Blink 182

[commieboy]

I started listening to them about three years ago....now i've got all their albums...i like their music i know the words to like every song....but what pisses me off is that they've sold out to hurley and like audios, etc.

[Jesus Christ]

meh

[ComradeJunichi]

I hate Blink 182, but I used to listen to them around 5-6 years ago. I can't stand them anymore though, but hey, everyones tastes changes.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

hmm, boring <_<

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 10:59 PM
I started listening to them about three years ago....now i&#39;ve got all their albums...i like their music i know the words to like every song....but what pisses me off is that they&#39;ve sold out to hurley and like audios, etc.
You need to go out and listen to some real punk, not shite like Blink 182.
Start with:
The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Neurotics
X
Damned
Bad Religion
Subhumans
Citizen Fish
Conflict
TSOL
Stiff Little Fingers
Ramones
Redskins
Chumbawamba
DOA
Germs
MDC
Minor Threat
Husker Du
Social Distortion
The Pogues
Propaghandi
Nomeansno
Sham 69
Black Flag
Slime
Anhrefn

That should keep you busy.

[El Brujo]

Oh god. Ive always abhored them, even when I only listened to mainstream music. Basically, get you&#39;re hands on some old-school punk, oi&#33; and hardcore. Those are my two cents.

[FatFreeMilk]

:lol: OMG I used to be like the biggest Blink 182 fan like back in 6th grade. :P I had the little patch on my backpack and the the blink bunny t shirt and all that stupid shit. I&#39;m so glad I grew out of that on my own. All their new music sucks. I can only tolerate the buddah cd now :huh:

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by celtopunk+Sep 20 2003, 09:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (celtopunk @ Sep 20 2003, 09:19 PM)
[email protected] 20 2003, 10:59 PM
I started listening to them about three years ago....now i&#39;ve got all their albums...i like their music i know the words to like every song....but what pisses me off is that they&#39;ve sold out to hurley and like audios, etc.
You need to go out and listen to some real punk, not shite like Blink 182.
Start with:
The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Neurotics
Damned
Bad Religion
Ramones
Redskins
Chumbawamba-Didn&#39;t theyy play that one song? Are they punk?
DOA
Minor Threat
Husker Du
The Pogues-Fucking Eh man. They played at the london Fleadh
Propaghandi-Never liked &#39;em

That should keep you busy. [/b]
Modifired your list pal.

Needed some work, but most of it is solid stuff

[canikickit]

The Pogues? Punk?

[Fabi]

Why do you need to listen to all that pseudo-rebellious, totally traditional and conservative music anyway? (I am talking about punk rock, btw... :ph34r: )

[truthaddict11]

Rastafari, Chumbawamba has been around since the
80s they have for than "Tubthumping" going for them.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by Rastafari+Sep 22 2003, 10:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rastafari @ Sep 22 2003, 10:36 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 09:19 PM

[email protected] 20 2003, 10:59 PM
I started listening to them about three years ago....now i&#39;ve got all their albums...i like their music i know the words to like every song....but what pisses me off is that they&#39;ve sold out to hurley and like audios, etc.
You need to go out and listen to some real punk, not shite like Blink 182.
Start with:
The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Neurotics
Damned
Bad Religion
Ramones
Redskins
Chumbawamba-Didn&#39;t theyy play that one song? Are they punk?
DOA
Minor Threat
Husker Du
The Pogues-Fucking Eh man. They played at the london Fleadh
Propaghandi-Never liked &#39;em

That should keep you busy.
Modifired your list pal.

Needed some work, but most of it is solid stuff [/b]
Pick up Pictures of Starving Children or Never Mind the Ballots by Chumbawamba and tell me they aren&#39;t punk. They still are lyrically just not so much musically.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 10:42 PM
The Pogues? Punk?
Fuck yeah&#33; Way more so than Blink 182 (the punk equivalent of the back street boys). Shane MacGowan is punk as fuck&#33;&#33;&#33;

[canikickit]

Bah, they&#39;re closer to being a traditional Irish band than a punk group. If you want to talk about an attitude then the tooithless wonder certainly is punk, but not really musically. Well...ah, who cares?

[dopediana]

i used to like good charlotte. till i figured out they were pop-punk. not really punk. same with blink. i do like some of their songs though. fun shit. but as far as depth with issues go, they&#39;re very glacial. and some of the lyrics are atrocious.

"my room is boarded up.
reminds me of the time i dropped a cup
of apple juice"


PURE FUCKING SHAKESPEARE&#33;

[YKTMX]

They are crap.

[commieboy]

i have no specific interest, i love all differnt kinds of music...
Bob and Ziggy marley are some of my favs...with jimmy cliff on the side. then the who, the stones, beatles (PAUL&#33;&#33;) the sex pistols, blink, GC, sum 41, simple plan....

the temptations...four tops

Andrea buccicli (Not the right spelling*) The worlds best opera singer

tupac is my only favorite Hip hop artist, and R kelly, Snoop dog is just a funny ass guy.

Andrew WK

and some guy on saw on the country channel called, "Cledius T. Judd"

You name it, i listen to it....i love all kinds of music

[Fabi]

i dont believe you. ;) there is a lot of stuff people dont even consider music... and pretty much hate it, too....

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 01:32 AM
Bah, they&#39;re closer to being a traditional Irish band than a punk group. If you want to talk about an attitude then the tooithless wonder certainly is punk, but not really musically. Well...ah, who cares?
The Pogues were the first to blend Irish trad with punk. Before forming the Pogues many of the members had been in punk bands too so they brought that experience with them. Listen to Red Roses for Me, Rum Sodomy and songs like Bottle of Smoke and tell me that&#39;s not punk&#33; Plus the live shows were something else. And if we are comparing to crap like blink 182 how can you even say the Pogues weren&#39;t punk.

[Funky Monk]

I still argue that Blink are perfectly listenable to when you are in the mood for them. Sure they aree not real music, sure they sold out but still alright in moderation. And on nights out when you are having a good time.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Everything I have ever heard from the MTV "punks" has sucked unbelievably...

I hear from people now and then how the early, pre-fame albums from Blink--for example--are supposed to be good. These people generally have a decent taste is music? Has anyone heard the early albums? Did they suck less before?

[FatFreeMilk]

Yeah I have the blink buddah cd. That&#39;s like wayyy old. It&#39;s long before they sold out so it just sounds better. It&#39;s definitely more "punk" and less pop. They were better pre enema of the state.

[RAGING BULL]

The Buddah cd is only 9 years. Yes, it&#39;s more punk than the two last albums, but it&#39;s still awful.

