Hamas toes Syrian line on anti-Assad protests

[Dimmu]

Pathetic.. I wish all the socialists would drop their support for Hamas. There will never be peace in ME with the rightist Israeli gov and theocracy in Gaza in power.

AMMAN, April 2 (Reuters) - The Palestinian group Hamas sent its support on Saturday to Syria's ruling hierarchy and said unprecedented protests against President Bashar al-Assad's rule must not compromise Syria "rejectionist" stand against Israel.
In the first public reaction to protests demanding political freedoms and end to corruption in Syria, during which at least 60 people have been killed, the Iranian- and Syrian- backed Islamist group toed the official Syrian line, saying the stability of Syria was priority.
"We hope the current situation will be overcome in the way that achieves the aspirations and the wishes of the Syrian people and maintains the stability of Syria and its internal integration and reinforces its role in the side of confrontation and rejection," a Hamas statement said.
"In the light of all of this we reaffirm our standing beside brotherly Syria, beside both its leadership and people," the statement said.

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/hamas-toes-syrian-line-on-anti-assad-protests

[sister harb]

"Unfortunately" Hamas came to power after democratic elections in Palestine at 2006. Just today in Gaza all resistance organizations, including islamic Hamas and leftist PFLP, gave they joint agreement fight together against they common enemy - zionists. I don´t see it is good idea that even Palestinian leftists start to disagree with them - and with others in they situation.

From homepage of PFLP:

Comrade Emad Abu Rahma, member of the Central Committee of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, responded to the occupation military's assassination of Palestinian fighters on April 2, 2011 with a call to confront occupation and aggression with resistance everywhere, urging an immediate end to division and restoration of unity in order to develop a full resistance to confront the plans of the occupier.

How to make peace in the Middle East is another matter.

Have you any idea why Hamas supports Syria? :cool:

[Dimmu]

I am sorry but Hamas rules with an iron fist, they have no democracy, no freedom for the non-muslims etc.. Palestinians also did not really had any opportunity to elect decent leaders.. They had a choice between Hamas or Fatah, the later one being the puppet of US..

Also PFLP is more or less a puppet of Hamas, if they go "rogue" then they will be dealt with like any other faction that opposes the Hamas.

[sister harb]

"no freedom for the non-muslims etc"

Can you also prove this? :rolleyes:

[Dimmu]

"no freedom for the non-muslims etc"

Can you also prove this? :rolleyes:



Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3414753,00.html


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hdmJ6do6ctFlmorCNXunZ7ajZGaw

Try converting from Islam to Christianity in Gaza and see how that works out.

[sister harb]

Ynetnews is totally zionist media, supported by zionist government. Please stop read it if you like to know what really happens in Gaza, it only tells what zionists want you believe.

Did you know that at parliamentary elections at 2006 Hamas list was Christian participant who also elected and were before minister in government?

In Gaza is no "Islamic law", they follow same laws than in the West Bank, called Constitution Law of Palestine. I have read it. Non-muslim women don´t need to use islamic scraf (hijab) in public and Christians and others have same rights in society than any other.

:rolleyes: I have quite much friends in Gaza, by the way...

[sister harb]

Laws: http://www.palestinianbasiclaw.org/2003-amended-basic-law

[Dimmu]

Ynetnews is totally zionist media, supported by zionist government. Please stop read it if you like to know what really happens in Gaza, it only tells what zionists want you believe.

Did you know that at parliamentary elections at 2006 Hamas list was Christian participant who also elected and were before minister in government?

In Gaza is no "Islamic law", they follow same laws than in the West Bank, called Constitution Law of Palestine. I have read it. Non-muslim women don´t need to use islamic scraf (hijab) in public and Christians and others have same rights in society than any other.

:rolleyes: I have quite much friends in Gaza, by the way...


Ynetnews might be Israeli.. But i can find the same quote from many other sources..


The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."

"I expect our Christian neighbors to understand the new Hamas rule means real changes. They must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace in Gaza," said Sheik Abu Saqer, leader of Jihadia Salafiya, an Islamic outreach movement that recently announced the opening of a "military wing" to enforce Muslim law in Gaza.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=42143

The fact still stands that Hamas is an theocratic movement based on Islamic hierarchy and that they are not better then the Israeli far-right movement. They deserve each other. What bothers me is when a western leftist supports Hamas.

