[breaking] bomb attack on jeruzalem bus

[Sasha]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/ap-witnesses-say-bus-exploded-in-jerusalem-rocking-the-city/1

if this is an bad one the Palestinian citizens better brace themselves for the retaliation attacks

[Dimmu]

This is why there will never be a peace in the ME...

Instead of targeting military capabilities, each sides focus on the civilians and infrastructure.

[9]

man, I just saw this on haaretz.. things have been escalating recently and Livni was posturing about 'another cast lead' but I was sort of thinking it was maybe just hot air. but now with this... idk, I really hope that I'm wrong, but it seems like shit is seriously gonna hit the fan.

[PhoenixAsh]

Yeah....I really think the Palestinians are goign to have to brace themselves (yet again)

Though personally I do not see any difference between this and the Israeli recent attack which killed several children.

[Dimmu]

Yeah....I really think the Palestinians are goign to have to brace themselves (yet again)

Though personally I do not see any difference between this and the Israeli recent attack which killed several children.


The difference is of course that Israelis can claim that they tried to target militants, but hit children in mistake etc...

Palestinians will have a hard time explaining this one.

[PhoenixAsh]

no fatalities reported yet


though some poeple in Israel are now claiming another invasion of gaza is needed.

[Dimmu]

no fatalities reported yet


though some poeple in Israel are now claiming another invasion of gaza is needed.

Yeah.. Right wingers always jump the the chance when it comes to waging war.. And Palestinians give them the reason to do that.

The sad thing is that people who were wounded were all probably regular workers, while people who make money of war and misery are drooling at the opportunity.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Shite tactics from whoever launched these rocket attacks, and probably Palestinian lives will be lost with the usual over the top Israeli retaliation, let's just hope it's not as bad as Cast Lead.

I do have a hard time trying to explain, let alone defend, the Palestinian attacks on civilian areas. Then again, I guess they don't have particularly advanced technology and can't accurately target military installations, and even if they did, what's the point, the IDF would burn them anyway.

Meh, fucked up shit. Fucking imperialists.

[empiredestoryer]

great news

[Dimmu]

great news


So its ok to kill regular workers according to you?

[freepalestine]

our thoughts for the victims.
the issues of zionist occupation of al quds seem to get forgotten though.

[Dimmu]

our thoughts for the victims.
the issues of zionist occupation of al quds seem to get forgotten though.


You dont fight occupation by attacking civilian targets.. It just does not work. Look at VietCong, Hezbollah or Afghan fighters. They all fought occupying powers by attacking its military.. Attacking civilians is not the answer.

[empiredestoryer]

all israelis are justified targets they were invaders all native peoples should do what hamas do

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

all israelis are justified targets they were invaders all native peoples should do what hamas do

What about people who have never supported imperialism before? Children and babies?

What you just said was racist. It's like saying all people from the US and NATO nations are targets because of various invasions, occupations and bombing campaigns.

Your sort of racism has no place in left-wing politics.

[Triple A]

I guess a war would make Israel buy a lot of guns and therefore helping the weastern economies.

[Palestine]

These bombings are crazy and makes no point what so ever. But so far no faction adopted the operation, and no suspects are there so I don't think we should blame anyone for it yet. Just to mention I was 200 meters away from where this happened.

[psgchisolm]

all israelis are justified targets they were invaders all native peoples should do what hamas doLikeee the Native Americans? Assuming that you live in the US. You better gtfo before they kill you and your kids you damn invader.;)

[eric922]

great news Good news? Terroism and the murder of innocents is never good news. Such actions have no place in a leftist movement. I do not support Israel's actions, but the people targeted here did not create those actions. Palestine should focus its efforts on the Israeli army, not innocent people!

[Triple A]

all israelis are justified targets they were invaders all native peoples should do what hamas do


Either a troll or a dumbass.

Note that some israelis were born there and that others support palestinian cause and even the ones who dont do not decerve to be bombed to death.

[PhoenixAsh]

Problem is all Israeli's serve in the military and are counted as active reserves for the military including women.

