Did Fidel order the death of Che?

[Aspiring Humanist]

Now personally I don't believe this at all. I don't see the motive for it. But I've talked to a number of people who honestly believe Fidel Castro put a hit on, or gave the CIA/Bolivian army the location of Che so they could assassinate him. Are there any documents or proof that prove/disprove this theory?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

No.

[PhoenixAsh]

No.

Personally I think it is highly likely that these are rumours spread by the anti-communist forces and any "evidence" that might pop-up I think are highly likely to be fabrications

[Gorilla]

Now personally I don't believe this at all. I don't see the motive for it. But I've talked to a number of people who honestly believe Fidel Castro put a hit on, or gave the CIA/Bolivian army the location of Che so they could assassinate him. Are there any documents or proof that prove/disprove this theory?

How the fuck's Fidel supposed to know where Che is in the Bolivian jungle?

He does not have a tracking device implanted in Che's butt.

[Volcanicity]

Now personally I don't believe this at all. I don't see the motive for it. But I've talked to a number of people who honestly believe Fidel Castro put a hit on, or gave the CIA/Bolivian army the location of Che so they could assassinate him. Are there any documents or proof that prove/disprove this theory?
I think the CIA and the US government would have brought it up by now if he had,the files would have been released years ago to tarnish the reputation of Fidel.

They would've at least tried that before attempting to blow him up with exploding cigars.

Some CIA files on Che.
http://www.companeroche.com/index.php?id=102.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Yea, and every Cuban immigrant was a doctor in Cuba.

[Rafiq]

Of course, Stalin was behind 9/11 as well, and Tito killed JFK.

[Nolan]

That is highly unlikely.

[Sir Comradical]

Yes because Fidel holds significant sway with the CIA.

[Ocean Seal]

There is absolutely no evidence. Its effectively saying that Fidel sabotaged a communist revolution for his ego. That's honestly ridiculous. A victory in Bolivia would have meant a lot to Cuba. If Fidel ordered his assassination that would effectively be anti-communist. And if he was an anti-communist then why didn't he dissolve socialism in Cuba? Also there is no evidence that Fidel would have had the exact location of Che. So well no.

[Nolan]

If Che's capture was anyone's fault, it was the Bolivian communist party's.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

I've talked to a number of people who honestly believe Fidel Castro put a hit on, or gave the CIA/Bolivian army the location of Che so they could assassinate him.
Even if Fidel wanted to, it would of been practically impossible, considering Che had lost contact with Cuba the entire time while in Bolivia. He and his very few men eventually left their campsite, so assuming Fidel knew and gave his original location, it wouldn't have mattered.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

In Cuba there is this rumour that Fidel ordered the death of Camilo.

But no, i dont think soo.

[Hiero]

If Che's capture was anyone's fault, it was the Bolivian communist party's.

How?

Because they had more sense not to support Che's adventure in the jungle?

[Sosa]

In Cuba there is this rumour that Fidel ordered the death of Camilo.

But no, i dont think soo.

I've heard that too but never thought it had any credibility.

[Agent Ducky]

The whole claim honestly makes no sense. The people who say stuff like that are either woefully misinformed or misleading for some weird reason..

[Fulanito de Tal]

This is a true story like all my true stories.

Fidel also ordered a number one super size, but got a bag with 3 cheeseburgers and no pickles. So, to take revenge on the drive thru personnel, he ordered the death of the mother of everyone that could be remotely associated with his incorrect order. Seven women were sent to the paredon, even though only 2 people could be associated with his order. Afterwards, the restaurant he ordered at was nationalized for further revenge and the positions were given to his close friends. Since then, the restaurant has been driven to the ground as the worthless people that run the place only care about themselves. Many Cubans reminisce about the days when Batista, also known as the Great Philanthropist, used to allow others to run the place. The orders might have been incorrect from time to time, but the food was exquisite and the management cared about its customers. This was the old Cuba that many people miss. It is for this reason that I pledge my solidarity with the Cuban exiles in Miami. We need to get that restaurant back! iCuba si! iCastro no!

[PhoenixAsh]

THat is such an obvious lie. Cubans do not drive cars. The cars are an elaborate CIA hoax. Everybody knows Cubans rolerskate and rolerskates are not allowed in a drive through.

Also here is a picture of Lego Marx anbd Lego Engels....so your argument is void:

http://knackeredhack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/marx-and-engels.jpg

[Gorilla]

Is this like the Bill Brasky game for Fidel now?

[RED DAVE]

Old joke.

Stalin returns to his apartment in the Kremlin. He realizes he doesn't have his briefcase and calls Beria to investigate.

An hour later, Stalin calls Beria back. Beria says, "Comrade, we have investigated the theft of your briefcase. We arrested seven suspects. Three have confessed; two of them were shot; one was sent to Siberia. Two have committed suicide. Two we are still interrogating.

"Never mind," Stalin says. "I left it in my office."

RED DAVE

[Nolan]

Old joke.

Stalin returns to his apartment in the Kremlin. He realizes he doesn't have his briefcase and calls Beria to investigate.

An hour later, Stalin calls Beria back. Beria says, "Comrade, we have investigated the theft of your briefcase. We arrested seven suspects. Three have confessed; two of them were shot; one was sent to Siberia. Two have committed suicide. Two we are still interrogating.

