Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All!

[L.A.P.]

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Discuss.

[Pirate Utopian]

Gotta thank Bailey187 for introducing me to them last january. Been listening to them ever since.

I love the variety that comes outta OF too.

From this:
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To this:
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To this:
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To this:
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To this:
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And all masterfully done.

Mike G follows me on tumblr. :cool:

[Octavian]

I started listening to them around when Bastard was released by way of last.fm. At first I didn't like Bastard that much and passed it off as average. Then when EARL was released I started to get into them more.

[Pirate Utopian]

Fuck yeah. They're coming to Amsterdam april 30th.

[apawllo]

I've only heard Bastard and EARL. I dig both albums for the most part, but I need to listen to some of their more chill stuff I think. It's tough not to respect this kid on some level though...

-OoZNENl0Cg

[Pirate Utopian]

Check out Radical it's more of a group album: http://www.mediafire.com/?92x7c3wwyzqzq2o

[Mala Tha Testa]

This is my shit right now.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Media hype and indie-music blogger-bait.

Average beats and lyrics for all the hype they get, but good cover-art and I read that they have a good stage show.

IMO.

I also think I resent them mostly for the hype. The US rock press just spend over a decade pretending that hip-hop doesn't exist and now they are pissing themselves to get piece of the action. I don't see the draw other than the sensationalism.

I'm old now and you kids today...:D

I'll keep my Wu-Tang records thanky.

[L.A.P.]

I also think I resent them mostly for the hype.

Silly hipster.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Silly hipster.:lol:

I do tend to fall into some hater-ism when it comes to pop-culture.

But I'm much better than I was when I was right out of high school. But that was before the modern boy-band/pop-female singer wave and Limp Bizkit and Crazytown and I didn't realize how shitty pop-music could get.

[Robespierre Richard]

Their stuff is cool, hipster irony + the kind of dark humor that was popular in late 70's - early 80's USSR. At least it's not horrorcore/Eminem-type stuff even though it seems like that. A lot of people who are into regular hip-hop hate it/don't get how it's popular though lol.

[The Grey Blur]

i'm surprised no one's raised the issue of their extreme misogynistic lyrics.

[L.A.P.]

i'm surprised no one's raised the issue of their extreme misogynistic lyrics.

Shock value, but don't bring up the fact that they talk about murder and misanthropy because misogyny is apparently the only thing that's "morally" wrong.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Rapeing women as a lyrical theme isn't all that "daring" considering how often it happens in pop-culture (and in real life unfortunately)... more shock-value/exploitative maybe. If they started making songs about raping men... that might be more shocking and interesting and I wonder how bloggers and Pitchfork would respond to that.

[Pirate Utopian]

I'm gonna get them to sign my Vans when they perform in Amsterdam, the show will be free too, I will be in the front getting hit in the face when they stagedive. It's gonna be swagged out.

I'm actually thinking about paying money for Goblin. After all the shit they did for free, I kinda feel obliged.

[#FF0000]

I like 'em.

i liked them way before they were cool though v:mellow:v

[L.A.P.]

I like 'em.

i liked them way before they were cool though v:mellow:v

Successful hipster.:thumbup:

[Robespierre Richard]

Rapeing women as a lyrical theme isn't all that "daring" considering how often it happens in pop-culture (and in real life unfortunately)... more shock-value/exploitative maybe. If they started making songs about raping men... that might be more shocking and interesting and I wonder how bloggers and Pitchfork would respond to that.

Are you familiar with the idea of gangsta rap absurdism? Because that's basically 90% of what they do artistically.

Lol I played this to some black friends who rap/make hip hop beats but never really listened to indie and to them the most provocative parts were where they diss Our Lord And Savior Jesus Christ, where Tyler says he is an "emo faggot" (that last word is in the songs a lot too) and how the Yonkers video has 5 million views despite them not giving a fuck about the things rappers care about.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Are you familiar with the idea of gangsta rap absurdism? Because that's basically 90% of what they do artistically.Yeah, just by virtue of my age, I am familiar... I had NWA on tape, yes tape! NWA was shocking at the time as were Prince Paul, ODB and tons of other groups and performers in the past...

