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Le Socialiste
23rd March 2011, 23:37
I'm rather new to the situation in India. The main thing I always hear about this often pertains to the Naxalite struggle and the "Red Belt", however I've noticed that there has been an increasingly defiant and militant attitude rising up amongst the workers - especially in the manufacturing sectors. Again, I was previously unaware of the mood amongst many Indian workers, so hearing about the growing level of strikes ("legal" or not), militancy, and suspicion of the official trade union federation (which only seeks to stifle any potentially destabilizing dissent while posing as a defender of the workers' interests) has been of great interest to me.

Given all this, what can we expect in the years to come? The Naxalites are engaged in armed conflict with the Indian state, rural areas/districts appear to be increasingly sympathetic and supportive of the movement, and workers in the industrial/manufacturing sectors are growing in their militancy and understanding of class struggle. Is there the potential for a serious overthrow of the current government?

"GM India workers launch wildcat strike in Gujarat"
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/mar2011/gmin-m23.shtml



Over the last several years India has experienced explosive workers struggles as more and more transnational corporations set up production units to exploit India’s cheap labor rates. Indian auto workers are typically paid about a tenth of their counterparts in the US. Strikes against these transnational corporations are widespread.
According to the Indian Labor Bureau, over five million working days were lost in 2010 as a result of strikes and lockouts in the country. The most intense strikes occurred in the south-eastern state of Andhra Pradesh; in the eastern state of West Bengal; Himachal Pradesh and Rajasthan located in the north; and in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in the south.
Particularly noteworthy is the amount of strike activity in West Bengal, which is ruled by the Stalinist Communist Party of India (Marxist), CPM-led “Left-front” alliance. There were over a million man-days of production lost due to strikes last year. This was second only to Andhra Pradesh where 2.2 million man-days were lost.
Strikes in India are watched with particular trepidation by the business media, including the Wall Street Journal, since India has become an important source for auto parts for many US auto companies. A militant month-long strike by 2000 workers at Rico Auto Parts plant near New Delhi in late 2009 forced the closure of Oakville Assembly Plant in Ontario, Canada and the GM Lansing Township Plant in Michigan for a week.
Just as their western counterparts, the various Indian trade union federations such as the Stalinist Center for Indian Trade Unions (CITU), which has a particularly large presence in manufacturing industries, have repeatedly betrayed strikes by dissipating determined struggles and accepting management-dictated compromises.
Nevertheless, several of the most militant strikes over the last several years, just like the current one, have occurred as a result of the independent and spontaneous actions of the workers themselves. It can be expected that such actions will only increase in the coming years given the brutal exploitation of the Indian workers by Chinese, US, Japanese and South Korean conglomerates that have now set up numerous manufacturing plants in India.

pranabjyoti
24th March 2011, 02:00
This article is comparatively good, but one point just pinched me. The author mentioned CITU as a "Stalinist" trade union group. I just want to know by which standard CITU has anything to do with Stalinism i.e. Marxism-Leninism. It's parental party CPI(Marxist) is now a part of parliamentary politics for a long time and supporter of Operation Green Hunt. Only a gobbet can call this party "Stalinist" or something remotely related to "Stalinism".

Savage
24th March 2011, 03:52
It's parental party CPI(Marxist) is now a part of parliamentary politics for a long time
What? Refraining from bourgeois politics isn't what you guys believe in, it's what you denounce us for...

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch07.htm

pranabjyoti
24th March 2011, 05:43
What? Refraining from bourgeois politics isn't what you guys believe in, it's what you denounce us for...

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch07.htm
What do you want to mean? Kindly make it clear.
Have you noted that I have also mentioned that they are now strong supporter of "operation Green Hunt"? By parliamentary politics, I want to mean being a part of the whole state system. You can not judge the revolutionary mode of a party by whether it's participating in parliamentary politics or not. But, their regular activity and mentality towards the state and state oppression is indication enough about their character.

Savage
24th March 2011, 05:56
What do you want to mean? Kindly make it clear.
Refraining from electoralism, parliamentarianism etc is a left communist (and obviously anarchist) position, not a Leninist one (excluding the third period).


Have you noted that I have also mentioned that they are now strong supporter of "operation Green Hunt"?Yes I did, but the structure of your sentence separated that from the party's electoral participation.


By parliamentary politics, I want to mean being a part of the whole state system.You mean you disapprove of their reactionary politics because they are a part of the 'whole state system'? Because they obviously aren't, as they are not the ruling regime of India.


You can not judge the revolutionary mode of a party by whether it's participating in parliamentary politics or not. But, their regular activity and mentality towards the state and state oppression is indication enough about their character.Now that's Leninism :)

Le Socialiste
24th March 2011, 07:32
Sorry guys, can we remain on the topic (workers' struggles in India)? We could debate the principles and theories of either side for hours (given history, one could argue decades :rolleyes:).