[sister harb]

I admit that Hamas is Islamic movement. They ideology is resist zionist based occupation.

Maybe you like to look them a little closer:

http://www.qassam.ps/

After that, what if return to Syria situation?

[Dimmu]

I admit that Hamas is Islamic movement. They ideology is resist zionist based occupation.

Maybe you like to look them a little closer:

http://www.qassam.ps/

After that, what if return to Syria situation?

Yeah sure. :)

There was a good article on the AJ (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/20114314059483767.html) which more or less explains why the "resistance" lable did not save Assad from the uprising.

Syria and other arab countries both those who are controlled by the US and others have used the anti-Israeli rhetoric to distract people from the major problems that occur in their countries. Assad regularly jailed leftist activists as well as others who stood up to him and hes regime. But now hes time has come to an end.


Hamas if they really are a people's movement should support the people who riot on the streets of Damascus and other Syrian towns, not the despots who shoot at civilians. Whats the difference between Assad and Israel?

[sister harb]

Back to Hamas again?

So, Syria let Hamas keep they political headquarters in Syria. Why to bite hand who feeds you?

:lol:

Not only Hamas... have you seen many Palestinian resistance organizations support Syrian protestors? Leftist ones for example?

[sister harb]

Some news:


Hamas denies Syria statement pinned to Mishaal

[ 03/04/2011 - 11:46 AM ]


DAMASCUS, (PIC)-- The Hamas leadership has absolutely denied statements pinned to the party's politburo chief Khalid Mishaal concerning Yusuf al-Qaradawi, president of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, and developments in Syria.
”We absolutely deny the positions posted on websites that have been attributed to the movement's political bureau chairman regarding events in Syria, especially what relates to Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi. The movement's position on the current events was expressed in a statement issued on Saturday,” Hamas said in a new statement.
Hamas had confirmed its support of both the leadership and people of Syria and highlighted that Syria's leadership and people have stood with the Palestinians' resistance and rights and embraced the Palestinian resistance forces.
”The leadership and people of Syria have stood by the Palestinians' resistance and rights and embraced and supported the Palestinian resistance forces, especially Hamas, in the darkest and most difficult of circumstances. It has taken major gambles, challenges and risks and remained steadfast under pressure in order to commit to upholding the policy of defiance and resistance in the region, and to support the people of Palestine and their resistance in particular.”
”What is happening is an internal affair concerning the people of Syria,” Hamas said. ”But Hamas, based on its principle of respect for the will and aspirations of the Arab and Muslim peoples, hopes the current situation will pass with the aspirations and hopes of the Syrians achieved, and the internal cohesion and stability of Syria preserved, and its role in confrontation and defiance enhanced.”


http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi 1s7WJdDVdgmTABvpTUjLvmLfp%2b%2bnFyJE251fcEysB%2fu0 PheiPeptdc3ii%2bwo6K7Qz9guOUBQOMMt9jTRJ3SOgG%2f71L YUCdd34NlsFA%2bIhIW%2fas%3d

[Dimmu]

Back to Hamas again?

So, Syria let Hamas keep they political headquarters in Syria. Why to bite hand who feeds you?

:lol:

Not only Hamas... have you seen many Palestinian resistance organizations support Syrian protestors? Leftist ones for example?

Well, we already have a Syria Unrest thread.

Sometimes you have to bite that hand. Because you can bet that Assad will not survive this crisis and a new unknown power will take control over Syria. And they sure in hell wont like Hamas supporting a despot who shot rioters.

[sister harb]

Hamas had confirmed its support of both the leadership and people of Syria and highlighted that Syria's leadership and people have stood with the Palestinians' resistance and rights and embraced the Palestinian resistance forces.

:rolleyes:

[Gorilla]

DAMASCUS, (PIC)-- The Hamas leadership has absolutely denied statements pinned to the party's politburo chief Khalid Mishaal concerning Yusuf al-Qaradawi, president of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, and developments in Syria.

