Who Donates to American Political Parties?

[Bud Struggle]

Unions.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?type=A

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6725/screenshot20110408at659.png

[Agent Ducky]

A bunch of corporations and unions. What's your point?

[Bud Struggle]

A bunch of corporations and unions. What's your point?

Worker Unions! And most of these contributions go to the Democrats.

[#FF0000]

Worker Unions! And most of these contributions go to the Democrats.

So?

[#FF0000]

I like this page a ton btw.

[Agent Ducky]

So you're trying to say that "Oh, it's not just bourgeois corporations who have control of USA's govt through special interests/donations, the workers do too!"?

[StockholmSyndrome]

I knew it! I JUST GRADUMATED FROM BECK UNIVERSITY AND I KAN ASHORE YOU THIS IS PROOF THAT ARE GUVERMENT HAZ BEEN SEKRETLY INFILTRATED BY COMMNUNISTS WE DID NOT WIN THE COLD WAR IT WAS A BIG COVER UP AND SOSHALISM AND FASHISM ARE THE SAME THING THEY BOTH STAND FOR BIG GUVERMENT AND ANTI-FREEDOM AND THE ONION BOSSES ARE EVIL AND THEY HATE AMERICA! BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPOLE OUR STARTING TO WAKE UP WE WONT TAKE IT NEMORE GOD BLESS THE TEA PARTY PATRIOTS LETS GET ARE COUNTRY BACK!

[RGacky3]

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php (Can some one please posts the graphs its not working for me)

Obviously buisiness WAY outspends labor.

You also have to remember the political campain funding is just one way you buy the government, also offering high payed low work "consultant" jobs to ex politicians of family members of politicians is one of the biggest ways (look at how many ex politicians of government officials end up in consultant or lobbyist job for the industry they most sucked up too), because thats DIRECT personal money, Unions can't do that.

You also have basic economic power that transfers to political power. Unions don't threaten capital flight or lack of investment.


I knew it! I JUST GRADUMATED FROM BECK UNIVERSITY AND I KAN ASHORE YOU THIS IS PROOF THAT ARE GUVERMENT HAZ BEEN SEKRETLY INFILTRATED BY COMMNUNISTS WE DID NOT WIN THE COLD WAR IT WAS A BIG COVER UP AND SOSHALISM AND FASHISM ARE THE SAME THING THEY BOTH STAND FOR BIG GUVERMENT AND ANTI-FREEDOM AND THE ONION BOSSES ARE EVIL AND THEY HATE AMERICA! BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPOLE OUR STARTING TO WAKE UP WE WONT TAKE IT NEMORE GOD BLESS THE TEA PARTY PATRIOTS LETS GET ARE COUNTRY BACK!

Thats not what he's trying to say stupid.


So you're trying to say that "Oh, it's not just bourgeois corporations who have control of USA's govt through special interests/donations, the workers do too!"?

Thats what he's trying to say, but considering more of the numbers, and more of the ways you have to control the policy that does not involve campaign finance, he's off base.

[Bud Struggle]

Thats what he's trying to say, but considering more of the numbers, and more of the ways you have to control the policy that does not involve campaign finance, he's off base.

There are also huge Democratic fund raisers like AcrBlue and the vast amounts of individual contribution that gave Obama's campaign the financial edge in the last presidential election. This time around Obama and the Democrats are looking to makje and spend a billion dollars.

There isn't a little circle of corporations sitting around making policy for America--that's a Glenn Beckesque conspiracy. On the other hand things do stay in the same way things always have been in.

The inertia of America to not really change is big--also theTea Parties have been extremely effective in counterbalancing anything the Democrats want to do.

[StockholmSyndrome]

Thats not what he's trying to say stupid. Duh it was a joke stupid.

[RGacky3]

There are also huge Democratic fund raisers like AcrBlue and the vast amounts of individual contribution that gave Obama's campaign the financial edge in the last presidential election. This time around Obama and the Democrats are looking to makje and spend a billion dollars.

There isn't a little circle of corporations sitting around making policy for America--that's a Glenn Beckesque conspiracy. On the other hand things do stay in the same way things always have been in.

The inertia of America to not really change is big--also theTea Parties have been extremely effective in counterbalancing anything the Democrats want to do.

Read the link, pro-buisiness itnerests WAY WAY WAY out do pro-labor. Also AcrBlue, is not nessesarily progressive or pro-labor, infact it would'nt suprise me if it was mostly wallstreet funded.

[Bud Struggle]

Read the link, pro-buisiness itnerests WAY WAY WAY out do pro-labor. Also AcrBlue, is not nessesarily progressive or pro-labor, infact it would'nt suprise me if it was mostly wallstreet funded.

