Left and Right-wing football teams?

[pastradamus]

Just trying to compile a list of the left-wing and right-wing Football ultra fan groups. To start with I have:


LEFT-Wing:
Boca Junior (ARG)
Wacker Innsbruck (AUT)
Sturm Graz (AUT)
Cercel Brugge (BEL)
Genk (BEL)
Standard Liege (BEL)
S.C.Internacional (BRA)
Ferroviario AC (BRA)
SC Corinthians (BRA)
Flamengo (BRA)
Universidad de Chile (CHL)
Bohemian Prague (CZE)
OMONOIA Nicosia (CYP)
FC United of Manchester (ENG)
Olympic Marseille (FRA)
Girondins de Bordeaux (FRA)
Montpellier (FRA)
FC Metz (FRA)
Stade Rennais (FRA)
AEK Athens (GRE)
Atromitos (GRE)
PAS Giannia (GRE)
Levadiakos (GRE)
Iraklis (GRE)
Panseraikos (GRE)
Panachaiki GE (GRE)
Sankt Pauli (GER)
Eintracht Frankfurt (GER)
Werder Bremen (GER)
Fc Lokomotive Leipzig (GER)
Bayern Munich (GER)
Sv Badelsberg 03 (GER)
Fortuna Dussledorf (GER)
Derry City (IRL)
Ancona (ITA)
Atalanta (ITA)
Bari (ITA)
Empoli (ITA)
Livorno (ITA)
Perugia (ITA)
Cosenza (ITA)
Stella Rossa Duemilasei A.S.D (ITA)
Taranto (ITA)
Ternana (ITA)
Pisa (ITA)
Modena (ITA)
Virtus Verona (ITA)
Hapoel Tel-Aviv (ISR)
Jaguares Chiapas (MEX)
Indios de Ciudad Juárez (MEX)
Cliftonville (NIR)
Spartak Nalchik (RUS)
Osasuna (SPA)
Burgos (SPA)
Almeria (SPA)
Celta Vigo (SPA)
Gimnastica (SPA)
FC Cadiz (SPA)
Deportivo La Coruna (SPA)
Rayo Vallecano (SPA)
Tenerife (SPA)
Sevilla (SPA)
Real Valladolid (SPA)
Celtic (SCO)
Adana Demirspor (TUR)
Besiktas J.K (TUR)
Arsenal Kiev (UKR)
Cardiff City (WAL)

Right-Wing:

Levski Sofia (BUL)
Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)
AGF Århus (DEN)
1860 Munich (GER)
FC Hansa (GER)
Hamburg SV (GER)
Dynamo Dresden (GER)
Maccabi Tel Aviv (ISR)
Lazio (ITA)
Juventus (ITA)
Roma (ITA)
Hellas Verona (ITA)
Inter Milan (ITA)
FK Zeta (MON)
Linfield (NIR)
Crusaders (NIR)
Sporting Lisbon (POR)
SL Benfica (POR)
Porto (POR)
Lech Poznan (POL)
Legia Warsaw (POL)
LKS Lodz (POL)
Odora Opole (POL)
Widzew Lodz (POL)
Wisla Krakov (POL)
Polonia Warsaw (POL)
Lokomotiv Moscow (RUS)
Spartak Moscow (RUS)
Zenith St.Petersburg (RUS)
Partizan Belgrade (SER)
Red Star Belgrade (SER)
Real Madrid (SPA)
Malaga (SPA)
Levante UD (SPA)
Real Betis (SPA)
Sporting Gijon (SPA)
Valencia (SPA)
Espanyol (SPA)
Atletico Madrid (SPA)
Rangers (SCO)
Helsingborgs IF (SWE)
Kapaty Lviv (UKR)




I know this has been done in the past but things have changed, for example Roma becoming a fascist club.

Feel free to suggest teams so that I may update this.

[Sasha]

I wouldn't call ajax left wing, I would say the majority of the ultras are right-wing. It's just compared to some other firms an pretty multicultural group so they are not racist (at least not against surinam, antilian or Indonesians, marocans and Turks are probably not so lucky) so they fight nazis if they find them. But leftwing? No, not by a longshot.

[pastradamus]

I wouldn't call ajax left wing, I would say the majority of the ultras are right-wing. It's just compared to some other firms an pretty multicultural group so they are not racist (at least not against surinam, antilian or Indonesians, marocans and Turks are probably not so lucky) so they fight nazis if they find them. But leftwing? No, not by a longshot.

Fair enough, I shall remove them.

[Goatpie]

Whats a leftist football club? are these players actually leftists or what?

[Sir Comradical]

Olympiakos (Greece)
Red Star Belgrade (Serbia)
FK Partisan (Serbia)
Boca Juniors (Argentina)

[pastradamus]

Whats a leftist football club? are these players actually leftists or what?

No. What we mean is the political nature of its ultras fan group.

[Sir Comradical]

Whats a leftist football club? are these players actually leftists or what?

Yes, all the players in these teams are card-holding party members.

[Tim Finnegan]

No. What we mean is the political nature of its ultras fan group.
For example, this is the Green Brigade, a Celtic ultras group:

http://www.ultras-celtic.com/gallery/d/3026-7/2.jpg

While these are some Rangers fans.

http://www.thejunglebhoys.net/jb/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rangers_nazi_salute_israel_2.jpg

[Sir Comradical]

For example, this is the Green Brigade, a Celtic ultras group:

http://www.ultras-celtic.com/gallery/d/3026-7/2.jpg

Is that an ulster flag in the background?

[pastradamus]

Is that an ulster flag in the background?

Yes it is. The Ulster flag is apolitical, its simply a provincial flag. Its the Northern Ireland flag that appears in Rangers games that is associated with loyalism.

[pastradamus]

Olympiakos (Greece)
Red Star Belgrade (Serbia)
FK Partisan (Serbia)
Boca Juniors (Argentina)

Red star are, rather surprisingly fascist. But I will add the other 3.

[Comrade J]

This lovely gentleman is also a Celtic fan, mocking a black player.

http://www.scotzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/racistcelticfan.jpg

[Tim Finnegan]

Is he a member of an ultras group? Because that's what the thread is about.

[pastradamus]

This lovely gentleman is also a Celtic fan, mocking a black player.

http://www.scotzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/racistcelticfan.jpg

Well, out of 61,000 fans you've managed to find a dickhead Congrats..

[Omsk]

The Red Star fans or 'Delije' are also known as 'cetnici sever'.
Now,as some of you may know,the cetniks were:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks
A nationalist and collaborationist movement,that opposed the workers and partisans,(the Yugoslav communists) and tried to re-institute the king and monarchy.
Here are a couple of pictures to prove it,just in case.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50495_165481130129604_4135697_n.jpg
This a shirt symbol commonly worn by the supporters of the 'Red star'
Its name,has got nothing to do with the partisan movement nor socialist.

[Comrade J]

Well, out of 61,000 fans you've managed to find a dickhead Congrats..

Not difficult in a crowd of football fans.

[Delenda Carthago]

Olympiakos is probably the only team in Greece right now where fascists are able to make moves.Τhats only because they are hiding behind the "no politica" bullshit.

PAO,who used to be the "rightist" team-AEK-PAOK-ARIS(the teams that mostly go on Europe) have not any nationalist elements on their fans.At least organised.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_I2Q8EtIp3Bg/S9hGMMFUeVI/AAAAAAAAAkA/jFg3JY8i-58/s1600/paok-ergo.jpg
PAOK- The state is the only terrorist(the frist half of a famous anarchist slogan about urban guerillas)

http://www.sportnooz.gr/getimages/view/624/351/false/true/files/Pao-Exedra-Grigoropoulos.jpg
PAO- Alexis Grigoropoulos was a Panathinaikos fan.


But the most impresive shit i ve seen from football fans comes from Cyprus.

http://www.oleole.com/media/main/images/member_photos/group2/subgrp294/gate9antifa_412727.jpg

[Sir Comradical]

Yes it is. The Ulster flag is apolitical, its simply a provincial flag. Its the Northern Ireland flag that appears in Rangers games that is associated with loyalism.

Let me get this straight.

http://www.oneredhand.com/images/yellow_ulster_redhand_zel5.gif

^^ Apolitical.

http://quis.qub.ac.uk/ulster/uploaded_images/Ulster-Flag-788066.GIF

^^ Loyalist scum.

[Sir Comradical]

The Red Star fans or 'Delije' are also known as 'cetnici sever'.
Now,as some of you may know,the cetniks were:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks
A nationalist and collaborationist movement,that opposed the workers and partisans,(the Yugoslav communists) and tried to re-institute the king and monarchy.
Here are a couple of pictures to prove it,just in case.

This a shirt symbol commonly worn by the supporters of the 'Red star'
Its name,has got nothing to do with the partisan movement nor socialist.

So they're chetniks hiding under socialist symbology. Fascists!

What about FK Partisan? What's their fanbase like?

Which team do you support in the former SFRY?

[pastradamus]

Let me get this straight.

http://www.oneredhand.com/images/yellow_ulster_redhand_zel5.gif

^^ Apolitical.

http://quis.qub.ac.uk/ulster/uploaded_images/Ulster-Flag-788066.GIF

^^ Loyalist scum.

Yes sir.

[Omsk]

What about FK Partisan? What's their fanbase like?
Well,their leading top is from the socialist party,and they have a strong anti-fascist heritage + they don't support any kind of chetnikism or monarchism.They can be considered to be on the left,they are basically the complete opposite of the 'Red Star'

Which team do you support in the former SFRY?
Partisan,as it is in my families tradition (:)) My grandfather was an colonel in the army of Yugoslavia (ww2 and after that,some years before the colapse) and he watched almost every game in that time,so i naturally got my love for Partisan from him.
Sure,there might be some nationalist's in Partisan,but most of the fans are anti-fascist and anti-cappie.
While in the Red Star,the situation is different from the roots,not only do they fantasize about the Chetniks,they also support the war-criminals of former Yugoslavia,some of them,who are currently in prison,for the deeds they comited.
There is no real alternative,considering one of the clubs is extreme right-wing and the other slightly on the left.
The horrible thing is that trough football,nationalist's gain new 'pray' - young kids without a perspective - easy pray for the consuming nationalist propaganda and agendas.
Just another issue we,leftist must combat.

And more leftist football fan bases:
AS Livorno Calcio
*Eintracht Frankfurt (Germany)
*St Pauli (Germany)

[Sir Comradical]

Olympiakos is probably the only team in Greece right now where fascists are able to make moves.Τhats only because they are hiding behind the "no politica" bullshit.

PAO,who used to be the "rightist" team-AEK-PAOK-ARIS(the teams that mostly go on Europe) have not any nationalist elements on their fans.At least organised.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_I2Q8EtIp3Bg/S9hGMMFUeVI/AAAAAAAAAkA/jFg3JY8i-58/s1600/paok-ergo.jpg
PAOK- The state is the only terrorist(the frist half of a famous anarchist slogan about urban guerillas)

http://www.sportnooz.gr/getimages/view/624/351/false/true/files/Pao-Exedra-Grigoropoulos.jpg
PAO- Alexis Grigoropoulos was a Panathinaikos fan.

I was told by a friend here in Australia that Olympiakos had a working-class, broad-left fanbase.

So I take it you support PAOK?

[An archist]

For Belgium, that I know of:

leftwing

Standard Liege (ultras inferno)
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/brakke123/AntifaUnited.jpg

Racing Genk (drughi)
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Cercle Brugge (ultras bryggja) aren't especially left wing, but certainly antifascist.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/811/10008278nu4.jpg


EDIT: Lierse fans always have flemish lion flags on their stands (well-known right-wing symbol)
Kinda funny, since their team was saved from being bankrupt by Samy Maged, an Egyptian

[praxis1966]

So they're chetniks hiding under socialist symbology. Fascists!

What about FK Partisan? What's their fanbase like?

Which team do you support in the former SFRY?