[Sasha]

And some refuse service and besides there re such things as arab Israelis and Palestines take the bus too.

[Ocean Seal]

Obviously this attack is not protected, but it is likely that it will be blown up and the crimes of Israel forgotten. This will give Israel the "all Arabs are violent and we the chosen people have to live with them" bullshit racist excuse. I don't understand why the militants don't stick to military targets, infrastructure, and illegal settlement targets.

[freepalestine]

it's ironic that the story of a bus bomb made western news ,yet the bombings by f-16s,tanks etc in gaza the days previous didn't...

[PhoenixAsh]

And some refuse service and besides there re such things as arab Israelis and Palestines take the bus too.

Indeed...most go to jail. Its a UN and AI recognized structural Humand Rights violation and violation of international law in Israel. The chance of meeting a conscientous objector in Israel is relatively small. There are perhaps 100-200 a year.

[Robocommie]

Obviously this attack is not protected, but it is likely that it will be blown up and the crimes of Israel forgotten. This will give Israel the "all Arabs are violent and we the chosen people have to live with them" bullshit racist excuse. I don't understand why the militants don't stick to military targets, infrastructure, and illegal settlement targets.

It's an ugly incident, but these kinds of soft targets are usually chosen because the Palestinian resistance doesn't have the means available to attack military targets. The illegal settlements tend to be fortresses, with walls, armed militias, and IDF garrisons.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

all israelis are justified targets they were invaders all native peoples should do what hamas do

Just like Native Americans have a right to run around murdering white, asian and black Americans amirite? Do Tibetans have a right to lynch Han Chinese? Can Estonians lynch Russians?

Your views are actually striking in their similarity to the most extreme forms of religious zionism, which believes Jewish law protects the right of Jews to kill any gentile civilian which poses a threat.

civvies are never an OK target. this was true when the allies attacked Japan and Germany, it's true today when Israel and the Palestinians blow the crap out of each other's citizens.


The real worry is what is about to follow. Basically, if rightwing Israelis had their way, Netenyahu is going to behave to the Palestinians in a way strikingly similar to how Gaddafi has been treating citizens who rebelled against his rule. And NATO and the Arab states will at worst "condemn" Israel while the Palestinians suffer.

[Invader Zim]

all israelis are justified targets they were invaders all native peoples should do what hamas do

What about those Israeli's whose families have always lived in the region? You do realise that not all Israeli's are migrants, right?

[PhoenixAsh]

What about those Israeli's whose families have always lived in the region? You do realise that not all Israeli's are migrants, right?


About 7-9% of the population.

[Quetzal]

I don't say this often, but this looks like standard CIA / Mossad work...
Abandoned briefcase, civilians,...
Might work to bomb the shit out of the palestinians and counter the new comming uprising (intifada)?

[Quetzal]

Israeli troops have now invaded northern Gaza, and are currently going from house to house. The sky is buzzing with armed Drones who have been in the air for hours, accompanied by Apache helicopters. The situation in Gaza is very tense, and the people are fearing the worst tonight.

[PhoenixAsh]

Yeah...I think this is an inside job to escalate. The Israeli's are going to use the trouble in Japan, Libya and the rest of the ME to settle some scores.

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Israeli troops have now invaded northern Gaza, and are currently going from house to house.Um... do you have some sort of a source to back this up...?

[PhoenixAsh]

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=213538

Interesting that the mortar attack which hit several civilians on tuesday was not reported in the press either.


On Wednesday, the IDF’s Gaza Coordination and Liaison Administration coordinated the transfer of an 8-year-old Palestinian boy from the Gaza Strip to Kaplan Hospital in Rehovot after he was injured in an Israeli mortar attack on Tuesday.

The boy was injured after IDF troops fired mortar shells into an open field in northern Gaza and accidentally hit a number of civilians nearby, killing four members of a family and wounding several others, including the boy, who was transferred Wednesday to Israel for medical treatment.


But hey....a bus with one dead and several injured is TOTALLY more serious than this...