I don't support Hamas, although I do support some of the things they do. Hamas is a violent anti-working class organization and the Palestinian people need a popular working-class alternative that can properly carry out the tasks of resistance. That being said, I really dig the fact they have a "politburo".


Sometimes you have to bite that hand. Because you can bet that Assad will not survive this crisis and a new unknown power will take control over Syria. And they sure in hell wont like Hamas supporting a despot who shot rioters.

Supporting Palestinian and Lebanese resistance is like the one popular thing that Assad does. Any Syrian president with independence from the West will do the same. Any Syrian president beholden to the West will not do so, but that has nothing to do with what statements Hamas is making now.

And Hamas, BTW, has no real love for the secular historically left-wing Alawites in the Assad administration either.

[sister harb]

For me Hamas is resistance organization against zionist occupation. I don´t see they go very far about idea of Geneva Conventions referring resist of illegal occupation. What is they real role in Syria might be more near of thread? I think they already told it in that new as "supporting both goverment and people".

Alawites next? :thumbup1:

[~Spectre]

Ynetnews might be Israeli.. But i can find the same quote from many other sources..

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=42143

The fact still stands that Hamas is an theocratic movement based on Islamic hierarchy and that they are not better then the Israeli far-right movement. They deserve each other. What bothers me is when a western leftist supports Hamas.

Without chiming in on this argument, I'm still stunned that someone on this site would would use worldnetdaily...

Those are the same people that produced this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmWdExg4kic

[PhoenixAsh]

Those are the same people that produced this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmWdExg4kic

That guy needs a stroke....

[freepalestine]

english website


PFLP condemns repression of Arab popular movements and warns against dangers of a new colonialism

http://pflp.ps/english/files/images/2011-arab-revolution-tunisia-egypt-bahrain-libya.jpg (http://pflp.ps/english/?q=node/2569)



The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine denounced on March 20, 2011 the bloody persecution faced by the Arab masses in Arab cities and capitals, day and night, at the hands of corrupt and rotten security services and regimes, and demanded an end to such crimes. The Front reiterated its support for the Arab peoples' struggle in all countries for freedom, dignity, democracy and social justice, confronting tyranny, corruption and dependency.


The Front also warned against any exploitation of these crimes of Arab regimes and security forces, such as the crimes of the regime in Libya, by international forces seeking to intervene in order to divide Arab countries, fragment their people, control their wealth and introduce a new era of modern colonialism, saying that the Arab people's movements seek freedom, social progress, liberation, democracy, social justice and unity.

http://pflp.ps/english/?q=pflp-condemns-repression-arab-popular-movements-an

[The Vegan Marxist]

Ynetnews might be Israeli.. But i can find the same quote from many other sources..

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=42143

The fact still stands that Hamas is an theocratic movement based on Islamic hierarchy and that they are not better then the Israeli far-right movement. They deserve each other. What bothers me is when a western leftist supports Hamas.

You did not just use World Net Daily as a credible source. :laugh:

[sister harb]

Ynetnews might be Israeli.. But i can find the same quote from many other sources..

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=42143

The fact still stands that Hamas is an theocratic movement based on Islamic hierarchy and that they are not better then the Israeli far-right movement. They deserve each other. What bothers me is when a western leftist supports Hamas.

Ynetnews not only might be israeli but is 100%. What if you will try next Palestinian news channels to get information about Palestine and they resistance factions? I give you some:

http://www.pflp.ps/english/ - PFLP

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx - Hamas

http://www.maannews.net/eng/Default.aspx - rumours tell this is funded by PA/Fatah

http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?optionfiltered=com_content&task=view&id=315&Itemid=1 - Palestine News Network

http://www.imemc.org/index.php - International Middle East Media Center

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/ - Palestinian Center for Human Rights

http://www.electronicintifada.net/ Electronic Intifada

[Dimmu]

Ynetnews not only might be israeli but is 100%. What if you will try next Palestinian news channels to get information about Palestine and they resistance factions? I give you some:

http://www.pflp.ps/english/ - PFLP

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx - Hamas

http://www.maannews.net/eng/Default.aspx - rumours tell this is funded by PA/Fatah

http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?optionfiltered=com_content&task=view&id=315&Itemid=1 - Palestine News Network

http://www.imemc.org/index.php - International Middle East Media Center

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/ - Palestinian Center for Human Rights

http://www.electronicintifada.net/ Electronic Intifada

How are they different from haaretz, Yney or Jpost? They are equally biased.

