existence to dominate one's mental landscape. That way lies madness. Not the liberating madness of being unfettered by traditional morality and social rules, but the torturous insanity of those who inflict mental and physical pain on themselves like some stressed animal in a cage.

i think it is hard not to feel overwhelmed and inflict mental and physical pain on ourselves and each other. we are stressed animals in cages. the world we have created is insane.


Besides, nihilists are fucking arseholes.

for sure

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

i think it is hard not to feel overwhelmed and inflict mental and physical pain on ourselves and each other. we are stressed animals in cages. the world we have created is insane.

Difference is, humans are smart. Smart enough to realise that sinking into a pit of despair or engaging in fits of mental and physical self-mutilation are not only ineffective, but actually counter-productive, establishing a vicious cycle of "the world is shitty!" - *pain* - "the world is shitty!" - *pain* - "the world is shitty!". I personally learned to break that cycle.

We're also smart enough to do something about the shitty aspects of the world. It is thanks to human effort that feudalism is but a memory with a few relics in large parts of the world, remember.

[Broletariat]

Difference is, humans are smart. Smart enough to realise that sinking into a pit of despair or engaging in fits of mental and physical self-mutilation are not only ineffective, but actually counter-productive, establishing a vicious cycle of "the world is shitty!" - *pain* - "the world is shitty!" - *pain* - "the world is shitty!". I personally learned to break that cycle.

We're also smart enough to do something about the shitty aspects of the world. It is thanks to human effort that feudalism is but a memory with a few relics in large parts of the world, remember.

Aren't you the scientist man, stop talking about problems and get back to making that immortality pill man.

[Robespierre Richard]

man

[Broletariat]

man
I tell you man.

[bcbm]

Difference is, humans are smart. Smart enough to realise that sinking into a pit of despair or engaging in fits of mental and physical self-mutilation are not only ineffective, but actually counter-productive, establishing a vicious cycle of "the world is shitty!" - *pain* - "the world is shitty!" - *pain* - "the world is shitty!". I personally learned to break that cycle.

good for you, i don't think it is quite that simple for everyone


We're also smart enough to do something about the shitty aspects of the world. It is thanks to human effort that feudalism is but a memory with a few relics in large parts of the world, remember. what a picnic that was, and we've created such a wonderful world in its place

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Aren't you the scientist man, stop talking about problems and get back to making that immortality pill man.

I can assure you that people much more knowledgeable and better trained (not to mention better equipped, with proper labs and stuff) than I am are working on the matter as we speak. Many heads are better than one.


good for you, i don't think it is quite that simple for everyone

Most people seem to be able to go through life without slitting their wrists or becoming quivering pscyhological wrecks, rocking quietly in the corner.


what a picnic that was, and we've created such a wonderful world in its place

Capitalism's far from perfect, but it sure as shit beats feudalism. If it's a perfect world you want then you will be waiting for the rest of your natural life.

[Summerspeaker]

I was hit by a car while on my bike years ago. It sucks, but now I always have an ice-breaker for conversation

Same here, though I doubt the story ever actually helps. Because I lacked social status to begin with, being broken didn't even inspire sympathy and comfort from folks I know. This culture has nothing but contempt for the less able.

As for immortality to ward off the possibility of disaster, that's simply a pipe dream. Indefinite lifespans and safe environments, sure. But the future will remain uncertain by its very nature.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Depression is an important aspect of human psychology - it's our subconscious telling us that we need to make changes in our life. If you found out you were going to die tomorrow, would you be satisfied with how your life turned out? I think this question is essentially the basis of depression.

There are some things in life that you can't change, though.

I guess you're supposed to not worry about such things, since there's nothing you can do about them, but people still do.

[Ele'ill]

Most people seem to be able to go through life without slitting their wrists or becoming quivering pscyhological wrecks, rocking quietly in the corner.

No, I think a lot of people are pretty fucked up and have their issues manifest in a different way.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Also, I think that clinical depression is a bit different than just thinking that life sucks sometimes. I live with someone (one of my parents) who has serious depression...it's not fun.