[Quetzal]

Um... do you have some sort of a source to back this up...?

Inge Neefs; Belgium to Gaza Flotilla Activist inside Gaza.

[PhoenixAsh]

....

Is it wise to post names?

Or am I to paranoid????

[Quetzal]

Is it wise to post names?

Or am I to paranoid????

Maybe a little, she's quite known in Belgium. Also interviewed and broadcasted by national television...

http://ingeinhetbeloofdeland.wordpress.com/

[Quetzal]

Maybe a little, she's quite known in Belgium. Also interviewed and broadcasted by national television...

But i do recognize its usual NOT wise to post names...

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Paola Dyboski; British peace activist inside Gaza.
Inge Neefs; Belgium to Gaza Flotilla Activist inside Gaza.

Er.. I meant more along the lines of, you know, some sort of links to where this was being reported, rather than just some random names....

[Quetzal]

Er.. I meant more along the lines of, you know, some sort of links to where this was being reported, rather than just some random names....

Its hard to link you to a telephone conversation with her that passed on the belgian radio news... Mha, you read it tomorow in the newspapers.

[freepalestine]

breaking news on maannews.net(etc)
gaza all power off -it is being bombed a third night/day.
see this thread:http://www.revleft.com/vb/iof-bomb-gaza-t151775/index.html
no doubt ,will be updated


also the recent attacks on gaza have started in response to fateh /hamas reconciliation talks overthe past week since the march15 protests..



Netanyahu: “P.A. Must Choose Between Peace And Hamas”

Wednesday March 23, 2011 07:52 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies

Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, stated that the Palestinian Authority of Mahmoud Abbas must choose between peace with Israel and peace with the rival Hamas movement, the Israeli Radio and Israel’s daily, Haaretz, reported.
The Israeli Prime Minister, also claimed that the Palestinians are not willing or interested in reaching a comprehensive peace agreement with Tel Aviv.

His statements were made while referring to a planned visit by President Mahmoud Abbas to the Gaza Strip to hold talks with the Hamas leadership.

This would be the first visit of Abbas to Gaza since bloody clashes between his forces and Hamas’ security forces and gunmen in 2007 and 2008.

He said that Palestinian leaders talk about peace during talks with foreign officials or while on diplomatic tours, “while at the same time, they incite against Israel when they return to the territories”.

During a Knesset session on Tuesday, Netanyahu had a heated argument with opposition leader, Tzipi Livni, when she said that, when in power, her Kadima Party was so close to signing a peace agreement with the Palestinians.

Netanyahu responded by saying that this peace she is talking about was based on dismantling and evacuating Har Homa settlement “Jabal Abu Ghneim Mountain”, and the settlement blocs of Ariel and Maaleh Adumim.

Netanyahu further stated that instead of evacuating and dismantling settlements, Israel should offer a land swap.

Netanyahu and his coalition partners, mainly the fundamentalist partners of the Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel Our Home) party, and other fundamentalist coalition partners, have policies that heavily support settlement construction and expansion.

They also refuse to hold talks on the future of occupied East Jerusalem, as they maintain that Jerusalem will always be the united capital of Israel.

Consecutive Israeli governments refuse to hold talks on Jerusalem, the internationally-guaranteed right of return of the Palestinian refugees, borders and national resources.

Israel never recognized any UN and General Assembly resolutions calling for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and the Right of Return of the refugees. http://imemc.org/article/60920




Before Flying To Moscow, Netanyahu Approves Further Strikes In Gaza

Wednesday March 23, 2011 23:05 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies

Israeli sources reported Wednesday that Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, approved a series of strikes in the Gaza Strip before he headed to Russia.
The decision came during a meeting he held at the Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, with Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, Deputy Defense Minister, Matan Vilnai, Army Chief of Staff, Benny Gantz, and Shin Bet chief Yuval Diskin.

The meeting focused on evaluating the current situation following the recent escalation in the Gaza Strip and the Wednesday bombing in Jerusalem.

Meanwhile, Egypt issued a statement warning Israel not to rush into a military offensives targeting the Gaza Strip.