[khad]

How are they different from haaretz, Yney or Jpost? They are equally biased.
I hope you aren't suggesting that the Palestinians themselves are the moral equivalent of the Zionist state.

[sister harb]

How are they different from haaretz, Yney or Jpost? They are equally biased.

I hoped to give sources from many different Palestinian views, not just that one I support.

:crying:

[Dimmu]

I hoped to give sources from many different Palestinian views, not just that one I support.

:crying:

Dont cry. :lol:

I cant just imagine a solution which will bring a peace into the region. Instead you have two puppets fighting each other one being a puppet of the US and the other one of Iran and the workers are stuck in between.

[Threetune]

Dont cry. :lol:

I cant just imagine a solution which will bring a peace into the region. Instead you have two puppets fighting each other one being a puppet of the US and the other one of Iran and the workers are stuck in between.

And who’s pulling your strings now that workers across the world are once again starting to flex their muscles and develop new understanding about how to defeat Zionist – imperialist intrigue?

[sister harb]

Dont cry. :lol:

I cant just imagine a solution which will bring a peace into the region. Instead you have two puppets fighting each other one being a puppet of the US and the other one of Iran and the workers are stuck in between.

Where you find Iran to this situation; except news of Zionists? I personally believe one-state solution. Independent Palestine. Years have already shown that so-called two state solution by Oslo agreement is dead idea.

Maybe you have some solution for peace? :rolleyes:

[Dimmu]

And who’s pulling your strings now that workers across the world are once again starting to flex their muscles and develop new understanding about how to defeat Zionist – imperialist intrigue?
Israel is militarly speaking to strong to be defeated. Thats the truth. So i think that a two state solution is something that should be created. But like i wrote, i dont see any breakthroughs coming any time soon.

Also workers in other countries should concentrate on defeating capitalism in their home countries first. As "we hate Israel" is mostly used as a rally around the flag call in Arab countries.

[Threetune]

Where you find Iran to this situation; except news of Zionists? I personally believe one-state solution. Independent Palestine. Years have already shown that so-called two state solution by Oslo agreement is dead idea.

Spot on!

[sister harb]

Israel is militarly speaking to strong to be defeated. Thats the true. So i think that a two state solution is something that should be created. But like i wrote, i dont see any breakthroughs coming any time soon.

Also workers in other countries should concentrate on defeating capitalism in their home countries first. As "we hate Israel" is mostly used as a rally around the flag call in Arab countries.

Unfortunately zionists themselves are not interesting about two-state solution at all - they want jews-only state. They are the party of Oslo agreement whose don´t follow they own agreements.

Yes zionist state is strong by willing of support of USA. They for example created so called Iron Dome system to protect against missile attacks to zionist lands. I costed 50 million dollars. After that several home-made rockets have passed over it. Interesting way to spend 50 million for nothing?

By the way; I don´t believe this "our own countries first" crap. We are all same world, right?

[Threetune]

Israel is militarly speaking to strong to be defeated. Thats the true. So i think that a two state solution is something that should be created. But like i wrote, i dont see any breakthroughs coming any time soon.

Also workers in other countries should concentrate on defeating capitalism in their home countries first. As "we hate Israel" is mostly used as a rally around the flag call in Arab countries.

You started this about Hamas, are you a Palestinian?
The pessimism of anarchism or the anarchism pessimism?

[Dimmu]

You started this about Hamas, are you a Palestinian?
The pessimism of anarchism or the anarchism pessimism?

Oh please.. I rather focus my energy on something that i know i can change. While i am interested in the ME politics i also understand that one state-solution both the Israeli or the Palestinians will not come true, instead we will have this situation where we have a permanent "semi-war" and where the regular Palestinians continue to suffer.

[Dimmu]

By the way; I don´t believe this "our own countries first" crap. We are all same world, right?

True, thats why i support the worker struggle in every country around the globe. I have trouble with leftists who are not really socialists, but mostly anti-imperialists. These people at least in Finland come out to protest every single time when something happens in Palestine, but refuse to come to other protests such as anti-nuclear power one etc.