[Robespierre Richard]

So OP are you gonna talk to your therapist about this or do you just want to bring us down too?

[Broletariat]

As for immortality to ward off the possibility of disaster, that's simply a pipe dream. Indefinite lifespans and safe environments, sure. But the future will remain uncertain by its very nature.

Yea, I just don't want to die man, or anyone else. I don't mind an uncertain future, but a bit more security that I'll actually get to see that future is nice.


Also, I think that clinical depression is a bit different than just thinking that life sucks sometimes. I live with someone (one of my parents) who has serious depression...it's not fun.

Oh definitely, I should apologise for using the word "depress" in its various forms as I'm not clinically depressed or anything, just randomly bummed that one day.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

No, I think a lot of people are pretty fucked up and have their issues manifest in a different way.

"A lot of people are pretty fucked up" - and these are the same people you think are capable of building a new kind of society? In which case we're either doomed from the start, or people aren't as fucked up as you imagine.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Depression is an important aspect of human psychology - it's our subconscious telling us that we need to make changes in our life. If you found out you were going to die tomorrow, would you be satisfied with how your life turned out? I think this question is essentially the basis of depression.

Major depression is a mood disorder that can be caused by fixation on a negative event(s), impaired or illogical cognitions, or biological factors. It takes a considerable toll on the person's life. People with depression are less likely to participate in activities or improve their situation as they tend to have a generalized overwhelming feeling of hopelessness. Further, they are at higher risk for substance abuse and suicide.

[Vendetta]

@the thread title

thats why man invented beer

and god made weed ;)

[synthesis]

Major depression is a mood disorder that can be caused by fixation on a negative event(s), impaired or illogical cognitions, or biological factors. It takes a considerable toll on the person's life. People with depression are less likely to participate in activities or improve their situation as they tend to have a generalized overwhelming feeling of hopelessness. Further, they are at higher risk for substance abuse and suicide.

Well, many products of human evolution can be problematic in our everyday lives. I just find that it helps to consider why we would have evolved the ability to be depressed in the first place. Of course, this could be completely wrong, but my impression is that depression causes us to reevaluate our lives and improve ourselves for the sake of our seed.

[bcbm]

Most people seem to be able to go through life without slitting their wrists or becoming quivering pscyhological wrecks, rocking quietly in the corner.

right, because this is the only way that depression and anxiety manifest themselves nevermind that the number of people on anti-depressants in the us has doubled in the past five years, or who knows how many that cope through drinking or drugs or binge eating or racking up credit card debt i guess they are all too dumb to just get over it like you


Capitalism's far from perfect, but it sure as shit beats feudalism.

they are both failures and have brought untold misery to humanity for the benefit of a few.


If it's a perfect world you want then you will be waiting for the rest of your natural life.

what the fuck are you talking about?


"A lot of people are pretty fucked up" - and these are the same people you think are capable of building a new kind of society? In which case we're either doomed from the start, or people aren't as fucked up as you imagine.

people need to be not fucked up to build a new kind of society? i don't see how that follows at all.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

right, because this is the only way that depression and anxiety manifest themselves nevermind that the number of people on anti-depressants in the us has doubled in the past five years, or who knows how many that cope through drinking or drugs or binge eating or racking up credit card debt i guess they are all too dumb to just get over it like you

You're fucking dumb. I never once mentioned intelligence, so fuck you and the strawman you rode in on. Depression and anxiety are most certainly problematic, but would you be rather be living in 14th century Europe, with its abysmal level of medical science and basic sanitation and the outbreaks of typhus, cholera, and bubonic plague resulting from that? I never said that overcoming depression, diagnosed or otherwise, would be easy, or that that there aren't things that can be done in wider society.

After all, it wasn't a personal improvement of hygiene that that resulted in modern cities that aren't disease-ridden cesspits with open sewers in the streets.


they are both failures and have brought untold misery to humanity for the benefit of a few.

So what makes you think we'll do any better next time?


what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm saying that whatever comes after capitalism will have problems of its own, quite likely very serious ones.


people need to be not fucked up to build a new kind of society? i don't see how that follows at all.