It's just a beautiful night for a date rape
A beautiful night, for a kill
It's a beautiful night for a homicide
A beautiful night, let's go steal
Well it's a beautiful night, to kill crackers
It's just a beautiful night

So I don't know if it's just that I'm old an un-impressed like the guys I'd meet back in the day who'd be like: "Bah, Nirvana, they're just this band plus that band and let me tell you about seeing the Germs back in 79!" or "That rap song is just some old James Brown with someone talking over it". Or maybe it's just a case of being down so long it looks like up to us: people got so used to the stale mainstream auto-tuned/self-indulgent hip-hop of the last 12 years and forgot what youthful rebellion in music looked like.

Also, when the NYT, Pitchfork and NPR are all telling us that a certain rap crew is the "next big thing" I get a little suspicious.

[Robespierre Richard]

Yeah, just by virtue of my age, I am familiar... I had NWA on tape, yes tape! NWA was shocking at the time as were Prince Paul, ODB and tons of other groups and performers in the past...

It's just a beautiful night for a date rape
A beautiful night, for a kill
It's a beautiful night for a homicide
A beautiful night, let's go steal
Well it's a beautiful night, to kill crackers
It's just a beautiful night

So I don't know if it's just that I'm old an un-impressed like the guys I'd meet back in the day who'd be like: "Bah, Nirvana, they're just this band plus that band and let me tell you about seeing the Germs back in 79!" or "That rap song is just some old James Brown with someone talking over it". Or maybe it's just a case of being down so long it looks like up to us: people got so used to the stale mainstream auto-tuned/self-indulgent hip-hop of the last 12 years and forgot what youthful rebellion in music looked like.

Also, when the NYT, Pitchfork and NPR are all telling us that a certain rap crew is the "next big thing" I get a little suspicious.


hip-hop


rap crew

Lol I think you're trolling. That or you missed the part where rich black kids make music about how their parents don't care about them and they don't believe in god.

Also what you pasted is not absurdism, it's just anger. These guys aren't angry at all if you pay attention. It's really not about that.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Also what you pasted is not absurdism, it's just anger. These guys aren't angry at all if you pay attention. It's really not about that.

What is it about, exactly? Please enlighten us.

[synthesis]

It's about selling an image of being "different" from "the mainstream," same as it's always been

[Lyev]

I liked it when Tyler jumped on Jimmy Fallon when they played on his show. They're pretty young too I think (like ~16 to 19). Oh they're also playing Reading festival in the UK this year too, but the rest of the line-up (as it is most of the time) is rubbish.
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[bailey_187]

I like 'em.

i liked them way before they were cool though v:mellow:v

same :thumbup1:

[Robespierre Richard]

What is it about, exactly? Please enlighten us.

Mostly total nonsense put together from dumb gangsta rap cliches for the fun of it. That's also why they most of the time just reuse old beats even on albums.

[Pirate Utopian]

No they dont. Except for the beats on Radical they make all beats themself they hardly even do samples.

[L.A.P.]

Mostly total nonsense put together from dumb gangsta rap cliches for the fun of it. That's also why they most of the time just reuse old beats even on albums.

I may be a bit high right now, but I think you've completely forgotten what you were talking about.

[HEAD ICE]

Rapeing women as a lyrical theme isn't all that "daring" considering how often it happens in pop-culture (and in real life unfortunately)... more shock-value/exploitative maybe. If they started making songs about raping men... that might be more shocking and interesting and I wonder how bloggers and Pitchfork would respond to that.

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[synthesis]

Rapeing women as a lyrical theme isn't all that "daring" considering how often it happens in pop-culture (and in real life unfortunately)... more shock-value/exploitative maybe. If they started making songs about raping men... that might be more shocking and interesting and I wonder how bloggers and Pitchfork would respond to that.

Cue Lil B album

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

They found Earl, wheyyyyy.

In all seriousness, don't mind them. Massive hipster bait (maybe why I've got a slight affinity towards them...), but they've got a fair few decent tracks. The fact that Earl Sweatshirt was only 16 when he put out EARL is pretty impressive. Don't get the huge hype about them, especially some comparisons to Wu Tang. But hey, live and let be, right?

[Pirate Utopian]

Cue Lil B album

Lil B's new album is gonna be called I'm Gay.

Lil B's cool too.

