BNP candidate burns Quran

[Red Future]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/09/bnp-candidate-arrested-quran-burning

bigoted Nazi idiot :mad:

[El Chuncho]

Yep. He is as stupid as all his ilk, including that ''pastor'' that tried to do the same thing recently. They (rightfully) wouldn't like it if I urinated on the Bible, so I do not see why people have to stand for them burning the Quran.

They will just cause more problems, more ''race'' warfare...

[Rjevan]

"Hurr, look at me burning the Qur'an in my garden!" - Wow, what a tough guy and so innovative! Next we'll see vids of him muttering racist slurs in his closet. :rolleyes:
Fine display of nazi moronism.

[RedSonRising]

Fucked up.

[IndependentCitizen]

Bet he'd break down and cry if I burnt a copy of mein kampf

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Send him to Russia.

In Russia, Quran burn you!

Has anyone seen a similar video made by teh National Front? 5 or 6 masked NF thugs in a garden burning an EDL flag because they're sell outs to White Supremacism or something. Pretty pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seYqxNS-FlI&feature=player_embedded

That's teh link.

[IndependentCitizen]

Send him to Russia.

In Russia, Quran burn you!

Has anyone seen a similar video made by teh National Front? 5 or 6 masked NF thugs in a garden burning an EDL flag because they're sell outs to White Supremacism or something. Pretty pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seYqxNS-FlI&feature=player_embedded

That's teh link.

I wanna make a flag-burning video now, but of something ridiculous, but which would piss off both groups...

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Burn the Union Jack on April 29th?:laugh:

[Leonid Brozhnev]

Trying to provoke a violent reaction from the Muslim community by attacking something that is close to their hearts is pathetic. These are the same people who'll cry over poppies or flags being burned, their foaming mouth nationalism is just as vulnerable to attack as somebody elses religion.

[dernier combat]

In Russia, Quran burn you!
Burning the BNP candidate? I'm ok with this.

[Dimmu]

How fking stupid can you be? What does burning a book achieve?

[dernier combat]

How fking stupid can you be? What does burning a book achieve?
It achieves the image that BNP members and supporters want (in order to gain votes and general support in the current political climate); one that is "tough on Islamic extremism" or some other inane shit like that.

[Cencus]

Just another fuckwitted idiot biggotted attention seeker. Probably the highlight of his life getting a mention in the Guardian.

[Red_Xan]

Even if this act wasn't outrageous, it provokes responses from the Islamic community that justifies (to the BNP and other idiots, at least) the wild claim that the muslims are supposedly taking over the United Kingdom.

[Wash Me]

I'm muslim and his actions do not offend me.
but his ignorance does.
poor fella:crying:

[GallowsBird]

What do you expect? He's in the BNP and thus should be purged from society.

[Luís Henrique]

How fking stupid can you be? What does burning a book achieve?

Seems obvious, and not at all unintelligent from their point of view.

It seeks to elicit an angry reaction from Muslisms, some thing that might in turn reinforce the general populace's prejudices against them, which is what nurtures his organisation.

Luís Henrique

[Sasha]

although a bunch of dead UK soldiers with the brass putting some serious blame on the BNP cant be good for them.

[El Chuncho]

The BNP are not really the most intelligent and talented of people:

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:scared:

[GallowsBird]

The BNP are not really the most intelligent and talented of people:


:scared:

That's hilarious! Also the guy singing it looks a bit gormless. I think I saw him going to a pro-Racism rally once!

[Luís Henrique]

although a bunch of dead UK soldiers with the brass putting some serious blame on the BNP cant be good for them.

Well, you can't actually make politics without incurring in some risks. This is valid to the far right as much as it is to the left or the centre.

Luís Henrique

[Sean]

Deliberately done after the US religious nutter got lambasted for causing deaths. Nice that their politicos are more into shit stirring than reform I guess?

[caramelpence]

What's probably equally disgusting is that the person concerned has been arrested. Stupid and bigoted they may be to burn the Koran, but it's dangerous for the state to be able to prosecute people for acts that they've committed in their own homes (in this case in his back garden) without any possibility of immanent danger. It is of course also the bourgeois state that imprisons asylum seekers and uses immigration controls, not rather irrelevant organizations like the BNP and EDL.

[PhoenixAsh]

Ok....so...everybody is focussing on the Quaran burning. Guy is an idiot, biggot and racist.


but did everybody miss this part:


Owens was arrested within hours of police receiving the video. A second person, believed to have filmed the Qur'an burning, is also in police custody.
So what? The act was offensive you might say. Yes it was.
Who cares? The guy is a racist idiot, a fascist scum. Yes he is.


The motivation behind it can not be defended.


But getting arrested for it?