ActBlue is pro Liberal Democratic anti Republican. Indeividual corporate contributions are more tan individual labor contributions--because only 9% of businesses are unionized and that is reflected in the money they have to contribute--but Big Labor does make a signifugant difference--and so do individual PACs.

[RGacky3]

ActBlue is pro Liberal Democratic anti Republican.

And what ... the Democrats are not left inherently.

[Bud Struggle]

And what ... the Democrats are not left inherently.

Nothing of any political consequence is Leftist in the United States.

[PhoenixAsh]

So basically this could also mean that the union busting tactics are definately politically oriented and aimed to wards killing donations to the democratic party in order to more effectively dominate election campaigns.

[Bud Struggle]

So basically this could also mean that the union busting tactics are definately politically oriented and aimed to wards killing donations to the democratic party in order to more effectively dominate election campaigns.

It means that there is little difference between what Goldman Sachs wants and what the Teamsters Union wants.

We are all Brothers. We are all Comrades. The battle is over, the race is won. :)

[agnixie]

Nothing of any political consequence is Leftist in the United States.

Except about a third of the population or more, but I forgot the people was of no consequence.

[Thirsty Crow]

Except about a third of the population or more, but I forgot the people was of no consequence.
If this third of the overall population are not well organized - then no, they are of no political consequence, and will not be until they organize themselves.

[Arilou Lalee'lay]

Most unions are counter-revolutionary bureaucracies that may share the alienated, indoctrinated, mindset of their constituents. Old news.

[Bud Struggle]

Except about a third of the population or more, but I forgot the people was of no consequence.

See, that's a kind of mystery. Now 1/3 of the people MAY BE Progressive--but if they don't vote (i.e. vote in government elections, voting for American Idol doesn't count) or get involved in political causes--they really have no say in the process.

They can have a say. They have a right to a say--but they can't be forced to have a say.

[RGacky3]

It means that there is little difference between what Goldman Sachs wants and what the Teamsters Union wants.

We are all Brothers. We are all Comrades. The battle is over, the race is won. :)

Do you REALLY believe that? For gods sake look out a window.


Nothing of any political consequence is Leftist in the United States.

Except for most of the people, except your right, they are of no political consequence.

[RGacky3]

Agribusiness (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=A++&year=a)$1,317,839,638
Communic/Electronics (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=B++&year=a)$3,611,482,885
Construction (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=C++&year=a)$482,824,245
Defense (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=D++&year=a)$1,261,711,454
Energy/Nat Resource (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=E++&year=a)$3,233,636,465
Finance/Insur/RealEst (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=F++&year=a)$4,405,909,610
Health (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=H++&year=a)$4,369,979,173
Lawyers & Lobbyists (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=K++&year=a)$348,111,867
Transportation (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=M++&year=a)$2,323,450,594
Misc Business (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=N++&year=a)$4,352,728,292
Labor (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=P++&year=a)$441,259,274
Ideology/Single-Issue (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=Q++&year=a)$1,514,021,745
Other (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?lname=W++&year=a)$2,271,149,632

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=c

again, more numbers showing Bud is full of it.

[danyboy27]

and not mentionning the millions given by lobbying group to politicians.

good website bud.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=E01


there is just so many way to give money to politicians, this is just insane.

Unions does it more openly. that all.

[RATM-Eubie]

Thanks to the supreme court corporations can now give politicans as much money as they want with out a limit...

[RGacky3]

And ultimately without anyone knowing about it. The Chamber of Commerce can donate money sent in by Kim Jung Ill and no one would know.

[Bud Struggle]

And ultimately without anyone knowing about it. The Chamber of Commerce can donate money sent in by Kim Jung Ill and no one would know.

Who said Capitalists don't like Communists? :D

[RGacky3]

Who said Capitalists don't like Communists? :D

They love the ones they make money off (i.e. the communists that arn't even close to being communists).

[Bud Struggle]

They love the ones they make money off (i.e. the communists that arn't even close to being communists).

They are REAL WORLD Communists.

[RGacky3]

Look at that, when called out on a bullshit thread based on unchecked information, and essencailly embarrassed on the facts, Bud goes back to trying to have the same pointless argument he's repeated on everysingle thread where he is proved wrong on everything else he says.

[Bud Struggle]

Look at that, when called out on a bullshit thread based on unchecked information, and essencailly embarrassed on the facts, Bud goes back to trying to have the same pointless argument he's repeated on everysingle thread where he is proved wrong on everything else he says.

Look at that! Gacky denies that Communism has ever been tried. he calls the great Communist leaders of the past Shams and fools. He says that Lenin and Trotsky where only TOOLS of Capitalism.

It seems only HE knows the true meaning of Communism.

Revisionist!