I know a couple of others have more or less answered this already, but I think a couple of details are worth mentioning. First off, FK Partizan were originally formed (and hence named) by the veterans of the Yugoslav Partisan forces who fought the Nazis in WWII, if that tells you anything. Also, from what I understand, Milosevic's shock troops (the ones who carried out the Bosnian genocide) were organized out of Red Star's ultras...

[DDR]

From Spain:

Left:

Rayo Vallekano
Athletic Club de Bilbao
Gimnastica Segoviana
Cadiz FC
Sevilla FC
Celta de Vigo
Jerez
Almeria
Burgos
Osasuna
Real Sociedad

Right Wing:

Malaga
Real Madrid
Barça
Espanyol
Betis
Gijon
Atletico de Madrid
Valencia
(and pretty much everyone else)

[pastradamus]

From Spain:

Left:

Rayo Vallekano
Athletic Club de Bilbao
Gimnastica Segoviana
Cadiz FC
Sevilla FC
Celta de Vigo
Jerez
Almeria
Burgos
Osasuna
Real Sociedad

Right Wing:

Malaga
Real Madrid
Barça
Betis
Gijon
Atletico de Madrid
Valencia
(and pretty much everyone else)

Its a pretty good list. But I thought that Barca were on the left?

[DDR]

No, the Boixos Nois are catalonian-nazi-separatist.

[Metacomet]

How is Barca on the right?

[F9]

Red star are, rather surprisingly fascist. But I will add the other 3.

i am pretty sure he added those to be teams of the right wing.beside boca juniors that i heard some "rumors" that are left wing(havent got them confirmed) other 3 are far from leftists, especially the serbians ones i think bandito can take it from here and explain the shitty situation in both of them.
As for olympiacos, his team did come from the poor places, the ports, the home of the "reds" and leftists, but indeed nowadays if someone is rulling in gate7 its fascists definitely not leftists.

now on your list you forgot ternana(italy), and as for barca and boixos nois afaik arent they "expelled" from camp nou to a corner or something with no banners and they only show them on away matches?I think the critical question here is not which club has right wing groups(most of the big teams do) but what is the leading stance of the stand, what is the leading groups ideology.

CU84, are pretty much apolitical but with leftist tendancies, see che's coreo etc.
Bayern also has a group in Alerta!
Metz ultras also are leftists

[DDR]

How is Barca on the right?


Because as I already said, their supporters, Boixos Nois, are catalonian-nazi-separatis.

[Metacomet]

Because as I already said, their supporters, Boixos Nois, are catalonian-nazi-separatis.

What about all the years before Boixos was even founded? Aren't they from the 70s-80s? Wasn't most the of the support left wing?

[Blackscare]

I had no idea sports were so political in Europe :confused:

[Delenda Carthago]

I was told by a friend here in Australia that Olympiakos had a working-class, broad-left fanbase.

So I take it you support PAOK?
Well, I was PAOK even before I was a revolutionary so...:)

[Delenda Carthago]

I had no idea sports were so political in Europe :confused:
Sports culture its nothing like the States.You dont have the hooligan culture over there.People living and dying(literally) for their teams.Spending 6 days in shit just to get to see their club play in Sunday.So its only logic they gon bring their believes into the stadium.

[Delenda Carthago]

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[Delenda Carthago]

I know I m busting ballz right now with my constant posting, but check this out.

This is from the spot Grigoropoulos died.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/eKhuov2mm5A/0.jpg

Panathinaikos
Panseraikos(Che Guevara Club)
Atromitos(Fentagin club)
Pas Giannena
AEK
Asteras Exarheion(...)

[F9]

Sports culture its nothing like the States.You dont have the hooligan culture over there.People living and dying(literally) for their teams.Spending 6 days in shit just to get to see their club play in Sunday.So its only logic they gon bring their believes into the stadium.

most of the prenamed groups dont have the hooligan culture either. ultras =/= hooligan. its a totally different way of life of fans.they do share similarities but ultras focus on supporting team inside and outside stadium 24/7 while hooligans main priority is to kick ass of the opposite group.

Even though States dont have it, Latin America has gone it to a whole new (sad) level.We have killings(a few days ago death of a fan), people use guns and shit like that, the "mafia" controls the groups etc etc.There is a line, in most of things, pass it and you can turn something good to terrible.

[pastradamus]

I know I m busting ballz right now with my constant posting, but check this out.

This is from the spot Grigoropoulos died.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/eKhuov2mm5A/0.jpg

Panathinaikos
Panseraikos(Che Guevara Club)
Atromitos(Fentagin club)
Pas Giannena
AEK
Asteras Exarheion(...)

Panseraikos are left-wing?

[F9]

Ohh yeah Pastra, how could i forget, add panachaiki and navajo(the ultras group) to leftists!

[Delenda Carthago]

Panseraikos are left-wing?
Panseraikos is the team of Serres, a town in mid Greece. And as you can see the name tells the story... And they support it outside of the stadium too...

[F9]

Panseraikos are left-wing?

yep, we had one of them in our last game against the unnamed coming all the way down here for the game:thumbup1:

[pastradamus]

most of the prenamed groups dont have the hooligan culture either. ultras =/= hooligan. its a totally different way of life of fans.they do share similarities but ultras focus on supporting team inside and outside stadium 24/7 while hooligans main priority is to kick ass of the opposite group.

Even though States dont have it, Latin America has gone it to a whole new (sad) level.We have killings(a few days ago death of a fan), people use guns and shit like that, the "mafia" controls the groups etc etc.There is a line, in most of things, pass it and you can turn something good to terrible.

Thats an excellent point. I often participate in my hometown ultras group but I never get in actual fights. We are ultras and not hooligans.

That said, from an Irish point of view, most of clubs over here would be at least left-leaning with Shamrock Rovers and Cork City both being fan-owned.

*LIST UPDATED*

[Delenda Carthago]

Ohh yeah Pastra, how could i forget, add panachaiki and navajo(the ultras group) to leftists!
Of course!

Panahaiki matter of fact was created by anarcho syndicalists refugees in 1981 and its the oldest club in Greece!

http://media.mats.gr/files/user_uploaded/Image/protoselido/2010_2011/Panaxa_Football/navajo_mix.jpg

The weird thing is that right now Panahaiki is being owned by the lawyer of the murderer of Grigoropoulos who was a scumbag enough to be equally hated by everyone during those days!!!

[pastradamus]

Im plesantly surprised by how many leftist teams we have in Greece.:cool:

[Delenda Carthago]

Im plesantly surprised by how many leftist teams we have in Greece.:cool:
Well, you could say that besides Olympiakos, right now, there is no big club that is not at least antifa. But unfortunatly, Olympiakos is by far the biggest football club in Greece(considering they just won this championship 3 games before the end of the season, they have 39 championships while everybody else has 37 together).Still, you cant say they are a fascist club, but you might see greek flags or a celtic cross from time to time.

[pastradamus]

Well, you could say that besides Olympiakos, right now, there is no big club that is not at least antifa. But unfortunatly, Olympiakos is by far the biggest football club in Greece(considering they just won this championship 3 games before the end of the season, they have 39 championships while everybody else has 37 together).Still, you cant say they are a fascist club, but you might see greek flags or a celtic cross from time to time.

Thats another thing I cant stand. The use of the celtic cross as a fascist symbol is something as a Irish person I can neither understand or accept.

[Delenda Carthago]

Thats another thing I cant stand. The use of the celtic cross as a fascist symbol is something as a Irish person I can neither understand or accept.
you could say that the two things that have influenced the western civilization in the 20th century that came out of Ireland is the celtic cross and House Of Pain!:p

[Tim Finnegan]

Thats another thing I cant stand. The use of the celtic cross as a fascist symbol is something as a Irish person I can neither understand or accept.
Oh, Jesus, I hear that one. :(

[Wanted Man]

So they're chetniks hiding under socialist symbology. Fascists!

Umm, no? It's just a club name.

[Metacomet]

I think some ultras exist in the US and Canada, (Mexico obviously has them) They just are not on the scale of those in europe, and haven't been around for as long. But they are there.

La Barra Brave-D.C United

http://fraternidadcamba.com/gallery/pho_2007.11.03_145611.jpg

[Omsk]

Umm, no? It's just a club name.
Umh yes,the red star symbol was largely popularized in the times of Tito's Yugoslavia,only to be thrown off into the gutter by the ultra-nationalist fans that went on the stage in the 90'.
It is still the club symbol,but it lost its socialist symbolism and the club itself lost its socialist heritage.

- on its communist and partisan heritage:

In February 1945, during World War II, a group of young people, members of the Serbian United Antifascist Youth League, decided to form a Youth Physical Culture Society, that was to become Red Star on March 4.[6] The name Red Star was assigned to the club after a long discussion, and the first vice presidents of the Sport Society, Zoran Žujović and Slobodan Ćosić, were the ones to assign it. On that day Red Star played the first football match against the First Battalion of the Second Brigade of KNOJ and won 3:0 (2:0).

Five days later, a football section was officially formed, led by Kosta Tomašević, and the first manager was Predrag Đajić. The two of them defended the honor of Red Star in the playing field – Tomašević was the first striker and scorer in the history of the club, and Đajić was a midfielder. Red Star was given a stadium of a prewar FC Yugoslavia (that was active during the war under the name of League of Communists of Yugoslavia in 1913, and that was disbanded specifically due to these activities at the time of occupation), at that time known as Avala.

In a post-war 1946 season, Red Star won the Serbian Championship and thus qualified for the Yugoslav Championship. In the first four seasons the club did not succeed in winning any championships, however, in the period of 1948 to 1950 there was a series of hat-trick triumphs in Cups, finals against Partizan, Naša Krila of Zemun and Dinamo.

The first championship was won in a spectacular way. Three rounds before the end Dinamo from Zagreb was five points in the lead in the league and winning a match brought two points. However, the team from Zagreb was defeated by the team from Sarajevo, and Red Star won the rivals’ duel for the championship and entered the last round with a minus of one point. The match between BSK and Dinamo ended 2:2, and the decision was reached a day later, on November 4, in the match with Partizan. The eternal rival had won the derby very convincingly earlier that season (6:1), but Red Star this time scored the necessary 2:0 and thanks to better goal-average (only 0,0018 more) became the national champion for the first time.

Later,all that was thrown away,the club transformed compleatlly from the socialist youth-sports-champion,it became a criminal and hooligan controled ultra-right club.

[Bandito]

So they're chetniks hiding under socialist symbology. Fascists!

What about FK Partisan? What's their fanbase like?

Which team do you support in the former SFRY?

Political affiliations of Serbian teams are described here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1606026&postcount=4) as a part of this thread. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/former-yugoslavian-teans-t123014/index.html?p=1606026#post1606026) Yep, all of them belong on the right-wing list. Even fans of FK Vojvodina stopped fence sitting and joined the rest of the morons. That's the reason why I'm usually at the stand where old folks go now.

[Bandito]

Sure,there might be some nationalist's in Partisan,but most of the fans are anti-fascist and anti-cappie.


:rolleyes:

Ummmm..... No. Check out the thread linked above.

[Omsk]

But the 'Red Star' is generally more right-wing than Partisan or Vojvodina.
Vojvodina kept a nice anti-fascist tradition,but in the recent events some of the fans turned to the far-right,and the common hooligan behavior followed.Like in most of the teams.
You know,these so called 'supporters' are no more than mere hooligans that must be restricted from football matches,in order to prevent more clashes and violence.
It is quite sad actually,not long ago,whole families (with the exeption of the female side of the family,as the girls never liked football :) ) went to matches and cheered for their loved club,now its all just about the violence and agresion.
And most of these fans are border line petty criminals.
A true shame really,and the state is the one to blame.
@Situation in Croatia:The Croatian football scene has much more affiliation with the extreme right-wing,considering that the 'ustase' are still very popular.
For those of you not familiar with the 'ustase' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase
A very bad mixture of fascism,nazism,and Croatian nationalism.
While the 'chetniks' are involved with monarchism,and Serbian nationalism.

