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Princess Luna
29th March 2011, 05:48
The Hungarian far right looks set to roll out a campaign of Roma intimidation after meeting little resistance to its vigilante "law and order" mission in Gyongyospata, a Hungarian village of 2,800 people 80km north-east of Budapest.

For A Better Future, a paramilitary organisation deriving its name from a Nazi youth movement slogan, entered the village at the start of the month. It conducted foot and car patrols, followed Roma around and stopped them from entering shops.

On March 10, the intimidation reached its peak when 1,000 black-uniformed neo-Nazis marched through the village, some reportedly armed with dogs, whips and chains.

Many Roma were afraid to leave their homes or take their children to school. The local mayor, Laszlo Tabi, who is not officially allied to a political party, allegedly offered his seal of approval, while the police sat on their hands.

"I cried when I saw them marching," says Janos Farkas, the spokesman for the village's 450-strong Roma community which centres around a dirt road in a shallow valley at the edge of the village. Many of the dilapidated homes do not have mains water and few of their occupants jobs.

"I can't see how this could happen in a democratic country? The police are now present, but why did they let it go on for three weeks?" asks Farkas.

Nothing has been done to stop the vigilantes from restarting their activities here or to prevent them springing up elsewhere.

A national 'example'

"This looks like a local conflict, but it is a national one," says Kristof Szombati of Politics Can Be Different, a liberal green party. On this, if nothing else, the far right agrees with him.

Gyongyospata provides an "example for future situations" says Gabor Vona, the leader of the extreme-right Jobbik party, which is behind the uniformed intervention, at a press conference in the village council chamber. His party hopes to use the vigilante campaign to mark the first anniversary of its entry into parliament, with 17 per cent of the vote, next month.

Among those areas targeted for vigilante takeover is Hajduhadhaz, a town of 13,000 in the east.

"The police do not have enough power to handle the situation," says Gabor Kovacs, a Gyongyospata-born vigilante volunteer in full black uniform, fumbling with his black baseball cap.

"The Roma have stolen vegetables and grapevines," he says, although he explains that the identity of culprits is rarely known because thefts often happen at night when victims are asleep.

"We have a good working relationship with the police. I also have criticisms, but I do not want to talk about them publicly," says Vona. The county police are reported to be aware of the formation of a permanent local branch of the vigilante movement.

"I feel better with For A Better Future patrolling here than with the police," says a non-Roma villager, unwilling to give her name, for fear that her Roma neighbours will find out. She says Roma have scaled her fence and stolen two hens, one this year, one last.

"I can't let my hands rest in my lap for a second while Roma might come along and burn my house down." The best solution, she says, would be to "take them away".

Her middle-aged neighbour, Sandor Torok, prefers far less drastic action. He had a chainsaw stolen from his yard in late January but got it back after three hours after offering a Roma boy a 5,000 forint ($26) reward for its return.

Allegations of more serious Roma-misdeeds are doing the rounds among non-Roma villagers too, none of which can be confirmed. One elderly non-Roma man is even said to have killed himself because he thought Roma neighbours might move in. According to a clerk in the council offices, some Roma beat a young female school teacher, although a fellow teacher said she had not heard of the incident.

"Roma have lived here for 500 years and have always stuck to the law. Only one or two youngsters have done anything wrong," says Farkas.

There is no evidence that even petty crime has risen in Gyongyospata, but the financial crisis has driven up the significance of people's everyday possessions and the far right is only too happy for the chance to profit from the heightened sensitivity.
Source (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/03/2011328102243552176.html)

Nolan
29th March 2011, 05:55
It's quite possible we may see a fascist Hungary in the future.

Red Commissar
29th March 2011, 06:55
Jobbik has had an interesting effect on things there. Even though they are smaller than the much larger "centre-right" Fidesz, Fidesz mostly seems to be following them around in their rampant nationalism and hate-fueled social policies. There's the usual arguments- Hungary is under social stress, the
"middle-class" families are under attack from all ends, our pride is in danger- toss this in with some religious-themed things and you got the general gist of their arguments.

Besides the scapegoating of Romani (which Hungary isn't alone in anyways... France did a notable one a few months back and most European states are eying similar legislation), they've also begun to hit at various public services and stripping them. They've been scouring academic fields (Universities and what not) to purge them of certain academics and replace them with more pro-government figures. I know that Nazi hooligans have been busy vandalizing and messing up stuff from the previous regime, going so far back in 2007 as to dig up and desecrate the grave of János Kádár (leader of the ruling party in the Hungarian socialist state during much of its existence)- taking his skull from the grave, as well the ashes of his wife buried next to him. That's just the tip of the ice berg- it's quite shit in Hungary and the left seems to be in disarray.

Hell Jobbik can be seen as a descendant of the Arrow Cross party.

Jose Gracchus
29th March 2011, 07:13
:mad: Jesus I knew Hungary was spiraling a putrid right-wing drain, but I had no idea it had gotten this bad.

redSHARP
1st April 2011, 05:41
For a while, Germany and many ex-fascist states, denied that the Sinti and Roma were even part of the holocaust. Germany after the war even kept the leading "Roma scientists" (aka murders) in its post war government and academia.