[Kiev Communard]

Who said Capitalists don't like Communists? :D

Well, you know there is big difference between Marxists-Leninists (those you call "Communists" with a big "c") and Council Communist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_communism)/ Libertarian Communist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism) currents. Just for the record, I support the latter.

[Dean]

Bullshit. Most donations come as direct contributions from various individuals within corporations to individual legislators. These stats of yours don't scratch the surface of corporate graft.

[RATM-Eubie]

Elections are bought and sold in this US system.

[RGacky3]

Look at that! Gacky denies that Communism has ever been tried. he calls the great Communist leaders of the past Shams and fools. He says that Lenin and Trotsky where only TOOLS of Capitalism.

It seems only HE knows the true meaning of Communism.

Revisionist!

Me and 90% of all Socialists out there. (BTW, never called them tools of Capitalism). Give it up already Bud.

[Bud Struggle]

Me and 90% of all Socialists out there. (BTW, never called them tools of Capitalism). Give it up already Bud.

I read RevLeft (I'm their beloved Golden Che infact!), I sang songs (and marched around a bit) with the IWW. I belonged to the CPUSA and hung out at Revolution Books on 26th St. in NYC. I think I know full well what Socialists are thinking and it isn't your stinking REVISIONISM.

[#FF0000]

I read RevLeft (I'm their beloved Golden Che infact!), I sang songs (and marched around a bit) with the IWW. I belonged to the CPUSA and hung out at Revolution Books on 26th St. in NYC. I think I know full well what Socialists are thinking and it isn't your stinking REVISIONISM.

It's def. what folks in the IWW would be thinking. Not so much in the (lol) CPUSA or Revolution Books would be thinking.

Either way I got a different perspective. I'm not a Marxist-Leninist but as far as I can tell, Marxist-Leninists don't think the USSR was the best thing ever. What I've gathered is that they think there's, at least, some good to be found in the USSR even if it wasn't close to perfect, ideal, or, even, entirely desirable.

btw I think the "USSR was capitalist" is a pretty common line.

[StockholmSyndrome]

I almost went to Revolution Books when I was in NYC, but then I realized it was run by the RCP and I was like fuck that.

[#FF0000]

I almost went to Revolution Books when I was in NYC, but then I realized it was run by the RCP and I was like fuck that.

it's kinda how like you should avoid the haunted houses that churches put on during Halloween.

[Bud Struggle]

Rev Books is a really interesting store. No one really knows the politics of the group that runs it. I definitely recommend you go there if you had the chance.

I went there once with my "worker shirt" on. (Kind of a garage guy shirt with "Bud Struggle" over the left pocket.) Someone said, "Hey, you're on RevLeft!" So I'm famous there.

I probably should copywrite the "Bud Struggle" name and fanachize it. Maybe as a kind of Bob Avankian of the IWW.

[#FF0000]

Rev Books is a really interesting store. No one really knows the politics of the group that runs it. I definitely recommend you go there if you had the chance.

I had the idea it was sort of like a weird culty place where they try and recruit you or something


I went there once with my "worker shirt" on. (Kind of a garage guy shirt with "Bud Struggle" over the left pocket.) Someone said, "Hey, you're on RevLeft!" So I'm famous there.

ahahah no way.

[hatzel]

I went there once with my "worker shirt" on. (Kind of a garage guy shirt with "Bud Struggle" over the left pocket.) Someone said, "Hey, you're on RevLeft!" So I'm famous there.

And when will I achieve such levels of fame? I mean, there was that time in reactionary chatter when Manic was kissing my butt right nice, but there's nobody out and about, 'hey, you're the self-declared rabbi of RevLeft who just runs around making sarky comments at everything telling everybody why they suck without really expressing any of your own opinions'...:(

[Tim Finnegan]

There isn't a little circle of corporations sitting around making policy for America--that's a Glenn Beckesque conspiracy.
Just out of interest, even if someone was making this claim, what does the information you offered actually do to contradict it? All you've illustrated is campaign donations, which is hardly the only intersection of finance and state.

[RGacky3]

I read RevLeft (I'm their beloved Golden Che infact!), I sang songs (and marched around a bit) with the IWW. I belonged to the CPUSA and hung out at Revolution Books on 26th St. in NYC. I think I know full well what Socialists are thinking and it isn't your stinking REVISIONISM.

No you don't Bud, based on reading your posts on revlefts you would'nt know your ass from your head, much less know what Socialists are thinking or understand their arguments.

But still, VERY few people think that the USSR was genuinely Socialist, and almost ALL socialists consider a democratic economy and workers control to be the main aspects of socialism. moving on.