You said it yourself, we've already had at least two enormous failures. Two fuckups in a row doesn't bode well for a third try, does it?

[bcbm]

You're fucking dumb. I never once mentioned intelligence, so fuck you and the strawman you rode in on.


Difference is, humans are smart. Smart enough to realise


Depression and anxiety are most certainly problematic, but would you be rather be living in 14th century Europe, with its abysmal level of medical science and basic sanitation and the outbreaks of typhus, cholera, and bubonic plague resulting from that?

what does that have to do with anything?


I never said that overcoming depression, diagnosed or otherwise, would be easy, or that that there aren't things that can be done in wider society.

After all, it wasn't a personal improvement of hygiene that that resulted in modern cities that aren't disease-ridden cesspits with open sewers in the streets.

a page ago you were saying that we're smart enough to realize getting into a cycle of bummers isn't helpful, and i am saying it is not that easy. obviously this is a structural thing, that is kind of what i've been getting at it isnt a matter of just realizing its not healthy, its complex.


So what makes you think we'll do any better next time?

You said it yourself, we've already had at least two enormous failures. Two fuckups in a row doesn't bode well for a third try, does it?
i thought nihilists were arseholes;)


I'm saying that whatever comes after capitalism will have problems of its own, quite likely very serious ones.

no doubt

[Ele'ill]

"A lot of people are pretty fucked up" - and these are the same people you think are capable of building a new kind of society? In which case we're either doomed from the start, or people aren't as fucked up as you imagine.

Yeah, I think they can contribute from their varying levels of fucked-up-ness to build a working society. Those not touched by societal problems exclusively setting up the new world would be a bit inexperienced in the field.

[Broletariat]

This thread became depressing :/

[bcbm]

w/e party while you can

[black magick hustla]

"A lot of people are pretty fucked up" - and these are the same people you think are capable of building a new kind of society? In which case we're either doomed from the start, or people aren't as fucked up as you imagine.
we wanmt to destroy the hell that made us fucked up

[Ravachol]

Intellectual despair results in neither weakness nor dreams, but in violence. It is only a matter of knowing how to give vent to one's rage; whether one only wants to wander like madmen around prisons, or whether one wants to overturn them.




In the midst of the virgin light of this unique dawn, the sorrow of the diver that is in us must be united to the anguish of the eagle that also lives in us, to celebrate the tragic and fruitful marriage of perpetual renewal.

The renewal of the personal “I” among the collective tempests and social hurricanes.

Because perennial solitude is only for saints who recognize in god their witness. But we are the atheist offspring of solitude.

We are the solitary demons without witness.

In the bottom, we want to live the reality of sorrow; in the heights, the sorrow of the dream...

In order to live all the battles, all the defeats, all the victories, all the dreams, all the sorrows and all the hopes intensely and dangerously.

And we want to sing in the sun; we want to howl in the winds!

(..)

Because we — violent celebralists and passional sentimentalists at the same time — understand and know that revolution is a necessity of the silent sorrow that suffers at the bottom and a need of the free spirits who suffer in the heights.


That will be all!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

It should be obvious that I was talking about humans collectively, not castigating individuals over their intelligence or lack thereof.


what does that have to do with anything?

It's pretty hard to suffer from depression or cancer when you're already dying of cholera. The way capitalist society has developed has enabled more people to live long enough for such factors to come into play.


a page ago you were saying that we're smart enough to realize getting into a cycle of bummers isn't helpful, and i am saying it is not that easy. obviously this is a structural thing, that is kind of what i've been getting at it isnt a matter of just realizing its not healthy, its complex.

I don't recall ever saying that one couldn't use external resources to lift oneself out of the pit. It is not weakness to admit that a problem is too big to handle without help.


i thought nihilists were arseholes ;)

:rolleyes: Personally I think we are up to the task of creating a better society, because capitalism is genuinely better than feudalism. But you seemed to be dismissing the historical development of capitalism as just another fuckup in a presumably long line of fuckups. In which case, whence any improvement?