Dennis Kucinicy says that the war against Libya is unconstitutional

[MarxistMan]

Hello all, Dennis Kucinich says that the war against Libya is unconstitutional in this video, and in the second video i posted he talks about workers rights, and the wars in Afghanistan and Irak:



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[wunderbar]

And the White House will continue to not care. I really wish Kucinich would just leave the Democrats already and either become an independent or join the Greens and affirm himself to be the social democrat he is. At this point, the Dems only seem to tolerate him because he keeps progressives/social democrats in the Democratic Party because Kucinich makes them feel like they have a voice in the party.

[Die Rote Fahne]

The US constitution is irrelevant imo. The war is wrong on a basic moral level.

[Ocean Seal]

The US constitution is irrelevant imo. The war is wrong on a basic moral level.
I also agree with this. Its has historically been used to justify a series of things which are very wrong. But in any case, if it can be used as a tool to stop US imperialism at least this one time, then so be it. I truly hope that the War Powers Act will prevent a full scale invasion of Libya, but the Presidents have shown not to care about the constitution for anything other than as a piece of ethos that they show to the people or that they defend whenever something really unpopular is about to happen.
Stop the WAR. We need to get some class action up in here to stop this thing. Every revolution in the Middle East, every success of anti-imperialists here and far will be erased as soon as the United States turns Libya into a puppet democracy.

[Hexen]

The US constitution is irrelevant imo. The war is wrong on a basic moral level.

I think Kucinich forgets the fact that the constitution was actually written for the capitalists/bourgeoisie (the ones who currently control the means of production) not everyone else. Apparently many USians didn't read the contract's small print on the corner (The greatest trick the US ever pulled was to convince people that they live in a democracy and this is how the bourgeoisie ultimately keeps people under control)....

[Os Cangaceiros]

OK, number 1: the war technically doesn't need to be declared, because it's in the service of a UN mandate that the United States is directing and assisting. And number 2: a lot of what the United States government does is "unconstitutional", including probably a lot of what ol' Dennis wants to enact. Nothing here of use for leftists opposed to this intervention.

[eric922]

I wish the politicians would actually start following the Constitution for once instead of just talking about it. Until the start following it is nothing but a piece of paper.

[Terminator X]

I'm fairly certain Kucinich is only invoking the "unconstitutional" line because back in 2007, Candidate-Obama accused Dubya of "unconstitutional" activities in Iraq when he is now doing nearly the same thing in Libya.

His rant about impeaching Obama for the attack carries a lot more weight, IMO. Considering the love affair that most Democrats have with BO, it is a fairly stunning statement.

I met Kucinich (just milling amongst the crowd with no entourage at all) at one of the recent workers' rallies here in Ohio and he is more in tune with the struggle of the working class than about 99.9% of Washington.

[manic expression]

Wonderful, let the cracks in the Democratic Party begin in earnest. Political instability in the bourgeois camp is always welcome, and Obama's little adventure into Libya should provide some more of it.

By the way, no one's given a flying f*ck about the constitutional process for declaring war since the Korean War at least. The War Powers Act is the most pertinent measure IIRC, and that gives the executive 90 days to wage war without sending so much as a box of tissues to congress. Even going back in history, "constitutionality" has only mattered when it's convenient for the bourgeois faction that holds sway. Just ask the Cherokee how much the Supreme Court decision helped them with the genocidal Trail of Tears.

[MarxistMan]

Hail: You are right, in this world nothing is God-ordained. What i mean is that even all law codes are written by men. And the US founding fathers have a dark side. There is a book called "American Holocaust" that says that the US Founders mass murdered american native indians.

In this site http://www.brianwillson.com I learned about how nazis and fascists US Founders were. And Michael Parenti also says that the US founders were oligarchic imperialists just like Bush, and Obama.

I used to be jeffersonian, but after I learned the dark side of Jefferson and the founding fathers i am anti-US founding fathers

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I think Kucinich forgets the fact that the constitution was actually written for the capitalists/bourgeoisie (the ones who currently control the means of production) not everyone else. Apparently many USians didn't read the contract's small print on the corner (The greatest trick the US ever pulled was to convince people that they live in a democracy and this is how the bourgeoisie ultimately keeps people under control)....

[eric922]

Honestly I'm conflicted on my view of the Founders. Some of the things they said I really agree with and I still sometimes wonder if Thomas Paine had been lived in Russia during the days of the Revolution if he wouldn't fought alongside Lenin and Trotsky. From what I've read at least, Paine wasn't like the rest of the Founders he wanted a much more equitable society and was eventually ostracize for it by the others

[gorillafuck]

The constitution is basically something used to advance political agendas. The leftists I know who use the constitution as an argument against war also support things that are unconstitutional. Right wingers I know do the same thing, they use the constitution as backup for what they say but also support things that are unconstitutional.

[Hexen]

The constitution is basically something used to advance political agendas. The leftists I know who use the constitution as an argument against war also support things that are unconstitutional. Right wingers I know do the same thing, they use the constitution as backup for what they say but also support things that are unconstitutional.

The fact remains that the constitution was (and still is) originally written for the bourgeoisie which is how the system works according to political science. Everything else is just political posturing.

[Rafiq]

Yeah, to be honest, I couldn't give ten shits about what the constitution sais.