[sister harb]

Oh please.. I rather focus my energy on something that i know i can change. While i am interested in the ME politics i also understand that one state-solution both the Israeli or the Palestinians will not come true, instead we will have this situation where we have a permanent "semi-war" and where the regular Palestinians continue to suffer.

So in Middle East politics two-state policy is more unlikely. Nobody there believe to it. Zionist theory about is similar like Lieberman´s: zionists are rulers and Palestinians lives in ghettos without rights to keep more than light-armed police forces controlled by zionists.

:sneaky: Did you notice new laws about memorize Nakba? Hopely you know what it is?

What you think about third intifada?

[Dimmu]

So in Middle East politics two-state policy is more unlikely. Nobody there believe to it.
But its still more likely then a one-state solution proposed by both sides.. How do you imagine a one-state solution being implemented? Palestinians are too weak to do it alone and Arabs and the rest are ready to fight to the last Palestinian.




Zionist theory about is similar like Lieberman´s: zionists are rulers and Palestinians lives in ghettos without rights to keep more than light-armed police forces controlled by zionists.
I agree, Lieberman is a nazi. Some people say that throwing a nazi card is wrong, but in this case its unavoidable.


:sneaky: Did you notice new laws about memorize Nakba? Hopely you know what it is?

Of course i know what it is.


What you think about third intifada?

I dream of a secular Palestinian leader who can unite the Palestinian factions and force the Israel and the rest to recognize a Palestinian state. I do not like it when the people and organizations like Hamas lead the line. Its not like Hamas is leftist in any kind of a way. They fight under the green banner of Islam and in my opinion i cannot support anyone who fights because of a fairytale.

[Threetune]

Oh please.. I rather focus my energy on something that i know i can change. While i am interested in the ME politics i also understand that one state-solution both the Israeli or the Palestinians will not come true, instead we will have this situation where we have a permanent "semi-war" and where the regular Palestinians continue to suffer.

It is not a "semi-war". It is an ongoing genocide, supported by the imperialist of Europe and the USA. And is being resisted by Hamas and hopefully with the continued backing of Syria and Iran.

[Dimmu]

It is not a "semi-war". It is an ongoing genocide, supported by the imperialist of Europe and the USA. And is being resisted by Hamas and hopefully with the continued backing of Syria and Iran.



Oh yeah.. You mean how Palestinian issue is being exploited by the Arab states to serve their own interests? It did not save Assad from an uprising.

[sister harb]

I dream of a secular Palestinian leader who can unite the Palestinian factions and force the Israel and the rest to recognize a Palestinian state. I do not like it when the people and organizations like Hamas lead the line. Its not like Hamas is leftist in any kind of a way. They fight under the green banner of Islam and in my opinion i cannot support anyone who fights because of a fairytale.

I have to leave dream about kind of secular leader because he hasn´t exist yet. Last one was Salahuddin (not secular sorry).

Sorry I am muslim and to me green flag is not fairytale. :lol: I respect your non-God-exist- ideology.

Does muslim communist sound strange?

[Dimmu]

I have to leave dream about kind of secular leader because he hasn´t exist yet. Last one was Salahuddin (not secular sorry).

Sorry I am muslim and to me green flag is not fairytale. :lol: I respect your non-God-exist- ideology.

Does muslim communist sound strange?


Well, a communistic society implies a statless and classless society. Organized religion means that people think of each not as brothers and sisters, but as believers and unbelievers. Religion creates classes and religions are hierarchical. I quote Bakunin on this one.


A Boss in Heaven is the best excuse for a boss on earth, therefore If God did exist, he would have to be abolished.


Its not a coincidende that religion is one the favourite tools of the capitalist to divide the working class.

[sister harb]

Well, a communistic society implies a statless and classless society. Organized religion means that people think of each not as brothers and sisters, but as believers and unbelievers. Religion creates classes and religions are hierarchical. I quote Bakunin on this one.


" A Boss in Heaven is the best excuse for a boss on earth, therefore If God did exist, he would have to be abolished."

Its not a coincidende that religion is one the favourite tools of the capitalist to divide the working class.