The finer point here is twofold:

1). The law now ascribes higher power to a religious book. Anybody burning that specific book is now allegeable for arrest. You bought the book or acquired it...it is now your property and you can do with it what you want does not apply anymore.

No matter what your motivation...you are being arrested because of fear how others may react to your actions...

2). It singles out a specific book. Not just any book. If you burn the Bible...you do not get arrested. If you burn the Thora...you do not get arrested. If you burn TLOTR or Harry Potter...you do not get arrested. Yet you do get arrested for burning this specific book.

Again...not because of the holy status of the book. The Bible is just as holy. But because of fear of how others may react to your actions.


Both these points boil down simply to the fact that when it comes to Muslim community in the eyes of the establishment you simply can not treat them the same way or expect them to be treated the same way as other people and religions. Now...this is NOT my opinion. Its the implication of the actions of the police. Its the implication of the words of the politicians.

This is inherrently racist motivated implementation of the law. NOT because we want to protect Muslims the same way we want to protect others...but because of the fear we have of how they react.

Before you get outraged...read on...because the arguments clearly show this:



The government absolutely condemns the burning of the Qur'an. It is fundamentally offensive to the values of our pluralist and tolerant society.

Well...we aren't really that tollerant now are we. Because all of the sudden burning a book is a criminal offence. NOT the motivation behind the burning of the Quaran. But the very act itself. Now...I can vaguely understand that argument with the movements against Islam becomming very, very popular (on of the reasons because the Islam is considered to be intolerant of criticism by the supporters of these groups).

But NOT in the light of the other statement they made:



"We equally condemn any attempts to create divisions between communities and are committed to ensuring that everyone has the freedom to live their lives free from fear of targeted hostility or harassment on the grounds of a particular characteristic, such as religion (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/religion)."But we allow a party as the BNP and EDL to function legally within the political framework? A party which in its very politics advocates the creation of devisions and who are actually working to target specific groups because of their group characteristics.

So this comes off as hypocritical and untrue.

We have now established that protecting the muslim community is NOT the real motivation...fear however is. And that is appaling.

Now...it also does something else. Something which many will differ of opinion with me....but is non the less true.

It also means that freedom of speech and expression which we uphold in the face of christianity, judaism and many other religions, political parties and other issues...is suspended when it comes to Islam.

We have double standards here.

We now use the law to not...protect Islam from persecution. But we apply it so that we do not have to worry about the outrage and the possible responses within and outside our countries.

It grants a privilege which inherrently surpasses the privileges by law we grant other religions. But it incidentally also completely glosses over the fact that apparantly we fear that groups of Muslims will not be tolerant to freedom of expression and speech. Instead we prevent the acts to gloss over the fact that sometimes...burning a book, drawing a cartoon is not accepted and will illicit violence. It in effects justifies the use of violence against free speech and expression...after all...free speech and expression are curbed because we fear violent reaction.

The case can and will be made that the burning of the book was not the issue. It was the motivation...the idea of inciting hatred....if that is the case...I will refer back to the argument I gave above. Why then do we allow parties and groups to function legally within society which clearly aim to do this?


Now...in some cases...yes...this whole line of reasoning is completely justified. BUT ITS A GODDAMN BOOK. I do not care if you worship the book. THAT is your problem. But you force me to accept your book needs to have special status...because you believe in it THAT is unjustifiable.


This eventually leads to a whole different problem....the law protecting religion as an institution.


Now...I completely reject any legal protection for any religion. Burning a Quaran may be considered offensive by some followers of Islam. But IMO the whole religion is offensive...not because it is Mulsim...but because it is religion and in its very essence condems and devides people. Nobody is protecting anybody from that....and since I fight against religion...I also reject any special treatment for religion.


Now...individuals...yes...they need protection. If they are targetted because of their religion tahts bad. But this specific act is not targetting induviduals...its targetting the religion itself.

when it comes to this guy...he is a fucking nutjob. He needs to be removed from society. But not because he burned a book....but because he is a fascist, racist biggot and his views can not be tolerated or allowed to participate in politics.


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Now...to make a disclaimer...because I understand this is a sensitive issue....and my words may easilly be misunderstood as a justification for the BNP, for acts against Muslims or racism and biggotry.

It is not.

Its the principle of the matter. Laws protecting religion as an institution should be banned. People should not get arrested for burning a book. And the whole justification given by the politicians is bullshit to te extreme and racist in its origins.
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[Luís Henrique]

What's probably equally disgusting is that the person concerned has been arrested.

Ah, so in fact they have attained (one of) their objective(s).

Luís Henrique

[El Chuncho]

That's hilarious! Also the guy singing it looks a bit gormless. I think I saw him going to a pro-Racism rally once!

Well, they are all muppets, right? ;)