I don't understand this:

[The Man]

What are Adolf Hitler's claims about how the Bolsheviks were a "Jewish Conspiracy"? How is that even so? What's the whole point behind that?

[Omsk]

The point is that he was a nutjob.

[Impulse97]

What are Adolf Hitler's claims about how the Bolsheviks were a "Jewish Conspiracy"? How is that even so? What's the whole point behind that?

I honestly don't think he had or needed a reason. The Communists represented a threat to Nazi Germany and he was willing to do and say anything to ensure that the population would accept his plans for war against Russia. Not to mention that since he hated the Jews he could turn anything that was a threat to Nazi Germany or his 'Master Race' or that he just plain didn't like, into a 'Jewish Conspiracy'.

Much like some Marxists overuse the word Fascist, even when the target isn't one. It makes your case sound stronger to those who think like you or that can be won to your side.

[OhYesIdid]

The point is that he was a nutjob.

Pretty much. Remember Glenn Beck's claims that the Muslims and the communists are actually one and the same (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw)? Same thing.
I think, above all, the point was to be able to unify both kinds of idiocy into simple slogans. By making both Bolsheviks and Jews part of the same evil team, attacking one is attacking the other, and in propaganda, conciseness is everything.

[communard71]

There were a lot of prominent intellectuals in the Bolshevik movement, and many of the leaders came from nominal or even prominent Jewish backgrounds. Still, ComradeErich hit it on the head; Hitler was a drooling idiot who utilized ancient grudges and easy stereotypes to mobilize his base because the truth (that there was no conspiracy linking Russian Communists to Jewish society anywhere in the world) is wicked boring: Bolsheviks were highly motivated cadre who’s raison d’être was to combat the Imperialist/Capitalist system in Russia and later, the world.

[Pretty Flaco]

The Bolsheviks had a large number of Jews in their ranks, and many of the top german socialists and communists at the time were Jews, so in Hitler's twisted mind, communism = jewish conspiracy. Not only that, but Germany at that period was heavily influenced by the concept of volk, so labeling communism as Jewish strengthened the ground of the Nazis.

[The Man]

So the Jews created and wanted Capitalism, but they wanted Communism? :lol:

Nazism = Bullcrappery

[Georgy_zhukov]

What are Adolf Hitler's claims about how the Bolsheviks were a "Jewish Conspiracy"? How is that even so? What's the whole point behind that?

He had a good reason for it. Lenin himself was jew and about 80% of whom got him into power were jews. Plus not a small % of the members in the CECCS at the end of the '20s were jews. Other notable jews in high positions were Leon Trotsky(Lenin's right hand), Julius Martov (leader of the Mensheviks plus almost all of the mensheviks were jews), Genrikh Yagoda (director of NKVD during the Great purge), Felix Dzerzhinsky (leader of Cheka) and so forth. But things changed during Stalin and mostly during the Great purge in which jews were victims too. Ive read some arguments that he purged the jews so it can help him in his diplomatic effort towards Hitler. He also resettled jews into the "Jewish Autonomous Oblast.

[Octavian]

YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND
Hitler's unquestionable logic:
The jews are capitalists and they own everything
They want to be communists and own everything so they give all their money to everyone
Then they have a centralized bank
and everyone puts their money in the bank
Suddenly everyones a Jew
THE WORLD BURSTS INTO FLAMES

This is the world Hitler prevented.

[Magón]

Trotsky was a Jew.

[Tim Finnegan]

Trotsky was a Jew.
More to the point, so was Marx, at least by the anti-Semitic reckoning. For some reason, that Engels was Aryan as all hell never seemed to cross Hitler's mind...

[GallowsBird]

What are Adolf Hitler's claims about how the Bolsheviks were a "Jewish Conspiracy"? How is that even so? What's the whole point behind that?


It is simple, comrade. Hitler is Hitler and saw Jews pouring out of his bedposts.

To be honest Marxism did lend itself to Nazi accusations of being "Jewish" when you consider that Karl Marx had Jewish ancestors, Trotsky was raised a Jew, if I recall Lenin had some Jewish ancestors and many Jews supported Marxism as they were in a dire state in Europe and especially the Russian Empire and Germany where regular pogroms occurred against them along with Tsarist government propaganda such as 'Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion' being published and becoming best sellers.
The right in that era, and especially the Nazis tended to blame any "dissent" on a Jewish plot. The Tsar's government claimed it and then it was picked up by the Nazi party and used to support their ideology and crimes against citizens of Germany and nations conquered by Nazi Germany.

[Os Cangaceiros]

More to the point, so was Marx, at least by the anti-Semitic reckoning. For some reason, that Engels was Aryan as all hell never seemed to cross Hitler's mind...

I think it's funny to read discussions on Stormfront in which some American white nationalist claims that communism is a "jewish ideology" cuz Marx was a jew, and therefore capitalism is better, only to be informed that David Ricardo and like a million other capitalist ideologues were/are jews. I've actually seen that exchange happen several times.

Nazis just can't catch a break.