[Robespierre Richard]

Yeah I did forget what I was talking about. Anyway here's some new Tyler videos.

Thurnis Haley
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Leaked from Goblin
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[Pirate Utopian]

I went today. I had to pay 25 bucks from some reselling motherfucker on the internet but I went.

I jumped, I moshed, I sweated, I stagedived. And I met them after the show. I went for some Burger King, went back to the building and they were just coming out. I got a picture with me and Tyler, we bumped fists and he told me to "keep swagging it out."

Best concert ever.

Syd opened up by playing Flocka, SpaceGhostPurrp and Lil B and already people started moshing, like a half hour later Tyler, Hodgy and Left Brain came out and shit got really crazy.

SWAG.

[Pirate Utopian]

Me and Tyler. I blacked myself out so mods dont remove this picture, but that's me under that blackness.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n187/Shabazz_02/IMG00090-20110430-1907.jpg

So swag. That guy is like my fucking idol.

[bailey_187]

damn pirate, im jelous

theyre at camden crawl tonight i think, which is like 15mins from me but i didnt buy a ticket :confused:

[Pirate Utopian]

Tomorrow, if do find a way in it's totally worth it.

[Octavian]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004YMS732/kanycom-20
Previews of all the songs on goblin.
I'm not sure what to think of them right now but to me it sounds a little too much like bastard but hopefully it will be better.

[the last donut of the night]

Media hype and indie-music blogger-bait.

Average beats and lyrics for all the hype they get, but good cover-art and I read that they have a good stage show.

IMO.

I also think I resent them mostly for the hype. The US rock press just spend over a decade pretending that hip-hop doesn't exist and now they are pissing themselves to get piece of the action. I don't see the draw other than the sensationalism.

I'm old now and you kids today...:D

I'll keep my Wu-Tang records thanky.

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[L.A.P.]

Me and Tyler. I blacked myself out so mods dont remove this picture, but that's me under that blackness.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n187/Shabazz_02/IMG00090-20110430-1907.jpg

So swag. That guy is like my fucking idol.

Dude, you're taller than Tyler the Creator? You must be fucking tall!

[Pirate Utopian]

Tyler is average height. Also I read somewhere Dutch people are among the tallest nationalities in the world.

[Robespierre Richard]

Totaled my car while listening to Odd Future today. (via colliding with a bus)

[L.A.P.]

Tyler is average height. Also I read somewhere Dutch people are among the tallest nationalities in the world.

Yeah you're right, he's only 5'10 (average height for a male), I heard he was over 6 feet. One of my best friend's father is Dutch and he's a pretty tall guy, he's 6 foot but one of the shortest in his family, so it wouldn't be hard to believe.

[Robespierre Richard]

New album's leaked or whatever. I listened to it, it's alright I guess.

[Aspiring Humanist]

Goblin was quite possibly the worst album of the millennium

[Robespierre Richard]

Goblin was quite possibly the worst album of the millennium

Nope this is it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Plies-goon-affliated.jpg

[Reznov]

Damn, these are some nice songs.

Thanks for sharing comrades!

[Reznov]

Totaled my car while listening to Odd Future today. (via colliding with a bus)

Are you being serious? Or is that internet sarcasm...

[Robespierre Richard]

Are you being serious? Or is that internet sarcasm...

Well it turns out that it wasn't totaled, but it was heavily damaged.

[Pirate Utopian]

I might buy Goblin to get the poster and all the other bonus shit.

[bailey_187]

odd future arent for the summer

while the suns been out i have not felt like playing them

will probably listen to goblin in the winter or some shit

[Robespierre Richard]

What is here is more promise than delivery, yet it's still a game-changing record for indie hip-hop-- a singular and sonically complex album neither in hoc to 1986-88 "real" hip-hop nor created by rappers aiming to define themselves in opposition to the mainstream. (It takes about three minutes for Tyler to align himself with other artists here, but he chooses Erykah Badu, Pusha T, and Waka Flocka Flame instead of Immortal Technique.) Alongside Lil B and Soulja Boy, OFWGKTA are harnessing the Internet to communicate directly and often and pushing a new kind of indie hip-hop-- often rambling, not always musical, frequently surprising, and absolutely beloved by some. It takes work to get through, and a lot of its success rests on cult of personality. Those two barriers are particularly why it's so successful: You have to commit to it in many ways. You have to want to be an insider. And that's a club that's quickly expanding.