[praxis1966]

But the 'Red Star' is generally more left-wing than Partisan or Vojvodina.

Dude, in light of the thread Bandito linked to and indeed what I talked about on page two of this very thread, I don't know how you can continue to claim Red Star are in any way leftist. Their ultras participated in the Bosnian genocide... End of discussion. Never mind that they once broke into their club's training ground and assaulted their team with metal pipes and bats for poor performances.


Thats another thing I cant stand. The use of the celtic cross as a fascist symbol is something as a Irish person I can neither understand or accept.

Yeah, as a member of the Irish diaspora it's something I have a hard time with as well. For instance, in the US, the Celtic cross is often associated with the Christian Identity Movement... The religious basis/affiliate of the Aryan Nations, Knights of the KKK, and various neo-Nazi skinhead groups.

[Omsk]

WOAH!Sorry i made a typo. :(
Its clear from my previous post's that my opinion of the Red Star is highly negative.
Here is a part of my post a page back:

While in the Red Star,the situation is different from the roots,not only do they fantasize about the Chetniks,they also support the war-criminals of former Yugoslavia,some of them,who are currently in prison,for the deeds they comited.

Here is another of my posts: (to prove that was merely a mere typing mistake)


The Red Star fans or 'Delije' are also known as 'cetnici sever'.
Now,as some of you may know,the cetniks were:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks
A nationalist and collaborationist movement,that opposed the workers and partisans,(the Yugoslav communists) and tried to re-institute the king and monarchy.
Here are a couple of pictures to prove it,just in case.
Quote:http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile..._4135697_n.jpg

This a shirt symbol commonly worn by the supporters of the 'Red star'
Its name,has got nothing to do with the partisan movement nor socialist.
~ From the first page of the thread.

[mosfeld]

So do you guys cheer for all of those left-wing teams or something?? :confused:

[Omsk]

Not for all,but i guess we generally support them,we do ,share the similar political beliefs.
More important is - the more leftist fan groups the less right-wing maniacs.Sport is something we leftist's must value highly,as it is important to the development of the socialist youth,and this development wont happen if they stick around with the nazis and fascists.

[RedAnarchist]

I would say that, in England, that Millwall would certainly be considered a right-wing team. Not sure about what team could be considered left-wing, though.

[Catmatic Leftist]

What do you guys mean when you say "ultras"? Sorry, I'm a rather clueless American here.

[Omsk]

ULTRAS - Ultras are a type of sports fans renowned for their fanatical support and elaborate displays.The behavioral tendency of ultras groups includes the use of flares (primarily in tifo choreography), vocal support in large groups and the displaying of banners at football stadiums, all of which are designed to create an atmosphere which encourages their own team and intimidates opposing players and supporters.

The actions of ultras groups can occasionally be overly extreme and are sometimes influenced by political ideologies or racism, in some instances to the point where the central ideology of the ultras phenomenon, passionate and loyal support of your team, becomes a sideshow.

[DDR]

So do you guys cheer for all of those left-wing teams or something?? :confused:

It's also a good way to know wich weekend you have to be more or less careful in the streets.

[pastradamus]

What do you guys mean when you say "ultras"? Sorry, I'm a rather clueless American here.

Well I believe comrade enich's definition is absolutely correct, but to put it in a nutshell, The ultra's are a teams most fanatical support. They are usually characterised by colourful displays, such as flags, flares and loud collective chanting. They can sometimes be involved in violence and often intimidate and abuse the members of the opposing team.

A few pics of the livorno and ternana ultras
http://cultureofsoccer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/livorno_communist_flag.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQljdpTjpw4rqKfqpdiadnoJNj5CZbxV Po2b7TG-Mdgz9P4gnzSyg&t=1
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4gOknXzUf80/0.jpg

[Delenda Carthago]

I would say that, in England, that Millwall would certainly be considered a right-wing team. Not sure about what team could be considered left-wing, though.
Arsenal used to be this team. But I dont think its still. I think all England teams have the "no politica" bullshit.I ve never seen a political banner or a flag or whatever in England.

[praxis1966]

WOAH!Sorry i made a typo. :(
Its clear from my previous post's that my opinion of the Red Star is highly negative.

I don't wanna speak for anybody else, but the fault is partially mine. I was only really skim reading the thread, but that line caught my eye. Sorry about that. No hard feelings, eh? :)


I would say that, in England, that Millwall would certainly be considered a right-wing team. Not sure about what team could be considered left-wing, though.

Maybe I've seen too many movies, but West Ham maybe? You know, given that they're the arch rivals of Millwall and that (though I've made that mistake before, assuming Roma's supporters were leftist given their rivalry with Lazio). Other than that, the only one I can remotely see is maybe Spurs... Trouble with the English topflight is that it's almost entirely apolitical apart from the new infiltration of the EDL into ultras' groups...

Beyond that, the only one I can think of is Cardiff City. Yeah, I know, I know, that's in Whales, but they compete in the Championship and they're the only non-English side ever to have won the FA Cup... Plus, there's an anti-EDL FailBook group I belong to and apparently, when Stoke City (whose ultras are allegedly contain an EDL faction) came to town for their FA Cup match, Cardiff's ultras (who are apparently largely populated by Antifa) gave them a good ass kicking... At least according to someone claiming to belong to both groups (Cardiff's ultras/Antifa).

EDIT: A website (http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15984) some of you might find interesting...

[bricolage]

It's a bit reductionist to just say Millwall is a right wing team, sure there has been lots of racism there in the past but a lot of the continuous writing them off as 'knuckle draggers' and 'mindless racists' stems from their historical association as a working class team (which I don't really think stands anymore, they get a lot of fans from relatively prosperous areas of Kent). Most firms in the 70s/80s interacted with right wing views including that of Millwall but firms don't exist any more and the assumption that all Millwall fans are right wing is partly based on the idea that all working class people (in sociological terms more than anything else) are racist. When I went to the Den I didn't hear any racist chanting or anything but then I can't say what individuals might think and I also can't say how comfortable a black person would feel going to watch a match there, my guess would be not very.

It's pretty rare to hear overt racist comments at football matches in England nowadays, obviously it still happens and I hear Taarabt quite often gets anti-Arab abuse (which I suppose reflects changing prejudices from black people to Muslims and/or Arabs), but not in the mass way it used to.

In terms of ultra groups there aren't really any in the country. Strangely enough smaller groups such as Crystal Palace, Leicester and Accrington Stanley come closest to it. Celtic have the Green Brigade but they are obvously not in England. It's not really a concept that has crossed into this country so it's hard to speak of clubs as 'political' as there don't often exist organised fans groups to be politicised. F.C. United maybe;
http://libcom.org/files/2566447antifa1-manch.jpg?1298216202

There are a few interesting bits about football intersecting with politics in the mid 80s here; (http://libcom.org/library/rebel-violence-v-hierarchical-violence-uk-1985-86)

23/11/85: Northern Counties East League cup-tie played on the ground of Grimethorpe (scene of several mass attacks on the cops during the miners strike) Miners’ Welfare F.C. has to be abandoned at half-time after a crowd riot. The visiting team Blidworth, Notts., were attacked by home fans chanting “Scabs!”, and were then besieged in their dressing room for 50 minutes, until rescued by an 80-strong police squad.
In 1984, 500 hooligans from West Ham’s ‘Inter-City Firm’ went to Paris and completely wrecked the outskirts of the rich St. Denis area. One hooligan declared “We wanted to do over the fascists of the (French) National Front, but your cops didn’t give us the time to do it. So afterwards we had only one aim: to smash everything”. Sadly, the Inter-City Firm can be pretty racist towards Asians.

[bricolage]

Maybe I've seen too many movies, but West Ham maybe?
Ah no not at all, the Millwall-West Ham rivalry/fighting romanticised in film stems from the firms of the 80s. I don't think any of them were remotely 'left wing'.

Other than that, the only one I can remotely see is maybe Spurs...
Out of interest why do you think Spurs?

Trouble with the English topflight is that it's almost entirely apolitical apart from the new infiltration of the EDL into ultras' groups...
I don't think just the top flight.

the Cardiff's ultras (who are apparently largely populated by Antifa) gave them a good ass kicking...
I've never heard about the Antifa bit but it's interesting. Cardiff fans do have a reputation for being tough though. That being said they don't have ultras in the way it is normally used.

[bricolage]

As a note though I think the potentiality for ultra etc groups to play a meaningful role in class struggle and the 'politics' that goes alongside it is pretty minimal. It is interesting and can create powerful communities but beyond that not much.

[praxis1966]

Out of interest why do you think Spurs?

Because of the historic association of them with the London's Yiddish speaking population and the leftist affiliations of that population... Although, I'm willing to admit that it may be an erroneous conflation... I was mainly just guessing when I said that.


I don't think just the top flight.

That's unfortunate, to put it mildly.


I've never heard about the Antifa bit but it's interesting. Cardiff fans do have a reputation for being tough though. That being said they don't have ultras in the way it is normally used.

Check the link I provided in my edit above.:)

[bricolage]

Because of the historic association of them with the London's Yiddish speaking population and the leftist affiliations of that population... Although, I'm willing to admit that it may be an erroneous conflation... I was mainly just guessing when I said that.
Yeah I dunno anything but I'd be very very surprised if there was some kind of organised left or otherwise elements in Tottenham fans.

That's unfortunate, to put it mildly.
I support Crystal Palace which has what could be called one of the few ultra groups in the country (the Holmesdale Fanatics). It definitely changes the atmosphere for the better.


Check the link I provided in my edit above.:)
Ah ok, that's interesting. I can understand why groups would want to challenge far right elements that maybe causing trouble in the stands and outside of them. I've always thought 'anti-fascism' only makes sense as some kind of self-defence of communities (to use a vague term) under threat and not any kind of political principle that inevitably leads to support for other bourgeois entities. If you apply that to football fans it fits but there's not much beyond that.

[praxis1966]

Fair enough. At any rate, I think if there's a lack of "ultras" groups or "firms," which to and outsider seem very similar, it has less to do with English fans in general than it does the events of the 1980s that you referenced... Unless I'm mistaken, it was Heysel and the subsequent crackdown on hooliganism that pretty much put paid to anything that could be remotely called an "ultras" group in England.

[Black_Flag]

http://therebelbull.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/casuals-united-against-fascism/

Found this post from 2009 about the setting up of Aston Villa Anti-fascists.
Thought it was pretty interesting that it mentions Chelsea and Millwall anti-fascist groups due to some of their fans association with the right-wing.

Came across a facebook group for Manchester United anti-fascist group, although i don't how active they are at the minute.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=118684834834848&v=wall

[bricolage]

Fair enough. At any rate, I think if there's a lack of "ultras" groups or "firms," which to and outsider seem very similar, it has less to do with English fans in general than it does the events of the 1980s that you referenced... Unless I'm mistaken, it was Heysel and the subsequent crackdown on hooliganism that pretty much put paid to anything that could be remotely called an "ultras" group in England.
I think there is a difference between the two as firms were almost solely based around fighting with other firms. Ultra groups are more about displays, songs, flares, banners etc and although there is conflict associated with it it's more of a secondary phenomenon.

But I think you are right though, following the various incidents of the 1980s there was a effective crackdown on football fans. Today you can get kicked out of grounds for things like standing up which makes organising any kind of fan groups pretty hard.

[Devrim]

It's a bit reductionist to just say Millwall is a right wing team,

The whole idea of 'left' and 'right' wing teams is more than a bit reductionist in the first place though. The only people I know who go to St Pauli are members of a fascist organisation. Similarly, the club I support is a so-called 'fascist club', but the people I go with all consider themselves to be some sort of socialists.

Football clubs are businesses.

Devrim

[Delenda Carthago]

The whole idea of 'left' and 'right' wing teams is more than a bit reductionist in the first place though. The only people I know who go to St Pauli are members of a fascist organisation. Similarly, the club I support is a so-called 'fascist club', but the people I go with all consider themselves to be some sort of socialists.

