bush is coming to ozzy

[pedro san pedro]

i have been told that bush is to come to oz fairly soon, and is visiting both sydney and canberra (thats the capital right???).
can anyone confirm this?
protests have been scheduled, but i haven't come across a good site on the web -anyone know of one?
will get back if i can find something

[Ian]

I haven't heard anything as of yet, but hopefully we scare him away...

Canberra is the Capital, it's pretty boring...

[IHP]

I also heard something about him coming to Australia. If it's Sydney I might make way up there. Not Canberra though, it's way too boring there.

--IHP

[Ian]

i did some searching http://www.anti-bases.org/ has a thing on their page that says there will be something on in Prince Alfred Park Sunday Oct. 19 2-4pm

[pedro san pedro]

i was given a flyer, which i dont seem to have on my person -naybe i stuck it to the fridge? it said he was definately coming to sydney, but the date was yet to be confirmed. early oct probably. it also mentioned something happening around 7pm.
maybe i should get the flyer.......

whats this on the site about bush and blair getting a noble peace prize?? surley this must be a joke?

[Ian]

I think that was last year

[Hatchet]

Hey
If you find a date, tell me cos i'll make a stencil and spray it up everywhere.

Hatchet

[Pete]

too bad he hates canada so i can't demonstrate against him from here in ottawa.

[Blackberry]

www.vicpeace.org might have something on it.

[Don't Change Your Name]

prepare your sniper rifles

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Didn't Bush wave excessively to Stevie Wonder (blind) at a concert?

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The Noble prize is petty-buergeoise <-- damn hate that word :) So it really doesn&#39;t mean anything.

[Maynard]

Yes he is coming, No dates have been confirmed or an Itinerary set. Though he will be coming a short time after the APRC forum which occurs October 20-21 there will be a Victorian protest will be held outside the State Library, in addition to a national protest outside Parliament House in Canberra. There will be probably be further protests announced once the itinerary set. I hope that helps.


whats this on the site about bush and blair getting a noble peace prize?? surley this must be a joke
No, Harald T. Nesvik, a Right-wing Norwegian Member of Parliament, has nominated U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair and U.S. President George W. Bush for the Nobel Peace Prize for their "decisive action against terrorism. War is peace indeed, though war mongrerers have a history of winning the award. Henry Kissinger and Shimon Peres to name just two.


Didn&#39;t Bush wave excessively to Stevie Wonder (blind) at a concert?
Lol I don&#39;t know, I sure would like to see it though :)

There was an article in the Sydney Morning Herald encouraging protests, so I think that&#39;s the word has already been spread, The more the better.

[RED CHARO]

BUSH, will bee attending some games during the Rugby world cup.....
The games are circuled back at the office......
I think one is U.S v Canada.. (not too sure).
So crazy pete can barick from home

[RED FIRE]

Welcome Australian Comrade,Red Charo

[Maynard]

Are you sure about the Rugby world cup, first off, I doubt he&#39;ll be able to understand ( like most things) the game and secondly isn&#39;t he only here for a few days ?
I don&#39;t think America does play&#39;s when he&#39;d be around and America is not playing Canada they are playing Japan, Fiji, Scotland and France (Grudge match ?) in my town, Wollongong :)

Though Prince Harry is attending some games and undoubtedly our taxes will pay for his corporate box and his security etc.

[Ian]

Rugby bah, I hate that game, it&#39;s for dickheads

[IHP]

Yes. Yes it is.

Speaking of Prince Harry&#39;s visit. Don&#39;t you think it was funny that they thought he is a target for &#39;terrorists&#39; and how much of a security problem he might have. Then on the front page of the newspaper they have a photo and the town of the farm he will be working on. I thought that was a little odd.

[Ian]

Apparentely the Prince Alfred Park one is going to be small, the one that is meant to be big is one of those emergency ones, the ones where they say 5.30 pm on the day he arrives.

[RED CHARO]

RUGBY KILLZ IT..........
As for my Bush as the game, I called up the office & there not sure if he will attend a match&#33;

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Give Bush a napalm greeting from me...
Or failing that a bucketfull of red ants in his pants.

PS: Rugby 0wnz&#33; it&#39;s a real man&#39;s game. You get to push over the other team and shower with your teammates&#33;

[Ian]

http://www.stopdubya.org/



BTW I hope Penrith kicks the shit out of the roosters... it is the embodiment of the class struggle :D

[Blackberry]

He&#39;s coming to Australia on October 23rd. He&#39;s going to speak to a joint-sitting of Parliament.

On the next day, the Chinese President will also address a joint-sitting of Parliament.