LOLLLLzzz

[Chimurenga.]

Fuck Tech. Wu Tang is played out as fuck.

OFWGKTA is the future as far as collectives go.

As for Lil B, he was called the "most revolutionary MC in the last 15 years (http://www.basedworld.com/?p=2938)" by Vice. And for good reason too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ycuwKGOVw). Shit is unfuckwithable.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FYXn8nD6Tw

Swag.

[Pirate Utopian]

I ordered Goblin Deluxe. 5-7 workdays. Bonus shit ftw.

[Chimurenga.]

I ordered Goblin Deluxe. 5-7 workdays. Bonus shit ftw.

I got the three bonus tracks last night. Not bad. 'Steak Sauce' is probably the best.

What else comes with the Deluxe edition?

[Chimurenga.]

"Fuck Global Warming. It's the ice age, *****!"

Jasper FTW

[Pirate Utopian]

I got the three bonus tracks last night. Not bad. 'Steak Sauce' is probably the best.

What else comes with the Deluxe edition?

If you got the physical version (not the download) you get a poster, sticker, lyrics sheet, booklet.

[Robespierre Richard]

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6035/tylercreatorarrested.jpg

Your call, revlefters.

(I'm guessing that's Earl lying down facing the ground???)

[Pirate Utopian]

That's Jasper.

They got arrested for skating past a cop. He got on twitter quickly afterwards tweeting how he hates cops.

Also videofootage.
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[pierrotlefou]

weak beats and is far too angsty. Will be irrelevant next year.

[Pirate Utopian]

Funny shit at the Goblin release party. Crazy bastard licking another woman's puke.

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[Spawn of Stalin]

weak beats and is far too angsty. Will be irrelevant next year.

Truth son

[L.A.P.]

Truth son

Lies.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yeah, maybe not next year, that's probably a little harsh, but I seriously doubt these kids will still be going at it when they are 40 unless they up their game.

[Robespierre Richard]

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/altreport/2011/05/tyler-creators-mgmt-botches-autograph-sesh-blipster-riot-starts-police-officer-hospitalized.html

oh man

[Chimurenga.]

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/altreport/2011/05/tyler-creators-mgmt-botches-autograph-sesh-blipster-riot-starts-police-officer-hospitalized.html

oh man

That second video is hilarious.

[Pirate Utopian]

lol I saw another video earlier today of Fox News trying to get a soundbite from them but just getting insulted. :lol:

[apawllo]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/free-earl-sweatshirt-odd-future.html

Apparently this is Earl Sweatshirt's dad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keorapetse_Kgositsile

[Octavian]

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/altreport/2011/05/tyler-creators-mgmt-botches-autograph-sesh-blipster-riot-starts-police-officer-hospitalized.html

oh man
"According to WHDH, a 13-year old girl was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct. During the commotion a police officer slipped, hurt his back, and was hospitalized (he's since recovered and has been released from the hospital)."

Goddamn it, the overt fanbase is already ruining them.

[Chimurenga.]

Goddamn it, the overt fanbase is already ruining them.

This shit is ridiculous and hilarious at the same time.

[Sasha]

Never heard from them but they are playing my work soon, ill check them out then.
Anyone want on the guestlist?

[Pirate Utopian]

Never heard from them but they are playing my work soon, ill check them out then.
Anyone want on the guestlist?

You have that power? Like if I PM you my name, you can really get me on there?

[Sasha]

Sure, will probably mean you end up paying half price.

[Pirate Utopian]

So that's 10 bucks? Cool. I'll PM you my name. I'd appreciate it.

[cogar66]

They're pretty good, but their production needs some work. Overall, swag.

[Tablo]

Wow, that was awesome. I liked the video. Kinda gross, but well done.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Ok I just listened to Goblin again and I actually really enjoy tracks 1-6 (Goblin-Nightmare? I dunno I downloaded it for free so my tracklist might be messed up). The rest of the album can explode for all I care.

