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Nothing Human Is Alien
30th March 2011, 23:18
By Mark Hosenball

WASHINGTON | Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:43pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday.

Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the last two or three weeks, according to government sources familiar with the matter.

Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency. This is a necessary legal step before such action can take place but does not mean that it will.

The CIA and the White House declined immediate comment.

News that Obama had given the authorization surfaced as the President and other U.S. and allied officials spoke openly about the possibility of sending arms supplies to Gaddafi's opponents, who are fighting better-equipped government forces.

The United States is part of a coalition, with NATO members and some Arab states, which is conducting air strikes on Libyan government forces under a U.N. mandate aimed at protecting civilians opposing Gaddafi.

Interviews by U.S. networks on Tuesday, Obama said the objective was for Gaddafi to "ultimately step down" from power. He spoke of applying "steady pressure, not only militarily but also through these other means" to force Gaddafi out.

Obama said the U.S. had not ruled out providing military hardware to rebels. "It's fair to say that if we wanted to get weapons into Libya, we probably could. We're looking at all our options at this point," he told ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer.

In Washington, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton insisted to reporters on Wednesday that no decision had yet been taken.

U.S. officials monitoring events in Libya say neither Gaddafi's forces nor the rebels, who have asked the West for heavy weapons, now appear able to make decisive gains.

While U.S. and allied airstrikes have seriously damaged Gaddafi's military forces and disrupted his chain of command, officials say, rebel forces remain disorganized and unable to take full advantage of western military support.

SPECIFIC OPERATIONS

People familiar with U.S. intelligence procedures said that Presidential covert action "findings" are normally crafted to provide broad authorization for a range of potential U.S. government actions to support a particular covert objective.

In order for specific operations to be carried out under the provisions of such a broad authorization -- for example the delivery of cash or weapons to anti-Gaddafi forces -- the White House also would have to give additional "permission" allowing such activities to proceed.

Former officials say these follow-up authorizations are known in the intelligence world as "'Mother may I' findings."

In 2009 Obama gave a similar authorization for the expansion of covert U.S. counter-terrorism actions by the CIA in Yemen. The White House does not normally confirm such orders have been issued.

Because U.S. and allied intelligence agencies still have many questions about the identities and leadership of anti-Gaddafi forces, any covert U.S. activities are likely to proceed cautiously until more information about the rebels can be collected and analyzed, officials said.

"The whole issue on (providing rebels with) training and equipment requires knowing who the rebels are," said Bruce Riedel, a former senior CIA Middle East expert who has advised the Obama White House.

Riedel said that helping the rebels to organize themselves and training them how use weapons effectively would be more urgent then shipping them arms.

ARMS EMBARGO

Sending in weapons would arguably violate an arms embargo on Libya by the U.N. Security Council imposed on February 26, although British, U.S. and French officials have suggested there may be a loophole.

Getting a waiver would require the agreement of all 15 council members, which is unlikely at this stage. Diplomats say any countries that decided to arm the rebels would be unlikely to seek formal council approval.

An article in early March on the website of the Voice of America, the U.S. government's broadcasting service, speculated on possible secret operations in Libya and defined a covert action as "any U.S. government effort to change the economic, military, or political situation overseas in a hidden way."

The article, by VOA intelligence correspondent Gary Thomas, said covert action "can encompass many things, including propaganda, covert funding, electoral manipulation, arming and training insurgents, and even encouraging a coup."

U.S. officials also have said that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, whose leaders despise Gaddafi, have indicated a willingness to supply Libyan rebels with weapons.

Members of Congress have expressed anxiety about U.S. government activities in Libya. Some have recalled that weapons provided by the U.S. and Saudis to mujahedeen fighting Soviet occupation forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s later ended up in the hands of anti-American militants.

There are fears that the same thing could happen in Libya unless the U.S. is sure who it is dealing with. The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, said on Wednesday he opposed supplying arms to the Libyan rebels fighting Gaddafi "at this time."

"We need to understand more about the opposition before I would support passing out guns and advanced weapons to them," Rogers said in a statement.

(Additional reporting by Susan Cornwell in Washington and Louis Charbonneau at the United Nations; Editing by David Storey)

Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk
30th March 2011, 23:46
this is what they meant by 'any other means' then in the resolution.