"Never mind," Stalin says. "I left it in my office."

RED DAVE

By coincidence, I just thought of that 15 minutes ago. :ohmy:

[Gorilla]

By coincidence, I just thought of that 15 minutes ago. :ohmy:

Enver-y and Trotsky-y, working together in perfect haaar-mon-yyyyyy

[Nolan]

Enver-y and Trotsky-y, working together in perfect haaar-mon-yyyyyy

lol

[hardlinecommunist]

No.

Personally I think it is highly likely that these are rumours spread by the anti-communist forces and any "evidence" that might pop-up I think are highly likely to be fabrications i agree

[Fulanito de Tal]

In Cuba there is this rumour that Fidel ordered the death of Camilo.

But no, i dont think soo.

In Cuba, there is a rumor about everything. It's called chisme, and it's a national pass-time.


This guy leads to front against chisme. El bla bla bla, un no se que...

PS_56Y3BnnY

[GallowsBird]

Old joke.

Stalin returns to his apartment in the Kremlin. He realizes he doesn't have his briefcase and calls Beria to investigate.

An hour later, Stalin calls Beria back. Beria says, "Comrade, we have investigated the theft of your briefcase. We arrested seven suspects. Three have confessed; two of them were shot; one was sent to Siberia. Two have committed suicide. Two we are still interrogating.

"Never mind," Stalin says. "I left it in my office."

RED DAVE


I would find this funny but being a Stalinist I have no sense of humour... Unless, of course, Stalin was telling me this joke and then I'd have to laugh! :lol:

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

A rumor persists to this day that Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara and Fidel Castro had some sort of falling out near the end of Che’s life that caused him to leave Cuba and prompted Fidel to withhold support for the guerrilla effort Che lead in Bolivia. But with a little investigation, we find that there is no evidence whatsoever to support this rumor, which, it should be noted, originated with Felix Rodriguez, a wealthy Cuban-born CIA assassin who ordered Che’s murder.

And what is the supposed source of major disagreement between Che and Fidel? Some have suggested that Che was critical of the USSR. A review of Fidel Castro’s speeches in the 1960’s, in which he criticized the USSR several times, easily dispels that myth. Still others have claimed that Che took the side of China while Fidel took the side of the USSR in the Sino-Soviet Split. This too, is easily disproven.
Che wrote that:

“When we analyze the lonely situation of the Vietnamese people, we are overcome by anguish at this illogical moment of humanity.

“U.S. imperialism is guilty of aggression — its crimes are enormous and cover the whole world. We already know all that, gentlemen! But this guilt also applies to those who, when the time came for a definition, hesitated to make Vietnam an inviolable part of the socialist world; running, of course, the risks of a war on a global scale-but also forcing a decision upon imperialism. And the guilt also applies to those who maintain a war of abuse and snares — started quite some time ago by the representatives of the two greatest powers of the socialist camp.”[1]

While, around the same time Fidel wrote in a similar vein that:

“Without a doubt, the South Vietnamese people and the people of North Vietnam are suffering all this and suffering it in their own flesh, because there it is men and women who die, in the south and in the north, victims of the shrapnel and Yankee bombings. They do not have the slightest hesitancy in declaring that they intend to continue to carry all that out because not even the attacks against North Vietnam have resulted in overcoming the divisions in the bosom of the socialist family.

“And who can doubt that this division is encouraging the imperialists? Who can doubt that a united front against the imperialist enemy would have made them hesitate–would have made them think a little more carefully before launching their adventurist attacks and their increasingly more brazen intervention in that part of the world?”[2]

For his part, Rodriguez claimed in his autobiography that upon capture, Che “was bitter over the Cuban dictator’s lack of support for the Bolivian incursion.” But only a fool would believe the words of Che’s enemy and murderer (who, incidentally, wears his watch to this day like a trophy). More reliable sources suggest that Che considered Rodriguez a traitor and refused to speak to him. But that hasn’t stopped the capitalist press from keeping the claim alive.

As Fidel put it in a June 1987 television interview with Italian journalist Gianni Mina:

“What could we have done? Sent a battalion, a company, a regular army? The laws of guerrilla warfare are different; everything depends on what the guerrilla unit itself does.”[3]

Che’s plan to wage guerrilla war in Bolivia to initiate a socialist revolution to overthrow the dictatorship was fully supported by Cuba. Cuba provided training grounds, fighters, weapons, passports and more to the effort.

We need not pretend Che and Fidel agreed on every single question to know that there was no major disagreement that lead to abandonment or a suicidal departure.
According to the survivors of the guerrilla force he led and the pages of his personal diary, which has since been published, Che never once suggested that he felt betrayed or abandoned by Cuba or Fidel. In his farewell letter Che wrote to Fidel, “I am also proud of having followed you without hesitation, of having identified with your way of thinking and of seeing and appraising dangers and principles.”


1. Guevara, Ernesto, Che. “Message to the Tricontinental.”
2. Castro, Fidel. “Live speech from the steps of Havana University on the occasion of the anniversary of the attack on the Presidential Palace (13 March 1965).”
3. Mini, Gianni. “An Encounter With Fidel.”