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Bud Struggle
9th April 2011, 13:51
Here's an interesting article about the last time the Labour Party in Britain took a truly Leftist agenda. It seems it all went down in flames. Since then it appears that Labour has taken a more moderate approach and hasdone a lot better in elections. It's a good reason people like Obama here in the US take a more moderate tact in political discourse.

The document - “New Hope for Britain” - was certainly lengthy (700 pages) and was nearly as along as both the Liberal-SDP Alliance’s and Conservatives’ manifestos.


Compared to today's more cautious manifestos, Labour's 1983 version did not hold back - largely because of then-leader Michael Foot’s demand that it would comprise the resolutions arrived at the party’s last conference,

The document called for unilateral nuclear disarmament, the abolition of the House of Lords and the re-nationalisation of recently privatised industries like British Telecom, British Aerospace and the British Shipbuilding Corporation.


The manifesto called for the UK to withdraw from the European Economic Community and an end to council house sales.


It also committed the Labour government to five-year national plan and a new Department of Economic and Industrial Planning.


The ambitious scale of the manifesto backfired though, with the far left nature of many of the policies - combined with Margaret Thatcher’s popularity in the wake of the 1982 Falklands War - contributing to a Tory landslide.

Labour's 1983 manifesto marked the last time that Labour would dogmatically pursue a leftwing agenda when trying to win power.
In following election, the party gradually adopted a more market orientated set of policies, culminating in Labour’s 1997 general election landslide.






http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7362487/Michael-Foot-Labours-1983-general-election-manifesto-and-the-longest-suicide-in-history.html

Demogorgon
9th April 2011, 15:41
That's a pretty simplistic view of what happened. The manifesto was not as left wing as the 1974 ones-and they won those elections.

RGacky3
9th April 2011, 16:26
labor got big first in the 1920s and 1910s as a full on socialist and anti-capitalist party.

Keep in mind that the 1980s was also the beginning of the HUGE influence of finance capital in politics in both the US and the UK thanks to Regan and Thatcher.

Bud Struggle
9th April 2011, 16:33
labor got big first in the 1920s and 1910s as a full on socialist and anti-capitalist party.

Keep in mind that the 1980s was also the beginning of the HUGE influence of finance capital in politics in both the US and the UK thanks to Regan and Thatcher.

It was with them the West turned right. Seriously right.

RGacky3
10th April 2011, 17:48
It was with them that the AMerican and british governments were essencially handed over to the buisiness class and corporate powers, the people of those countries did'nt suddenly just change.

The Idler
10th April 2011, 18:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkK9cBbk1ZI&t=32m0s

Bud Struggle
10th April 2011, 19:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkK9cBbk1ZI&t=32m0s

3000 views. Not exactly the wave of the future. Good points made, though.

synthesis
11th April 2011, 12:03
It was with them that the AMerican and british governments were essencially handed over to the buisiness class and corporate powers, the people of those countries did'nt suddenly just change.

I disagree; this suggests that "the business class and corporate powers" were not in control of those governments beforehand. I'd argue instead that this is when the "finance aristocracy," as you noted above - the "lumpenproletariat of the bourgeoisie" - fully came into its own.

RGacky3
11th April 2011, 12:05
They were under a lot of corprate control before, but not they are under way way more corporate control. At least before public opinion kind of mattered.

Jimmie Higgins
11th April 2011, 13:52
They were under a lot of corprate control before, but not they are under way way more corporate control. At least before public opinion kind of mattered.

I think it's bigger than just corporations gaining the upper hand. The 1970s saw a large shift away from the post-war capitalist staus-quo with the return of economic instability after a long period of growth and relative social peace. The combined effects of Europe needing to rebuild and the US really becoming dominant after the war on the one hand and the lasting fear of a return to pre-war class-conflict meant that the ruling classes were more willing to grant reforms and increased working class living standards (cheap home loans, worker rights, regular wage increases, high corporate taxes to pay for social programs in the US, healthcare and so on in the UK) in return for social stability.

By the late 60s, the rate of profit began to fall and there were increasing economic problems. The 1970s saw increased class conflict and I doubt anyone could predict if it would lead to a new 1930s or (what it ended up being) a big push-back and victory for the capitalists. So there were swings to the left and swings to the right in mainstream politics as well as at the grassroots in that time until the ruling class eventually broke through (in the US this is usually seen with the loss of the air-traffic controller fight). From my understanding (I don't know that much about UK politics - particularly the inner-workings of the Labor party) there was a battle within the labor party between the social-democrats and more centrists - there was a similar thing with the Democratic party with some in the party thinking they still needed to rally the social movements that had been the party's base (this would be like the Jessie Jackson campaigns) and the "New Democrats" who basically began organizing to position the Democrats as the party that could more effectively sell neo-liberalism than the Republicans.

So I don't think it's just that people with bad ideas came in or corporations took over, but that there was a general shift in capitalism because the ruling class needed to solve their economic problems on the backs of the working class and that shift was reflected in the mainstream parties.

I think we're seeing a similar shift now where either we are going to see renewed and successful fight-back or the economic crisis is going to be solved on the backs (or with the blood if economic competition leads to war) of the working class.

StockholmSyndrome
11th April 2011, 14:09
Read The Quest for Evolutionary Socialism: Eduard Bernstein and Social Democracy by Manfred Steger.