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IndependentCitizen
8th April 2011, 22:37
Whilst it's not confirmed officially yet. If he is storing on behalf of the EDL, we've got a bit of a worry...
Thought I'd share this with you anyway:


It is a fearsome array of weapons including a Kalashnikov, Uzi sub-machine gun, shotguns and pistols.
Packing enough fire-power to impress even the most ardent NRA activist, this astonishing arsenal did not belong to a gang of organised criminals, but formed part of the private collection of an over enthusiastic British grocery store owner.
Despite it being illegal to own a hand gun or automatic fire weapon in the UK, David Evans claimed he bought replica weapons to use for ‘war games’ in his loft, where he kitted out mannequins with imitation guns to recreate scenes from war movies such as Saving Private Ryan.


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Grocery trader David Evans's arsenal including an Uzi, an MP40 machine gun, silenced pistols and even American and Israeli weaponry that was only issued to special forces

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But yesterday the self-confessed gun ‘fanatic’ was starting a 16-year jail term after being convicted of a total of 29 charges of possessing and transferring the weapons to two brothers who are already behind bars.

Gun fanatic: David Evans, pictured, had Uzis, shotguns and a hitman-style pistol with a silencer, some of which were only issued to foreign armies
Evans’s haul, which at one point was stored in a cardboard box kept on top of an industrial-sized fridge at his business premises, included American and Israeli military-issue machine guns – some so state-of-the-art that they are issued only to special forces.
A ‘hitman-style’ pistol with a silencer attached was also discovered, along with more than 500 bullets.
Evans, 42, who lives near Birmingham, also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police.
The gun fanatic had been banned from owning guns after he was jailed for three years in 2005 for posting an illegal firearm to a legitimate dealer in Scotland.
He told officers: ‘It might sound a bit sad but in my loft I had some mannequins which I dressed as German soldiers, American soldiers – but obviously I had no guns.
Officers who seized the cache of 16 deadly guns initially feared they may have been stored on behalf of a far-Right group such as the English Defence League.
They said the guns could have caused mayhem had they fallen into the hands of terrorists or the region’s drugs gangs.
But investigations revealed Evans was a collector who bought many of the weapons on eBay and had no intention to use them for crime.


He told police: ‘I just love guns… I am a bloody fanatic with them.’
Judge Michael Challinor said the machine guns were known as ‘room sprayers, designed for one purpose – killing people’.
He told Evans: ‘You cynically and deliberately collected this cache of weapons, some of which were described as dangerous a weapon as one firearms expert had seen in his 37-year career.


‘That’s when I started buying the guns to put on the uniforms.’
Wolverhampton Crown Court heard that in late 2009, as his marriage crumbled and his business ran into difficulties, Evans asked friend Daniel Thatcher, a 25-year-old mechanic, to store the weapons.
Thatcher, who lived with his parents, passed five of the weapons to his brother, Lee, 29.
The weapons haul came to light when police arrested Daniel Thatcher on an unrelated matter and found a 9mm Uzi and a 9mm pistol and cartridges under his bed.
Detective Inspector Gary Dring said: ‘If word had got out that there were unsecured guns... they may have been stolen by criminals and I dread to think what could have happened.’
The Thatcher brothers each admitted possession of firearms and ammunition last September. Daniel Thatcher was jailed for three years and eight months. His brother received a 15-month sentence.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374728/Saving-Private-Ryan-fan-David-Evans-used-military-issue-arsenal-recreate-battles-attic.html#ixzz1IyALJJ2b

Anarchist Skinhead
9th April 2011, 00:09
is there any indication this guy was storing it on behalf of fash though?? nothing in the article seems to say it, is there any other info indication that?

The Douche
9th April 2011, 00:19
It keeps talking about replicas and ebay though?

Delirium
9th April 2011, 00:26
an arsenal is a large amount of guns

The Douche
9th April 2011, 02:13
an arsenal is a large amount of guns

I've seen stories where they recover a hunting rifle, a shotgun, and the tools/supplies for reloading your own bullets (entirely legal and common, in fact the supplies are sold at wal mart) and they called it an "arsenal and bomb making materials".

Os Cangaceiros
9th April 2011, 04:32
God what a lame story. No offense to the OP or anything, but yeah. Lame. Just some guy who liked guns and who had an "arsenal" that could be bought entirely in the pages of Shotgun News in the USA (with the exception of the silencer).

All of those super scary "room sprayer" assault rifles were most likely semi-automatic, especially considering the fact that the article mentions that he got many of them from online dealers.

IndependentCitizen
9th April 2011, 12:09
Officers who seized the cache of 16 deadly guns initially feared they may have been stored on behalf of a far-Right group such as the English Defence League.

Before the EDL closed their forums off to the public, they often spoke about forming links to organisations worldwide for connections. And a very common selection of words were often used such 'civil wars'.

Maybe I'm being a bit paranoid, but better to use any information and look further into it.

IndependentCitizen
9th April 2011, 12:11
God what a lame story. No offense to the OP or anything, but yeah. Lame. Just some guy who liked guns and who had an "arsenal" that could be bought entirely in the pages of Shotgun News in the USA (with the exception of the silencer).