[ComradeMan]

And when will I achieve such levels of fame? I mean, there was that time in reactionary chatter when Manic was kissing my butt right nice, but there's nobody out and about, 'hey, you're the self-declared rabbi of RevLeft who just runs around making sarky comments at everything telling everybody why they suck without really expressing any of your own opinions'...:(

Don't worry- they said the same things to Socrates- just don't drink any herbal tisanes they give you! ;)

[Che a chara]

Interesting paper documenting the continuing corruption of the American political process ......

http://ineteconomics.org/sites/inet.civicactions.net/files/BWpaper_Ferguson_040811.pdf

[GallowsBird]

There isn't a little circle of corporations sitting around making policy for America--that's a Glenn Beckesque conspiracy.


Liar! The Venusian Lizardmen come out of their base at the earth's core disguised as influential people and make policy for the whole world not just America. Oh and Elvis was one of them! Just a heads up for the next time you watch 'Viva Las Vegas'; look out for the eyes! :cool:

[Bud Struggle]

No you don't Bud, based on reading your posts on revlefts you would'nt know your ass from your head, much less know what Socialists are thinking or understand their arguments.

But still, VERY few people think that the USSR was genuinely Socialist, and almost ALL socialists consider a democratic economy and workers control to be the main aspects of socialism. moving on.

Hmmm... I denounce you!

I know everything about Communism and you know nothing. So now we can have separate websites that make nasty jibes at each other and then we can sell newspapers with long articles saying how each other are wrong.

Can anything be more Socialist that that? Can anything be more Real World Communist than that?

:D

[Revolution starts with U]

Yet another non-argument and inconsistency from Bud Struggle... nothing to see here.

[Bud Struggle]

Yet another non-argument and inconsistency from Bud Struggle... nothing to see here.

It is how socialism is done in the REAL WORLD, isn't it?

Please, tell me I'm wrong. Please say "Socialist Parties and Comrades stand together and strong to face Bourgeoise oppression."

Say it--please. :D

I dare you.

[hatzel]

Say it--please. :D
I'd say it...but then I'm a compulsive liar, so...

[Revolution starts with U]

It is how socialism is done in the REAL WORLD, isn't it?

Please, tell me I'm wrong. Please say "Socialist Parties and Comrades stand together and strong to face Bourgeoise oppression."

Say it--please. :D

I dare you.
So, still more interested in trolling than establishing any kind of truth, I see.... more of the same, nothing to see here.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

And what ... the Democrats are not left inherently.



Uuuuum yes they are, thats why you always hear them say "those on the left" when discussing democrats

[Lt. Ferret]

because american political thought is so inherently on the right that even being a centrist is left.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

because american political thought is so inherently on the right that even being a centrist is left.


So american thought is inherently on the right? I don't buy it. Don't quit your day job Hobbes :thumbdown:

[Revolution starts with U]

Despite what FOX news tells you, there are scant legitimate leftists in the american political arena. Even the two most leftist, Kucinich and Sanders, are more social democrats (centrists) than real leftists.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

American thought is on the right. Since its beginnings and in modern day its thought is socialist. I have researched this issue

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Despite what FOX news tells you, there are scant legitimate leftists in the american political arena. Even the two most leftist, Kucinich and Sanders, are more social democrats (centrists) than real leftists.


While fox news is not my only source, it does serve to give me certain information relevant to this topic. I rarely watch it and when I do I only watch Glenn Beck, and since the announced cancellation of his program I have moved to watching more neutral shows for my news. Don't make assumptions based on my views..... :cool:

[Revolution starts with U]

Care to show the research and/or make an argument, rather than a bare assertion?:thumbdown:

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Care to show the research and/or make an argument, rather than a bare assertion?:thumbdown:


I could ask you the same thing; Dont assume my statements are incorrect, instead show me some research YOU base your nay saying on, before your ignorance makes me vomit

[Revolution starts with U]

I could ask you the same thing; Dont assume my statements are incorrect, instead show me some research YOU base your nay saying on, before your ignorance makes me vomit

I did. I told you the two most left politicians in american national politics, and gave an argument for how they are centrist, not leftist.
Left = political stance based on liberty, justice, and equality and common ownership
Right = political stance based on individualism, elitism, and stratification and private property

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Pffft

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Have you even turned on fox news lately? If you did you would realize that socialism is based on the greed of the elite and capitalism is for the greater good. Not the other way around.

If you need to learn more then just ask; I can steer you in the right direction

[Revolution starts with U]

Excellent response. Tho I would expect nothing more from the Glenn Beck crowd.
I assume you think we like Obama around here too, don't you?

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Obama is an african tribe leader of big business and violence. I dont care if you all like obama, I see the truth. I dont need evidence to back that up

[Revolution starts with U]

Have you even turned on fox news lately?
No. When I see studies showing 80% of a channel's viewers are incorrect on even the most basic contemporary issues.. I tend to shy away from such sources.

