What would you do If you had your own country

[Hawker]

How would you set your government,how would you take care of your people,and would you follow your socialist belief or twist it to your will and turn it to communism just like Lenin did?

[RyeN]

It would depend heavily on what type of country it was. What are the Natural resources, how far in debt would your contry be, how big is it? All these factors and more are very important.

A Socialist Uniuon would be the best way to start I think. Instead of 97% of the wealt going to 3% of the population all the wealth would go to the Prime Minister (ME), then there is no need for taxing and still a surplus in funds. Eliminate Head Corperate Jobs and create a new efficent work system that promoted based on skill, knowledge performance. Advance reasearch for eco friendly energy and transportaion and much more.

With an even distribution of the weath after paying for health care, social services, emrgency services... and more there would be plenty left to pay off the debt and give every one a million Unioin bucks every May Day.

Within years the standard of living would rise above any other in the world. Then you go comunist and use your secret military to conquer the world with peace and love. Why would you need force if everyone wanted to live in your contry already.

[FabFabian]

Two words : Benevolent Dictatorship

:P

[Lardlad95]

This post is theoretical so in theory it goes

[Purple]

If I owned a country I would give it away to somebody that knew how to rule.... And if he or she became to insane or something I'd kick their ass :D !


And of course; it would be a leftist nation.... duh :) ..... :wub:

[Vinny Rafarino]

Mummify the Hack Redstar2000, build him a mausoleum and drop him in a glass case. Just cos I know he would want it that way.

[sc4r]

First of all I would put all the trees in a tree museum.

Then I would make a huge paddling pool right in the middle.

I would erect a giant TV screen at each corner. One one screen there would be non stop episodes of Crossroads and corrie; on another MTV clasic hits would endlessly show, I the south corner there would be comedy (mostly featring Benny Hill and Spike milligan, while the other would be pay per view).

Along one side I would lay out the worlds biggest Slaextric track.

Along another (North) would be a giant ice slide.

All my people would be happy, lovely and would love me, and they would not work.

Pretty soon the idea would catch on and all countries would be like this.

[redstar2000]

Well, I'd have to have a cabinet of "experts" to advise me, of course...

Comrade RAF---Minister of Livestock Management

Sc4r---Minister of Wage-Slavery

Chairman Mao---Minister of Public Morality

Moskitto---Minister of Women's Health

Enema/AK47---Minister of War

elijahcraig---Minister of Children's Affairs

I think a group like this should enable me to retire quickly from public life and return to my favorite occupation...giving the charlatans a hard time.

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[Saint-Just]

Why would I be Minister of Public Morality? Knowing my own views I can see why you may find that funny. However, I do not remember talking with you about my morality so where did you get that idea?

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 02:49 PM
Well, I'd have to have a cabinet of "experts" to advise me, of course...

Comrade RAF---Minister of Livestock Management

Sc4r---Minister of Wage-Slavery

Chairman Mao---Minister of Public Morality

Moskitto---Minister of Women's Health

Enema/AK47---Minister of War

elijahcraig---Minister of Children's Affairs

I think a group like this should enable me to retire quickly from public life and return to my favorite occupation...giving the charlatans a hard time.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas
me then?i wanna too :D i wanna get part of ur goverment too

[Vinny Rafarino]

The hack's a sneaky bastard.


That version ios much better than what you propose hack;


Redstar2000....minister o.....whoops, the society already collapsed. Better luck next time.

[YKTMX]

I'd declare it socialist, build a monument to Marx and then watch the adulation roll in :cool:

[Red Flag]

i thought we would get some more intresting answers in here, or at least more serious.. no matter though..

there are countries right now which allow you to start a self governing community under certain guidlines, canada for example.

but i'd declare my community a free community, hold open elections for a representative, that would represent the community in all foriegn affairs. all decissions would be made by a vote of the people, majority rules.

hold more elections for treasurer, security, education, and health representatives. campaigning would not be allowed, journalists would be responsable for providing the facts on each canidate.

the canidates would be in charge of presenting information and enforcing the findings of the people, but ALL DECISSIONS would come to a national vote.

