what do you think of the New People's Army(NPA)?

[RedMarxist]

What are your opinions on the NPA in the Philippines? Does anyone think that they are "terrorists"? Communist heroes fighting against reactionary oppression? Neither?

I've been following the developments of that war for a while now and it seems to me that they're not all bad. I do think, seeing as how their current government is, that communism could be a good thing for the island.

I wonder how the west will react if they win? Invasion maybe? idk. My hope is that it will become a communist democracy(not like China or Cuba...they make us look like freedom-haters) Of course their website says they believe in freedom and democracy, women rights(yet of course they want to look good in the eyes of the people, so yet again idk)

On a side note the Naxalites are winning in India since 2008 according to recent news reports I found. They have according to wikipedia three times the amount of soldiers that the government has, and are trained by the NPA. Their labeled as no good terrorists too, and seeing their track record I can't blame the Indian government. Wonder how a communist India would turn out...

Anyways, feel free to discuss this with me/voice your opinions.


Workers Of The World, Unite!

[Yazman]

I personally support the NPA, although they are not really winning their struggle and have way too many elements to deal with (foreign troops - yes there are foreign troops involved in operations despite what the US and Australia might say they are doing there "oh we're just training") at the moment. Mind you they do seem to be expanding and have been doing stuff in the rural Visayas, and it needs to be stressed that the base of support they do have is pretty much strictly rural.

From my experiences living in the western Visayas (Iloilo City) they do not have much urban support there and in fact there are many people, even workers, who see them as a threat. So in the urban Visayas they definitely have a PR battle to be won, which seems to be a bit of an uphill battle at the moment. This is also not to mention that due to the abundance of militias in Mindanao they are often spoken of in the same sentences as groups like Abu Sayyaf, which if you don't know who they are, lets just say its a very bad thing. One of the problems here is that there's nowhere near enough information about them available and so like I said they definitely have a PR struggle to be won in the Visayas at least. They seem to have a bit of success every now and then but it seems like 2 steps forward, 1 step back as every action by a reactionary militia in Mindanao affects the NPA's image negatively whether we want it to or not.

Mind you I never spent much time in Luzon and never even been to Mindanao so I can't speak for those regions, maybe somebody else can give some light on them.

[Aspiring Humanist]

>communist and China said in the same breath
my brain is full of fuck

Also I looked up the wiki article, it just has 50,000 central police listed which shows they don't really consider the Naxals a threat. In reserve the indians have over a million troops and the naxals have 100,000 militia. The only way communists will take india is if theres a coup which i don't see happening

[red cat]

What are your opinions on the NPA in the Philippines? Does anyone think that they are "terrorists"? Communist heroes fighting against reactionary oppression? Neither?

I've been following the developments of that war for a while now and it seems to me that they're not all bad. I do think, seeing as how their current government is, that communism could be a good thing for the island.

I wonder how the west will react if they win? Invasion maybe? idk. My hope is that it will become a communist democracy(not like China or Cuba...they make us look like freedom-haters) Of course their website says they believe in freedom and democracy, women rights(yet of course they want to look good in the eyes of the people, so yet again idk)

On a side note the Naxalites are winning in India since 2008 according to recent news reports I found. They have according to wikipedia three times the amount of soldiers that the government has, and are trained by the NPA.

The NPA is the military wing of the PKP, the only true communist party in the Philippines. They are the proletarian vanguard leading the Filipino masses from victory to victory. Imperialism has already reacted by sending troops into the Philippines, and being at the crest of the world-revolutionary wave, the NPA will have to fight a prolonged war for the revolutionary masses to seize power completely.

Filipino and Indian communists have been close comrades for a long time. Members of the PKP were present when the CPI(Maoist) was officially formed. They are known to share political and military knowledge and experience regularly with each other. Both are labeled as terrorists because nothing is more of a terror to imperialism than a true communist government coming to power anywhere in the world.


Their labeled as no good terrorists too, and seeing their track record I can't blame the Indian government. Wonder how a communist India would turn out...

Anyways, feel free to discuss this with me/voice your opinions.


Workers Of The World, Unite!

What have you seen in their track record ?

[RedMarxist]

their track record(spec. the Indian Maoists):

On 7 October, Naxalites attempted derailment of Triveni express ,a train of Singrauli-Bareilly route, by removing 4 fishplates and 42 sleeper clips.

On 12 September, Naxalites killed 3 policemen and took 4 more hostage in an ambush in Chhattisgarh

On 28 May the derailment of a Kolkata–Mumbai night train killed at least 150 persons. Maoists were responsible for the sabotage which caused the disaster


among other things.