If you did you would realize that socialism is based on the greed of the elite and capitalism is for the greater good. Not the other way around
More bare assertions. Yawn....
Care to explain how workers exercising democratic control over the workplace is "based on the greed of the elite?" Oh, you mean Marxist-Leninism... do you even know who Lenin is?



If you need to learn more then just ask; I can steer you in the right direction

Please do.

[Revolution starts with U]

Obama is an african tribe leader of big business and violence. I dont care if you all like obama, I see the truth. I dont need evidence to back that up

What surprises me less than this blatantly racist post, is that Bud Struggle thanked it.
See the truth of what?

[Bud Struggle]

Obama is an african tribe leader of big business and violence. I dont care if you all like obama, I see the truth. I dont need evidence to back that up

I like your first answer better. You nailed it there. :D

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

If you want to stay informed than do it through the proper outlet; Im not here to educate you. Prove that fox news fans are stupid

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

I like your first answer better. You nailed it there. :D


Thanks, Im glad to see someone support the truth

[jake williams]

American unions DO spend a chunk of change on election campaigns, although has as been pointed out, the numbers Bud posted are a small part of the picture.

But they spend it really poorly, not because they're stupid, but because they don't have a clear vision of defending a class's interests.

The rich do. When the rich spend money on politicians, they spend money on politicians who are reasonably likely to defend their own interests, and more than that, they work together to create whole armies of intellectuals, pundits, party staffers, and so on so that money is actually spent fighting for policies which will be good for the rich. Unions either spend a lot of money in the vain hope that the Democrats will all of a sudden become progressive, or for either party defending narrow interests in the short run (say, police pay) that aren't good for the working class as a whole in the long run, or even a large fraction of it.

Part of the problem, actually, is that the unions spend so much money on the Democrats that the latter can afford to ignore the former. Business made a good call in playing both sides, and they continue to reap the benefits. I'm not saying unions should start bankrolling Republicans even more than they already do, but dumping money into the pockets of people who will consistently fuck them clearly doesn't work.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

What surprises me less than this blatantly racist post, is that Bud Struggle thanked it.
See the truth of what?


I prefer to call it social darwinism. In fact, the majority who support political views similar to mine follow the dictate of social darwinism, so it must be true.


What is the truth? The truth is everything I believe. I wouldnt believe something if it wasnt the truth.

[Bud Struggle]

Thanks, Im glad to see someone support the truth

Welcome to RevLeft, Comrade!!! There is a bit of juvenilia hurling of insuts around here--but it's mostly by the teen Stalinists. Pay them no mind.

[psgchisolm]

So american thought is inherently on the right? I don't buy it. Don't quit your day job Hobbes :thumbdown:
His day job is protecting your sorry ass. Which is far more important than the internet trolling you do.

American thought is on the right. Since its beginnings and in modern day its thought is socialist. I have researched this issueDid you study at the jackass school of bullshittery?


Have you even turned on fox news lately? If you did you would realize that socialism is based on the greed of the elite and capitalism is for the greater good. Not the other way around.

If you need to learn more then just ask; I can steer you in the right directionIf your only source is fox news then you don't have a legitimate argument. BTW in socialism there is no elite so wtf are you talking about. You obviously have no idea about any of these subjects and you deserve to be laughed at. If your post weren't so boring I might have laughed you off and reported you as a troll.

P.S. I'm still considering doing that btw.

[Revolution starts with U]

If you want to stay informed than do it through the proper outlet
American media probably is not the proper outlet. That much I do know. CNN is only scantly more factual than FOX, but they're both capitalist apologists, and I care not for either

; Im not here to educate you.
Then what are you here for? It seems like just to troll, but I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.


Prove that fox news fans are stupid

Straw man. I didn't say FOX fans are stupid. I said FOX is the biggest trolling experiment ever conducted. And that many of their fans are ill-informed, and sometimes outright incorrect, on many contemporary issues.
There's a big difference than being stupid, and being ill informed.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

American unions DO spend a chunk of change on election campaigns, although has as been pointed out, the numbers Bud posted are a small part of the picture.

But they spend it really poorly, not because they're stupid, but because they don't have a clear vision of defending a class's interests.

The rich do. When the rich spend money on politicians, they spend money on politicians who are reasonably likely to defend their own interests, and more than that, they work together to create whole armies of intellectuals, pundits, party staffers, and so on so that money is actually spent fighting for policies which will be good for the rich. Unions either spend a lot of money in the vain hope that the Democrats will all of a sudden become progressive, or for either party defending narrow interests in the short run (say, police pay) that aren't good for the working class as a whole in the long run, or even a large fraction of it.