Did they use a different producer for the second half because it just seems really inconsistent. First six tracks are really nicely put together, the drums are hard but not overwhelming, the synth sounds are shit ugly but they still kind of blend in nicely, oh and there are no shitty guest spots either. Second half just sounds like a small child got hold of some analogue drum emulator plugins for his computer, tried to make a few dirty South style beats and had his older brother (who in all likelihood, is an emo, by the way) drom some bars over them. Should've kept the same producer all the way through if this is the case, album would've been fire.

I was wrong that this album completely sucks, I definitely think it's a lot better than Bastard or anything else OF have released thus far. But I do stand by what I said, I don't think they can possibly last. One or two members might hit big and stick around but teams like this don't last.

[cogar66]

I was wrong that this album completely sucks, I definitely think it's a lot better than Bastard or anything else OF have released thus far. But I do stand by what I said, I don't think they can possibly last. One or two members might hit big and stick around but teams like this don't last.

False.

[#FF0000]

Ok I just listened to Goblin again and I actually really enjoy tracks 1-6 (Goblin-Nightmare? I dunno I downloaded it for free so my tracklist might be messed up). The rest of the album can explode for all I care.

I liked pretty much everything from 1-9. The rest, I don't think I cared for much. Except for AU79. I love AU79

[cogar66]

Not even Golden? Great song imo, lots of emotion.

[Pirate Utopian]

BSD is my favorite song.
"I bought a whale, cause I'm balling!"

Taco and Jasper need their own album(s).

[Spawn of Stalin]

False.
Well, it was meant more as a statement of opinion than a statement of fact. Lyrically I think it's weak but I'll still listen to it a whole lot more than the 500 other mixtapes and LPs they've released.

Don't get me wrong, I know I'm coming across like I'm hating right now, I'm not, I think they can be good, maybe they can even be great. But I'm realistic, unless your team's name is Cold Crush, Wu-Tang or BDP, you can't expect to achieve greatness with the first or second round of albums. If in a few years they've stopped relying on shock value we'll see how good they are at making Hip Hop.

[Omi]

I like this group. They do some original shit.

[Chimurenga.]

BSD is my favorite song.
"I bought a whale, cause I'm balling!"

Taco and Jasper need their own album(s).

I second this notion. Jasper's last verse in BSD is sooo dope.

[Pirate Utopian]

I know I'm necromancing a little but their Chris Brown twitter beef is hilarious.

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/06/chris-brown-calls-out-frank-ocean-and-odd-future

[L.A.P.]

Chris Brown is such an incredible douchebag. That typical immature talk shit and then go on ranting "you don't know me! I don't have time for your bullshit because you can't say it to my face and Imma just stop talking about it even though I keep on going on about it herp da derp." I want to just punch those people in the face when I see them at high school.

[Pirate Utopian]

He looks like a crayon with buckteeth.

Other highlights include; Chuck Inglish (of the Cool Kids) saying "Do you like soup?" is the best comeback and Asher Roth citing Earl Sweatshirt's applesauce line.

[L.A.P.]

Other highlights include; Chuck Inglish (of the Cool Kids) saying "Do you like soup?" is the best comeback

Explain.

[Pirate Utopian]

http://twitter.com/#!/chuckisdope

http://twitter.com/#!/asherroth

[Chimurenga.]

This thread is slipping so I'm going to revive this shit.

New Mellowhype video.

sWMOEVdXR2o

[Spawn of Stalin]

As much as I wish Chris Brown would just jump off a very tall building sometimes, I really think he was just trying to make a compliment

[L.A.P.]

As much as I wish Chris Brown would just jump off a very tall building sometimes, I really think he was just trying to make a compliment

I thought he was dissing OF for being shocking and not preachy in some condescending way.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Nah he wrote on his twitter that Frank Ocean reminded him of Kevin Cossom and Frank Ocean took offence because apparently he doesn't like the RnB label so he compared Chris Brown to Sisqo and somebody else I don't remember who

[Tim Cornelis]

They are listed as anarchist musicians, but that doesn't seem to be true. At least I didn't find any evidence of that.

See wikipedia page "anarchist musicians"

[Pirate Utopian]

As much as I wish Chris Brown would just jump off a very tall building sometimes, I really think he was just trying to make a compliment

He had a twitter feud with OF before talking about how he's sick of "all this satanic music".
His compliments were clearly very backhanded. Trying to ease things from the last clash. Frank Ocean saw right through him.