Football clubs are businesses.

Devrim
So when Galatasaray plays with Fenerbahce, who you with?:p

[Tifosi]

IRD 93 of Sporting Toulon (French fourth division)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EHwNmccpmpU/TJfectFFq-I/AAAAAAAACK8/sJlNv6rXf70/s1600/P1080521.JPG

MTZ-Ripo from Belerus

http://s005.radikal.ru/i211/1001/0c/c1b58d1787fe.jpg

Adana Demirspor from Turkey

http://www.atilimhaber.org/haberler/2009/09/05/resimler/Livorno-AdanaDemirspor_kardesCHE_20090905_103415.jpg

Arsenal Kiev from Ukraine. These are stolen banners - http://s11.radikal.ru/i183/1001/bc/6de4390169c5.jpg

[Devrim]

So when Galatasaray plays with Fenerbahce, who you with?:p

Neither ı support Ankaragücü.

Devrim

[BostonCharlie]

Ah, I had to read the thread to realize it's about European football. Things are different there. In amerika, football fans range from petit-bourgeois yuppies to fascist yahoos.

[pastradamus]

Maybe I've seen too many movies, but West Ham maybe?


Oh god no. West ham fans were known during the 80's to be extremely racist. Paul Parker,a former Mancherster United footballer, despite being born in West Ham refused to both support and play for West Ham growing up - due to their racism.

This has thankfully changed however, and West Ham are now just another everyday football team.

[astraeus]

@Situation in Croatia:The Croatian football scene has much more affiliation with the extreme right-wing,considering that the 'ustase' are still very popular.
For those of you not familiar with the 'ustase' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase
A very bad mixture of fascism,nazism,and Croatian nationalism.
While the 'chetniks' are involved with monarchism,and Serbian nationalism.

Well, the situation in Croatia is indeed grim for the left-wingers in general, let alone on the stadiums. But there are small fan groups that are apolitical at best, and an only antifascist ultra group (although small one) of which I am a member - NK Zagreb supporters White Angels...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_90qi4pdD0&feature=related

And also a quick review of the Croatian supporters scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp7fP1eeBkg&feature=related

[progressive_lefty]

I hate Old Firm (Rangers vs Celtic). The fans are equally as bad, even though I'd like to believe it's just the Rangers fans that are obsessed with racism.

[Bandito]

But the 'Red Star' is generally more right-wing than Partisan or Vojvodina.


I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but the fact that you support Partizan doesn't make them any less right-wing. I've seen one of their leaders, Kimi, wearing an "Anti-antifa" shirt numerous times. It's fairly obvious to tell you never wore a left-wing shirt or tried to put some leftiist symbology on the stand. I wouldn't advise you to do it either, because it's not going to end up well. If you support a club, it doesn't automatically make you a nationalist, but it also doesn't give you the right to say that fools like these (who, unlike you, can promote their ideas on the stands) are "antifascist" or "anti-cappie"

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3324/19023559.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs331.ash1/28689_125105874169748_100000110076442_312532_16843 74_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs333.snc3/29242_128260390520852_126958693984355_338272_25846 6_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs508.ash1/29992_127114517302106_126958693984355_331671_24385 39_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs594.snc3/31292_130201510326740_126958693984355_349621_84695 6_n.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MW7_7zuB3LY/S8CTUw2uZaI/AAAAAAAABjQ/Z1qRFQbqCws/s1600/24825_391275485880_303575175880_4217270_2006983_n. jpg

[Omsk]

Well,almost all of the Balkan clubs are involved with nationalism,there are idiots everywhere,but you should not forget that there is a large number of real football fans who like to watch games in peace,to cheer not vandalize or fight.:)
The people in the pictures above are a typical kind of ultras over the line.A sad sight indeed.
This degeneration of the sports and football in particular is really sad,especially considering the fact that most of these people probably don't even realise the evils of fascism and nationalism.
And after all the wars,after Hitler,after the Ustase and Cetniks,after the wars in the 90' you'd thought that they would see it,but no,its like nothing happened.

[Tim Finnegan]

I hate Old Firm (Rangers vs Celtic). The fans are equally as bad, even though I'd like to believe it's just the Rangers fans that are obsessed with racism.
While I certainly agree that both sets of fans can pretty bad, and the rivalry itself can be a right pain in the arse, you're forgetting that one fan base is grounded in a traditionally oppressed minority group, and the other is very much not not. Let's not resort to this middle-class English liberal caricature of the Old Firm as just two brawling groups of equally witless Scots, because there's far more to it than that.

[Triple A]

It happens that the team I support is full of fascists

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2954/juventudeleo1143.jpg

And our rivals are the antifas
e2QRUr9NyQc







Maybe I made the wrong choice when I was younger :crying:

[Means to a end]

I am a regular attender of English football games.

My hometown football club and the team I support is Luton Town. The same town which the EDL was formed. You often do see the EDL at games and chanting E E EDL. However we also have many fans who distance themselves from this. (I can not post videos yet, but there is a video of this)

At nearly if not every English football ground you will see national flags and Cross of St Georges. Its deemed the norm, however there is no such dividing line between left and right wing between football clubs in this country. I agree with Millwall, racism is often heard there. West Ham and Chelsea were also very similar in the past but have now toned down due to how football has changed (not all for the better mind) in this country.

Up North teams like Newcastle, Middlesbrough and especially smaller clubs like Hartlepool, Carlisle and Darlington could have a racist element in their clubs.

As I said through, there are no left wing and right wing clubs. All clubs pay into Kick it Out but some clubs have more nationalistic and racist fans than others.

I myself however belive politics at least in England should not interfere in me supporting my football team. The EDL should stay away and not tar my clubs name with their group.

[bricolage]

I agree with Millwall, racism is often heard there.
I think the racism at Millwall is on many occasions over exaggerated by the press and usually done with the ulterior motive of demonising working class 'chavs'.

West Ham and Chelsea were also very similar in the past but have now toned down due to how football has changedThis is right, racism in football grounds today is a shade of what it was 20 years, this is the same for all clubs.

[bricolage]

The whole idea of 'left' and 'right' wing teams is more than a bit reductionist in the first place though.
Talk of left/right (although this usually only boils down to issues around nationalism and/or fascism) teams in terms of organised fan groups such as ultras can be done, but I do agree with what you are saying.

Football clubs are businesses.
This is true also.

[Chairman Wow]

I'm a Northampton Town supporter and for some reason they have a loyalist chant that gets sung now and again, which is quite unfortunate, and also quite baffling as I am pretty certain that nobody singing it actually knows what they're singing about.

I have never seen any sort of leftist display or anything like that from any English football team... But then again, they are just football teams. Mostly apolitical, I would say.

[bricolage]

I'm a Northampton Town supporter and for some reason they have a loyalist chant that gets sung now and again, which is quite unfortunate, and also quite baffling as I am pretty certain that nobody singing it actually knows what they're singing about.
That's really weird, what is the chant?

[Tim Finnegan]

At nearly if not every English football ground you will see national flags and Cross of St Georges.
The symbology of the English flag is kind of complicated. It isn't quite as innocent as the Scottish or Welsh flags, but it doesn't have the same nationalist-imperialist connotations as the Union flag. The widespread usage in recent times, I am lead to understand, was inspired by the rising nationalistic tendencies in Scotland and Wales, but whether it's an innocent way of joining in (which, in itself, is not be problematic) or a concious reaction to that nationalism is something which varies quite a lot, so it's hard to infer any concrete message from it, especially in a traditionally depoliticised context like a football match. http://www.v-strom.co.uk/phpBB3/images/smilies/smiley_shrug.gif


...however there is no such dividing line between left and right wing between football clubs in this country.Yeah, British sports are pretty non-political in general. The only example of politics being a factor is the Old Firm, and that's really because it draws on an external ethnic-political conflict.

[Chairman Wow]

That's really weird, what is the chant?

the 50p flute one

i'm fairly sure most of those singing it have no idea what they're referencing, mind.

[Delenda Carthago]

It happens that the team I support is full of fascists

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2954/juventudeleo1143.jpg

And our rivals are the antifas
e2QRUr9NyQc







Maybe I made the wrong choice when I was younger :crying:
I always had in my mind that Porto was the rightist team, not Sporting.

[praxis1966]

I always had in my mind that Porto was the rightist team, not Sporting.

In all fairness, I think he was confining his analysis to the Lisbon sides, hence the exclusion of Porto.


Yeah, British sports are pretty non-political in general. The only example of politics being a factor is the Old Firm, and that's really because it draws on an external ethnic-political conflict.

Clever boy, using the word British and not UK, lulz...

[pastradamus]

I always had in my mind that Porto was the rightist team, not Sporting.


I think in that post it was Sporting (Fascist) and Benfica (Antifa).

[Tifosi]

I think in that post it was Sporting (Fascist) and Benfica (Antifa).

I don't think Benfica ultras are Antifa, No Name Boys anyway.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2216/tifofoto17ud.jpg

I remember some photos of Benfica fans placing Nazi banners on the stands, but can't find them now. Also they are close friends with Torcida Split, well known fascists.

Porto

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/3912/sd883jo.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9767/142sl4.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5228/15ze7.jpg

[Triple A]

I always had in my mind that Porto was the rightist team, not Sporting.

The 1143 group (Sporting) is the only oppenly nazi group here but Porto had a lot of nazis back in 80's, now they only gather to break stuff their fans are not very political.



I don't think Benfica ultras are Antifa, No Name Boys anyway.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2216/tifofoto17ud.jpg

I remember some photos of Benfica fans placing Nazi banners on the stands, but can't find them now. Also they are close friends with Torcida Split, well known fascists.

Porto

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/3912/sd883jo.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9767/142sl4.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5228/15ze7.jpg


The photo there is Diabos Vermelhos (red devils) not no name boys. The diabos vermelhos still have the confederate flag but apart from that they have many black supporters amongst them, and No Name Boys make some antifa chanting from times to times just to piss off Sporting.
I've been to Sporting games anyway and the majority of supporters were just watching the game, you do not see huge nazi banners in stadiums nowadays.

[Rooster]

While I certainly agree that both sets of fans can pretty bad, and the rivalry itself can be a right pain in the arse, you're forgetting that one fan base is grounded in a traditionally oppressed minority group, and the other is very much not not. Let's not resort to this middle-class English liberal caricature of the Old Firm as just two brawling groups of equally witless Scots, because there's far more to it than that.

What they are tradionally based on isn't that relevant these days, to be honest. And I don't think it is a grossly exagerrated caricature. Most of them are witless about the reasons. Sure, they could run you off some dates and such about battles that mattered centuries ago. But how is any of that relevant to today? Who cares what religion the king or queen are? Who cares if you're of irish descent or scottish (like there's a big difference in the west of scotland)? I don't think there's anything more to it than tribalism.