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[Ian]

Hopefully some parties boycott, I&#39;m hoping the Australian Democrats and the Greens, but they might be too polite... you know how they are... :rolleyes:

I&#39;m gonna be going to the protests

[RED CHARO]

Fuck the greens ...
I used to vote for them, untill they helped kiick the Socialists out of the anti - war stuff ........ I never used to think about the Democrats, but they have my 2nd reference now......

[Ian]

I hate them also, but if they don&#39;t boycott the joint sitting of parliament I will utterly despise them.

[Beccie]

I thought dubya was coming here to sleep?&#33;? :huh:

Apparently Simon Crean has warned his MPs not to insult dubya because he had heard that his backbench were planning on turning there backs to bush when he address parliament. Most of the Democrat party are not going except for Andrew Bartlett, Lyn Allison and Natasha Stott Despoja and they will all be wearing white armbands as a form of protest.

I read that in the age yesterday.

[Ian]

Uhh that was a joke on CNNNN...


He&#39;ll be here for a day or 2 and maybe only visit Syndey for a few hours.


http://www.stopdubya.org/images/howard_monkey_right_facing_crop.jpg :wub: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_simian.jpg

[Palmares]

Ian You made Johnny too big.

Does anyone know if these protests will be very big? In Tassie there will be a probably medium sized (for Tassie) protest on the 23rd (or the day he arrives - if changed) at Franklin Square. I doubt I&#39;ll go, too much of a bother consider how much fucking homework I have to do.

Are there many protests outside of Canberra and Sydney?

[Ian]

I don&#39;t know, hopefully they are big.

[Rastafari]

I read the title and thought Bush was coming to Ozzfest&#33;

[Ian]

I wish Ozzfest came insted of Dubya... :(

[Invader Zim]

leave some claymoor mines in his pretsils...

[Ian]

Cthenthar, check out www.stopdubya.org , they advertise the protests, but some aren&#39;t really shown, the ones organised by the CPA and the CPA (ML) aren&#39;t advertised prominentely.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 10:01 PM
I read the title and thought Bush was coming to Ozzfest&#33;
lol funny but last years ozzfest (2002) some white house interns actually went to an ozzfest in the washington area. and Ozzy went to the white house too.

[Ian]

Well Ozzy wouldn&#39;t remember, I forgive him :)

[Palmares]

AAARRRGGGHHHH&#33;&#33;&#33; Dubya is arriving on the 22nd&#33; MY BIRTHDAY&#33;&#33;&#33;

I HATE THAT FASCIST&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

[IHP]

Did you hear that Dubya&#39;s coming here for two reasons?

1. To thank us for our contribution to his imperialist war in Iraq.

2. He heard Australia&#39;s "a little bit like Texas."

The man&#39;s a dope.

[RED CHARO]

Buses leave from Sydney for Canberra, early, early on Thursday 23...... :redstar2000:

[Ian]

Texas must really suck

Sorry to hear he is gonna ruin your birthday Chris... Hopefully we will ruin his stay...

[Rastafari]

and posting in a public forum is just the way to do it&#33;

[Ian]

Well yeah when we are talking about a protest, then yes, a public forum is a good place to talk about it.

[Metanoia]

I find it rediculous for little Johnnie Howard to meet with the leader of the Us and China, but he refused to meet the Dhali Lama.

Doesn&#39;t look like there are any protests for my state, but if I could I&#39;d be with you in Sydney. :angry:

[Ian]

Err... Dalai Lama is not worthy of anyone&#39;s time in my opinion, he is a homophobe and has done a lot of bad things, he is not some kind of man of peace. He also refuses to reveal who he supported in WW2, although it is said to be the Germans as he spent WW2 in the company of a SS officer called Heinrich Harrer (sound familiar? He wrote &#39;Seven Years in Tibet&#39; which pushed the lie that Tibet was a shangri-la before the Chinese invaded)

Read this article (http://www.workers.org/ww/2003/edit1002.php)

Here is an article one comrade posted her or on another board once.

Free Tibet ?
by Evan Roberts
"The people of Tibet and their nonviolent struggle are crucial for all peoples. The Tibetans will not resort to guns or bombs. It is nonviolence in its purest and most essential form." -website of the Milarepa Fund
"More than 500,000 pounds - 250 tons - of...military gear...were dropped by the CIA to the Tibetan resistance forces from 1957 to 1961." - former CIA agent John Kenneth Knaus, in his book Orphans of the Cold War
"Only deities that are recognized by the [Dalai Lama&#39;s] government may be worshipped. Worshipping deities that are not recognized by the government is against the law." -Tibetan exile politician Tashi Angdu

Organizations and individuals throughout the world have called on the US and other governments to pressure the Chinese government to get out of Tibet. And they have promoted the image of pre-1950s Tibet as a land of mystical harmony under the benevolent rule of the god-king known as the Dalai Lama.
There are two problems with this. The smaller problem is the glorification of a bunch of feudal serf-owners and theocrats. The bigger problem is looking to the US government to force China out of Tibet thereby giving cover for Washington&#39;s moves towards a military confrontation with China. The strange affair of Dorje Shugden One peculiar scandal involving the Tibetan government-in-exile headed by the Dalai Lama helps cut through the layers of myth to the underlying reality.

