fighting feudalism with capitalism to get to socialism.

[eric922]

First of all, I have no clue if this is true or not, since it is just something someone told me. Anyway I was talking to a Marxist from another website and he told me that he talked to a a lowering ranking member of the Communist Party of China, and asked him what their rationale for capitalism was. According to him, the Chinese person told him that there was so much Feudalism in China that they were trying to use Capitalism to fight the Feudalism before going to Socialism. I was just wondering if anyone could confirm or deny this rumor or had even heard it?

[chegitz guevara]

That's the theory. Whether it is true or not is another thing.

[Nolan]

That's the excuse. In reality they just want the capitalism.

[agnixie]

First of all, I have no clue if this is true or not, since it is just something someone told me. Anyway I was talking to a Marxist from another website and he told me that he talked to a a lowering ranking member of the Communist Party of China, and asked him what their rationale for capitalism was. According to him, the Chinese person told him that there was so much Feudalism in China that they were trying to use Capitalism to fight the Feudalism before going to Socialism. I was just wondering if anyone could confirm or deny this rumor or had even heard it?

Cute, so I guess that explains how they dupe their working members. Maybe that's why the CPUSA is for the Democratic party!

[Gorilla]

First of all, I have no clue if this is true or not, since it is just something someone told me. Anyway I was talking to a Marxist from another website and he told me that he talked to a a lowering ranking member of the Communist Party of China, and asked him what their rationale for capitalism was. According to him, the Chinese person told him that there was so much Feudalism in China that they were trying to use Capitalism to fight the Feudalism before going to Socialism. I was just wondering if anyone could confirm or deny this rumor or had even heard it?

This is both bullshit and completely true.

It is bullshit in that it is being used as an excuse to dismantle socialism.

It is completely true in that every communist revolution so far has been concerned primarily with abolishing feudalism and accomplishing the tasks of national-democratic revolution that were in the first world accomplished by the bourgeoisie. So on that count, being primarily concerned with smashing feudal patterns that continue to exist (they do) is perfectly in keeping with all heretofore-existing Communist practice.

(Although nothing did more to advance feudalism than when Deng abolished the rural communes. And they portray the Great Leap Forward as a reckless and inhumane experiment...)

[Rafiq]

If the Chinese Communist Party is telling the absolute truth, than they should have no problem with the Chinese workers organizing and protecting their class interests. The Chinese Communist Party must meet a Worker's revolution with no reaction.

If they intend on 'using capitalism to abolish feudalism', than surely the purpose of capitalism coming before socialism is the creation of the Proletarian itself, and the establishment of a genuine industrial(sometimes) work force.

This is why I advocate the Nepali Maoists protect the interests of the workers in Nepal, until capitalism could finally develop.

The purpose of a Communist Party is to assist and aid the working class against the Bourgeoisie. Obviously this is not the case in the PRC. So, if the Chinese State is expecting the workers organize and overthrow the state, and the bourgeoisie.

What other reason should capitalism develop, other than to create class struggle? Class struggle involves overthrowing the State, backed by the bourgeoisie.



Obviously the Communist party of China is just making an excuse to protect the Chinese bourgeoisie,Otherwise the Chinese government wouldn't meet protest with violence and oppression!

[HEAD ICE]

The whole formula that society has to go through 'stages' before it can reach socialism is non-Marxist, idealist, and reactionary.

Advocates like to throw down the phrase "material conditions" in advocating stage theory, but in reality it is total idealism. Saying that society must go through certain stages before it can reach socialism is irrespective of the actual material conditions of present day capitalism in its imperialist phase, and it is simply just a all applying principle rather than a materialist analysis.

Capitalism is a global system and encompasses all national territories. However, instead of the progressive function of capitalism transforming "feudal relations" (nearly all of the examples given by stageists are not feudal, so they give a meaningless nonsense word called 'semi-feudalism' to defend their pro-capitalist politics) into capitalist relations, it has instead kept those relations and incorporated them into the capitalist system. 'Semi-feudalism' is thus as much a part of modern capitalism as the industrial proletariat.

Because of this, there is only one thing on the agenda for the working class: proletarian revolution. Any attempt to deviate or postpone the march of the working class from their liberation is nothing but a preservation of capitalism against the progressive proletariat, thus it is thoroughly reactionary.

[Black Sheep]

Isn't stagism based on dialectics? Or rationalized by it. (where are you Rosaaaaa)

Also isn't Trotsky's permanent revolution a solution to this?

[The Man]

My former friend (Now a National Socialist), said a while back that he was a Capitalist and Communist at the same time. He said "I am a Capitalist because I want Capitalism, and once it comes, I want it to fail":D