:confused: Sorry? I didn´t try to insult your opinions about religion/non-religion. I hope you don´t try to it, specially if you don´t understand my religion.

"Boss" in "Heaven" is Allah.

[freepalestine]

i think there is a difference between some one whos a muslim-and follows communist /leftistspolitics,etc.or whatever
but islamist groups in the form of ikhwan,hizbollah,hamas and maybe akp arent represntative of anything but their political views -which,are on the right.

[Dimmu]

i think there is a difference between some one whos a muslim-and follows communist /leftistspolitics,etc.or whatever
but islamist groups in the form of ikhwan,hizbollah,hamas and maybe akp arent represntative of anything but their political views -which,are on the right.

I agree with this one. People who keep faith to themselves are no threat to the communistic ideals.

But like you wrote, as soon as they put these religious ideas on their flags or in their charters, then we have a problem.

[Threetune]

I have to leave dream about kind of secular leader because he hasn´t exist yet. Last one was Salahuddin (not secular sorry).

Sorry I am muslim and to me green flag is not fairytale. :lol: I respect your non-God-exist- ideology.

Does muslim communist sound strange?

Not at all. Two billion-ish Muslim communists would be even better. ;)

[sister harb]

I agree with this one. People who keep faith to themselves are no threat to the communistic ideals.

But like you wrote, as soon as they put these religious ideas on their flags or in their charters, then we have a problem.

Are people whose show they religion some thread? Like using hijab? :lol: Using green flags instead reds?

[Dimmu]

Are people whose show they religion some thread? Like using hijab? :lol: Using green flags instead reds?

Hijabs never really bothered me as long as the women who wear them do it because they want to wear it themselves and not because their husbands forced them too or because they believe that they need to do it because the Quran said so.

Freedom to act and do things that you want is something i hold dear. But not something that is based in the hierarchy.

[sister harb]

Not at all. Two billion-ish Muslim communists would be even better. ;)

Lets make revolution together. :laugh:

[freepalestine]

Hijabs never really bothered me as long as the women who wear them do it because they want to wear it themselves and not because their husbands forced them too or because they believe that they need to do it because the Quran said so.

Freedom to act and do things that you want is something i hold dear. But not something that is based in the hierarchy.what is your opinion of the anarchists against zionism ,in isreal/palestine.they dont support 2states;

[Threetune]

Lets make revolution together. :laugh:

I think we already are. We got some of these thinking – a little.:laugh:

[sister harb]

Hijabs never really bothered me as long as the women who wear them do it because they want to wear it themselves and not because their husbands forced them too or because they believe that they need to do it because the Quran said so.

Freedom to act and do things that you want is something i hold dear. But not something that is based in the hierarchy.

Hijab is freedom. I hope you leave matter of islam and hijab as you might not understand it all.

We keep hijab in cause of Islam. Not for men, neither husbands.

[Dimmu]

what is your opinion of the anarchists against zionism ,in isreal/palestine.they dont support 2states;

Anarchists would not support any side because both Israel and Palestine want to create a nation based on religion(hierarchy).

I reject the Israeli idea where people of Jewish descent get an automatic citizenship just because they are Jews.. I also oppose Israeli policies, but at the same time i also know many Israeli leftists whom i like.

Israel-Palestine conflict is not much different from other conflicts on this planet. In all of these conflicts the rich and the powerful exploit the poor.

[sister harb]

Anarchists would not support any side because both Israel and Palestine want to create a nation based on religion(hierarchy).

I reject the Israeli idea where people of Jewish descent get an automatic citizenship just because they are Jews.. I also oppose Israeli policies, but at the same time i also know many Israeli leftists whom i like.

Israel-Palestine conflict is not much different from other conflicts on this planet. In all of these conflicts the rich and the powerful exploit the poor.

Have you some idea how to resolve this particular conflict? Any realistic ideas? Anarchist one? We all know that two-state doesn´t work as other one doesn´t want it. One-state seems unrealictic? What then?

Khilafah?... Oh no it is islamic solution...

[Threetune]

Hijabs never really bothered me as long as the women who wear them do it because they want to wear it themselves and not because their husbands forced them too or because they believe that they need to do it because the Quran said so.