[Invader Zim]

Well I used to love them... but I realise now their are so many better bands, but Buddah and Cheshire Cat are good. I still occasionally listen to their stuff, for a laugh simply because its funny.

[Edelweiss]

C&#39;mon people, I know in secret you all still LOVE Blink182&#33; Admit it&#33; :D

[Sabocat]

The Blink Street Boys? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Urban Rubble]

All these kids that think Blink was more "punk" before the MTV days are the same kids who think that the Vandals are punk.

Blink is pop punk, they always have been.

Sum 41, Simple Plan and GOOD CHARLOTTE ? Are you serious ? I won&#39;t even comment.

[ElRuso1967]

Blink 182 suck in my opinion :P

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 30 2003, 05:52 AM
All these kids that think Blink was more "punk" before the MTV days are the same kids who think that the Vandals are punk.

Blink is pop punk, they always have been.

Sum 41, Simple Plan and GOOD CHARLOTTE ? Are you serious ? I won&#39;t even comment.
Blink is pop punk, they always have been.

Apart from the fact that they wernt popular, so by definition you talk shit?..?

but your not necessarily wrong that they sucked.

the only good line they ever did: -

What&#39;s happening in this world, I don&#39;t care at all
but it better not pre-empt Monday Night Football
I can&#39;t even come up with my own views
I&#39;m taught how to think from the evening news, oh

I never dreamed that I&#39;d spend my days
staring at some tube emitting cathode rays
I need my TV

[Silent Eye]

Blink is awful, but Good Charlotte is the newest thing. Its incredible, all these new bands sound exactly the same, with a whiney singer and three power chord songs. Boring.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

all the "punk" out today sucks.they have no talent.i could play guitar better then those stupid fuckers and i&#39;ve barely picked up a god damn guitar.ramones forever&#33;

[Urban Rubble]

Apart from the fact that they wernt popular, so by definition you talk shit?..?

Alright Douche Bag, if you think the only defining factor of pop music is that it&#39;s popular, then you can just fuck right off.

Blink is funny, they are probably cool guys. However, they aren&#39;t punk rockers. They are teeny bopper pop punks.

[ComradeJunichi]

What do you mean "punk today sucks".

You obviously haven&#39;t listened to any punk.


Anyway, punks know what punk is so they don&#39;t bother with the idiots.

Oi&#33; Oi&#33; Oi&#33;

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I don&#39;t really care what type of punk, it all sucks to me. Especialy emo.

Punk, in my opinion, is a joke the British decided on to play on Americans. They all got together and said, "I bet Americans are so stupid, we can make millions from them if we can just record about 2 notes being played over and over and over while some agressive musicians shouts undeciphrable lyrics and beat their drums as hard as they possibly can." :lol:

they were right

later on American recoring companies decided to cash in on this.

later the Gap said "I bet Americans are so stupid, we can make millions from them if we convince them that in order to hate people who buy our clothes, they must buy clothes from a store called Hot Topic. We will open this store in every shopping mall in America and try to appeal to those suckers who listen to punk. Hahahaha we are geniuses&#33;"

[ComradeJunichi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 01:04 AM
I don&#39;t really care what type of punk, it all sucks to me. Especialy emo.

Punk, in my opinion, is a joke the British decided on to play on Americans. They all got together and said, "I bet Americans are so stupid, we can make millions from them if we can just record about 2 notes being played over and over and over while some agressive musicians shouts undeciphrable lyrics and beat their drums as hard as they possibly can." :lol:

they were right

later on American recoring companies decided to cash in on this.

later the Gap said "I bet Americans are so stupid, we can make millions from them if we convince them that in order to hate people who buy our clothes, they must buy clothes from a store called Hot Topic. We will open this store in every shopping mall in America and try to appeal to those suckers who listen to punk. Hahahaha we are geniuses&#33;"
What the fuck are you talking about?

First of all, have you even heard any punk? Second, emo is not a category of punk. Emo just sucks.

Punk is not "aggressive shouting". *rollseyes* Go listen to it before you talk shit about it - bullshit about it.


Pretty sad how horribly the term punk has been changed.

[BXs Prophet]

<_< CORNY

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I&#39;m referring to the crap I&#39;ve heard on the radio. I&#39;m certainly not going to spend any money on CDs of anyone associated with punk. If all I&#39;ve heard is "pop-punk", then I&#39;ll assume that it holds some similarity actual punk. In which case, I don&#39;t want to listen to any of it. I just don&#39;t think that punk rockers understand what music is. Shouting loudly is very liberating and releaves a lot of pent up anger, but it does not need to be recorded, please.

[ComradeJunichi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 01:23 AM
I&#39;m referring to the crap I&#39;ve heard on the radio. I&#39;m certainly not going to spend any money on CDs of anyone associated with punk. If all I&#39;ve heard is "pop-punk", then I&#39;ll assume that it holds some similarity actual punk. In which case, I don&#39;t want to listen to any of it. I just don&#39;t think that punk rockers understand what music is. Shouting loudly is very liberating and releaves a lot of pent up anger, but it does not need to be recorded, please.
Man, what in the bloody fucking world are you talking about?

First of all, you don&#39;t hear punk on the Radio. Second, pop punk has nothing to do with punk.

I just don&#39;t think that punk rockers understand what music is. Shouting loudly is very liberating and releaves a lot of pent up anger, but it does not need to be recorded, please.

What the fuck are you talking about? It&#39;s obvious YOU don&#39;t understand what punk music is about, since you&#39;ve said yourself. So how are you able to say "punkers don&#39;t know what music is about" when you don&#39;t know punk is yourself. How hypocritical *rollseyes* Punk is not always shouting and screaming. You&#39;ve never heard anything related to punk. It&#39;s quite sad and frankly I&#39;m piped up to beat the fuck out of you for no reason except that. But that&#39;s just me :P

Next time I hope you&#39;re smart enough to know what you&#39;re talking about. :rolleyes:

[Vinny Rafarino]

VC.


You have not made an accurate description of British Punk. I suggest you check these bands out mate.


The Clash
The Jam
The Buzzcocks
Generation X
The Rich Kids
The Damned
Stiff Little Fingers
The Gun Club (Not British but brilliant enough to name here)
The Stranglers
The Police
The Ruts
The Adicts

That should hold you over for a bit.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 01:04 AM
I don&#39;t really care what type of punk, it all sucks to me. Especialy emo.