Internal production would be communal, even distrobution to all people in the community. Education and health care would also free and funded by internal production.

We would work towards complete self sufficiency.

let me know your ideas or thoughts.

[redstar2000]

I thought we would get some more interesting answers in here, or at least more serious.. no matter though..

"What would you do if you had your own country?" is not a serious or even interesting question.

This kind of question could only be asked by someone who took the idea of "benevolent" dictatorship seriously...much more seriously than any figure in recorded history.

If you want to talk about the shape of post-capitalist society, that's a serious topic. If you want to take about starting a "self-governing community" in Canada, that should probably be a thread in the Practice forum.

But if you want to fantasize about being a "god" on earth, expect jokes...and the thread will probably be moved to Chit-Chat.

I note that the sheep-herded wishes to mummify my remains and display them in a glass case...a truly unexpected but much appreciated tribute.

Still, I'd settle for a cardboard box and cremation if instead I could get him to understand the difference between communism and Leninism...and choose communism.

Looks like it's going to be the glass case.

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[Vinny Rafarino]

Indeed it is hack, indeed it is.

[Rastafari]

I'd run a peaceful country with either a staple-exporting economy or a heavy technology one. Only Staple-Exporting if I had belligerent neighbors. I'd trade these goods to European countries for limited numbers of nuclear weapons to protect myself and I would advocate a self-sufficient economy where the people could always feed themselves without the government's help. I would advocate complete freedom in the way of Sexuality, Speech, and Drugs. The state religion would be none, so people would be free to slavishly follow whatever pantheon they wanted. I would be caught often having relationships with the most beautiful girls of the county, and they would call me daddy. They would feed me grapes and I would be able to call them whatever name I wanted and they would let me defecate on them. They would all be my closest advisors, and they would be of all races and religious views. Then I would be overthrown and killed at an early age...

:unsure: Alas, it was only a dream...


or was it!? :blink:
yes it was :(


Either that, or I'd have a country where every street was painted white, and all the trees would solid pink. We would play Beatles all day long and eat only the freshest tropical fruits.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 02:49 PM
Well, I'd have to have a cabinet of "experts" to advise me, of course...

Comrade RAF---Minister of Livestock Management

Sc4r---Minister of Wage-Slavery

Chairman Mao---Minister of Public Morality

Moskitto---Minister of Women's Health

Enema/AK47---Minister of War

elijahcraig---Minister of Children's Affairs

I think a group like this should enable me to retire quickly from public life and return to my favorite occupation...giving the charlatans a hard time.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas
Elijah...children's affairs?

U sir are a comic genius

[sc4r]

Sorry REd but for once I have to agree with RS. The way the topic was introduced made it into something one could not serously answer.

However you've done better with your 2md post. You've made it clear you are talking about what form of government you would like.

In broad terms I'd go along with you. I share your views on an effective direct democracy with as close to perfect agreement as we ever likely to get.

I will pick you up on one line though. This one :

"Internal production would be communal, even distrobution to all people in the community.... ."

This idea crops up time and time again. Something like it actually underlies nearly all naive Anarchist notions, and most Communist ones; even most Marxist Socialist ones.

But think about it. Do you seriously expect the 'needs' of all people to be the same? I cant imagine that they would be. And this being so you are actually doing a pretty bad job of satisfying those needs if you create a manufacturing and distributional system geared towards giving everyone the same.

Which raises the question of how exactly are you going to ensure that in fact everyone gets not equal goods and services, the same goods in other words; but a fair share?

You cannot realistically say 'help yourself' and rely on their goodwill. Because even if you make the massive assumption unsupported by experience, that they actually will behave in this perfect way, they will have no way of knowing what a fair share actually is.

You cant ask them take only what they really really need. Because that means bare subsistence (exactly what we are supposed to be eliminating).

So how do you do it ?

Answer you give them an allocation of an exchange amount, a budget, or more prosaicly you simply give them an amount of money. Then you allow them to decide for themselves what they will exchange it for.