[Kronsteen]

Does anyone remember a whackjob book called The Pink Swastika? By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, it seriously argued that the German nazi party was...a gay sex club that got into politics. And naziism is therefore a 'homosexual ideology'.

The authors cherry-picked data about the few prominant nazis who were also gay men, invented a load more, and concocted a big, wobbly conspiracy theory out of it.

Obviously it's rubbish, but there's a clear (invalid) syllogism at the heart of it:


All nazis are bad.
All homosexuals are bad.
Therefore all nazis are homsexuals.

There's plenty of hate theories with this structure - eg, Freemasons are bad, the Government is bad, therefore the government is freemasonic etc.

Hitler's jewish theory of bolshevism is no different.

[ComradeOm]

The whole Judeo-Bolshevik myth is nothing more than the intersection of two common prejudices. Anti-Semitism obviously has a long history and was particularly used by the authorities in Tsarist Russia as a means of maintaining state control. Obviously socialism was not particularly popular amongst the privileged classes either. Preying on the presence of a number of prominent Jewish Bolsheviks it was a short step to associate one with the other during the Civil War and later during the tense and often violent class wars of post-war Europe

Ditto with the US. The presence of a large Jewish population combined with increasing fears as to 'Americanisation' led Hitler to construct a grand conspiracy in which Germany's primary enemies (Moscow and Washington) were part of the same Jewish plot


He had a good reason for it. Lenin himself was jew and about 80% of whom got him into power were jewsWot? The people who put Lenin* in power were the Russian workers. Or, to be more precise, the delegates of the Second Congress of Soviets. They were certainly not overwhelmingly Jews. Nor does the presence of a disproportionate number of Jews (compared to the wider population) mean that the upper echelons of the Bolshevik Party predominately Jewish. They were not


...plus almost all of the mensheviks were jews...Tsereteli, Skobelev, Ramishvili, Martinov, Vyshinsky, Devdariani, Zhordania, to name but a few, might disagree with you. Plus of course the countless rank-and-file members whose records are lost to history. Here you are doing exactly what Hitler and others have always done - take a small and selective sample of a movement and use this to mischaracterise the rest. The only political party in Imperial Russia that could be said to be majority Jewish was the Bund

*Whose Jewish ancestry is still a matter for debate. However whether or not his any of his ancestors were Jewish is not particularly noteworthy because he certainly did not identify as Jewish or belong to the Jewish milieu. In fact even his opponents did not really emphasise this - they were much more likely to comment on his Kalmyk blood

[GallowsBird]

Does anyone remember a whackjob book called The Pink Swastika? By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, it seriously argued that the German nazi party was...a gay sex club that got into politics. And naziism is therefore a 'homosexual ideology'.



Of course it is, hence the Nazis dress like gay sadomasochist nightclub patrons!:rolleyes:

[agnixie]

Does anyone remember a whackjob book called The Pink Swastika? By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, it seriously argued that the German nazi party was...a gay sex club that got into politics. And naziism is therefore a 'homosexual ideology'.

The authors cherry-picked data about the few prominant nazis who were also gay men, invented a load more, and concocted a big, wobbly conspiracy theory out of it.

Obviously it's rubbish, but there's a clear (invalid) syllogism at the heart of it:



There's plenty of hate theories with this structure - eg, Freemasons are bad, the Government is bad, therefore the government is freemasonic etc.

Hitler's jewish theory of bolshevism is no different.

He had a long theory as to why they hated Hirschfeld's homosexuality, making it into a homosexual civil war. Also I once met an old whackjob who believed in the trifecta of jewish homosexual freemasons bringing about the end of the world (and seems to have assumed I was jewish on top of the homosexuality, but I realized it was surprisingly common).

[Delenda Carthago]

Pretty much. Remember Glenn Beck's claims that the Muslims and the communists are actually one and the same (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw)? Same thing.
I think, above all, the point was to be able to unify both kinds of idiocy into simple slogans. By making both Bolsheviks and Jews part of the same evil team, attacking one is attacking the other, and in propaganda, conciseness is everything.
Ιn the future, the followers of the big prophet Glenn Beck will be forming theories about how Mohamed was behind the communist conspiracy.

[ComradeOm]

Does anyone remember a whackjob book called The Pink Swastika? By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, it seriously argued that the German nazi party was...a gay sex club that got into politics. And naziism is therefore a 'homosexual ideology'.

The authors cherry-picked data about the few prominant nazis who were also gay men, invented a load more, and concocted a big, wobbly conspiracy theory out of itWhile I can't comment on that particular work, this is in many ways a surprisingly common thesis. Or at least elements of it are. Sartre is probably one of the more famous proponents of it, noting in his What is a Collaborator? that collaboration/fascism was "a mixture of masochism and homosexuality". While I don't necessarily agree with this, or the broader argument, it certainly is true that probably a majority of the leading French intellectuals who sympathised with fascism (Jouhandeau, Montherlant, Fay, Brasillach, Peyrefitte, etc) were homosexual. Even those that weren't tended to express the relationship between Nazi Germany and defeated France in gender terms