Official spokesperson of the Egyptian Foreign Ministry, Minha Bakhoum, stated that Foreign Minister, Nabil Al Arabi, demanded Israel to show self-restraint and to refrain from rushing into a military offensive against the Gaza Strip.

Al Arabi stated that such an offensive will only lead to further tension and escalation.

He added that escalation will not serve the interests of the Palestinians and the Israelis, and will not help the efforts to achieve peace and stability.

He concluded by stating that nobody should give Israel the chance to practice violence, and that Egypt’s steady policy is rejecting and denouncing any attacks against civilians. http://imemc.org/article/60926

[Palestine]

But hey....a bus with one dead and several injured is TOTALLY more serious than this...
If there is one thing I really hate, it's comparing. People are people doesn't matter who, why, and where.
I am sure just like those kids were dear to someone in Gaza, the woman that died was dear to someone in Israel, she's someones mom, she's someones wife or maybe someones grandmothers. Attacking civilians is wrong, and shouldn't be justified.
But this rages the Israeli right, and everyone suddenly agrees that Kahane was right. and the fascist slogans have started to appear on the surface.
So let's wait and see what's gonna happen, because I have a bad feeling about this one.

[mosfeld]

Consider this tragic and sympathize with the "victim" Israelis all you want, but this is a perfectly understandable reaction to systematic genocide, dehumanization and ethnic cleansing committed against the Palestinians by the colonial Zionist regime. I for one am not going to shed any tears for dead settlers in Jerusalem.

[PhoenixAsh]

If there is one thing I really hate, it's comparing. People are people doesn't matter who, why, and where.
I am sure just like those kids were dear to someone in Gaza, the woman that died was dear to someone in Israel, she's someones mom, she's someones wife or maybe someones grandmothers. Attacking civilians is wrong, and shouldn't be justified.
But this rages the Israeli right, and everyone suddenly agrees that Kahane was right. and the fascist slogans have started to appear on the surface.
So let's wait and see what's gonna happen, because I have a bad feeling about this one.


You don't understand. I am absolutely not comparing tragedies on the merrit which one is worse and which one isn't...nor am I justifying attacks on civilians .

I am however pointing out the obvious and constant bias in the media and the fact that it is using a distorted sense of morality and ethics by selectively reporting news in the Israeli/Palestine conflict....which in fact creates the impression and plays into the sentiment that the life of one Israeli citizen is infinitly more important than the live of several Palestinians. And constantly enforces that bias. In effect this behaviour is endemic.

Nobody here in Holland, except for a handful of people who are branded as anti-semites, know anything about the constant interventions of Israel into Palestine territory or the fact that on tuesday Israel killed 4 people in a mortar attack amongst which 2 children.

Most however know the Palestinian people have bombed a bus....full of innocent peaceful civilians.

The simple fact that every little incident committed against Israel is given massive media attention in itself is evidence that the incidents are already measured in which one is "important" and which one is not.

[Palestine]

You don't understand. I am absolutely not comparing tragedies on the merrit which one is worse and which one isn't...nor am I justifying attacks on civilians .

I am however pointing out the obvious and constant bias in the media and the fact that it is using a distorted sense of morality and ethics by selectively reporting news in the Israeli/Palestine conflict....which in fact creates the impression and plays into the sentiment that the life of one Israeli citizen is infinitly more important than the live of several Palestinians. And constantly enforces that bias. In effect this behaviour is endemic.

Nobody here in Holland, except for a handful of people who are branded as anti-semites, know anything about the constant interventions of Israel into Palestine territory or the fact that on tuesday Israel killed 4 people in a mortar attack amongst which 2 children.

Most however know the Palestinian people have bombed a bus....full of innocent peaceful civilians.

The simple fact that every little incident committed against Israel is given massive media attention in itself is evidence that the incidents are already measured in which one is "important" and which one is not.

Makes more sense, Israeli media, and officials try to use the best of these incidents. Like the settlers incident which has no suspects so far, the Israeli officials tried to use that against the Palestinians. It's the politicians that makes use of innocents misfortunes.