Thanks!

pranabjyoti
24th March 2011, 09:25
You mean you disapprove of their reactionary politics because they are a part of the 'whole state system'? Because they obviously aren't, as they are not the ruling regime of India.
FYI, they have ruled the state of West Bengal from 1977 onwards and was regular alternate rulers of the state of Kerala and they are also ruling the state of Tripura. Therefore, you just can't say that they aren't part of the ruling regime. IMO, being part of the ruling regime means you are the ruler.

Savage
24th March 2011, 10:16
FYI, they have ruled the state of West Bengal from 1977 onwards and was regular alternate rulers of the state of Kerala and they are also ruling the state of Tripura. Therefore, you just can't say that they aren't part of the ruling regime. IMO, being part of the ruling regime means you are the ruler.
This isn't how bourgeois politics work (and you've gone back to your ultra-leftism :rolleyes:) , but this is getting tedious, fuck it.

FSL
24th March 2011, 11:10
CITU recently joined the World Federation of Trade Unions, which is made up by all the unions in which communists have a leading role or better all the unions that are following a "red" instead of a "yellow" line. Leninists therefore do now recognize it as one of their own and are in fact quite satisfied it joined them.

I also think that people in India are adopting a more militant attitude. The growing number of strikes and even the -still rather shy- left turn of CPI M point to that direction. One can only hope this continues.

mosfeld
24th March 2011, 11:24
CITU recently joined the World Federation of Trade Unions, which is made up by all the unions in which communists have a leading role or better all the unions that are following a "red" instead of a "yellow" line. Leninists therefore do recognize now it as one of their own and are in fact quite satisfied it joined them.

I don't know what bullshit brand of Leninism you're talking about, but if this "Leninism" has sunk to the level of supporting revisionist ruling-clique parasites who are committed to a genocide against the people, then I'd happily like to withdraw all of my sympathies towards this particular brand of "Leninism". But then again, all this does is reinforces the correctness of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, which is committed to the revolutionary overthrow of the Indian expansionist regime and all of it's lackeys in South Asia -- not kissing ruling-clique ass.

FSL
24th March 2011, 11:52
I don't know what bullshit brand of Leninism you're talking about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Trade_Unions

http://www.wftucentral.org/?language=en

http://www.solidnet.org/

The official statement on CITU joining the WFTU here: http://www.wftucentral.org/wp-content/statement_wftu_citu_12032011_s.jpg


Maybe maoism is just angry?

pranabjyoti
24th March 2011, 12:02
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Trade_Unions

http://www.wftucentral.org/?language=en

http://www.solidnet.org/

The official statement on CITU joining the WFTU here: http://www.wftucentral.org/wp-content/statement_wftu_citu_12032011_s.jpg


Maybe maoism is just angry?
At present Maoists are banned in India and therefore it isn't possible for them to make any trade union under their own banner. Moreover, one of the main reasons of so-called influence of CITU is political help from their parental party CPI(M). But, in reality, most militant workers hate this organization. They have a long history of betraying workers.

Devrim
24th March 2011, 12:10
Just to get back on topic, we have run a few articles on this in English over the past year or so:
http://en.internationalism.org/icconline/2010/08/struggles-air-india-workers
http://en.internationalism.org/ci/2010/kashmir-struggle
http://en.internationalism.org/wr/335/kolkatta
http://en.internationalism.org/node/3686

Devrim

mosfeld
24th March 2011, 12:44
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Trade_Unions

http://www.wftucentral.org/?language=en

http://www.solidnet.org/

The official statement on CITU joining the WFTU here: http://www.wftucentral.org/wp-content/statement_wftu_citu_12032011_s.jpg


Maybe maoism is just angry?

Are you bragging over these (http://www.solidnet.org/index.php/12-international-meeting/1104-12-imcwp-list-of-participants) clowns? I'd like to reinstate that if this is what you consider Leninism then I am anything but a Leninist. A few examples of "Leninist" parties from that list:

Communist Party of China
Hi-jacked by revisionists in a coup in 1976 -- actively opposes all ongoing PPWs and deems the CPI(Maoist) as terrorists.

Communist Party of Cuba
Historically a Khrushchevite Party, currently calls on Colombian revolutionaries to disarm, supports the genocide against the Tamils and is a part of the reformist ALBA-clique.

Communist Party of India (Marxist)
Actively takes part in the genocidal war against the people in India.

Communist Party of Nepal (United Marxist-Leninist)
Opposed the PPW in Nepal and has continuously joined reactionaries in blocking any form of progress in Nepal.

Peruvian Communist Party (Unidad)
Joined the state in opposing the PPW in Peru.

Communist Party, USA
Supports imperialism and Obama.

...is this really what you call Leninism?

FSL
24th March 2011, 13:01
I'd like to reinstate that if this is what you consider Leninism then I am anything but a Leninist.
With you on that one.


This isn't necessarily what I consider Leninism. It's what I consider leninist parties. Many of them are wrong on a number of a subjects. That means my job is to criticize them and hopefully help them in correcting these mistakes.
CITU joining the World Federation and thus adopting a much clearer stance on class struggle is an example of one such success and, with hard work, more will come.
Much to your dismay might I add.