[The Grey Blur]

well to the northern irish supporters it's obviously a lot more relevant. even the reasons so many northern nationalists support celtic is because the main nationalist club in belfast, belfast celtic, was shut down by a combination of sectarian rioting and discrimination against the club. also anti-catholic discrimination in scotland was still a very real phenomenon until not long ago, the residual after-effects being that catholics are much more likely to come from deprived backgrounds.

i agree with TF it's more nuanced than the typical "they're both as bad as each other/the old firm should be banned/their fans are all sectarian hooligans" rubbish which substitutes analysis on the part of a mainly middle class, liberal, and either english or other 'outsider' commentariat. i definitely don't think celtic fans are as bad as rangers, as difficult as it is to quantify and qualify this; if there is any relevance or benefit to the politicization of the two clubs it's that celtic fans have adopted a general anti-racist and vaguely left-wing (see their anti-poppies, anti-john reid efforts, fan alliance with st pauli etc) identity. whereas you see racist chanting/saluting much more and on a much larger scale from rangers fans, not to mention their rioting in manchester (whereas celtic fans have won awards from UEFA for their friendly behaviour in europe.)

football generally has been removed from the working-class in britain, i think the reason the old firm generates so much outrage from liberal commentators is because it remains firmly working-class and politicised to a degree. i'm not saying that's necessarily a good or bad thing (there's also the argument about "90 minute bigots" and that the old firm keeps sectarianism in the stadium rather than on the streets) but to simply dismiss it is similar to the political reasoning of liberal idealists who refuse to analyse the rise of say the BNP or EDL in terms of class deprivation. the hypocrisy then is that these racist and sectarian tensions and divisions are a product of those political-economic crusades which they champion; neo-liberalism in the form of thatcher and blair.

i think sectarianism is still a very real problem, and the old firm complicates that even further. i think it's a tragedy that it generates so much violence (300 arrests after the last game at celtic park)...but it's obviously something than requires a bit of analysis and a bit of nuance rather than a knee-jerk reaction nor liberal hand-wringing (which took the form of the cops and the state having a nice little sit-down recently). i think the de-politicisation of the old firm is impossible within a the current political and social framework, since sectarianism is a product of both underlying sociological and political factors. the old firm is a sporting and cultural representation of those divisions, and while it obviously a self-reflexive phenomenon, i'd say it's more a symptom than a cause.

btw i'm a celtic fan. mon the hoops.

edit: on a wider basis i think when you talk about 'left' or 'right' clubs we should emphasise we're generalising about the fan base rather than attributing some ideological worth to a sporting institution...the portuguese guy posting earlier expressed pretty well how it feels when you're attached to a club (like for example the worse sectarian aspects of following celtic) by dint of up-bringing and surrounding culture and the politics frankly comes second. i'm sure that's how left-wing rangers fans feel too. in italy i've always followed milan and i couldn't really give a shit if livorno fans held up a banner of che or something...obviously i support anti-fascism but it's not going to dictate my choice of football club (especially not if it's something you blindly chose as a kid and it's basically impossible to drop those old emotional attachments). and then of course my enjoyment of good positive football probably transcends both my emotional attachment to certain clubs as well as my politics.

[Dr Mindbender]

Add Chelsea and Milwall to the right wing lists.

[Tim Finnegan]

What they are tradionally based on isn't that relevant these days, to be honest. And I don't think it is a grossly exagerrated caricature. Most of them are witless about the reasons. Sure, they could run you off some dates and such about battles that mattered centuries ago. But how is any of that relevant to today? Who cares what religion the king or queen are? Who cares if you're of irish descent or scottish (like there's a big difference in the west of scotland)? I don't think there's anything more to it than tribalism.
I'm not saying that we're still in the Bad Old Days of institutionalised anti-Catholicism, but the dynamic isn't just one of crude us-and-them tribalism, especially not in working class areas. That's part of it, certainly, but the same could be said of the Six Counties- which is what this is a reflection of- and I doubt you'd argue that there was no greater substance to that conflict.

You'll remember that only one set of fans sings a song calling for the ethnic cleansing of their opponents. Try to remember which one it is.

[F9]

i dont want to hear objections about Celtic brothers!!:thumbup1:

XVZkaDjKI9U

http://i34.tinypic.com/eq86fl.gif

[Gorilla]

Fuck, when did Roma go fascist?

[Tifosi]

Fuck, when did Roma go fascist?

I think it was when Commando Ultrà Curva Sud broke up due to infighting in the early 1990's. Group's like A.S. Roma Ultras and Boys came to control the Curva Sud.

But Roma's oldest group, Fedayn (named after Palestinian Resistance groups) are anti-fascist.

[Bandito]

This thread should be stuck. Agree, Fuserg9?

[F9]

yep, its on my mind i am just waiting a bit for the thread to run its course a bit before i sticky it, so i know it wont go shit.;)

[pastradamus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P0WEnpwkJo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P0WEnpwkJo)

[pastradamus]

List updated.

[Tifosi]

Infamous Youth Wender Breman

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/2879030556_16bba134de.jpg

http://furaniaphotos.free.fr/img/breme09/k.JPG

http://img1.abload.de/img/img_002706mt.jpg

http://media1.weser-kurier.de/media/1023/55309727994417/6512919_2.jpg

http://stadionkultur.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/koeln-08.jpg

[Bandito]

List updated.

If Red Star Belgrade is on the list, than so should be at least Partizan Belgrade. Those two are no different whatsoever.

[manic expression]

Here's a good sign of left-wing support in the US...

New York Red Bull supporters (Garden State Supporters) away @ Columbus just last week:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5297/5563171182_ba9aae43da_b.jpg

That's my club right there!

Also, is there any evidence or confirmation that Real Betis is right-wing? It wasn't my impression that this was the case.

[DDR]

Also, is there any evidence or confirmation that Real Betis is right-wing? It wasn't my impression that this was the case.

Well, the betis thing it's a little bit complicated, their supporters (supporters gol sur) are right wing. I have a couple of trouble with them. But the Betis is the people's team, whereas the Sevilla is the burgueois' team (but their supporters are antifa, Biris Norte)

[pastradamus]

If Red Star Belgrade is on the list, than so should be at least Partizan Belgrade. Those two are no different whatsoever.

Sorry I missed that. I shall update the list to include Werder bremen on the leftist side and move partizan.

[Delenda Carthago]

Well, the betis thing it's a little bit complicated, their supporters (supporters gol sur) are right wing. I have a couple of trouble with them. But the Betis is the people's team, whereas the Sevilla is the burgueois' team (but their supporters are antifa, Biris Norte)
I dont think there is no "peoples team" nowdays.Whether a team organised supporters is what its all about.

[DDR]

Yeah I know, but in all the villages, peasants and workers are really supportive of Betis, while the landowners (and rich people of the village) are of Sevilla. Cultural thing I gess.

[Tifosi]

Brigadas Amarillas of Cadiz. Their well into the whole Andalucia independance movement.

http://usuarios.multimania.es/cantabru/seccfutbol/brigadas_amarillas2.jpg

http://www.redasociativa.org/brigadas-amarillas/fotos/temp0910/05/3.jpg

http://rayovallecano.incondicionales.com/media/galeria/0/0/0/3/8/4/o_rayo_vallecano_bukaneros_y_brigadas_amarillas-24830.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gbEtVNv4_OI/TGQlS-1KvpI/AAAAAAAAAvA/MEVpOWhz_mI/s1600/DSCN1344.JPG

[praxis1966]

Sorry I missed that. I shall update the list to include Werder bremen on the leftist side and move partizan.

I still maintain that Cardiff City should be on the left. The fact that their hardest core supporters are also Antifa and willing to duke it out in the streets with the EDL is good enough for me.


I dont think there is no "peoples team" nowdays.Whether a team organised supporters is what its all about.

Meh Say what you want about their ultras, but Barca are still a club owned by their supporters. Just sayin'.

[DDR]

Meh Say what you want about their ultras, but Barca are still a club owned by their supporters. Just sayin'.

And so is Real Madrid and Athletic de Bilbao.

[IndependentCitizen]

For example, this is the Green Brigade, a Celtic ultras group:

http://www.ultras-celtic.com/gallery/d/3026-7/2.jpg

While these are some Rangers fans.

http://www.thejunglebhoys.net/jb/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rangers_nazi_salute_israel_2.jpg

Nazi salutes, hebrew text in the background, and the Israeli state flag?



mindfuck.

[IndependentCitizen]

Don't know if these are up there:

A.S. Livorno Calcio (Livorno, Italy)
AEK Athens F.C. (Athens, Greece)
C.A. Argentinos Juniors (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
C.A. Chacarita Juniors (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
C.F. Atlas (Guadalajara, Mexico)
Celtic F.C. (Glasgow, Scotland)
Club Atlético Colegiales (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
Eintracht Frankfurt (Frankfurt, Germany)
F.C. Internazionale Milano (Milan, Italy)
F.C. Sankt Pauli (Hamburg, Germany)
F.C. United of Manchester (Manchester, England)
F.K. Partizan Belgrade (Belgrade, Serbia)
FC Barcelona (Barcelona, Spain)
G.S. Iraklis Thessaloniki (Salonika, Greece)
Olympique de Marseilles (Marseilles, France)
Panathinaikos A.O. (Athens, Greece)
S.C. Freiburg (Freiburg, Germany)
Standard Liège (Liege, Belgium)

[F9]

Nazi salutes, hebrew text in the background, and the Israeli state flag?



mindfuck.

they are playing away at isreael with hapoel tel aviv.as for the list though...
partizan?!?!why do so many people have that illusion i dont get it, they are pure nationalists.

[pastradamus]

Don't know if these are up there:

A.S. Livorno Calcio (Livorno, Italy)
AEK Athens F.C. (Athens, Greece)
C.A. Argentinos Juniors (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
C.A. Chacarita Juniors (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
C.F. Atlas (Guadalajara, Mexico)
Celtic F.C. (Glasgow, Scotland)
Club Atlético Colegiales (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
Eintracht Frankfurt (Frankfurt, Germany)
F.C. Internazionale Milano (Milan, Italy)
F.C. Sankt Pauli (Hamburg, Germany)
F.C. United of Manchester (Manchester, England)
F.K. Partizan Belgrade (Belgrade, Serbia)
FC Barcelona (Barcelona, Spain)
G.S. Iraklis Thessaloniki (Salonika, Greece)
Olympique de Marseilles (Marseilles, France)
Panathinaikos A.O. (Athens, Greece)
S.C. Freiburg (Freiburg, Germany)
Standard Liège (Liege, Belgium)

I think i'll need a bit more evidence on some of the name's you have provided (that aren't on the list) but I will include FC united. They split from manchester united precisely because of capitalism.

[pastradamus]

Well, the betis thing it's a little bit complicated, their supporters (supporters gol sur) are right wing. I have a couple of trouble with them. But the Betis is the people's team, whereas the Sevilla is the burgueois' team (but their supporters are antifa, Biris Norte)

What about Levante UD? I went to see them play a few years ago and I must say the atmosphere was excellent.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fslG11RLh9M&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fslG11RLh9M&feature=related)

[DDR]

Fascist.

[pastradamus]

Fascist.

No way! I didnt see anything there to indicate that.

[pastradamus]

Just to add a few left-wing football players at this point:

Diego Maradonna (ARG) - Has a tattoo of Che guevara on his arm and is a supporter of Hugo Chavez.

Javier Zanetti (ARG) -A humanitarian and supporter of the EZLN.
Cristiano Lucarelli (ITA) - Communist.
Lillian Thuram (FRA) - Anti-racist campaginer and staunchly anti-sarkozy
Brian Clough (ENG) - Was strongly left-wing and would often picket with workers. Often protested against the national front.
John Barnes (JAM/ENG) - Camapigned against racism and has described himself as a socialist.
Tony Galvin (IRL) - Trade unionist.
Chris Houghton (IRL) - Former member of Militant tendancy.
Fernando Redondo (ARG)- Socialist

[DDR]

No way! I didnt see anything there to indicate that.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uDiEH6cYwsM/TBy3I9_EVJI/AAAAAAAAAz0/jTboBo1UsXE/s1600/Levante-Cartagena4.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uDiEH6cYwsM/S_ma3MJLSOI/AAAAAAAAAzM/lNkRe9o2MEg/s1600/Cartagena-Levante3.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uDiEH6cYwsM/S_maxp2KLGI/AAAAAAAAAzE/JQk5ZnCqK-A/s1600/Cartagena-Levante4.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uDiEH6cYwsM/S98QcmmPbBI/AAAAAAAAAyc/m3UfW_x28Y4/s1600/LUD-HERCULES1.jpg
http://usuarios.multimania.es/ultraslevante/fotos/jpg/tifo04.jpg

Here you have sompre proof about levante being fascist. And to those who still think Barça is not fascis:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kzio6nSw34E/ShV24LSX21I/AAAAAAAAACE/HzOAEPmWboQ/s400/juuju.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oSmwftXPnjw/ShZo_8KA0jI/AAAAAAAAoX4/uRbafhB7lZw/s400/1.jpg
Burning the national flag of the Basque Country.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mwn4akeFJ60/SlO72uBFh5I/AAAAAAAAAQ8/PGCJ8mlZMlc/s1600-h/000alfa.JPG
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2148/boys881654fb6.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/ff72us.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/ir3p6s.jpg

[praxis1966]

And to those who still think Barça is not fascis:

If I'm one of the people you're referring to, that's not what I meant to suggest... I was only attempting to illustrate how vague a term like 'people's club' can be. It really doesn't have any political meaning in my mind...