Punk, in my opinion, is a joke the British decided on to play on Americans. They all got together and said, "I bet Americans are so stupid, we can make millions from them if we can just record about 2 notes being played over and over and over while some agressive musicians shouts undeciphrable lyrics and beat their drums as hard as they possibly can." :lol:

they were right

later on American recoring companies decided to cash in on this.

later the Gap said "I bet Americans are so stupid, we can make millions from them if we convince them that in order to hate people who buy our clothes, they must buy clothes from a store called Hot Topic. We will open this store in every shopping mall in America and try to appeal to those suckers who listen to punk. Hahahaha we are geniuses&#33;"
Yes if only all music was like Deep Purple and Queen and all live shows included extended guitar solos and drum solos, and the singers all had long flowing hair. Wouldn&#39;t that be great?

I think I&#39;m going to turn on the "classic rock" station so I can hear some Led Zeppelin, Lynrd Skynrd and maybe if I&#39;m really lucky some Yes. I want to hear a 20 minute keyboard solo by Rick Wakeman, or perhaps some Emerson Lake and Palmer or some other "supergroups".

[Sasafrás]

I don&#39;t like Blink, I don&#39;t like punk. There.

~ Shayla :)

[ComradeJunichi]

Have you heard punk, is the question. :P

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 09:11 PM
Have you heard punk, is the question. :P
Well... :huh:

Somewhat.. I&#39;ve heard a few things... I guess I can&#39;t really say that I don&#39;t like it, but I guess I can say that I dig other things more, you know? Like, everybody here should know by now that my favorite type of music is, like, Latin. Then worldbeat. Then jazz, hip-hop, and soul (the latter 3 in no particular order).

I&#39;m really open-minded about music, but I don&#39;t see punk as a type of music that I could sit around and listen to, you know? It&#39;s all right, I guess.

I mean, I&#39;d fucking love to go to a punk show and kick it with the white kids&#33; :lol:

But, as far as buying some punk CDs and stuff, No, I doubt it.

~ Shayla :P

[ComradeJunichi]

Originally posted by Sasafr?+Oct 1 2003, 02:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sasafr? @ Oct 1 2003, 02:22 AM)
[email protected] 30 2003, 09:11 PM
Have you heard punk, is the question. :P
Well... :huh:

Somewhat.. I&#39;ve heard a few things... I guess I can&#39;t really say that I don&#39;t like it, but I guess I can say that I dig other things more, you know? Like, everybody here should know by now that my favorite type of music is, like, Latin. Then worldbeat. Then jazz, hip-hop, and soul (the latter 3 in no particular order).

I&#39;m really open-minded about music, but I don&#39;t see punk as a type of music that I could sit around and listen to, you know? It&#39;s all right, I guess.

I mean, I&#39;d fucking love to go to a punk show and kick it with the white kids&#33; :lol:

But, as far as buying some punk CDs and stuff, No, I doubt it.

~ Shayla :P [/b]
I wasn&#39;t really addressing the question to you, I was addressing it to everyone who keeps posting about "punk".

First, punk doesn&#39;t come in CD&#39;s and when it does it&#39;s only the legendary that is bought and sold.

Second, you haven&#39;t answered my question if you were replying to it. Have you actually heard punk?

I listen to punk every single day, all the time. I also am open-minded in music; I love jazz and classical the most, and then choir.

Have any of you even listened to punk? :rolleyes:

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 09:35 PM
Second, you haven&#39;t answered my question if you were replying to it. Have you actually heard punk?

I did.. I said I&#39;ve heard a few things... :blink:

[Rastafari]

I think you&#39;ll find that most people here have a good taste, talentwise.

Either way, I give this thread 8 posts until a fight starts :)

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 10:10 PM
I give this thread 8 posts until a fight starts :)
Betwixt whom, my dear boy?

[ComradeJunichi]

Originally posted by Sasafrás+Oct 1 2003, 02:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sasafrás @ Oct 1 2003, 02:41 AM)
[email protected] 30 2003, 09:35 PM
Second, you haven&#39;t answered my question if you were replying to it. Have you actually heard punk?

I did.. I said I&#39;ve heard a few things... :blink: [/b]
You can easily say you&#39;ve heard "a few things" but be misunderstood with the term Punk. That&#39;s why I asked, have you actually heard punk.

So tell me, what were those "few things"?


Before you misunderstand my post again, I am not picking a fight. I&#39;m simply asking to correct you [if you are incorrect] on what Punk is and isn&#39;t.

[FatFreeMilk]

What makes punk music "punk" ? and what do you have to do or beleive in to be "punk"? there are so many kids at my school that claim to be "punk rockers" but yet they have Justin Timberlake and britney spears in their cd cases :huh:

[ComradeJunichi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 10:38 PM
What makes punk music "punk" ? and what do you have to do or beleive in to be "punk"? there are so many kids at my school that claim to be "punk rockers" but yet they have Justin Timberlake and britney spears in their cd cases :huh:
Very good question, I think the "Punk" line is a big, broad, general, and blurred line.

Many people will say "anyone can be punk, it doesn&#39;t matter", but I think it does. Punk isn&#39;t a bunch of safety pins, baggy pants (i&#39;ve seen this before), and what not. Punk is KNOWING what punk music is, punk is knowing where punk came from, punk is...well, I don&#39;t know how to explain. When you&#39;re punk, you&#39;re punk. Punks know who punks are and who aren&#39;t.

It&#39;s pretty hard to explain, but easy to know.

[Urban Rubble]

Oh my God Victor, how can you be so ignorant. You&#39;ve obviously never examined punk rock whatsoever, why comment on something you have no knowledge of whatsoever ?

You even used the "It&#39;s just people screaming and playing fast" argument.

I don&#39;t even want to get into this topic, it&#39;s been done far too much. Victor, you should really not comment on things it&#39;s fairly obvious you don&#39;t know much about. Not trying to be a dick. There are punks that can play their instruments as good as any classic rock band. There is great punk that is melodic. Punk is many things, you have managed to miss them all.

[ComradeJunichi]

Exactly, Urban, exactly.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 09:04 PM
I don&#39;t really care what type of punk, it all sucks to me. Especialy emo.

Punk, in my opinion, is a joke the British decided on to play on Americans. They all got together and said, "I bet Americans are so stupid, we can make millions from them if we can just record about 2 notes being played over and over and over while some agressive musicians shouts undeciphrable lyrics and beat their drums as hard as they possibly can." :lol:

they were right

later on American recoring companies decided to cash in on this.

later the Gap said "I bet Americans are so stupid, we can make millions from them if we convince them that in order to hate people who buy our clothes, they must buy clothes from a store called Hot Topic. We will open this store in every shopping mall in America and try to appeal to those suckers who listen to punk. Hahahaha we are geniuses&#33;"
Now VC, we both listen to really good music and know about where the other is coming from most of the time. But there are a few diamonds in the ruff, so to speak. The greatest Punk band of all time, hands down, no contest, were The Clash. followed by the Ramones. the next couple of slots are up for grabs, but I&#39;d reckon Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, and Flogging Mollys fit in there somewhere.