Despite this, I don't see them as true terrorists, as it seems to me that mostly they only try to attack military targets, this is just some of their rather unsavory targets.

I remember seeing a quote from an Indian prime minister that the government as of '08 is losing the war. I think the government sees them as a big threat. 50,000 central security forces to their 100,000 Militia? They must just have a chance.

Oh, and where is your source that the US and others are providing troops to fight the Maoist insurgency in the Philippines?

When I meant 'Communist' China/Cuba I was merely referring to them by how one would usually refer to them as, esp. in the media. They have a CP and have socialist elements in their nations(I'm well aware why you'd object to me calling them communist)

To me, they are only semi-communist. But they call themselves communist, so why not refer to them as such?

[red cat]

their track record(spec. the Indian Maoists):

On 7 October, Naxalites attempted derailment of Triveni express ,a train of Singrauli-Bareilly route, by removing 4 fishplates and 42 sleeper clips.

On 12 September, Naxalites killed 3 policemen and took 4 more hostage in an ambush in Chhattisgarh

On 28 May the derailment of a Kolkata–Mumbai night train killed at least 150 persons. Maoists were responsible for the sabotage which caused the disaster


among other things.

Despite this, I don't see them as true terrorists, as it seems to me that mostly they only try to attack military targets, this is just some of their rather unsavory targets.

I remember seeing a quote from an Indian prime minister that the government as of '08 is losing the war. I think the government sees them as a big threat. 50,000 central security forces to their 100,000 Militia? They must just have a chance.

Oh, and where is your source that the US and others are providing troops to fight the Maoist insurgency in the Philippines?

When I meant 'Communist' China/Cuba I was merely referring to them by how one would usually refer to them as, esp. in the media. They have a CP and have socialist elements in their nations(I'm well aware why you'd object to me calling them communist)

To me, they are only semi-communist. But they call themselves communist, so why not refer to them as such?

It is nice to see that you have faith in the Indian CP despite believing the accusations made against it by the bourgeois press. But this is something very important that you should keep in mind from now on: communists do not engage in terrorist activities that harm the masses. Most of the accusations made against the Indian communists are utterly false, a few are accidents. For example, the train derailment that killed around 150 people was actually done by a certain parliamentary revisionist party, and not the Maoists. So, make sure that you always refer to multiple sources before you believe in such reports.

Search the website of the PKP well, and you will see their reports on American soldiers in the Philippines.

[a rebel]

Anyone who goes up against any govt. is branded a terrorist, and when the world cries "terrorist" the U.S comes running to help. I doubt the NPA or Indians have a chance unless the whole country goes up in arms.

[RedMarxist]

according to recent news as of March the Indian Communists are seeking to extend the people's war by turning factories and other facilities into barracks(I believe I read this on this very forum) and the Indian government is deeply alarmed. Also, according to the NPA official website, they are seeking to advance the stage of the protracted people's war to "strategic stalemate" stage. They call on all Filipinos to support their cause(I wonder if, due to the smaller size of their nation, that they can beat back the government forces and claim victory)


I wish I was a part of that cause instead of being stuck here in the southern United States, the most reactionary part of the country. Hopefully one day the Philippines and India can be liberated, and become Maoist states. A Maoist India and Philippines would really piss of Washington. :lol:

And now I leave you with one question: Do you think that the Maoists in those two nations have even the least bit chance to win? Please post your opinions below.

[red cat]

And now I leave you with one question: Do you think that the Maoists in those two nations have even the least bit chance to win? Please post your opinions below.

Maoist victory in India within a few decades seems certain. The revolutions in smaller countries like Nepal, Bangladesh, the Philippines etc. will probably go through a prolonged period of strategic equilibrium or guerrilla warfare against imperialist forces until imperialism is weakened substantially by fighting the Indian revolution.

[Sickle-A]

Maoist victory in India within a few decades seems certain. The revolutions in smaller countries like Nepal, Bangladesh, the Philippines etc. will probably go through a prolonged period of strategic equilibrium or guerrilla warfare against imperialist forces until imperialism is weakened substantially by fighting the Indian revolution.

What makes you think it is certain? While the movement is certainly growing and they've had solid victories in recent years, what is different now that will prevent them from going into another lull like they did in the 70s?

[red cat]

What makes you think it is certain? While the movement is certainly growing and they've had solid victories in recent years, what is different now that will prevent them from going into another lull like they did in the 70s?

The CPI(Maoist) is a product of intense and continuous application of the mass-line for decades. Therefore, all known political and military methods used to crush communist movements so far fail before it.