IF you leave it at that, and specify that the price will equal cost of production then you have something. BUT you still have no way of ensuring that the extent of a desire is reflected in what people get (unless for some magical reason you have unlimited quantities of everything). Which means you still have not done a very accurate job of satisfying the most need.

You also by the way have an extreme;ly difficult job in ascertaining just what the cost actually is, and an even more difficult job ensuring that it is as low as it could be.

So you create a market. Not a capitalist market, you dont allow trade in means of production or rights to others production, only in commodities. You dont allow individuals to take a profit which they can re-invest in this market. You use it merely to establish desire levels and ensure that they are satisfied to the best extent your current production facilities will allow.

In other words you run a system of market socialism.

Mareket socialism allows 'from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs' to mean something definite, rather than being merely a vague promise which means either living at base level or asuming infinite production capability.

Best wishes.

[Red Flag]

The elected Health Representative will determine how much each adult or child would need to be comfortable, then its divided as such.

[sc4r]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 24 2003, 07:29 PM
The elected Health Representative will determine how much each adult or child would need to be comfortable, then its divided as such.
Oh good. That solves the riddle of how to make an entire economy perform in order to deliver to each individual what he or she needs and/or wants.

Sarcasm off.

It does not even solve the question of how to deliver healthcare to those who need it mate. And strangely enough, healthcare is one of the very easiest problems to solve in this context.

Can you guys find it in you to recognise that just possibly reconciling the needs and desires of millions of individuals for thousands, possibly 100,000's of different things, making the production of those things match those desires, finding the least expensive ways to do this, avoiding waste, avoiding needless damage to the planet, and several 100 other simliar considerations ALL AT THE SAME TIME; is just a wee bit more complex than running a free sweet shop?

Apparently not.

Socialism is nicer than capitalism in my view. If it were not, none of us would be interested would we? But that does not mean that it can afford to be impractical. If you want promises of endless wealth, happiness, and complete loveliness, delivered in mysterious ways automatically and without any need for thought as to how then read some Harry Potter or write to Santa. SOCIALISM IS ABOUT ACTUALLY FINDING A WAYT TO BEST APPROXIMATE complete loveliness; not about merely wishing for it.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by Lardlad95+Sep 24 2003, 12:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lardlad95 @ Sep 24 2003, 12:24 AM)
[email protected] 23 2003, 02:49 PM
Well, I&#39;d have to have a cabinet of "experts" to advise me, of course...

Comrade RAF---Minister of Livestock Management

Sc4r---Minister of Wage-Slavery

Chairman Mao---Minister of Public Morality

Moskitto---Minister of Women&#39;s Health

Enema/AK47---Minister of War

elijahcraig---Minister of Children&#39;s Affairs

I think a group like this should enable me to retire quickly from public life and return to my favorite occupation...giving the charlatans a hard time.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas
Elijah...children&#39;s affairs?

U sir are a comic genius [/b]
I thought we all agreed that Stalinists eat babies...

[redstar2000]

My understanding is that babies have disappeared from stalinist menus.

It seems that the babies were kicking their asses too badly to continue the practice.

So they&#39;re back to their regular rations of excrement.

They like the taste better anyway.

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A site about communist ideas

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 23 2003, 03:57 PM
Why would I be Minister of Public Morality? Knowing my own views I can see why you may find that funny. However, I do not remember talking with you about my morality so where did you get that idea?
Hell, your not getting my job. :D

But if I were going to create my own nation I would make a big zoo and call it geriatric park and put all the old dinosaurs like Redstar in it and small children can come and gawp at them.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I wouldn&#39;t have a country, I&#39;d have a Ravening Horde; The Bane of the West.
A vast nomadic army that wanders the continents looting, ravaging cities and setting fire to oilfields.

[crazy comie]

Make it help world wide socialist revoulotion

[ComradeRobertRiley]

This is similar to the post: Unite for a socialist colony (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=17871)

Everyone should check it out