On the other hand, VC was posting an opinion and doesn&#39;t need to come under fire for it.

VC, try two Clash tunes or something and call me in the morning...

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 1 2003, 01:52 AM

Apart from the fact that they wernt popular, so by definition you talk shit?..?

Alright Douche Bag, if you think the only defining factor of pop music is that it&#39;s popular, then you can just fuck right off.

Blink is funny, they are probably cool guys. However, they aren&#39;t punk rockers. They are teeny bopper pop punks.
Nah I knew what you meant, I was just fealing vindictive. But I stand by what I said, if they had never changed their style and become popular then nobody would call them pop, because they didnt sound remotly like bog standard pop, and werent popular.

But then again whats wrong with all pop, one of the greatest band of all time Queen had their fair share of number 1 spots. Even the Manic Street Preachers have had their fair share of top 10&#39;s and even a few number 1&#39;s.

But a lot of shit gets to the top of the charts, watching TOTP&#39;s is a torture for me now... its all so lame.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

What do you mean "punk today sucks".

You obviously haven&#39;t listened to any punk.


Anyway, punks know what punk is so they don&#39;t bother with the idiots.

the stuff i&#39;ve heard does.i prefer the classic stuff like the clash and the ramones.

[ComradeJunichi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 12:40 AM

What do you mean "punk today sucks".

You obviously haven&#39;t listened to any punk.


Anyway, punks know what punk is so they don&#39;t bother with the idiots.

the stuff i&#39;ve heard does.i prefer the classic stuff like the clash and the ramones.
What&#39;s the stuff you&#39;ve heard? There are tons of punk and oi bands out there today that are great.

Have you heard any punk besides The Clash and The Ramones? I&#39;d classify The Ramones in the bublegum-pop punk section and I&#39;d put The Clash on the lighter sides of punk.

[Rastafari]

they are way to "Blondie" for me, but without &#39;em(the Ramones), where would punk be?

[ComradeJunichi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 02:15 AM
they are way to "Blondie" for me, but without &#39;em(the Ramones), where would punk be?
The Ramones were an okay alright band but it did not have the greatest impact on the direction of punk rock.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

yes they did&#33;ask any of your "cool" underground punk bands and they&#39;ll tell you that the ramones were pioners in punk.same w/ the clash.if you cant recognize that then i think its you who knows nothing about punk.

[Urban Rubble]

Che, shut up man. Junichi knows his shit when it comes to punk rock, it&#39;s fairly obvious that you do not. I am not trying to be an asshole, but fuck, I don&#39;t know how else to put it.

The Ramones were influential for basically one reason, they were the first American punk band. They defined the sound of punk rock, along with the Sex Pistols and other early U.K punks. Yes, they were pioneers, that doesn&#39;t neccessarily make them a good band. I have noticed that usually, the kids that are new to punk love the Ramones, but then they gradually drift away from them when they hear a band that uses more than 3 chords per song. The Ramones were a highly influential band, but you can only go so far with the format they used.

Now the Clash is different. The Clash was influential because they re-defined punk. They started as a simple punk band, much like the Sex Pistols and other bands in that scene. With the release of albums like London Calling and Sandaista&#33; they totally smashed all the boundries of punk rock. They were the first punks to expierement with reggae and ska sounds. They even threw in funk, and a couple times even rap. The Clash was like no other punk band before or since, the same cannot be said for the Ramones. Not that they weren&#39;t a pivotal band in punk history, they were, but their sound gets real old real quick.

[X JoeyNormal X]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 01:23 AM
I&#39;m referring to the crap I&#39;ve heard on the radio. I&#39;m certainly not going to spend any money on CDs of anyone associated with punk. If all I&#39;ve heard is "pop-punk", then I&#39;ll assume that it holds some similarity actual punk. In which case, I don&#39;t want to listen to any of it. I just don&#39;t think that punk rockers understand what music is. Shouting loudly is very liberating and releaves a lot of pent up anger, but it does not need to be recorded, please.
You, sir, have no taste in music. Every fool knows that screaming is an artform.

[X JoeyNormal X]

Originally posted by ComradeJunichi+Oct 1 2003, 10:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ComradeJunichi @ Oct 1 2003, 10:52 PM)
[email protected] 1 2003, 10:38 PM
What makes punk music "punk" ? and what do you have to do or beleive in to be "punk"? there are so many kids at my school that claim to be "punk rockers" but yet they have Justin Timberlake and britney spears in their cd cases :huh:
Very good question, I think the "Punk" line is a big, broad, general, and blurred line.

Many people will say "anyone can be punk, it doesn&#39;t matter", but I think it does. Punk isn&#39;t a bunch of safety pins, baggy pants (i&#39;ve seen this before), and what not. Punk is KNOWING what punk music is, punk is knowing where punk came from, punk is...well, I don&#39;t know how to explain. When you&#39;re punk, you&#39;re punk. Punks know who punks are and who aren&#39;t.

It&#39;s pretty hard to explain, but easy to know. [/b]
In my experience, punks are the people who don&#39;t say they&#39;re punk. Who don&#39;t care for the bullshit labels. Who beat each other shitless and call it dancing...

[ComradeJunichi]

Thanks for handling that one for me, Urban. You took care of that one better than I did.

Che, when did I say I didn&#39;t recognize them? They&#39;re influential but once you get deep into the Punk scene you&#39;ll know that The Ramones are just on the surface. As for The Clash, I put it on the light side because of it&#39;s combination of differents styles (hell sometimes even disco&#33; lol).

Joey, punks aren&#39;t afraid to say their punks. I&#39;m a skinhead, I&#39;m not afraid to say it but just because I say it doesn&#39;t mean I&#39;m not - do you see where I&#39;m heading?

As for the dancing. Punks don&#39;t slam into each other and beat eachother shitless - I believe that would be the crazy metalheads. Punks skank and mosh, and moshing doesn&#39;t mean killing each other. It&#39;s just bumping into each other, but for some reason metalheads take it a step too far.

[X JoeyNormal X]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 10:58 AM
Joey, punks aren&#39;t afraid to say their punks. I&#39;m a skinhead, I&#39;m not afraid to say it but just because I say it doesn&#39;t mean I&#39;m not - do you see where I&#39;m heading?

