Has the great firewall of China banned Revleft?

[Red Future]

I a havent seen any posts recenlty by Sunfarstar who is in China and he is along term member , have Chinese members been blocked by the CCP ?:confused:

[Red Commissar]

We had this issue last time and then it seemed that Shanghai wasn't blocked. However running the test with what tools the internet has:

http://www.just-ping.com/index.php?vh=www.revleft.com&c=&s=ping%21

http://www.watchmouse.com/en/ping.php?vtt=1301501718&varghost=www.revleft.com&vhost=_&vaction=ping&ping=start

http://www.websitepulse.com/help/testtools.china-test.html

All seem to give connection problems from Shanghai. Hong Kong seems OK and Beijing is marked with "Monitoring station temporarily not available".

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I was in Shanghai from late September to early December of '10. I had no problems accessing this site. I don't know about the rest of China.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Haha how do you Stalinists justify that?

Edit: Nah I don't actually care.

[Red_Struggle]

Haha how do you Stalinists justify that?

China is not "stalinist", and most Communists are not fond of the Chinese government. If anything, we advocate public internet service.

[Sir Comradical]

Haha how do you Stalinists justify that?

Edit: Nah I don't actually care.

"Stalinists" don't defend post-Mao China.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Haha how do you Stalinists justify that?




its justified because its full of liberals and anarchists. who seriously wants to read this shit anyways.

[Agent Ducky]

its justified because its full of liberals and anarchists. who seriously wants to read this shit anyways.

And communists who don't support China's current state... Which is a lot of them.

[Rusty Shackleford]

my post was not serious.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

How will the CCP keep up on all the leftist gossip if they've banned Revleft. I suspect this ban is the cause of the increasingly capitalistic Chinese state, without Revleft as an e-vanguard leading the masses into a glorious future the CCP has lost its way, we must set up brigades of dedicated comrades to travel deep into the heart of darkness, and re-connect China to revleft, although most will not return, there names will live on forever, as a testmient to the struggle of the working classes.

[Toppler]

There is no evidence that it is actually banned in China.
Also, it can be circumvented with a simple proxy server. I did it last year in an internet cafe in Beijing, with different websites, using hidemyass.com.

The filter only really works on people who don't know much about the internet.

[Salyut]

I a havent seen any posts recenlty by Sunfarstar who is in China and he is along term member , have Chinese members been blocked by the CCP ?:confused:
I thought he'd been arrested for trade union activism.

Hope he's ok. :(

[Gorilla]

I thought he'd been arrested for trade union activism.

Hope he's ok. :(

Yeah, seriously. Wasn't he just like a weird/friendly troll mostly? Hope he's alright.

[gorillafuck]

I thought he'd been arrested for trade union activism.

Hope he's ok. :(Where did you hear that?

[Agent Ducky]

my post was not serious.

Did I say it was? Lol.

[Salyut]

Where did you hear that?

He posted about it. It was pretty much the last thing I heard about him. :(

[Impulse97]

I doubt this is the right place, but since the topic is kinda going in this direction I'll just post it here.

What does everyone think we should do to get China, Cuba etc etc back on track to real Socialism? How and when will this be achieved? Would Tibet be allowed to regain its independence?

[Queercommie Girl]

Putting Cuba and China today into the same category politically is a fundamental mistake.

[TC]

I a havent seen any posts recenlty by Sunfarstar who is in China and he is along term member , have Chinese members been blocked by the CCP ?:confused:
No:

http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=revleft.com

You can get revleft across china. Google, facebook, and twitter are blocked, but yahoo, CNN, BBC, hotmail and bing.com are not blocked.

[DaringMehring]

I remember when at one point China attacked & shut down marxists.org for a while.

[Red Future]

I remember when at one point China attacked & shut down marxists.org for a while.

Odd that

[Proukunin]

Let them shut us down, it just shows how reactionary they really fucking are!

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Cuba has no internet infrastructure. That is their problem. So when people say that Cuba stops people from using the internet, they're lying/naive. People can have teh internet and online shizz in their houses (i've seen it), but mostly the infrastructure is so poor that it doesn't allow for browsing capability, only e-mail.

If Cuba didn't have internet, how would a website like cuba-junky be able to contact all its casa particulare owners?:lol:

China, on the other hand, is just a grotesque nation. Really fucking awful.

[Queercommie Girl]

China, on the other hand, is just a grotesque nation. Really fucking awful.

I assume you mean the current Chinese regime, not the "nation of Chinese people". The Chinese people are some of the most courageous and progressive in the entire world, witness the tens of thousands of mass incidents against police brutality across China every single year.

Also, the CCP during the Maoist period did bring great advances to China. I don't completely agree with Maoism of course, but objectively no-one can deny this fact.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

My understanding is that the PRC had a cyber war going on with the Marxist Internet Archive for the past few years. The Chinese gov't doesn't care about English language online content, its what's in Chinese. The gov't wanted the MIA to restrict their Mandarin language section but the MIA refused.

The gov't is afraid of critiques of the regime, from Mao to today, from a Marxist perspective.

The PRC has recently put up a "Dengist" competitor to the MIA in Mandarin. I don't know how its doing,

It was strange what's blocked and what's not blocked. When I was there I had no problem accessing this forum. I had no problem accessing Counterpunch, the WSW, Znet, Common Dreams, and Democracy Now! I could not get Louis Proyect,and Richard Seymour's blog. Facebook is blocked but it was good to get away from that. No Youtube.There are Chinese versions of Youtube and FB, QQ I believe its called.

There are the famous "three Ts" Tibet Taiwan, and Tainaman which the state forbids any discussion of.

Of course its easy to use a proxy server. I actually didn't know this at the time.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I assume you mean the current Chinese regime, not the "nation of Chinese people". The Chinese people are some of the most courageous and progressive in the entire world, witness the tens of thousands of mass incidents against police brutality across China every single year.

Also, the CCP during the Maoist period did bring great advances to China. I don't completely agree with Maoism of course, but objectively no-one can deny this fact.

No, obviously I meant the CCP in its Dengist and post-Deng state.

I agree with your last paragraph.

[Proukunin]

Are there any big organizations in China that want to bring back Maoism or true socialism? I havent read about anything and im sure it'd be suppressed if there was.

[Gorilla]

Are there any big organizations in China that want to bring back Maoism or true socialism? I havent read about anything and im sure it'd be suppressed if there was.

maoflag.net
wyzxsx.com

They are subject to government censorship and certain topics are off limits but as far as I can follow through Google translate it's still pretty free-wheeling.

[Queercommie Girl]

maoflag.net
wyzxsx.com

They are subject to government censorship and certain topics are off limits but as far as I can follow through Google translate it's still pretty free-wheeling.

WYZXSX is not really "Maoist" as such, but just "broadly leftist". You can find leftists of all stripes there, and there are actually more reformists than revolutionaries on that website.

Of course, there are many Maoists on WYZXSX too.

[Delenda Carthago]

What does everyone think we should do to get China, Cuba etc etc back on track to real Socialism?
Magic.

[Impulse97]

Magic.


Good luck with that one dude. lol. :rolleyes:

[Jazzratt]

What does everyone think we should do to get China, Cuba etc etc back on track to real Socialism? Generally real socialism comes about through class struggle. I don't see anything in the nature of either China or Cuba that precludes that still being the way forward.