All of those super scary "room sprayer" assault rifles were most likely semi-automatic, especially considering the fact that the article mentions that he got many of them from online dealers.

You can't buy most of these weapons in the UK. And if you do have shotguns and hunting rifles, you must have a license. Assault rifles and etc are illegal. The fact he's got Israeli and U.S special force's issued rifles is something to question.

Sasha
9th April 2011, 12:23
God what a lame story. No offense to the OP or anything, but yeah. Lame. Just some guy who liked guns and who had an "arsenal" that could be bought entirely in the pages of Shotgun News in the USA (with the exception of the silencer).

All of those super scary "room sprayer" assault rifles were most likely semi-automatic, especially considering the fact that the article mentions that he got many of them from online dealers.


you do know that in the most of europe, and especialy in engeland all these weapons are illegal right? having one of these wapons in the netherlands (who have more lax gunlaws than the british i believe) already cariies a sentence up to 8 years in prison

Princess Luna
9th April 2011, 21:58
You can't buy most of these weapons in the UK. And if you do have shotguns and hunting rifles, you must have a license. Assault rifles and etc are illegal. The fact he's got Israeli and U.S special force's issued rifles is something to question.


you do know that in the most of europe, and especialy in engeland all these weapons are illegal right? having one of these wapons in the netherlands (who have more lax gunlaws than the british i believe) already cariies a sentence up to 8 years in prison

Yea and being caught with pot can get you over 5 years in America, doesn't change the fact the laws are bullshit and until i see evidence he was stockpiling for a fascist group my sympathies are fully with him

Os Cangaceiros
10th April 2011, 02:51
you do know that in the most of europe, and especialy in engeland all these weapons are illegal right? having one of these wapons in the netherlands (who have more lax gunlaws than the british i believe) already cariies a sentence up to 8 years in prison

ya I know all about it. My parents are NRA members, and I read their publications about how draconian British gun laws are, and how Tony Martin has gotten screwed, etc. etc. I still think it's a lame story, though, precisely because there is no evidence whatsoever from that article that this guy was anything other than what he says he was. It's also lame because of my own anecdotal experiences as someone who lives in a house with an AR-15, Mini-14 and assorted other "room sprayers". This exotic assortment of firearms isn't exotic at all to me.

Magón
10th April 2011, 03:32
...also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police.

Police? Who the hell uses an old German WW2 submachine-gun anymore?

Robespierre Richard
10th April 2011, 03:37
Police? Who the hell uses an old German WW2 submachine-gun anymore?

Facist pigs.

Magón
10th April 2011, 03:45
Facist pigs.

Yeah, but I wanna know how they got them, and where they've been hiding for so long?

Also, I just meant for the statement in the first post as pointing out a flaw in the article.

Agent Ducky
10th April 2011, 03:56
That guy could be helping the revolution!
:lol:

Sasha
10th April 2011, 11:00
Yea and being caught with pot can get you over 5 years in America, doesn't change the fact the laws are bullshit and until i see evidence he was stockpiling for a fascist group my sympathies are fully with him

and I'm not saying you shouldn't, i was just pointing out that to UK standards this an exceptional find hence why the media are all over it.

Delirium
10th April 2011, 22:59
I've seen stories where they recover a hunting rifle, a shotgun, and the tools/supplies for reloading your own bullets (entirely legal and common, in fact the supplies are sold at wal mart) and they called it an "arsenal and bomb making materials".

Yes, manuals and pdfs are considered conspiracy sometimes too.

Tim Finnegan
11th April 2011, 00:56
is there any indication this guy was storing it on behalf of fash though?? nothing in the article seems to say it, is there any other info indication that?
If you've got that many guns of that sort in the UK, you're usually either with the fash or the 'ra, and "Evans" doesn't strike me as a paddy name... ;)

The Douche
11th April 2011, 01:00
You can't buy most of these weapons in the UK. And if you do have shotguns and hunting rifles, you must have a license. Assault rifles and etc are illegal. The fact he's got Israeli and U.S special force's issued rifles is something to question.

So how did he buy them from online retailers?

Also, the same weapons issued to "special forces" are also issued to regular soldiers, and available for purchase to citizens in many countries. Its just a regular rifle.

Pretty Flaco
11th April 2011, 01:51
Police? Who the hell uses an old German WW2 submachine-gun anymore?

Neo-Nazis :rolleyes:

agnixie
11th April 2011, 02:11
Neo-Nazis :rolleyes:

A lot of people have old surplus stuff around, easier to get hold of.

bailey_187
11th April 2011, 02:23
It keeps talking about replicas and ebay though?

people here convert replica guns to fire live rounds called "rebores". i dno if its possible with anything but a pistol though.

The Douche
11th April 2011, 03:55
people here convert replica guns to fire live rounds called "rebores". i dno if its possible with anything but a pistol though.

Word, most of the time in the states when they sell something as "demilitarized" or a "replica", the reciever has been cut and welded, so its not possible to fire it.