Part of the problem, actually, is that the unions spend so much money on the Democrats that the latter can afford to ignore the former. Business made a good call in playing both sides, and they continue to reap the benefits. I'm not saying unions should start bankrolling Republicans even more than they already do, but dumping money into the pockets of people who will consistently fuck them clearly doesn't work.



I JUST TOLD YOU that the democrats are socialist. Therefore, they support unions. They just do it behind closed doors so the people who i disagree with dont fuck it up

[psgchisolm]

I prefer to call it social darwinism. In fact, the majority who support political views similar to mine follow the dictate of social darwinism, so it must be true.


What is the truth? The truth is everything I believe. I wouldnt believe something if it wasnt the truth.That's a damn lie. :laugh:



The truth is everything I believe.I can believe that clouds are shitting on me. Doesn't mean that it's true. I do believe you are a troll. That is the truth. I wouldn't believe it if it wasn't the truth.:cool:

[Revolution starts with U]

I prefer to call it social darwinism. In fact, the majority who support political views similar to mine follow the dictate of social darwinism, so it must be true.

So you understand less about Darwinism than you do socialism? Good to know :laugh:
What's your view on eugenics?



What is the truth? The truth is everything I believe. I wouldnt believe something if it wasnt the truth.

Nice circular reasoning there, Plato... :thumbdown:


Welcome to RevLeft, Comrade!!!
Bud, what was his original quote. Cuz tho I know you like to thank anything anti-socialist... racism is not something I would think to see you thanking.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

His day job is protecting your sorry ass. Which is far more important than the internet trolling you do.
Did you study at the jackass school of bullshittery?

If your only source is fox news then you don't have a legitimate argument. BTW in socialism there is no elite so wtf are you talking about. You obviously have no idea about any of these subjects and you deserve to be laughed at. If your post weren't so boring I might have laughed you off and reported you as a troll.

P.S. I'm still considering doing that btw.


You are the ones who have no idea; I am showing you the truth. And I studied at Arizona state FYI :cool:

P.S troll? Really? What are you charlie sheen?

[psgchisolm]

I JUST TOLD YOU that the democrats are socialist. Therefore, they support unions.
Because they support unions, they are socialist? There's a video where bill o'riley said he supports unions and he's conservative is he a socialist as well? Of course it's a News union so it benefits him, the point still stands your logic doesn't hold.


They just do it behind closed doors so the people who i disagree with dont fuck it upI bet you can't prove it. I know you can't prove it because it's bullshitery. Like all your research :D.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

That's a damn lie. :laugh:


I can believe that clouds are shitting on me. Doesn't mean that it's true. I do believe you are a troll. That is the truth. I wouldn't believe it if it wasn't the truth.:cool:


But you are wrong, therefore you do believe things that aren't true. The truth is never wrong

[Revolution starts with U]

Really?! Arizona State?! What a prestigous university!
The sad part is you're probably not trying to troll.. you just are one.
We're still waiting on any kind of argument from you....

[psgchisolm]

You are the ones who have no idea; I am showing you the truth. And I studied at Arizona state FYI :cool:

Holy shit Arizona state!:laugh: We have tons of people on revleft who have studied in tons of university's. Therefore we have more research so we can show you the better truth.:cool:


P.S troll? Really? What are you charlie sheen?:lol: You cappie's and your shit insults. See I can make strawmen as well.:tt2:

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Because they support unions, they are socialist? There's a video where bill o'riley said he supports unions and he's conservative is he a socialist as well? Of course it's a News union so it benefits him, the point still stands your logic doesn't hold.

I bet you can't prove it. I know you can't prove it because it's bullshitery. Like all your research :D.


If you stayed informed rather than with your cousin in your outhouse you would know that O'reilly is socialist: Which is something the party I subscribe to. Why do you insist in acting the fool? It makes all of us here look like idiots for even participating in this debate. Please read up and then return

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Holy shit Arizona state!:laugh: We have tons of people on revleft who have studied in tons of university's. Therefore we have more research so we can show you the better truth.:cool:

:lol: You cappie's and your shit insults. See I can make strawmen as well.:tt2:


I realize that having gone to a university makes you smart, but I have done more research than you. And do you even know who charlie sheen is? Try and keep up; debate is one of our countries proudest traditions and you're tarnishing it

[psgchisolm]

But you are wrong, therefore you do believe things that aren't true. The truth is never wrongThen why do you still believe it? You believe things that are detrimental to you expecting different results. So you are technically insane. Therefore everything you say is insane and not right, so you are wrong.:laugh: This "logic" shit isso easy to counter.