I laughed my ass off at the Ike Turner thing.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Ah I didn't know that. Then again, I don't pay too much attention to RnB:D

[Pirate Utopian]

You really dont know who Ike Turner is? He was Tina Turner's husband. He also beat up his girlfriend.

What really irks me is when people whine how it's mean to bring up the fact he beat Rihanna up. Fuck that. What's mean is him doing that shit. Fuck Chris Brown.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Oh no I know who Ike Turner is, what I meant was I didn't know there was already bad blood between Chris Brown and Odd Future, which is why I got the impression Chris Brown was just being nice in what he said about Frank Ocean.

And yeah I agree about him beating up Rihanna, if people don't like the fact that it's easy to criticise him for it then they know whose fault that is. Chris Brown is fair game.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I know I'm necromancing a little but their Chris Brown twitter beef is hilarious.

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/06/chris-brown-calls-out-frank-ocean-and-odd-future

Lol Ocean went in

[Pirate Utopian]

The Amber Rose joke Tyler made was also good.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

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[Pirate Utopian]

Cool. Now I know what to shout on the 29th.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Are you going to see them? I've been offered a ticket to Tyler and Mellowhype on the 5th but I don't know if I should go or not because I already have about four shows coming up next month one of which cost me like £70 or something so I dunno. Kind of want to see Mellowhype do some of his stuff

[Pirate Utopian]

Our cool fellow forummember Psycho works at the venue and got me on the guestlist.

I'd go to the show. Have you ever been to an OF show? It's got a good energy (as long as it isnt in Detroit).


Kind of want to see Mellowhype do some of his stuff

*Their. It's a duo. Hodgy and Left.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Oh ok I figured that was just some other guy from Odd Future I didn't know that

Haven't been to a show yet. There was one a few months back which was like five or six members but I had a wedding party to go to. I know somebody who went and they said that while it was a very very good show, the audience was basically shit. I really don't have an issue with being at a show with young white people, I am after all young and white myself but I do like to be in an audience of like-minded people. I guess I'm shallow but that kind of thing really effects me, I feel at home when I go to see people like Mos Def, Wu-Tang, Doom, stuff that really only hardcore Hip Hop fans would pay money to see.

Meh, I'll probably go and just stand in a dark corner sipping my lemonade. I would probably regret not going on the offchance that it's going to be filled with people I don't like.

[Pirate Utopian]

When I saw them I thought the atmosphere was great. I like pushpits (OF has no real moshpits to be fair).

[Spawn of Stalin]

Haha yeah but you live in the Netherlands, as far as audience goes shows seem to be really good there regardless of the type of crows they attract. I've been to the Paradiso twice and Melkwag once and each time almost everyone there just seemed really chill, like they were there solely to enjoy the music and have a good time. There were lots of young people but virtually no hyperactive teenagers shouting in your ear and spilling their drink on you. Things are a little different here in the UK.

[Pirate Utopian]

Yeah. That's why we're the greatest country in the world.

London did have the epic stage rush.
M8le7K1Yah8
Starting at 7:10

[Frank Zapatista]

Tyler The Creator is a fucking homophobe and frankly, I don't see how people on this board can support him so avidly as to have pictures taken of themselves with him. His homophobic comment on Tegan and Sara after they pointed out his homophobic lyrics disgusted me. Even if it was supposed to be a "joke" (which I don't believe), it was an insensitive and homophobic comment. If that "joke" had been targeted towards African-Americans it would not have been taken so lightheartedly.

[Pirate Utopian]

He's friends with a lesbian. Syd the Kyd, his DJ/producer, is an important part of OF.
He has multiple times denied being a homophobe.
He said homophobia and racism are equally bad on his Formspring.
I can take photos with anyone I want, fuck your opinion and fuck you.
Apart from the word "faggot", which he says he doesnt mean homosexual to him, his lyrics arent homophobic at all.



Oh and...

I don't see how people on this board can support him so avidly as to have pictures taken of themselves with him.

Fuck you

[Frank Zapatista]

He's friends with a lesbian. Syd the Kyd, his DJ/producer, is an important part of OF.
He has multiple times denied being a homophobe.
He said homophobia and racism are equally bad on his Formspring.
I can take photos with anyone I want, fuck your opinion and fuck you.
Apart from the word "faggot", which he says he doesnt mean homosexual to him, his lyrics arent homophobic at all.