As for the dancing. Punks don&#39;t slam into each other and beat eachother shitless - I believe that would be the crazy metalheads. Punks skank and mosh, and moshing doesn&#39;t mean killing each other. It&#39;s just bumping into each other, but for some reason metalheads take it a step too far.
Junichi, do not take this personally, but I find it a little..odd...for anyone to claim that they were a punk by 12, as you did on the Phora.

In my experience, punks don&#39;t give a fuck about being punks. Or skinheads. They are less concerned with words, labels and appearances and more with what is beneath.

And, bugger. Clearly, every punk gig I&#39;ve been to in the last year has been a metal one. My mistake...

[ComradeJunichi]

Junichi, do not take this personally, but I find it a little..odd...for anyone to claim that they were a punk by 12, as you did on the Phora.

How is that odd? You&#39;ve obviously haven&#39;t met too many punks around. I&#39;m not taking it personally, it&#39;s probably that you&#39;re unaware.


In my experience, punks don&#39;t give a fuck about being punks. Or skinheads. They are less concerned with words, labels and appearances and more with what is beneath.

Actually, every subculture holds fashion as one of the significant portions of it. Punks are punks, skinheads are skinheads, metalheads are metalheads.

"We are skinheads, we are punks" - Los Fastidios in Gente Come Noi

We&#39;re proud of who we are and there is no need to hide it because that&#39;s "poseur".

And, bugger. Clearly, every punk gig I&#39;ve been to in the last year has been a metal one. My mistake...

There is no need for sarcasm, if that&#39;s the way you were heading. Have you been to any punk/oi shows? They skank and mosh, maybe a bit of pogo also. Nobody beats the crap out of each other at punk shows.

[X JoeyNormal X]

How is that odd? You&#39;ve obviously haven&#39;t met too many punks around. I&#39;m not taking it personally, it&#39;s probably that you&#39;re unaware.


ROFL.

Dude, you are quite obviously talking out of an orifice that was designed for excretion here...

It is odd, Junichi, because most 12-year-olds are small, embarassing twirps with no social or political consience, nor any comprehension, no balls, and, generally, very little brain. Generally, not even a very good taste in music.


Actually, every subculture holds fashion as one of the significant portions of it. Punks are punks, skinheads are skinheads, metalheads are metalheads.

Well, duh. Not even a relevant comment. Most I have encountered are, as I said, not that concerned with being, like, cool punk motherfuckers&#39;n&#39;shit, but rather enjoy the music and possess that unique punk attitude...

And, shit, for some reason, I can&#39;t picture a bunch of crusty bastards debating the metaphysical meanings of an abstract concept like "punk", declaring that they are indeed the true punks and that all others are poseurs. Well, yes,I&#39;ll concede that Crass penned a nice cliche, but...

Oh, and, please, don&#39;t assume that people who disagree with you are ignorant. I find it a little amusing that a Korean kid happily proclaims that I obviously know nothing about the punk scene. I mean, yes, I will concede, I don&#39;t know much about the Korean punk scene, but the New Zealand scene...

...well, in case ya didn&#39;t it up, I&#39;m fucvkin&#39; in it.


"We are skinheads, we are punks" - Los Fastidios in Gente Come Noi

We&#39;re proud of who we are and there is no need to hide it because that&#39;s "poseur".

Oh dear God, punk pride. Here we go.

Again, you are missing my point. It is not that punks are ashamed of themselves, it is thatthey are not a self-righteous clique of arrogant self-obsessed wankers. They don&#39;t spend hours debating and declaring themselves "punker than thou"; rather they go out&#39;n&#39;do shit.


There is no need for sarcasm, if that&#39;s the way you were heading. Have you been to any punk/oi shows? They skank and mosh, maybe a bit of pogo also. Nobody beats the crap out of each other at punk shows.

Well, I&#39;ll admit, that last bands that I saw were, what, two weeks ago. Missed the Hope Conspiracy and the Battle of the Bands final out of laziness, and the fact that I still haven&#39;t gotten of my arse and acquired an 18+ card. Which leaves me with my 18th birthday and the four bands that played their free of charge as a favour to me.

Yes, they were punk. The first band thinks they are emo, but...they are not. The second, I&#39;ll concede, was a nu-metal band, invited only &#39;cause the drummer also played in the first band...and &#39;cause they could provide a PA for the night. The last two, however...

[ComradeJunichi]

Haha, here we go again. This is my fifth petty-little argument in two weeks.

ROFL.

Dude, you are quite obviously talking out of an orifice that was designed for excretion here...

It is odd, Junichi, because most 12-year-olds are small, embarassing twirps with no social or political consience, nor any comprehension, no balls, and, generally, very little brain. Generally, not even a very good taste in music.

Okay, I&#39;m just going to agree here. I&#39;ve spent too much time on useless debates. But that&#39;s right, many 12 year olds are idiots. That doesn&#39;t mean there aren&#39;t any smart ones.

For example, there aren&#39;t many punks compared to the population of the earth; does that mean it&#39;s odd that someone is a punk? No, but I don&#39;t think you&#39;re being belligerent at all here so I don&#39;t mind. I actually agree, however you&#39;re sending off a tone - like you don&#39;t believe me. Why is that?

Well, duh. Not even a relevant comment. Most I have encountered are, as I said, not that concerned with being, like, cool punk motherfuckers&#39;n&#39;shit, but rather enjoy the music and possess that unique punk attitude...

What really defines the punk attitude? I used to believe in all of that but I&#39;ve strayed away from it more.

And, shit, for some reason, I can&#39;t picture a bunch of crusty bastards debating the metaphysical meanings of an abstract concept like "punk", declaring that they are indeed the true punks and that all others are poseurs. Well, yes,I&#39;ll concede that Crass penned a nice cliche, but...

No, that&#39;s not what I was aiming for. My point was that when you&#39;re a punk you just know and so do other punks. Within punks there&#39;s no such thing as poser, but we all know the hot topic kids aren&#39;t anything near the crusts and oisters (that&#39;s what they&#39;ve called them in Korea but apparently that word doesn&#39;t exist around here, lol)

Oh, and, please, don&#39;t assume that people who disagree with you are ignorant. I find it a little amusing that a Korean kid happily proclaims that I obviously know nothing about the punk scene. I mean, yes, I will concede, I don&#39;t know much about the Korean punk scene, but the New Zealand scene...

I was not assuming you were ignorant. What does me being Korean have to do with anything? And I didn&#39;t say you didn&#39;t know anything about punk, but if you were suggesting that punks beat the shit out of each other at shows then I said that you probably would be misunderstanding a few things.