[DDR]

The people's team I said because of the Betis, you gotta live in Andalucía to understand it (before I moved there I had no clue about that). And no I wasn't reffering to you, I put it to clear the Boixos position. Anyhow this thread are for speaking about hools and ultras, no?

[IndependentCitizen]

I think i'll need a bit more evidence on some of the name's you have provided (that aren't on the list) but I will include FC united. They split from manchester united precisely because of capitalism.

It was taken from the Cardiff City's FC forum, so I'm not too sure. I'm fairly new to football, I was never a big fan until recently my local football team begun playing really well and was making football more exciting.

But Brighton & Hove albion FC isn't too left-wing, but has a large working class following, and they weren't too happy when the EDL's Brighton division decided to steal the emblem.

[IndependentCitizen]

Just to add a few left-wing football players at this point:

Diego Maradonna (ARG) - Has a tattoo of Che guevara on his arm and is a supporter of Hugo Chavez.

Javier Zanetti (ARG) -A humanitarian and supporter of the EZLN.
Cristiano Lucarelli (ITA) - Communist.
Lillian Thuram (FRA) - Anti-racist campaginer and staunchly anti-sarkozy
Brian Clough (ENG) - Was strongly left-wing and would often picket with workers. Often protested against the national front.
John Barnes (JAM/ENG) - Camapigned against racism and has described himself as a socialist.
Tony Galvin (IRL) - Trade unionist.
Chris Houghton (IRL) - Former member of Militant tendancy.
Fernando Redondo (ARG)- Socialist

I know of Brian Clough because he was the manager of B&HAFC for a few years in the 70s. When he died in 2004, there was a huge banner saying R.I.P comrade. (My dad told me this a few weeks ago since we were talking about politics and other shiz.)

[Delenda Carthago]

KNTn17CS1Kg

Chacarita Juniors
From Argentina

[Sasha]

Just to add a few left-wing football players at this point:

Diego Maradonna (ARG) - Has a tattoo of Che guevara on his arm and is a supporter of Hugo Chavez.

Javier Zanetti (ARG) -A humanitarian and supporter of the EZLN.
Cristiano Lucarelli (ITA) - Communist.
Lillian Thuram (FRA) - Anti-racist campaginer and staunchly anti-sarkozy
Brian Clough (ENG) - Was strongly left-wing and would often picket with workers. Often protested against the national front.
John Barnes (JAM/ENG) - Camapigned against racism and has described himself as a socialist.
Tony Galvin (IRL) - Trade unionist.
Chris Houghton (IRL) - Former member of Militant tendancy.
Fernando Redondo (ARG)- Socialist

dont forget Oleguer (now ajax, ex-barca): solid catalonian leftist, joined a few of the anti-squatting ban protests recently, still is under spanish court after defending himself during an cop attack on an barca social center: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleguer_Presas


and as i wrote in the OI spinoff of this thread about the dutch situation:


The Feyenoord firm battered a Nazi group in 2000 or so, way before it became fashionable. They also had an good antiracist group of fans. Sadly they enmass supported Pim fortuyn, when he died they almost triggerd race riots.
most hardcore nazis support rotterdams seccond team Sparta, wich always amazes me as they also have a big leftwing Turkish/kurdish following.
in the 80s there where big Nazi problems at ado the Hague and fc groningen but now a days as far as I know only vitesse tolerate nazis on the stands and in their town.
worth to mention are the vandas noord, zwolle's firm. staunch antifascists and quite leftist.

[pastradamus]

dont forget Oleguer (now ajax, ex-barca): solid catalonian leftist, joined a few of the anti-squatting ban protests recently, still is under spanish court after defending himself during an cop attack on an barca social center: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleguer_Presas


and as i wrote in the OI spinoff of this thread about the dutch situation:

How could I forget Presas Oleguer! A man who refused to play for Spain as he was a left-wing Catalan. His writings on the Zapatistas too! He's a pretty interesting guy alright.

I also find the dutch situation an interesting one. Here in Ireland we are lucky not to have this. Irish Republicanism is strong in many clubs and so any form of Nazism would not be tolerated ANYWHERE.

[praxis1966]

The people's team I said because of the Betis, you gotta live in Andalucía to understand it (before I moved there I had no clue about that). And no I wasn't reffering to you, I put it to clear the Boixos position. Anyhow this thread are for speaking about hools and ultras, no?

Oh, yeah, you're completely spot on... I just thought for a moment that maybe there was some misunderstanding; like maybe you thought I was endorsing Boixos or something. It just wasn't clear, at least to me anyway. Carry on then, lulz..

[F9]

Here you have sompre proof about levante being fascist. And to those who still think Barça is not fascis:

No one doubts the existence of Boixos Nois, what is doubt is that they had the leadership of the stands!From what i know Boixos Nois are "banned" from Camp Nou presenting their banners, and they just do it on away matches or in some corners of the camp nou.Beside that, one group dont classifys the whole team as leftist or not.This whole thread may create some confusion, but it needs to be cleared that what is mostly discussed here is teams who have fans of the 2 ideologies leading the stands.So existance of Boixos Nois dont makes Barca a fascist team, just like existance of original21 dont makes AEK Athens a leftist team, but 2 cases are different cause in R21 case, they clearly have the control of the stands, while boixos seems to be highly doubted!We dont just run and tag a team on the existance of one single ultras group.See Roma for example, now its a fascist ruling stands, it didnt used to be this way.Leftists had the control, but their group got dissolved, at that time what you would see on stands were mostly antifa even though fascist groups did exist and did manage to put banners on lots of occasions, now it aint, it dont really classified Roma back then as leftist, neither does now as fascist.

[Bandito]

Babelsberg fans are basically an antifa crew. The team itself was once known as SG Karl-Marx Babelsberg.

I'll be in Berlin for May 1st demo, and Babelsberg are playing the nazis from Dynamo Dresden (http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/dresden/neo-nazi-skandal-um-vip-tickets-8776032.bild.html) (also should be on the right/wing list) at the time. Of course I already have the ticket for that game. :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2133/1891519243_8671dfd5fd.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3327/3600867097_73350f19b0.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2471/3600856955_027f8a5b31.jpg

[Wanted Man]

dont forget Oleguer (now ajax, ex-barca): solid catalonian leftist, joined a few of the anti-squatting ban protests recently, still is under spanish court after defending himself during an cop attack on an barca social center: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleguer_Presas

Shit player, but a great person for sure. Also one of the few footballers with a few brain cells. He even wrote a book!

[Delenda Carthago]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4537859.stm

Go Inter!:cool:

[Bandito]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4537859.stm

Go Inter!:cool:

Hm. Go Zanetti, Inter's fans are very much right-wing.

[IndependentCitizen]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4537859.stm

Go Inter!:cool:

That's awesome! I sure hope the Zapatista people win!

[praxis1966]

Anybody know anything about Mexico? I know a lot of the barra bravas have a tendency toward nationalism, but I'm a little curious about a couple of teams... In particular, there's Necaxa who's barra bravas are called Comando Rojinegro... They might very well be apolitical, but the color choice inserted directly into the name is interesting given the club's colors are red and white. In addition, there's 'La Fusion,' the barra bravas of Jaguares de Chiapas; I couldn't find much on them (presumably because the club nearly went bankrupt last season), but I did find the image and video below. Also, there's Indios de Cd. Juarez, whose barra bravas go by 'El Kartel' and tend to use stars in combination with the image of Che a lot...

La Fusion (Jaguares de Chiapas) [The slogan 'Bienestar social' means 'social welfare' in English]:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=608&pictureid=7758

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^If you pause it at around the 27 - 29 second mark, you can clearly see the anarchist circle A on one of the banners...

El Kartel (Indios de Cd. Juarez):

http://euro.mediotiempo.com/media/2009/07/25/playeras-de-indios.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CzG1VG5KYUQ/Sluzdix05SI/AAAAAAAAAUw/40Aq1QiEp3U/s1600-h/indios+-+el+kartel.pnghttp://www.revleft.com/vb/[IMG]http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=608&pictureid=7757http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=608&pictureid=7757

AzZgl0bA9YY

Dunno if any of that actually means anything, but it's certainly interesting.

[Sasha]

Hey, got a free month sport channel, their broadcasting st pauli v schalke at the moment. First time I see an mwtch of them on tv. Awesome sight all the banners and flags.
Sadly they are losing the match though.

[progressive_lefty]

Hey, got a free month sport channel, their broadcasting st pauli v schalke at the moment. First time I see an mwtch of them on tv. Awesome sight all the banners and flags.
Sadly they are losing the match though.

When I finally get to Europe, I do intend on going to see Saint Pauli play!

[Sasha]

you should, its great fun. although i never seem to remember much of it but that is related to the insane amounts of beer drunk before, during and after the match.

[Bandito]

Hey, got a free month sport channel, their broadcasting st pauli v schalke at the moment. First time I see an mwtch of them on tv. Awesome sight all the banners and flags.
Sadly they are losing the match though.

Did you watch it all the way to the end? :)

[Sasha]

nope... stopped watching after the second red, just read how it ended... lol

[Bandito]

zEDwW688fcE
Great, now they'll ban beer on football matches in Germany.

[Sasha]

i must say, for what you pay for an half a liter in the st. pauli stadium compared to what you would pay in an dutch one you can afford trow with it.
then again, he should consider himself lucky, i until now never got searched upon entering the pauli stadium (wich would be unheard of in the netherlands) could just as easily been an schnaps bottle

[Delenda Carthago]

i must say, for what you pay for an half a liter in the st. pauli stadium compared to what you would pay in an dutch one you can afford trow with it.
then again, he should consider himself lucky, i until now never got searched upon entering the pauli stadium (wich would be unheard of in the netherlands) could just as easily been an schnaps bottle
Well, I dont like the control over our lives, but let me tell you, here in Greece hooliganism is all time high.The football clubs support that element, using the hooligans as private armies. Its been a while since the last time there wasnt something very fucked up for over a month.

wyvjaJQUf9I

Τhis is from last month, when Olympiakos and PAO were playing, and Olympiakos hools got into the stadium and attacked the players of PAO. After that, the president of Olympiakos attacked Djibril Sise in the locker rooms and bragged about it afterwards in the press conferance.

[pastradamus]

List updated

[Bandito]

Pastradamus, what's the story with Shamrock Rovers? From what I've heard, they have pretty good antifascist crew.

Also, Dinamo Zagreb should be on the list as well. Their main group, The Bad Blue Boys (BBB) are right-wing and have caused a lot of racist outbursts over the years. They also have a lot of nazi flirts on the stadium.

[Tifosi]

In Russia Antifa teams are Spartak Nalchik

http://s45.radikal.ru/i107/1010/14/e3068b7c030b.jpg

FC Karelia

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q74b-4DCAbI/TA-scbFkMFI/AAAAAAAAAW0/2yO7MOtK5hs/s1600/x_9fbb29be.jpg

http://piter.indymedia.org/files/x_d83318b6.jpg

http://www.revleft.com/vb/nazis-attack-fc-t140389/index.html?t=140389.*FC. Karelia fans being attacked by fascist's from Zenit St Petersburg.

FC Nika Moscow have one Antifa ultra group called "Warshavka" but they also have a fascist group called "Moscow Mighty Squad". I don't know which group is bigger and controls the stands.