Oh and...


Fuck you
1. That's the same as when a racist says "I have lots of friends that are black"
2. Of course he has.
3. He also said the aforemention statement on Twitter which was obviously homophobic.
4. Of course you can, I'll just think less of you for it.
5. The word means what the word means. I couldn't go around saying the n-word and than just say "I didn't mean it to be racist". As a homosexual I think I can say what offends me. The word "faggot" is a slur just like the n-word and carries a negative connotation and is bound to offend a group of people. He knows that. The statement he posted about Tegan and Sara was obviously ignorant and homophobic and he never apologized. He's an ignorant bigot.

[Pirate Utopian]

Whatever... I dont need your approval. You dont get things. As far as I'm concerned you can think I'm a shitbag.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I think he does a lot of things for shock value, in some cases I approve, in others I don't. But he's not the first rapper to be branded a homophobe and he won't be the last. I'm hardly an expert on Odd Future, I really enjoy some of their music and I really dislike some of it and that's about it, but what I do know is they strike me as a really open minded group of people and I seriously doubt Tyler is the homophobe you are making him out to be. Basically if I was a homophobic rapper I wouldn't even want gay people to come to my shows, let alone to stand up there on stage with me like their lesbian DJ does.

My opinion is that when it comes to art and music, and offensive word is fair game. Now if I were to sit down and have a totally serious discussion about equality issues with Tyler and he used a word like faggot then I might consider him a homophobe.

When it comes to Tegan and Sara, I read their rant and I thought it was pure sensationalism comparing use of the word faggot to racism and anti-semitism without even taking context into consideration, as far as I am aware Tyler has never made an explicitly anti-homosexuality song. Something I can personally attest to is when you come from a troubled neighbourhood faggot is just another insult, and when you direct that word at somebody, the chances are good you are not actually accusing them of being gay. Maybe I'm a reactionary but I have to admit I actually laughed at Tyler's response.

I don't really let politics influence my music tastes but I would feel extremely uncomfortable listening to something which blatantly promoted anti-gay attitudes.

[Pirate Utopian]

Tyler and Syd were both big fans of Tegan and Sera and even met them at a festival before they posted that article.

[#FF0000]

I listen to more questionable groups than OFWGKTA

[Frank Zapatista]

My opinion is that when it comes to art and music, and offensive word is fair game.
I have a feeling that if it was a white man saying the n-word you wouldn't feel the same way.

[Frank Zapatista]

When it comes to Tegan and Sara, I read their rant and I thought it was pure sensationalism comparing use of the word faggot to racism and anti-semitism without even taking context into consideration
How is it pure sensationalism? Homophobia is just as serious an issue as racism. The context is very clear, he's using the word faggot as an insult.



Something I can personally attest to is when you come from a troubled neighbourhood faggot is just another insult, and when you direct that word at somebody, the chances are good you are not actually accusing them of being gay. Maybe I'm a reactionary but I have to admit I actually laughed at Tyler's response.
I find it disgusting that you laughed at that, it was highly offensive. The usage of the word faggot is not magically changed when you're dealing with troubled neigbourhoods, in these areas you'll also find increased levels of violent homophobia. They're still using it as an insult. Why do they choose that word? They're equating homosexuals with "sissies" or "cowards" depending on the situation they're using it in. They're calling someone a faggot because they're saying the way they're acting is like that of a gay person. Once again, I think your stance would be different if we were talking about the n-word.

[Spawn of Stalin]

My view of white people saying a potentially offensive word like nigger is basically the same as 50 Cent's

_4mu_ip2maw

It depends of who you are and what you mean by it. Personally I don't use that word around even the black people I grew up with, though not necessarily because I avoid that word, I'm 99% sure I've used it in some way shape or form in the past and I've never had any problems with being accused of racism by my friends. I would use it around people I know, but I would never walk up to a random black guy and use it.

So, in the same way that it depends on the context in which Tyler is using these potentially offensive words, I'm absolutely ok with white people dropping n-bombs. In fact I can think of more than a few occasions where Latino rappers have done that in their songs and I haven't even given it a second thought.