- Punks don&#39;t beat the shit out of each other at shows. It&#39;s pretty much a known fact.

Oh dear God, punk pride. Here we go.

Again, you are missing my point. It is not that punks are ashamed of themselves, it is thatthey are not a self-righteous clique of arrogant self-obsessed wankers. They don&#39;t spend hours debating and declaring themselves "punker than thou"; rather they go out&#39;n&#39;do shit.

I didn&#39;t miss your point, but my point was an extension of yours. What I mean is, while they hold that feeling that they don&#39;t have the need to scream out "I&#39;m punk" they aren&#39;t afraid to.

The last part of your post was unnecessary, I was just adding to the fact that punks don&#39;t kill each other at shows.


Anyway, this is really fucking stupid. This is my fifth time doing this.

Let&#39;s start over.


Punks don&#39;t beat the crap out of each other (in the crowd) at shows. They skank, pogo, mosh/circle pits. That goes for most Oi and street/crust bands, I can&#39;t say the same for GG.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 1 2003, 09:36 AM
Stiff Little Fingers

Aren&#39;t SLF Irish?

[X JoeyNormal X]

Haha, here we go again. This is my fifth petty-little argument in two weeks.

Perhaps you should learn something from that.


I actually agree, however you&#39;re sending off a tone - like you don&#39;t believe me. Why is that?

Because, firstly, I am a cynical and sceptical bastard. Secondly, because you seem to have the fire-and-brimstone approach of most recently &#39;converted&#39; punks; after a while, you tensd to cease caring about who is and who is not a punk and move on.

Thirdly, Johnson from the Phora sent me a photo of you, during your punk phase, and you seemed...too damn clean to be a punk. Call me a crusty old fuck if you want, but white shirts and fohawks just ain&#39;t my thing. O&#39;course, I really should not be judging on appearances.

Oh, yes, and the "punker than thou" attitude you seem to have irks me.


What really defines the punk attitude? I used to believe in all of that but I&#39;ve strayed away from it more.

Non-conformism, antui-authoritarianism and generally being a roight likkle bastard.


No, that&#39;s not what I was aiming for. My point was that when you&#39;re a punk you just know and so do other punks. Within punks there&#39;s no such thing as poser, but we all know the hot topic kids aren&#39;t anything near the crusts and oisters (that&#39;s what they&#39;ve called them in Korea but apparently that word doesn&#39;t exist around here, lol)

Agreed. However, the issue isn&#39;t the knowing, it is the blathering on about it. Most punks &#39;round here see the poseur kids as an embarassment they&#39;d rather forget.


I was not assuming you were ignorant. What does me being Korean have to do with anything?

If you were British or American, I could understand you making general statements about what punks do, period, as those two nations were basically the birthplace of the culture. However, a Korean, or, for that matter, a New Zealander cannot internationaslise his experience within the local scene to being the worldwide status quo.


Punks don&#39;t beat the shit out of each other at shows. It&#39;s pretty much a known fact.

Never said they did. Violent dancing is not the same as fighting.


I didn&#39;t miss your point, but my point was an extension of yours. What I mean is, while they hold that feeling that they don&#39;t have the need to scream out "I&#39;m punk" they aren&#39;t afraid to.

It is my firm opinion that anyone who feels the need to say something rather than doing it...probably could not do it. I don&#39;t like hollow words. What was that Jose Marti quote? "Doing is the best way of saying".

I believe that someone&#39;s abilities are generally inversely proprtional to the amount they talk aboot aforesaid abilities, and the same goes for someones punk credentials.


Punks don&#39;t beat the crap out of each other (in the crowd) at shows. They skank, pogo, mosh/circle pits. That goes for most Oi and street/crust bands, I can&#39;t say the same for GG.

What are circle pits, if not violent? Are you seriosly telling me that punks don&#39;t dance violently?

[Invader Zim]

Thirdly, Johnson from the Phora sent me a photo of you, during your punk phase, and you seemed...too damn clean to be a punk. Call me a crusty old fuck if you want, but white shirts and fohawks just ain&#39;t my thing. O&#39;course, I really should not be judging on appearances.

Well I would not go as far to call myself a punk, I like to many other types of music, but just because someone does not highlight their hair green and black, where spikes, where rags for jeans, and where Levellers T-shirts, doesnt mean that they are not punks. I know loads of real punks, who wear pretty standard cloaths, and loads of wannabe&#39;s who look like they have just been trhough a lawn mower... if you think that their is a specific way a punk should dress, maybe its you who isnt a punk?

[ComradeJunichi]

Because, firstly, I am a cynical and sceptical bastard. Secondly, because you seem to have the fire-and-brimstone approach of most recently &#39;converted&#39; punks; after a while, you tensd to cease caring about who is and who is not a punk and move on.

Thirdly, Johnson from the Phora sent me a photo of you, during your punk phase, and you seemed...too damn clean to be a punk. Call me a crusty old fuck if you want, but white shirts and fohawks just ain&#39;t my thing. O&#39;course, I really should not be judging on appearances.

Oh, yes, and the "punker than thou" attitude you seem to have irks me.

First of all, there are different types of punks. I wasn&#39;t a crusty punk and I don&#39;t have to post pictures to prove me being a punk. Seriously, where is this conversation going? Do I have to write up my old wardrobe? Denim vests, black vests, bleached jean shorts, bum flaps, and whatnot. Will that prove - over the internet - that I dressed punk? haha

Second, I don&#39;t have a punker than thou attitude. I had to go through a bunch of those assholes when I first joined the scene, I first joined it in Korea. And plus, I&#39;m not even a punk anymore.

Non-conformism, antui-authoritarianism and generally being a roight likkle bastard.

No, I know what the punk attitude is but I&#39;m saying how many people still have that attitude? After going through my days, every punk I&#39;ve met has been extremely generous wherever we went. "Bastard"? No, I don&#39;t think so anymore.

Agreed. However, the issue isn&#39;t the knowing, it is the blathering on about it. Most punks &#39;round here see the poseur kids as an embarassment they&#39;d rather forget.

Most punks around here (not my neighborhood because there are none) know their punks and whenever they see the pop punks or posers come around it&#39;s just a battle. You shouldn&#39;t see poser kids as an embarassment, just a totally different &#39;subculture&#39;.

If you were British or American, I could understand you making general statements about what punks do, period, as those two nations were basically the birthplace of the culture. However, a Korean, or, for that matter, a New Zealander cannot internationaslise his experience within the local scene to being the worldwide status quo.

Yeah, perhaps if it was still &#39;69 or &#39;77, but it&#39;s not. Punk is international and it&#39;s a internationally accepted thing not a subjective term for every country. So I am able to make general comments, my nationality doesn&#39;t matter.