[pastradamus]

Pastradamus, what's the story with Shamrock Rovers? From what I've heard, they have pretty good antifascist crew.

Also, Dinamo Zagreb should be on the list as well. Their main group, The Bad Blue Boys (BBB) are right-wing and have caused a lot of racist outbursts over the years. They also have a lot of nazi flirts on the stadium.


I shall add Dinamo Zagreb to the list then. Well, over here in Ireland we dont really have much of an ANTIFA presence I suppose, but we do definetly have a left-wing presence in football supporters. I honestly cant think of any team with a right-wing following or with racist fans.

I know members of the Bohemians fan club ran a fundraiser for Antifa Ireland a while back so they would have a very strong leftist fan base. Shelbourne FC's ultras fan group is called "brigoid dearg" which traslates as "red brigade".

But, Yes, I suppose Shamrock Rovers (whom I hate!) could be described as left-wing as they own their football club and saved it from extinction after its former owners almost destroyed it.

My own hometown team of Cork City could also be described as leftist. It is owned by its fans, you always see Che Guevara flags, "no moderno calcio" banners and we also have a staunch anti-racism policy.

[Manic Impressive]

Just copy pasted this from the OI version

I think football clubs in England are largely apolitical, which is not how they started but as for left wing clubs I was surprised no mentioned Liverpool to me they are by far the most left wing club associated mainly with the trade unions rather than Che Guevara. Remember when Robbie Fowler showed his support for the Dockers strike?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwl2zYWg1tIHHJZNa6P6w8OPbfU_zaA cEsqxiinWxnOrcQOM2bnQ
After he showed that shirt in a european game (I think) after scoring everyone wanted one. The shirts were being sold by the dockers to provide relief for workers on strike and the funds raised through heightened sales provided a little relief for the men let down by their own union.
http://libcom.org/tags/liverpool-dockers-strike (http://www.anonym.to/?http://libcom.org/tags/liverpool-dockers-strike)
http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/misc/progress.gif http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/edit.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=2063834)

[Angry Young Man]

Please God don't say Leeds Utd are a right-wing team :O

Also, surely FC Barca are a left-wing team?

[Bandito]

Did anyone catch the halftime scene in the St. Pauli vs Bayer Leverkusen game? :laugh:

[pastradamus]

Please God don't say Leeds Utd are a right-wing team :O

Also, surely FC Barca are a left-wing team?

No Leeds dont seem right-wing at all really.
I think what people were saying earlier on here is that Barca have a right-wing Ultras group "boixos nois". But on that issue I will however say that you still see many catalan communist flags in the camp nou and so I honestly dont know where to put them on the list. I was at a barca game before and I didnt their fans to be in the least bit right-wing to be honest. But then again I dont speak catalan so maybe im an ignorant foreigner.

[Raightning]

While the debate's died down, I feel I should put in a word regarding Millwall in particular given the number of people in here who've described it as 'right-wing'.

It's not particularly accurate to characterise any club in England as left-wing or right-wing, but it's ridiculous to claim that Millwall particularly is right-wing, or indeed racist. If anything, Millwall probably has the most left-wing and anti-fascist support in the capital; bear in mind that Millwall draws most of its support from the working-class and (relatively) well-integrated communities of south-east London, boroughs such as Lewisham, Lambeth and Southwark which are home to some of the strongest left and anti-fascist movements in London. Hell, our most famous fan is Bob Crow, and he's actually a pretty good representation of a lot of our fans in all honesty, even if most of them do hate him.

Of course, I'm heavily biased as a Millwall fan, and obviously as a communist and as the son of a socialist, I'm not going to have many run-ins with the less pleasant parts of our support. But Millwall isn't a right-wing club, and there's no club in England that I'd characterise as such either (even Chelsea and Leeds as much as it pains me to say it :p), although that's probably helped by the fact that the media does its best to make a class war out of football with the hooliganism dog-whistle and all that.

But anyway, great thread. Here's something from Northern Irish side Derry City, who probably belong on the left-wing list from what I know of them (although that's not much more than "things I read on the internet"):
http://i.imgur.com/YrTQh.jpg

[pastradamus]

While the debate's died down, I feel I should put in a word regarding Millwall in particular given the number of people in here who've described it as 'right-wing'.

It's not particularly accurate to characterise any club in England as left-wing or right-wing, but it's ridiculous to claim that Millwall particularly is right-wing, or indeed racist. If anything, Millwall probably has the most left-wing and anti-fascist support in the capital; bear in mind that Millwall draws most of its support from the working-class and (relatively) well-integrated communities of south-east London, boroughs such as Lewisham, Lambeth and Southwark which are home to some of the strongest left and anti-fascist movements in London. Hell, our most famous fan is Bob Crow, and he's actually a pretty good representation of a lot of our fans in all honesty, even if most of them do hate him.

Of course, I'm heavily biased as a Millwall fan, and obviously as a communist and as the son of a socialist, I'm not going to have many run-ins with the less pleasant parts of our support. But Millwall isn't a right-wing club, and there's no club in England that I'd characterise as such either (even Chelsea and Leeds as much as it pains me to say it :p), although that's probably helped by the fact that the media does its best to make a class war out of football with the hooliganism dog-whistle and all that.

But anyway, great thread. Here's something from Northern Irish side Derry City, who probably belong on the left-wing list from what I know of them (although that's not much more than "things I read on the internet"):
http://i.imgur.com/YrTQh.jpg

I completely agree with what your saying. Football in England isn't really politicised at all and so we have yet to add an english side to the list.

Yes, good pick with Derry City there. They might be from Northern Ireland but they play in the Republic's League and are quite a good team. Their Ultras section is called "the jungle side boys" and they have close ties to Celtics green brigade. So on the list they go!

[F9]

I completely agree with what your saying. Football in England isn't really politicised at all and so we have yet to add an english side to the list.



fc united of Manchester was mentioned above, and should be added to the left wing teams.They are part of ALERTA.;)

[Tim Finnegan]

I completely agree with what your saying. Football in England isn't really politicised at all and so we have yet to add an english side to the list.

Yes, good pick with Derry City there. They might be from Northern Ireland but they play in the Republic's League and are quite a good team. Their Ultras section is called "the jungle side boys" and they have close ties to Celtics green brigade. So on the list they go!
Derry F.C. have a primarily nationalist support-base, don't they? There seems to be a correlation in the UK between (cultural and political) proximity to the Irish national liberation struggle and politicisation of football- perhaps because it's the only political struggle that really has much of a popular resonance with the working class any more?

[Means to a end]

I agree English football is not overly politicalized. My club (Luton) is the same town were the EDL was formed and many of the EDL founding members are Luton fans. Some may argue we are the 'EDL club'. They walk about the club with little to no opposition and even ran on the pitch vs York chanting their songs.

The fans however on the whole admittedly harbour racist views at least to themselves. Have heard racist chanting and very close to the bone comments. However have never see any left action or anything to counter this from the stands. Were Luton play holds a overly Asian population, however nearly all of our fans are white.

I know you are biased mate, but Millwall ARE the most racist team in England, we are probably up there as well to be fair.

So there is no politics is English football, yes. But nationalism and racism is still harboured in some supports (and I doubt it ever will leave) as there is little to no base from the left in English football.

[bricolage]

Luton are just pissed they'll never get to play Watford again so are trying to pick fights with everyone else.

[pastradamus]

fc united of Manchester was mentioned above, and should be added to the left wing teams.They are part of ALERTA.;)

I already added them.:)

[pastradamus]

Im updating the list to include Adana Demirspor (TUR).

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[Dr Mindbender]

I'm not a football expert but i'd say Cliftonville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliftonville_F.C.) probably should go in the left wing category. Their rivalry with Linfield is the closest thing to an Irish equivalent of the Rangers-Celtic old firm feuds.

Anyone know what the South American and African league scene is like?

I would have though Argentine football in particular is a political hotbed.

[praxis1966]

Anyone know what the South American and African league scene is like?

I would have though Argentine football in particular is a political hotbed.

I believe Boca Juniors are already up there as leftist... But I know roughly as much about that scene as you do.

[Means to a end]

As to join the list under both left and right groups is PSG in France.

The Police over there often have to separate the supporters from themselves and not the other teams fans.

[LewisQ]

Thats an excellent point. I often participate in my hometown ultras group but I never get in actual fights. We are ultras and not hooligans.

That said, from an Irish point of view, most of clubs over here would be at least left-leaning with Shamrock Rovers and Cork City both being fan-owned.

*LIST UPDATED*
Shamrock Rovers left-wing - I've heard it all now! The club may be fan-owned, but unfortunately its fans are disgusting right-wing thugs.

Here's some of their handiwork:

0fretxesAwI

And a photo taken before a Europa League game in Israel.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs195.ash2/45790_1261172669664_1840129603_519246_4137709_n.jp g

[pastradamus]

Shamrock Rovers left-wing - I've heard it all now! The club may be fan-owned, but unfortunately its fans are disgusting right-wing thugs.

Here's some of their handiwork:

0fretxesAwI

And a photo taken before a Europa League game in Israel.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs195.ash2/45790_1261172669664_1840129603_519246_4137709_n.jp g

I was just going on the whole fan-owned aspect. But yeah, I've no problem with hating shamrock rovers a little bit more after that. I am a cork city fan after all! :lol:

[pastradamus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q29Z5tZXWG0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q29Z5tZXWG0&feature=related)

[Red Commissar]

Is there a reason why they hold the banner upside down? Or am I reading into it too much?

[Tim Finnegan]

Is there a reason why they hold the banner upside down? Or am I reading into it too much?
Dumb micks can't do anything right. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/mischief.gif

[bricolage]

I think it started as a protest against john reid, dunno if that's what it's still for.

[Tifosi]

Rude Boys Sampdoria

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OnDUY_5MpDE/TKzeiRhh5JI/AAAAAAAAE-k/0plk3x_hmso/s640/rude.jpg

http://www.ultra-stpauli.com/copper/albums/userpics/Bild-006~1.jpg

Taking at St Pauli

Sampdoria have good links with fans of Terni.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OnDUY_5MpDE/SvZ7xnCLxpI/AAAAAAAAC_c/mnKe1wLG9fw/s320/ternihermanamientosamp.jpg


I think it started as a protest against john reid, dunno if that's what it's still for.

Yes, the banner is still upside down in protest against Celtic Chairmen John Reid.

[F9]

Bayern Munich seems a left friendly club, at least i know of Shickeria a group of Bayern which is part of Alerta!Also Bayern agreed on a friendly game to support Pauli few years back.

[Niall]

This lovely gentleman is also a Celtic fan, mocking a black player.

http://www.scotzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/racistcelticfan.jpg
that twat was a pissed up knob and was in no way indicitive of the majority of celtics fans or any of our ultras

[Niall]

Thats an excellent point. I often participate in my hometown ultras group but I never get in actual fights. We are ultras and not hooligans.

That said, from an Irish point of view, most of clubs over here would be at least left-leaning with Shamrock Rovers and Cork City both being fan-owned.

*LIST UPDATED*

was in not rovers who had a picture of 4 fans doing nazi saultes - not that that would mean all the fans would be the same

[F9]

that twat was a pissed up knob and was in no way indicitive of the majority of celtics fans or any of our ultras

every team has its idiots! even we(OMONOIA) do...

[pastradamus]

was in not rovers who had a picture of 4 fans doing nazi saultes - not that that would mean all the fans would be the same

Yeah, I dont know when that was taken nor do I know of any Rovers fans who are actual Nazi's. I mean, as a Cork City fan (Shamrock Rovers being a team we hate) I can honestly say that their fans appeared to do an excellent job of fighting off the greedy directors (who were misappropriating fans money) and set up an independent, fan-owned club (the 400 club).

Nazism is Ireland is almost non-existent. One thing I can say that we do a good job of over here is destroying any Fascist movements that spring up.