Freedom to act and do things that you want is something i hold dear. But not something that is based in the hierarchy.



Look mate, there are about 2 billion Muslims. How do you think that your sectarian sounding pessimism is going to play with all the religious workers? – most workers have some religious faith – how could it be otherwise. In the absence of descent communist leadership, what do you expect these workers to use as an ideology? Your wishful thinking?

[freepalestine]

@dimmi

hereis alink to the website of the antizionists/anarchists-who support a onestate solution .
http://www.awalls.org/
also known as anarchists against the wall

also yehuda stern as links to antizionist communist isreal/palestine groups ,such as isl etc

[Dimmu]

@dimmi

hereis alink to the website of the antizionists/anarchists-who support a onestate solution .
http://www.awalls.org/
also known as anarchists against the wall

also yehuda stern as links to antizionist communist isreal/palestine groups ,such as isl etc

I know some people from that organization. And again most of them are against Israeli policies, but they do not wish to see Israel gone.

The problem lies in that there is no way to achieve one-state solution without some kind of massacre and no anarchist is going to support a massacre of workers and regular civilians.

[sister harb]

I know some people from that organization. And again most of them are against Israeli policies, but they do not wish to see Israel gone.

The problem lies in that there is no way to achieve one-state solution without some kind of massacre and no anarchist is going to support a massacre of workers and regular civilians.

I don´t see massacre of anyone by one-state solution (where all are equal, just same what is ethnicity, religion or political backgroud).

:confused: Near history of Palestine is already full of massacres - of Palestinians.

From Deir Yassin via Sabra and Shatila to Gaza War.

[Dimmu]

I don´t see massacre of anyone by one-state solution (where all are equal, just same what is ethnicity, religion or political backgroud).

:confused: Near history of Palestine is already full of massacres - of Palestinians.

From Deir Yassin via Sabra and Shatila to Gaza War.


I dont see how we can get a one-state solution "peacefully". I dont expect the Israelis and Palestinians to sit down and say "lets build a country together". Instead the only way to achieve a one state solution would be to eradicate the opposition.

[Gorilla]

I find this "lol it's all capitalism anyway" line to be pretty questionable when one side is being starved to death in a fucking cage.

Hamas being strike-breaking, anti-worker scum (which they are) is sort of besides the point.

[Threetune]

I find this "lol it's all capitalism anyway" line to be pretty questionable when one side is being starved to death in a fucking cage.

Hamas being strike-breaking, anti-worker scum (which they are) is sort of besides the point.

Sorry you don’t like the way Hamas conduct their resistance war. Perhaps it might be more constructive to tell them what is wrong with their policies. Better still, ask them and yourself, why they and the many workers who voted for them why they are not enamoured with the revisionist and Trotskyist ‘communist’ leaderships that have failed the Palestinians in particular, and Arab masses in general since 1945 onwards.
You may already know the anwer. Just thought I'd mention it.

[Dimmu]

Better still, ask them and yourself, why they and the many workers who voted for them why they are not enamoured with the revisionist and Trotskyist ‘communist’ leaderships that have failed the Palestinians in particular, and Arab masses in general since 1945 onwards.
You may already know the anwer. Just thought I'd mention it.

Because political Islam is not compatible with Marxism.

[mosfeld]

If you are going to criticize the Palestinians, a people who fight with rocks against drones, tanks and a brutal regime which receives billions in aid from Yankee imperialists, then you are, in practice, apologizing for colonialism and Zionism. What should the Palestinians do? Accept absolutely no aid under no circumstances while they're being massacred? Do you want them unarmed while they're being gunned down?

The Zionist cancer is ethnically cleansing and destroying Palestine and its inhabitants. An oppressed people have the right to rebel against their oppressor and they are allowed to do so by whatever means necessary, whether it be with Syrian or Iranian weapons or not. The Zionist entity does not deserve to know peace if they don't want peace and if they deprive the Palestinians of peace.

[Gorilla]

Anarchists would not support any side because both Israel and Palestine want to create a nation based on religion(hierarchy).

That is categorically untrue and shows you know nothing whatsoever about the subject. Palestinian resistance has historically been led by secular left-wing parties with significant representation from people of Christian origin (e.g. George Habash, founder of PFLP). Hamas has only become a significant force recently and even when they won the last election, they did so with only a bit over 40% of the vote - the rest went to secular socialist, left-nationalist and liberal parties.