These actions in Hungary only help reinforce roma stereotypes, and is very depressing knowning that many people in Europe still use the Roma as scapegoats.

also, is it Roma or Romani? what is the correct term to use, because i sure as fuck know its not gypsy.

Red Commissar
1st April 2011, 15:39
For a while, Germany and many ex-fascist states, denied that the Sinti and Roma were even part of the holocaust. Germany after the war even kept the leading "Roma scientists" (aka murders) in its post war government and academia.

These actions in Hungary only help reinforce roma stereotypes, and is very depressing knowning that many people in Europe still use the Roma as scapegoats.

also, is it Roma or Romani? what is the correct term to use, because i sure as fuck know its not gypsy.

Roma refers to specific group of Romani that are common in Eastern Europe. Due to their prevalence sometimes "Roma" is equated with the group as a whole.

Tim Finnegan
3rd April 2011, 04:48
It's quite possible we may see a fascist Hungary in the future.
Certainly, if there's to be a revival of hard-right authoritarianism in Europe, Hungary looks to be at the tip of the lance. Something that left needs to key a firm eye on.


Hell Jobbik can be seen as a descendant of the Arrow Cross party.
Jobbik certainly likes to indulge in that not-so-private fantasy:

http://m1.ikiwq.com/img/xl/14BmqpvrFDgGxHlwLIGRKc.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nLeeOMxKwx0/S95ygWSId7I/AAAAAAAAAt0/Wk0e3C57wC8/s1600/ArrowCross2.jpg

El Chuncho
3rd April 2011, 11:11
For a while, Germany and many ex-fascist states, denied that the Sinti and Roma were even part of the holocaust. Germany after the war even kept the leading "Roma scientists" (aka murders) in its post war government and academia.

It is almost denied in the UK. You see countless history books, TV programs, articles etc. about the Holocaust with out a single mention of Romani or Sinti. You rarely see mentions of Communists, Anarchists, homosexuals etc.


In the UK the lords and papers pretty much tell us that ''Gypsies'' are the enemy, and they often mix them with other ''enemies'' with no evidence, so we have Eastern European/Slavic Gypsies, Moroccan Gypsies who steal children from Spain, etc.

brigadista
3rd April 2011, 14:07
2 Roma organisations with information...

http://www.errc.org/

http://www.romarights.net/v2/

the last donut of the night
3rd April 2011, 18:27
really worried about eastern europe

Tavarisch_Mike
5th April 2011, 07:32
This just improves my impression on how the situation in Hungary is ecalating. I was in Budapest, two years ago and Jobbik had a hughe protest then. Marching in theire uniforms and all. And many people looked to like them and was cheering. Since then repports like this seems to be increasing and the fascists gain more votes in evry election.

Dire Helix
5th April 2011, 14:51
really worried about eastern europe

I personally stopped worrying a long time ago. Let them have a second round of fascism if they so desire. They should see for themselves where it`ll get them. I feel really sorry for the Roma though. Must be really awful living in a country with so many racists. And it doesn`t help that the left is pretty much non-existent in Hungary.

Also, from what I know Jobbik has many veterans of 1956 among its members. Yet, looking through some "leftist" scribbles on the internet, one would think that the events in 1956 were practically a socialist revolution.

Thirsty Crow
5th April 2011, 15:25
The naive liberals who sincerely believe that the fall of "existing socialism" made democracy and progress possible should be presented with an analysis of this situation.
Here you go - economic crises, exploitation and social unrest, chanelled into chauvinist social policies and outright neo-fascism on the ground. Progress, definitely.

It really seems that even the Hungarian bourgeois left suffers from severe organizational disorders (especially when we consider the poll in which some 70% respondents claimed they think things were better during...socialism; I can't find the source right now, but I think I saw a thread on it a few days ago).

RedStarOverChina
5th April 2011, 16:29
One elderly non-Roma man is even said to have killed himself because he thought Roma neighbours might move in.
:glare:
Why can't other Nazis follow this man's good example?

Nolan
5th April 2011, 18:22
I personally stopped worrying a long time ago. Let them have a second round of fascism if they so desire. They should see for themselves where it`ll get them. I feel really sorry for the Roma though. Must be really awful living in a country with so many racists. And it doesn`t help that the left is pretty much non-existent in Hungary.

Also, from what I know Jobbik has many veterans of 1956 among its members. Yet, looking through some "leftist" scribbles on the internet, one would think that the events in 1956 were practically a socialist revolution.

If they have a second round of fascism, we will see ethnic cleansing and genocide.

And yes, their neo-fascist grandpa's made tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews flee the country, so they want to outdo them. It's no surprise jobbik jacks off about 1956, since that's where their roots are.

agnixie
5th April 2011, 23:28
If they have a second round of fascism, we will see ethnic cleansing and genocide.

And yes, their neo-fascist grandpa's made tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews flee the country, so they want to outdo them. It's no surprise jobbik jacks off about 1956, since that's where their roots are.

I remember a friend telling me her father somehow thinks Hungary is still a multicultural jewish haven in Europe (they came from there)... It sort of broke my heart to tell her that there were not only just 12,000 jews left in the country, that Hungary has been essentially a mononational state since 1919 and that the nazis basically started out their first election in 60 years with 8 times more votes than Hitler's own party did in the 20s :(