This isn&#39;t for debate, this is just a discussion. So here are some pictures of the punks and skins in Korea.

http://www.skunklabel.com/pic/pics/pic042.jpg

http://www.skunklabel.com/pic/pics/pic041.jpg

http://www.skunklabel.com/pic/pics/pic044.jpg

http://www.skunklabel.com/pic/pics/pic038.jpg

http://www.skunklabel.com/pic/pics/pic014.jpg

http://www.skunklabel.com/pic/pics/pic003.jpg

http://www.skunklabel.com/pic/pics/pic032.jpg

Yep, lots of those are skin pictures but oh well. I thought you might have been interested just to check out some stuff.

Never said they did. Violent dancing is not the same as fighting.

There is no "violent dancing" at shows. Probably the most violent would be at street punk shows, but even there the whole sense of punk unity diminished the violent dancing and the pit-ettiquette of taking off your studs. Like I said: skanking, pogo, mosh/circle pit, and just standing about. That&#39;s it.

It is my firm opinion that anyone who feels the need to say something rather than doing it...probably could not do it. I don&#39;t like hollow words. What was that Jose Marti quote? "Doing is the best way of saying".

I believe that someone&#39;s abilities are generally inversely proprtional to the amount they talk aboot aforesaid abilities, and the same goes for someones punk credentials.

No, my point was about punks. We know what punks are, so we know what they do. So it&#39;s technically okay for them to claim their punk according to you. Noone claims their punk without ever going to a show and whatnot.

What are circle pits, if not violent? Are you seriosly telling me that punks don&#39;t dance violently?

WOW&#33; Have you EVER been to a show?

Do you know what a circle pit is? Circle pits come up at most ska shows and maybe a few two tone or ska-punk songs. It&#39;s when everyone moves around in a big circle. Those are NOT violent AT ALL.

Mosh pits are not violent, most punks and skins beat the shit out of the fucker who is going crazy in the pit. It&#39;s usually the young (new) ones who go crazy in the pit and we tell them to stop, if they don&#39;t we go in the pit and bash the shit out of them. Mosh pits are just skank pits and running around to the beat and bumping into each other.

Pogo has nothing to do with violence.

Skanking has nothing to do with violence.

[celtopunk]

Lots of Ramones shirts in those pics. I don&#39;t consider that a bad thing. I love the Ramones, they were one of the most important bands of the last 25 years.

I don&#39;t mind pop punk, just bad pop punk.

So are you in a band these days or what? Any recordings yet?

[El Brujo]

Im in a metalcore band but we aren&#39;t exactly flourishing. ;)

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 05:19 PM
Lots of Ramones shirts in those pics. I don&#39;t consider that a bad thing. I love the Ramones, they were one of the most important bands of the last 25 years.

I don&#39;t mind pop punk, just bad pop punk.

So are you in a band these days or what? Any recordings yet?
sitting in my room...humming a sickening tune.

The Ramones were like the Beach Boys...with Glue Sniffing&#33;

[ComradeJunichi]

Yep, I just happened to pick the two pictures where he had a Ramones shirt on. I don&#39;t think they even like them too much. Anyway, that&#39;s the punk scene in Korea. Lots of the pictures were of the band called RUX I love them&#33; They&#39;re all on the Skunk Label in Korea.

Celto, we&#39;ve just changed our band. It was going to be me and Aaron and this other guy, but it didn&#39;t work. So, this band deep in Long Island lost a few members. So Aaron and I are joining. Aaron being the bassist/vocals and me being guitarist/vocals. We&#39;re all skins but among the gang there&#39;s a few crusts.

Once we get down 8 solid tracks, we&#39;re get a free mass-production of an lp or cd in Long Island. So, we basically have a deal already, we just have to get those tracks down.

There&#39;s a bunch of songs we&#39;re covering for fun. ACAB (by the 4 Skins), Where Are They Now (a bunch of Cock Sparrer songs along with that)...there&#39;s just so many I can&#39;t write them all, lol.

[X JoeyNormal X]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 10:35 AM
Well I would not go as far to call myself a punk, I like to many other types of music, but just because someone does not highlight their hair green and black, where spikes, where rags for jeans, and where Levellers T-shirts, doesnt mean that they are not punks. I know loads of real punks, who wear pretty standard cloaths, and loads of wannabe&#39;s who look like they have just been trhough a lawn mower... if you think that their is a specific way a punk should dress, maybe its you who isnt a punk?
Perhaps you misunderstand me. Junichi had a mohawk, of sorts. He was clearly trying to look as "punk" as he could...he just was not succeeding. I agree, you don&#39;t need to dress like shit to be a punk, but...if you&#39;re trying to dress "punk", then...you can succeed, or fail.

And, shit, am I a punk? Well, I honestly don&#39;t know. I like safety pins. Isn&#39;t that the one great deciding factor? Seriously, though, I like the punk music, and I&#39;m fairly heavily involved in the punk and hardcore scene here, but I wouldn&#39;t describe myself as a punk. Like you, I like too many other genres of music - metal, in particular. Personally, I find this whole elitist shit around "punk" to be a load of trash. People trying to be punk, or bragging that they are...

"Punk" is not something to aspire to.

[ComradeJunichi]

Jesus christ, do I have to post an old picture of me to show myself?

First of all, I have school. In school, we have PE with a dress code.

Are you out to try and attack me? Hah, anyone I really don&#39;t mind but I&#39;m just clearing out misunderstandings.

So, Mr. Joey - in the picture my friend Aaron took for me - there is the half-completed (I started this in the beginning of June) diy vest. My Blitz shirt and bleached-jean shorts.


Anyway, that was just a joke. A few days ago another messageboard member asserted that I dress like a nerd. What she meant was, that I dress like I play role-playing games and pretend to live in the Soviet Union or something like that.

So, I&#39;m wondering, what bands do you listen to Joey?


Edit: I decided to take my picture off for security reasons, I was just IMed about it.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

After listenning to alot of underground punk I can safely say It has nothing to do with what they show on the music channels.

But the sad thing is that most punkers in southamerica come from the elite society and actuaclly don&#39;t do much for the real punk spirit , specially the nonconformist mentality.

I hope that canges soon.

As for me I&#39;m not really into punk but I like punk influenced metal that&#39;s a great mix.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 12:14 AM
?


Edit: I decided to take my picture off for security reasons, I was just IMed about it.
Yes about that Joon , you should ask the moderators to take your old pictures off the archives. And delete your picture gallery from your personal webpage.