Amphictyonis
30th March 2011, 23:54
http://www1.wsws.org/articles/2011/mar2011/pers-m28.shtml



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Ocean Seal
31st March 2011, 00:06
Yes, I think that one thing that a lot of leftists have forgotten here is that while you might sympathize with a group attempting to fight Gaddafi you have to keep in mind that they are being actively supported by the United States/EU Allies. Now even if among these rebels there were genuine socialists, rabid anti-imperialists and so on, it wouldn't matter very much because the imperial powers have already decided to interfere. Once the rebels/powers take over, Libya will not be in a bargaining position and the imperial powers will ensure that their investment was worthwhile. No matter who is among the rebels, it is now very likely that the revolution will be co-opted to serve the purposes of the imperial powers. They have already sunk a large amount of capital into the war.

Nothing Human Is Alien
31st March 2011, 00:11
Yes, I think that one thing that a lot of leftists have forgotten here is that while you might sympathize with a group attempting to fight Gaddafi you have to keep in mind that they are being actively supported by the United States/EU Allies

That's what happens when you ignore class content in favor of political labels or current activities.

If the proletarian revolution broke out in Libya, there would be no need to wonder whether or not NATO was backing it.

Kassad
31st March 2011, 00:22
A lot of the radical left needs to reconsider its entire means of analysis at this point. When you ignore class composition and the effects of imperialism, you wind up cheerleading as cruise missiles and CIA operatives flood into a sovereign country.

L.A.P.
31st March 2011, 00:26
Exclusive: Obama authorizes secret help for Libya rebels

I guess not.

Nothing Human Is Alien
31st March 2011, 00:27
A lot of the radical left needs to reconsider its entire means of analysis at this point. When you ignore class composition and the effects of imperialism, you wind up cheerleading as cruise missiles and CIA operatives flood into a sovereign country.

Either that or you end up like your organization, cheerleading every force in the world that comes into conflict with the United States even temporarily, even if they lead capitalist states and exploit, torture and kill working people.

Two sides of the same coin...

manic expression
31st March 2011, 00:53
Either that or you end up like your organization, cheerleading every force in the world that comes into conflict with the United States even temporarily, even if they lead capitalist states and exploit, torture and kill working people.

Two sides of the same coin...
Opposing imperialism isn't that at all. It's simply recognizing that imperialist conquest of a country isn't at all progress for the workers of that country.

Kassad
31st March 2011, 00:56
Either that or you end up like your organization, cheerleading every force in the world that comes into conflict with the United States even temporarily, even if they lead capitalist states and exploit, torture and kill working people.

Two sides of the same coin...

Yeah, or we could end up like your Party of World Revolution that became a very successful leader in working class struggles across the country. :laugh:

You're like a raving lunatic in the streets telling me that the end is near, but hell if you have a better way forward. Go spew your rhetoric to someone who cares.

Meanwhile, legitimate anti-imperialists called this from miles away. We realized that the United States had an interest in hijacking the opposition in Libya and now they are turning it in their favor. If they succeed in outing Qaddafi, Libya will be run by a U.S. puppet and imperialism will have a strategic base in controlling the revolutions going on in the Middle East and Africa.

Jose Gracchus
31st March 2011, 05:42
A lot of the radical left needs to reconsider its entire means of analysis at this point. When you ignore class composition and the effects of imperialism, you wind up cheerleading as cruise missiles and CIA operatives flood into a sovereign country.

Edward Herman called it right: the "Cruise Missile Left".

black magick hustla
31st March 2011, 19:21
Yeah, or we could end up like your Party of World Revolution that became a very successful leader in working class struggles across the country. :laugh:
.

moonbat calling moonbat, moonbat.

#FF0000
31st March 2011, 19:41
y'all realize literally no one thinks us involvement in libya is a good thing right

Kassad
31st March 2011, 20:14
moonbat calling moonbat, moonbat.

Astounding analysis. Anything else?

black magick hustla
31st March 2011, 20:35
Astounding analysis. Anything else?
not really i am just being a prick because you are a prick and half of your posts is tooting your pathetic horn (that nobody listens except nerds like me who are procrastinating instead of writing papers and maybe one or other community organizer and wingnut).

Kassad
31st March 2011, 21:35
not really i am just being a prick because you are a prick and half of your posts is tooting your pathetic horn (that nobody listens except nerds like me who are procrastinating instead of writing papers and maybe one or other community organizer and wingnut).

The working class thanks you graciously.

gorillafuck
31st March 2011, 21:40
y'all realize literally no one thinks us involvement in libya is a good thing rightsome do, sadly. This is one of the few times when a noticeable deal the revlefters that the PSL are accusing of supporting imperialism actually do support imperialists.

#FF0000
31st March 2011, 23:15
some do, sadly. This is one of the few times when a noticeable deal the revlefters that the PSL are accusing of supporting imperialism actually do support imperialists.

welp

black magick hustla
1st April 2011, 00:15
The working class thanks you graciously.
i am part of the working class homebrother