[psgchisolm]

Consider this tragic and sympathize with the "victim" Israelis all you want, but this is a perfectly understandable reaction to systematic genocide, dehumanization and ethnic cleansing committed against the Palestinians by the colonial Zionist regime. I for one am not going to shed any tears for dead settlers in Jerusalem.
Yes because killing civilians is perfectly understandable. Why not just change your tendency to Stalinist already? I'm sure he'd be proud there are people who still support the killing of innocent civilians.

An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

[PhoenixAsh]

understandable is not the same as justified.

[mosfeld]

Yes because killing civilians is perfectly understandable.

I don't fully agree with him, but Sartre's remarks on the Black September come to mind: "terrorism is a terrible weapon but the oppressed poor have no other." Then again, settlers actively participate in the colonial ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They are a fair target. If civilians die in the process, that's a tragedy, but it's a direct result of an inhumane occupation.


Why not just change your tendency to Stalinist already?

http://www.ayushveda.com/womens-magazine/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/claimcryingbaby.jpg

[psgchisolm]

understandable is not the same as justified.I stand by my point. Killing civilians on a bus does fuck all except provoke the Israeli's to send more troops into Gaza. I don't understand the logic behind this. In the end NO ONE wins.

Israeli's settle on Palestinian land
Someone bombs bus full of Israeli's
Israel sends more troops in.
Repeat.

[psgchisolm]

I don't fully agree with him, but Sartre's remarks on the Black September come to mind: "terrorism is a terrible weapon but the oppressed poor have no other." Then again, settlers actively participate in the colonial ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They are a fair target. If civilians die in the process, that's a tragedy, but it's a direct result of an inhumane occupation.

Yes because they all pick up Tar's and M16s and line Palestinians on a wall and shoot them. Terrorism serves no purpose except to give the other side more rights to oppress. It obviously doesn't work so why keep doing it?

[PhoenixAsh]

Well...that is exactly my point. They keep doing it because they have little other option. Terrorism is the last refuge of the hopeless.

They can't create a standing army. They can't buy sophisticated weaponry. And not fighting back will not solve the problem and the repression continues as always.

Thats when people get desperate and decide to vote for parties and groups like Hamas, Fatah and Jihad.

[mosfeld]

Yes because they all pick up Tar's and M16s and line Palestinians on a wall and shoot them.

The Zionist regime uses its settlers to force Palestinians off their land, forcing them into extremely concentrated urban areas and then they bomb them. So yes, actually, your metaphor works pretty well -- except on a much larger scale. Do I have to point out the obvious genocide against the Palestinian people?


Terrorism serves no purpose except to give the other side more rights to oppress. It obviously doesn't work so why keep doing it?

Terrorism emerges out of oppression, not the opposite. Terrorism doesn't work, sure, but once again, what else can they do? I'd like to reinstate that this is a perfectly understandable reaction to genocide. Do you think that the Palestinians should do absolutely nothing while they're being massacred? Are you against the resistance?

[psgchisolm]

The Zionist regime uses its settlers to force Palestinians off their land, forcing them into extremely concentrated urban areas and then they bomb them. So yes, actually, your metaphor works pretty well -- except on a much larger scale. Do I have to point out the obvious genocide against the Palestinian people?No it doesn't work well at all so stop with the bs.


Terrorism emerges out of oppression, not the opposite. Terrorism doesn't work, sure, but once again, what else can they do? I'd like to reinstate that this is a perfectly understandable reaction to genocide. Do you think that the Palestinians should do absolutely nothing while they're being massacred? Are you against the resistance? So you support terrorism because nothing else works? Now I'm beginning to think you're just a dumbass. It's funny how the dutch/chinese/french/whoever else didn't resort to terrorism in WW2. The same with how many other types of people in occupied territory. I am against terrorism and the innocent killing of people. If that means that i'm against the resistance then so be it. I support a armed resistance against the government. Not a armed bomb against a populace.