[Urban Rubble]

"It is important to define the elements that make us punks or else it means nothing to call yourself a punk"

"Punks are a subset of the entire human family, that ones that can overcome their fears and turn their passion for questioning authority into action. The result is a social awareness that goes against the current of prevailing opinion and forms a sort of subculture. Not all people can do or take part in that."

Both quotes from Greg Graffin, singer of Bad Religion and college proffesor. Or is he not punk enough ?

Anyway, I have to disagree with you Joon. Dancing at punk shows is sometimes quite violent. Maybe not intentionally, but it can get that way. Fuck, a few weeks ago I was accidentally elbowed in the face at Swingin Utters/ Youth Brigade. A couple months ago I got jumped (in the pit) by about 5 straight edgers at a harcore show.

[X JoeyNormal X]

Rubble - It wasn&#39;t me, I swear.

Joon - What do I listen too? Sommerset, SicFux, Sepultura, Pantera, Nailbomb, Exploited [now-playing - Royalty from Punk&#39;s not Dead], Minor Threat, Agnostic Front, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Missing Teeth, Biohazard, Subtract, Six Day War, Ramones, Pistols, Clash, Evergreen Terrace, Strife, Zao, Red Chord, Dying Fetus, Drogheda, Full Blown Chaos, Project X, ACDC, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Frank Zappa, Ben Harper, Slayer, Dillenger Escape Plan, KRS One, BDP, Non Phixion, Randy, Anal ****, Propagandhi, Bad Religion, NoFX, XfilesX, Misfits, Shadows Fall, Leftover Crack, the Rabble, (old) Metallica, Converge, Skinlab, Easrth Crisis, Hatebreeed.

Some punk, more not. A lot of hardcore, which is a derivative of punk, innit?

Now, I see that your pic has gone. Not really that concerned. The fact that you feel the need to prove yourself to me suffices.

But, back away from Jun:

1) Violent dancing is a characteristic part of punk shows. I should know; it&#39;s why I damn well go to&#39;em. I mean, I recall an eighties hardcore S.O.B. commenting that the thing he&#39;d liked most in the scene was that, despite the violence, serious fights almost never broke out. You&#39;d knock someonover by slam-dancing into&#39;em or whatever, stamp on them by mistake, pick&#39;em up and help them to the side. Not sure what it is like where you are, but here, it is still that way...except metal fans tend to join the pit and start serious fights.
2) Punks who feel the need to brag about being punk or who intellectualise punk are pretentious gits.
3) Some punk-arse-motherfuckers in those pics. Nice. A few too many of the premade "alternative" bits of clothing though...
4) The way I see it, people screaming "you aren&#39;t punk&#33;&#33;&#33;11&#33;" are fools. That elitist bullshit doesn&#39;t surround metal, nor any other kind of music. When I cut my hair short, my long-haired metalhead friends didn&#39;t tell me I wasn&#39;t "metal". Blah, blah...

Yeah, I&#39;m a hypocrite: sue me. My issue with Junichi is that he seems to loudly scream "I&#39;m a punk and you&#39;re not&#33; Nyah&#33;". He may not be intending to, but..he certainly does. That irks me.

[ComradeJunichi]

There is a serious scene of unity in Korea for the punks and skins - don&#39;t get me wrong, I&#39;m not saying there isn&#39;t where you live. When I was first hanging out with all the punks and skins they used to tell me about moshing and skanking, and I used to watch what they did to the really violent ones in the pit (by the way, circle pits are never violent). I&#39;m really not out here to fight, because I&#39;m pretty tired of it.

I never had the a punker than thou attitude, I think you&#39;re missing the point. Why would a skinhead say they&#39;re punker than anyone? I&#39;m think you&#39;re in a belligerent position, all I did was explain how skanking and moshing is not violent. I&#39;ve been to shows in Korea and shows around here - they&#39;re not.


Yeah, I only know like 3/4&#39;s of your list (music list).


Just curious, how is stating that punk shows aren&#39;t violence (in dancing) equivalent to Punk than thou, kyaa?

[Urban Rubble]

Well, I consider myself a punk, and no, I&#39;m not going to tell someone they aren&#39;t punk. I don&#39;t sit around and analyze it too much, but I consider myself a punk rocker. I don&#39;t always dress like it, and sometimes I listen to Hip Hop and ALOT of reggae. I still know that I am a punk rocker.

Now, what does that mean ? Fuck all as far as I&#39;m concerned. Elitism is bullshit. Recently I got a "thugged out" looking black kid that only listened to hip hop to listen to my Sick Of It All record and he loved it.

[Urban Rubble]

Oh ya, is Leftover Crack the same guys from that band on HellCat records ? I can&#39;t remember their name, but they sang that song "CrackRock Steady" and "Infested".

[Urban Rubble]

Oh ya, one more thing.

Anyone like Bane ? I met the singer of that band not long ago, real nice guy. I hadn&#39;t listened to them in a couple years, but he gave me a CD and it was pretty good.

[X JoeyNormal X]

I believe so. They&#39;re on Hellcat, ex-Choking Victim and F Minus guys. You&#39;ve probably heard their song Athiest Anthem before...

[ComradeJunichi]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 7 2003, 03:27 AM
Well, I consider myself a punk, and no, I&#39;m not going to tell someone they aren&#39;t punk. I don&#39;t sit around and analyze it too much, but I consider myself a punk rocker. I don&#39;t always dress like it, and sometimes I listen to Hip Hop and ALOT of reggae. I still know that I am a punk rocker.

Now, what does that mean ? Fuck all as far as I&#39;m concerned. Elitism is bullshit. Recently I got a "thugged out" looking black kid that only listened to hip hop to listen to my Sick Of It All record and he loved it.
If your saying that in opposition to what I&#39;ve been alleged of doing, then I believe you&#39;re mistaken. The only person saying someone wasn&#39;t punk was Joey. I&#39;ve simply stated that punk show dancing isn&#39;t violent - however later it can GET violent.

I was down at CBGB&#39;s yesterday with a few skinheads, we went to the record store a few blocks away from it and met up with some punks and the record store owner. The owner was telling us about Saturday night&#39;s show of Viva La Punk. Some guy pepper sprayed some other guy and after the show the guy who got pepper spraye stabbed the mother fucker. I&#39;m sorry but that&#39;s just too much for me. But other then that, the owner was telling us about the show because he played on Saturday night. We all just sat there in jealousy, hahaha.

BUT&#33; We&#39;re all going to a [the] Clap show next month&#33;

[commieboy]

guys....lets not argue about music...some people like differnt kinds of music...lets leave it there..and move on