Dorje Shugden is a once-respectable Tibetan Buddhist god. But now the Dalai Lama says anyone who worships him is aiding the Chinese Communist occupiers of Tibet. Those who persist in the worship of Shugden have been driven out of Tibetan exile communities, beaten, their possessions destroyed. Three monks have been killed in this dispute.

Wall posters and newspaper ads egg on the vigilantes. The Tibetan government-in-exile rules that no follower of Shugden may be a government official. The Dalai Lama writes to the abbot of Seramey Monastery, "Should anyone continue to believe in the deity Dorje Shugden, make a list with his name, address, birth place...keep the original and send a copy to us."

Yet somehow Tibet&#39;s former feudal elite retain their image as pacifist defenders of religious freedom -- against ‘godless totalitarianism’ of the Chinese Revolution, of course.

Fall 1950 - the Chinese army crosses the Yangtze river into the territory ruled by the Dalai Lama. Whether these lands were legally part of China or an independent country has been endlessly debated. The Tibetan army was unable to put up an effective fight due to its out-of-date organization and methods. (Most of its soldiers were peasants doing their corvee. What&#39;s corvee, you ask? Here&#39;s how the American Heritage Dictionary defines it: "1.Labor exacted by a local authority for little or no pay or instead of taxes and used especially in the maintenance of roads. 2. A day of unpaid work required of a vassal by his feudal lord.

Social structure:
As David Patt - an admirer of the old Tibet - admits in his book A Strange Liberation, "Unquestionably the political power in the country was held by two major groups: a collection of aristocratic families or clans, and the monastic establishment....The aristocracy and the monasteries owned huge estates, usually received as patronage from the central government. Many small peasants owned their own plots, but many also worked the land of the great estates, owned by the monasteries and leading families. A taxation system which demanded payment to the local authority, either in grain or free labor, kept such peasant families bound to their estates and deep in debt."
In general, Asian countries did not go through exactly the same stages of social evolution as Europe did. But the similarity of Patt&#39;s description to Europe in the Middle Ages is striking.

Even the arguments used to justify this system only confirm its feudal character:
Even the children of poor families could become monks and hope to climb up through the religious hierarchy. --Yes, just as in medieval Europe the Church was the main route for moving up in the class system. The Dalai Lama began some reforms after 1950. --Yes, just as the French aristocrats gave up some of their privileges, hoping to keep the Revolution from taking them all.

The Tibetan peasants were so religious they were glad to work to support the monasteries. --If they were so glad to support the monasteries, why was it necessary to compel them to work under penalty of law? And pre-1959 Tibetan justice was no pacifist affair. Floggings and whippings were common. Another punishment was gouging out the offenders&#39; eyeballs. The nobility had judicial power over their own peasants. If the peasants were born poor and deprived, it was punishment for their sins in past lives. --I don&#39;t intend to debate theology, but this argument could be used to justify any kind of oppression - even the abuses of the Chinese occupation. After all, the Beijing regime could just as easily claim that anyone who suffers at its hands is also being punished by the gods for their own bad karma.
"No country is allowed to invade, occupy, annex, and colonize another country just because its social structure does not please it." --Now this is a real point. It could well be applied to the many wars carried out by Washington in order to prevent or reverse anti-capitalist revolutions. And I don&#39;t intend to justify the Chinese occupation --it was up to Tibetans to make a revolution in Tibet.
Still, from the beginning the Chinese government and army had a destabilizing effect in Tibet. There were the smaller ways, such as paying workers for road construction instead of pressing them into traditional unpaid serf labor. Or ruling that students in the Chinese-run schools didn&#39;t have to do corvee labor for their feudal lords.
But the greatest was the impact of the People&#39;s Liberation Army, which started as a peasant guerilla army and in the years immediately after the 1949 victory of the revolution, was still not so far from that origin.

What&#39;s more, rebellions were growing among Tibetans and other non-Chinese peoples in regions bordering the Dalai Lama&#39;s realm. The Chinese government was carrying out land reform and other social transformations in these neighboring regions, enraging feudal lords and their followers. By 1956, the CIA had agreed --at the request of the Dalai Lama&#39;s exiled brothers-- to assist these rebels. Knaus says "monks constituted more than half of the resistance force" - another illustration of the limits of Buddhist pacifism. Refugees from conflicts in the border regions fled to central Tibet, further destabilizing the Dalai Lama&#39;s realm.