[Revolution starts with U]

Trolling is expressly against forum policy. I won't respond here again until you make a proper argument. And I expect not to see your account in existence tomorow.
Let's hope I'm wrong! Tho I rarely am when it comes to people's politics.
And what's wrong with spending time with your cousins in outhouses?!?!?!?!?!?!?! :confused:

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Then why do you still believe it? You believe things that are detrimental to you expecting different results. So you are technically insane. Therefore everything you say is insane and not right, so you are wrong.:laugh: This "logic" shit isso easy to counter.


You have proven your intelligence, BUT: You fail to realize that I am smarter and more skeptical than you

[psgchisolm]

If you stayed informed rather than with your cousin in your outhouseWow, you can read. You saw that it said SC so you pull the southern people are rednecks and fuck each others cousins strawman. You must be so proud for using that shit excuse for an insult:rolleyes:. Of course your only visit to the south was to disney land when you were a boy you obviously have no respect for people in different parts of a country. Which makes you a jackass.


you would know that O'reilly is socialist:You are a dumbass :laugh: If bill o'riley is socialist then Hitler was a fucking anarchist :laugh:.


Which is something the party I subscribe to. Why do you insist in acting the fool? It makes all of us here look like idiots for even participating in this debate. Please read up and then returnNo, it just makes YOU look like the idiot. Which im sure isn't far off from the truth.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Trolling is expressly against forum policy. I won't respond here again until you make a proper argument. And I expect not to see your account in existence tomorow.
Let's hope I'm wrong! Tho I rarely am when it comes to people's politics.
And what's wrong with spending time with your cousins in outhouses?!?!?!?!?!?!?! :confused:


I've fucked up this troll, so I'll end it here



U MAD?


Remember: Don't feed the trolls

[psgchisolm]

You have proven your intelligence, BUT: You fail to realize that I am smarter and more skeptical than youKid. I was counter-trolling you. If you think that post i made required intelligence then you need to check to see if your nervous system is still attack to something other than the pebles you call a brain. :laugh:

[psgchisolm]

Remember: Don't feed the trollsYou should have starved to death by now then.

[Revolution starts with U]

You'll know when I'm mad.
You gave away the farm too early. If you're going to troll either let it all out in the first post, or make it more subtle. You were a clear troll from the beggining. Only lasted this long because we wanted to give you the benefit of doubt.
PS: 4chan has a good article on trolling Revleft... it certainly would have worked better than what you tried.

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

Kid. I was counter-trolling you. If you think that post i made required intelligence then you need to check to see if your nervous system is still attack to something other than the pebles you call a brain. :laugh:


I was counter trolling your counter troll by trolling so poorly that you were forced to continue counter trolling.



Or you just wasted a half an hour of your short life. Either way

[Jesus-was-a-socialist]

You may now continue your pseudo intellectual pursuits, I apologize for the interruption

[Revolution starts with U]

:laugh:
You know, if you want to actually discuss things, we'll engage you...? Some of us will be str8 up assholes about it (probably myself included). But we will give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually care.

[psgchisolm]

You'll know when I'm mad.
You gave away the farm too early. If you're going to troll either let it all out in the first post, or make it more subtle. You were a clear troll from the beggining. Only lasted this long because we wanted to give you the benefit of doubt.
PS: 4chan has a good article on trolling Revleft... it certainly would have worked better than what you tried.At least I got free rep.:lol:

[Revolution starts with U]

Bud I have to say.. you're 10x the troll this guy was :D
Shit 99% of Revleft doesn't even realize you are and have been a troll this entire time :laugh:

You know... I want to debate capitalists. But all we get is trolls, Bud Struggle and Skooma the no-argumenters, Trivas the bare assertioner, or Robert (or is it Baseball.. sorry to whichever is not the capitalist), who actually tries. We get ONE! Fuck when will these capitalists stop trolling and actually engage the system?!

[Bright Banana Beard]

And they said I can have free rep here, no??

[RGacky3]

You know... I want to debate capitalists. But all we get is trolls, Bud Struggle and Skooma the no-argumenters, Trivas the bare assertioner, or Robert (or is it Baseball.. sorry to whichever is not the capitalist), who actually tries. We get ONE! Fuck when will these capitalists stop trolling and actually engage the system?!

Havet makes real arguments so does Baseball, Robert is kind of a social-democrat, but still makes real arguments.

Although we almost never agree, I appreciate actually havint discussions, even if we don't come to a conclusion, because at least you get origional thoughts and viewpoints and you have to challenge your own, I have, more than once, had discussions were my mind was changed by someones logical and backed up arguments.

But people like Bud, trivas and usually Skooma (sometimes he tries slightly, but never really goes through with it) are just wastes of time, their own time, and those who read their posts, whoever this Jesus was a socialist guy is, is even more a waste. What I don't get is what they get out of it, whats the point?