Palestine has historically been the best educated, most secular, most religiously mixed society in the Arab world. It is still very much all of those things. To the extent religious obscurantism has been gaining a hold it has been because the social-material basis for left politics has been destroyed by occupation and economic exclusion. IE there just isn't as much of a proletariat now that Palestinians are excluded from the Israeli economy and the economy within Palestine has been ground into the dirt.

You really need to check yourself before spouting nonsense like this.

[Dimmu]

That is categorically untrue and shows you know nothing whatsoever about the subject. Palestinian resistance has historically been led by secular left-wing parties with significant representation from people of Christian origin (e.g. George Habash, founder of PFLP). Hamas has only become a significant force recently and even when they 'won' the last election, they did so with only a bit over 40% of the vote - the rest went to secular socialist, left-nationalist and liberal parties.

Palestine has historically been the best educated, most secular, most religiously mixed society in the Arab world. It is still very much all of those things. To the extent religious obscurantism has been gaining a hold, it has been because the social-material basis for left politics has been destroyed by occupation and economic exclusion. IE there just isn't as much of a proletariat now that Palestinians are excluded from the Israeli economy and the economy within Palestine has been ground into the dirt.

You really need to check yourself before spouting nonsense like this.

Not true. They real power in Palestine for the moment lies in the political Islam. You said it yourself, most of the left parties and ideas in Palestine are abandoned by Palestinians who jump over to Hamas and others who have money.

As for PFLP, they are not really a force today.

[Threetune]

Because political Islam is not compatible with Marxism.

As you know full well, that is not the answer to the question put, is it?
But no matter, try and do better with this one.
Since when has Islam not been political?
And this one. Since when has anarchism been compatible with Marxism?

If in any doubt, read Marx and Lenin first hand so that you can quote this best of authority to support your answers.
I don't want you to stay ignorant of Islam or Marxism, so please do try.

[Dimmu]

As you know full well, that is not the answer to the question put, is it?
But no matter, try and do better with this one.
Since when has Islam not been political?
And this one. Since when has anarchism been compatible with Marxism?

If in any doubt, read Marx and Lenin first hand so that you can quote this best of authority to support your answers.
I don't want you to stay ignorant of Islam or Marxism, so please do try.

What? Seriously. I am out of this topic.. Why is it so hard to understand that you can support Palestine without supporting the right-wing nuts like Hamas.

As for your questions.. Islam has always been political and thats why no other ideology can exist while its in control.

And both Anarchists and Marxists desire the same thing, communism.

[Gorilla]

Not true. They real power in Palestine for the moment lies in the political Islam.

It's amazing that you think it appropriate to punish a whole people by putting them under military occupation behind a wall and strangle their economy to death because 44.45% of them voted for an Islamist party. This is not anarchism; you are engaging in common rag-hating. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable on Free Republic.

[Dimmu]

It's amazing that you think it appropriate to punish a whole people by putting them under military occupation behind a wall and strangle their
economy to death because 44.45% of them voted for an Islamist party. This is not anarchism; you are engaging in common rag-hating. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable on Free Republic.

Wut? I think i was quite clear, read my opinions on the first page.

I support the Palestinian people, i do no support Hamas. I do not want to associate myself with any people who base their believes in a fairytale.

Btw nice strawman.

[Gorilla]

I support the Palestinian people.


This is a funny kind of "support":


Instead you have two puppets fighting each other one being a puppet of the US and the other one of Iran and the workers are stuck in between.


Anarchists would not support any side because both Israel and Palestine want to create a nation based on religion(hierarchy).

False equivalences all over the place. I would love to hear your opinions on Bull Connor vs. Martin Luther King.

[Dimmu]

This is a funny kind of "support":





False equivalences all over the place. I would love to hear your opinions on Bull Connor vs. Martin Luther King.


Nice to take some of my quotes out of context. First one is pretty clear.. One side is being armed by Iran and the other one by the USA, its not true?

The 2nd post was a response to why i dont support a one state-solution. I do not support genocides..

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

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