[Spawn of Stalin]

How is it pure sensationalism? Homophobia is just as serious an issue as racism. The context is very clear, he's using the word faggot as an insult.
Yes of course it is a serious issue, I agree with that but it has been established that Tyler is not a homophobe....

Basically if I was a homophobic rapper I wouldn't even want gay people to come to my shows, let alone to stand up there on stage with me like their lesbian DJ does.
....do you not agree with this statement?

I find it disgusting that you laughed at that, it was highly offensive. The usage of the word faggot is not magically changed when you're dealing with troubled neigbourhoods, in these areas you'll also find increased levels of violent homophobia.
Homophobia is everywhere, frankly I find it offensive that you think it's more common in lower working class neightbourhoods. I've been called words associated with homophobia by people who know for a fact that I am not gay.

They're still using it as an insult. Why do they choose that word?
It's Hip Hop, you'll find that some Hip Hop is full of insults. Why choose any word? I am not offended when black rappers use words which could be associated by some ignorant people with anti-white racism, that is, unless I know that these black rappers are racists.

They're equating homosexuals with "sissies" or "cowards" depending on the situation they're using it in. They're calling someone a faggot because they're saying the way they're acting is like that of a gay person.
I think you need to actually listen to the lyrics a bit harder before you go making judgement calls. And I don't think that Tyler is so stupid to think that gay people act a certain way

[Spawn of Stalin]

Like I said it depends of your intentions. My girlfriend and I are super racist to each other, we play on British/far eastern stereotypes like every day. Bad intentions? Nope.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

OF and Nas collab
http://www.prefixmag.com/news/odd-future-working-with-nas-pusha-t/53603/

[Chimurenga.]

How is it pure sensationalism? Homophobia is just as serious an issue as racism. The context is very clear, he's using the word faggot as an insult.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faggot

Refer to the first definition. This is exactly how Odd Future and most rappers use the word. There is definitely shock value tied into the usage but they are by no means intentionally insulting LGBT people.

Cry about it.

[Spawn of Stalin]

OF and Nas collab
http://www.prefixmag.com/news/odd-future-working-with-nas-pusha-t/53603/
I don't really like what I've heard from Frank Ocean but this should be cool with Tyler and Hodgy

[bailey_187]

thing is other rappers use faggot all the time and tbh if u asked most their actual views on homosexuality, u would get response like "its not natural blahdiblah"

the differnece is middle class liberals seem to love Odd Future for some reason (e.g. look at the number of Guardian articles they get) so they hear it

Considering that Tyler has said he doesnt have an actual problem with homosexuality and a member of the group is gay, hes one of the less homophobic rappers around because most say faggot and have actual homophobic views (judging from interviews)

[Pirate Utopian]

They're even shooting a video for the Tyler/Pusha song.

http://oddfuturetalk.com/stills-from-pusha-ttyler-videoshoot/

[Pirate Utopian]

http://www.formspring.me/wolfhaley/q/208804594011117199

Aw snap.

[Chimurenga.]

http://www.formspring.me/wolfhaley/q/208804594011117199

Aw snap.

That homophobic bigot!

[Sasha]

well, that kicked some serious ass.
that must have been the most punk "make total destroy" show i seen in a while which is pretty good for an hiphop outfit.
loved tyler crowdsurfing with his broken foot :cool:

[Sasha]

*swagging in an odd future shirt right now*

[Pirate Utopian]

Yeah the show was crazy awesome. Especially when this one girl jumped off the balcony.

I was sweating like fuck. Hodgy Beats crowdsurfed over my head.

[Sasha]

now i still dont know what PU looks like :crying:

[Pirate Utopian]

I was the chubby motherfucker in a red shirt with blue Vans on. With my hair up like some white boy afro, until I started sweating and my hair went down.

Who were you?

[Sasha]

the dude you saw to many times as spokes person for AFA on tv ;)

[cogar66]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GKL_ZoJQjc&feature=player_detailpage

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

[L.A.P.]

I just downloaded that song yesterday.:)

[Pirate Utopian]

Sorry to necromance this thread once again, but....

Tyler won a VMA for best new artist.
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/9549741458/we-did-it-ofwgkta-we-was-broke-nobodies-last