[Bud Struggle]

Havet makes real arguments so does Baseball, Robert is kind of a social-democrat, but still makes real arguments.

Although we almost never agree, I appreciate actually havint discussions, even if we don't come to a conclusion, because at least you get origional thoughts and viewpoints and you have to challenge your own, I have, more than once, had discussions were my mind was changed by someones logical and backed up arguments.

But people like Bud, trivas and usually Skooma (sometimes he tries slightly, but never really goes through with it) are just wastes of time, their own time, and those who read their posts, whoever this Jesus was a socialist guy is, is even more a waste. What I don't get is what they get out of it, whats the point?

Playing "Rate the Cappie." :D

Well I'm glad I annoy you. Thats the job of the Bourgeoisie. ;)

[RGacky3]

Well I'm glad I annoy you. Thats the job of the Bourgeoisie. ;)

Thats really, really Sad.

[GallowsBird]

Obama is an african tribe leader of big business and violence. I dont care if you all like obama, I see the truth. I dont need evidence to back that up

Which tribe? Better be Ashanti! Here I was thinking he was the president of the USA... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Welcome to RevLeft, Comrade!!! There is a bit of juvenilia hurling of insuts around here--but it's mostly by the teen Stalinists. Pay them no mind.

I'm not actually a teenager just an angry, hairy little man with too much time on his hands! :tt2:

[danyboy27]

i miss robert verry much:(

[Revolution starts with U]

Havet makes real arguments so does Baseball,
Ya, but they aren't expressly capitalists. Havet I think is a market socialist... well, Baseball is but I was confusing him with Robert.
Although we almost never agree, I appreciate actually havint discussions, even if we don't come to a conclusion, because at least you get origional thoughts and viewpoints and you have to challenge your own, I have, more than once, had discussions were my mind was changed by someones logical and backed up arguments.
:thumbup:



But people like Bud, trivas and usually Skooma (sometimes he tries slightly, but never really goes through with it) are just wastes of time, their own time, and those who read their posts, whoever this Jesus was a socialist guy is, is even more a waste. What I don't get is what they get out of it, whats the point?

4 the lulz

[hatzel]

Havet I think is a market socialist...

Is that so? I remember Havet changing from something to something and then there was all that cyber-whatever stuff and I don't know. I should ask, I've always found Havet to be a well-informed and interesting poster, so I should at least be polite enough to know what ideology we're talking about up in da place, you know? :)

[Revolution starts with U]

From what I understand, it is so. I apologize to Havet if I am wrong. Either way, I enjoy his (?) posts.

[hatzel]

Seems we know literally nothing of most of the other users :lol: I was just saying in chit-chat how we don't know the tendencies of most but the most vocal 'I'm an Marxist-Leninist!!!' types, if they don't have it put as their tendency, but now it seems we also don't always know the genders, or the continents! We should definitely have an eDrink at an ePub sometime, to get the details about the more secretive users :) That introduction thread at the top isn't enough any more! :(

[Revolution starts with U]

<~~~ Non-tendency-ist. :lol:

[El Chuncho]

Obama is an ''African tribe chief''?

I am afraid that...

http://www.thehomeplanet.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ThatsRacist.gif

I am glad you are banned, ''Jesus''. Good riddance to racist trolls tying to bring our glorious revleft reactionary movement down! :thumbdown:

[Sadena Meti]

Back on the original topic of this thread, back in the mid 90's, I donated to both major political parties, Republican and Democrat. I sent them the minimum amount, $20, and got constant mail from them. Way more than $20 of paper and postage. This was before the Internet really took off, so this was the best way to get propaganda from both sides.

Later, in 2006, I donated to several left wing parties. DSA, CPA, RCP. Small amounts.

I don't donate any more.

[Bardo]

It's going to be interesting to see the official numbers after the upcoming election considering that the cap on corporate funds is done away with.

[Sadena Meti]

I heard the figure of 1 billion bandied about for Obama's reelection bid.

[RGacky3]

I don't think you'll even KNOW where most of the money is comming from.

[Revolution starts with U]

On this topic; if corporations are people, and corporations own other corporations... doesn't that make said corporation a slave-owner and criminal?

[Sadena Meti]

Cubicle Proletarians

[Revolution starts with U]

Also, if money is speech; the threat of firing is a real threat, and not protected by the 1st ammendment? Or am I just reaching with this one?

[RGacky3]

Your reaching out with that one, but there are tons of inconsistancies, such as a corporation being a person is owned by people, or existing in many many countries at one time.

But you don't need to make any of these argumenst, corporations are not people, people are people, money is not speach, its money. Capitalists have to come up with insane rediculous logical gymnastics to make things work, they might as well say orange juice can have legal custody of a child, it would make as much sense.