[Niall]

every team has its idiots! even we(OMONOIA) do...

sadly youre right mate

[Niall]

Yeah, I dont know when that was taken nor do I know of any Rovers fans who are actual Nazi's. I mean, as a Cork City fan (Shamrock Rovers being a team we hate) I can honestly say that their fans appeared to do an excellent job of fighting off the greedy directors (who were misappropriating fans money) and set up an independent, fan-owned club (the 400 club).

Nazism is Ireland is almost non-existent. One thing I can say that we do a good job of over here is destroying any Fascist movements that spring up.

Thankfully youre right mate. Im from Ireland myself - Lurgan - and its good to see AFA Ireland doing such good work

[Bronco]

Chelsea should definitely be on the right wing list, their Headhunters are openly racist with links to Combat 18 and Loyalist organisations

[YorkshireAntifa]

So I'm guessing nearly all British football teams have much more dominant right-wing groups than left?

[Niall]

So I'm guessing nearly all British football teams have much more dominant right-wing groups than left?

I dunno about that mate. Its just that most of the teams who are considered left wing are in the lower divisions

[F9]

I dont even think UK teams can be compared with the ones we are talking about.The groups we are talking about are mostly of totally different mentality of what mainly you see in UK stadiums.

[Bronco]

I dont even think UK teams can be compared with the ones we are talking about.The groups we are talking about are mostly of totally different mentality of what mainly you see in UK stadiums.

How so exactly? I'd still say Chelsea should be there, especially if Rangers are

[bricolage]

How so exactly? I'd still say Chelsea should be there, especially if Rangers are
Because there don't exist ultra groups in the UK or even any kind of organised fan groups that can be compared to those on the continent. I would say on Celtic and Crystal Palace have what could be called 'ultras' but they are very small compared to Italy, France, Germany and so forth. The firms and casuals of the 70s/80s (which I would say have largely died out so to speak of the Chelsea Headhunters isn't really speaking of that much any more) were organised on a different way where the primary focus was on street fighting of taking ends, the whole introduction of chants/songs, use of tifos, visual presence as an organised group type of stuff that exists around ultra groups was not there.

[RedAntifa]

There a very few Ultra groups in the UK, and most of them are apolitical. Off the top of my head there are the Green Brigade at Celtic, who are left wing, and several small groups at Rangers, whom I'm unsure of their political leaning - although it most probably is the right. The only other Scottish group I know of is the Drum Beat Mafia at Livingston, and I'd say they're apolitical. Down in England, the biggest group is probably The Holmsdale Fanatics at Crystal Palace... Looking down the leagues you've got the Stanley Ultras at Accrington and Ultras Barrovia at Barrow.

The main problem with football in the UK at the moment, in a political sense, is that most are apathetic and don't give a toss. Those who try to make a change to that, to even try and boost the atmosphere are immediately singled out for abuse and laughter. I know that the fan culture here is different from mainland Europe, but things can't change until most fans stop being so narrow-minded and accept that their fellow supporters have different viewpoints. Too many fans are happy to sit doing nothing, and with that attitude football in this country is simply going to become too expensive for the average man, and when that day comes all those who singled out the ones who tried to take action will realise their mistakes.

From a political perspective, most fans think politics and football shouldn't mix, and generally the UK seems to have the largest amount of these "supporters" in the world. For example, I frequent on a Scottish football forum, and there is a whole topic dedicated to berating FC St. Pauli and their stance against racism, fascism, etc. Maybe if more clubs, and more importantly more fans sought to support these campaigns then maybe they wouldn't be such a massive problem in society. Football brings people together; if fans here embraced this fact we could make society a better place for everyone. But it won't start until people start accepting the facts.

Rant over...

[bricolage]

re. uk atmospheres. on one hand it is true they can be in many cases very boring, bland and uninspiring, on the other the recent trend to 'ultra' up the country can in many cases come as quite artificial. when six guys get together, wave a flag and sing dale cavese for twenty minutes then 'do the poznan' for twenty more that is no way a better atmosphere than traditional english stadium. at celtic and crystal palace I think they've been more successful because they've built on what already existed but if the green brigade had refused to sing the celtic song and the hf had ditched glad all over they'd be nothing. most of the other 'ultra' groups are the utopian socialists of football fans, starting with an end ideal and (no matter how noble it may be) imposing it upon its target whilst ignoring the tendencies towards it that already exist;

"Ultra is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call ultra the real movement which abolishes the present state of football. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence."
-- Karl 'Capo' Marx

In many ways though a straight ultra atmosphere has severe limitations, there is a tendency to become ritualised and formulaic bypassing the fluid, organic and often hilarious nature of football chants/songs.

on the subject of politics I fully understand the desire to rid stadiums of racist and such like tendencies but beyond this the idea of politically relevant football clubs and fans becomes essentially impotent.

[manic expression]

Maybe I missed it, but why is DC United on the left-wing list? They have a group of fascist sympathizers among their ranks...(and really, just look at the team's original crest). Also, 1860 Munich has at least some visibly antifa supporters for sure...putting them on the right-wing list doesn't seem fair. Maybe an asterisk can be added when there's also a left-wing presence?

[IClibsoc]

As a Real Madrid fan, it's a shame that my club is full of fascist ultras :(

[pastradamus]

Maybe I missed it, but why is DC United on the left-wing list? They have a group of fascist sympathizers among their ranks...(and really, just look at the team's original crest). Also, 1860 Munich has at least some visibly antifa supporters for sure...putting them on the right-wing list doesn't seem fair. Maybe an asterisk can be added when there's also a left-wing presence?

I dont know, It was a mistake on my behalf when I copied and pasted :rolleyes:

[pastradamus]

List updated

[Andropov]

Firstly some people read to much into the politics of clubs.
Use Italy as a perfect example.
The vast majority of clubs supporter bases are fairly neutral, neither right nor left and ambivilant to it all now the exceptions to this of course are the likes of Hellas Verona, Lazio, Livorno and Ternana.
As for the rest the politics on the Curve is largely decided by who ever is the current head Capo, he will decide what goes with regards to politics and the rest of the Curve will largely go with the flow.
Very few support bases are hardcore Left wing or hardcore Right wing, its not nearly as black and white as that, nearly all grey.

As for the Irish scene its largely a political.
The biggest trend is Republicanism with clubs in the South and then of course Loyalism with certain clubs in the North. This can be broken down even further with then certain clubs being assosciated with certain para's, the likes of Linfield being assosciated with the UDA and Glentoran assosciated with the UVF.
As for Derry City, one club alot would assosciate with hardcore Republicanism, not so.
Derry have alot of fans from Republican backgrounds, lads who support them who were on the blankets or in the cages but the Derry support have attempted to move away from up the ra style support a long time ago.
Now you will only really see leftist symbolism in their fans, Republicanism isnt really advocated among their support.
Most clubs down south would be sympathetic to left wing politics to some extent or the other with two exceptions.
From my own personal experience of going to LOI games all my life ive seen this shit first hand.
Firstly Shamrock Rovers have a quasi facist following, ive seen the straight hand salutes, ive heard the racist chanting etc but I must stress its a minority. I despise the club and its fans but no point in being dishonest. Its a minoirty but a minority enough to make their presence felt, like that clip shown of Joey Ndo getting racially abused by shams fans. On their forum they have posters with facist symbols, they even have shams fans on stormfront. Does this make them a facist club? No IMO because its very complicated, their casuals would have always been assosciated with Antifa and are known to help Antifa out. So as you can see two very different traditions but from my own experiences ive only ever seen their racist minority and not their antifa minority, in fact from my experiences Shams Casuals are scum of the earth.
The second exception and the only other clubs fans ive seen with facist symbols or facist actions is Cork City. Ive seen flags with the celtic cross used in a facist context and ones such as the roman shield, another facist symbol. Ive seen them straight hand salute etc. Now yet again a minority, a very small minority, a specific minority that is the Cork Casuals, all their Casuals seem to be mad into the facist scene, bizarre really.

[pastradamus]

The second exception and the only other clubs fans ive seen with facist symbols or facist actions is Cork City. Ive seen flags with the celtic cross used in a facist context and ones such as the roman shield, another facist symbol. Ive seen them straight hand salute etc. Now yet again a minority, a very small minority, a specific minority that is the Cork Casuals, all their Casuals seem to be mad into the facist scene, bizarre really.

What?!?!

I've never ever seen this at a Cork City game in my life. I am familiar with all the flags and symbols displayed at city games and I've never seen anything remotely fascist. If anything Cork City fans are very anti-racist since a former player (Jason Kabia) was at the recieving end of racist chants from Dublin teams in the past. Even Cork City Ultras group is named after Marseille's famous left-wing ultras.

The use of the Celtic Cross on the shield has absolutely nothing to do with racism or fascism in the context of Cork City. I've never seen it displayed at a Cork City game but what the symbol represents is Cork Celtic (For Whom George Best once played for) - the club who played in Turners Cross before Cork City Fc and who were the original Cork City before it fell into financial difficulties.Another club, Cork Hibernians were wound up due to the exact same problem (the played in the nearby flower lodge stadium and were owned by the ancient order of hibernians) so in 1979 there was no big football team in Cork City and in 1984 Cork City was formed to fill this gap. Many of Cork Citys older supporters would originally have been either Cork Celtic or Cork Hibernians supporters so even though I have never seen this symbol displayed at a cork city match it is a throw-back to Cork Celtic. I have seen Cork Hibs flags in City matches in the past though. The recent upheaval in Cork City Fc when we saw the fans take over the club after it was wound up and have purchased the rights to the name back from the revenue commisioners (after it was called the FORAS Co-op for a time) has definetly brought a leftist undercurrent to the club. We now see St.Pauli & Che Guevara flags and the "no moderno calcio" slogan. Though I would say thatwhile I dont believe Cork City were ever right-wing, some fans in the past I have heard make racist statements (going back into the mid 90's) but this has definetly been wiped out and the Cork City fan of today is a person who is extremely skeptical of rich businessmen controling his/her club- as they have destroyed 3 Cork teams already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Celtic_F.C.
http://uefaclubs.com/images/Cork-Celtic.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Hibernians_F.C.
http://www.dfs-wappen.de/wappen/irland/dfs_wl_irl_cork_hibernians%5B1957_1977%5D.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_City_F.C.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/CorkCityFCCrest11.jpg http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/sites/default/files/0024/9241/brand.gif

[pastradamus]

http://www.scotzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/racistcelticfan.jpg


Well, Im happy to say that this asshole seems to have got what he deserved. It seems that fellow Celtic fans were the ones who reported him to police.

From the BBC:



Celtic fan jailed for racist jibe at El Hadji Diouf

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52658000/jpg/_52658878_seansmith464.jpg

Smith was jailed and banned from attending matches for five years
A Celtic fan who made monkey gestures towards Rangers player El Hadji Diouf during an Old Firm game has been jailed for three months.
Sean Smith, 19, from Spittal, South Lanarkshire, taunted the West African striker as he took a corner kick at Celtic Park on 20 February.
He admitted committing a racially aggravated breach of the peace after being reported by fellow Celtic fans.
Smith was also banned from attending football matches for five years.
Sentencing him at Glasgow Sheriff Court, Sheriff Lindsay Wood told Smith he had pleaded guilty to "despicable racist behaviour".
"You thought you were making a fool of the player but you were actually making a fool of yourself.
Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13361478#story_continues_1)
"I can see no alternative to a custodial sentence to mark the court's disapproval of such behaviour”
End Quote Sheriff Lindsay Wood
"You have brought shame on the club you support and on Scottish football generally."
Sheriff Wood noted that Smith had been drinking before the game, but said this was "no way to go to a football match and appreciate it".
He added: "I have to look at these matters in the context of an Old Firm match where tensions are running high and I can see no alternative to a custodial sentence to mark the court's disapproval of such behaviour."
Defence lawyer Raymond McIlwham told the court that his client has received death threats as a result of what he did.
He also added that Diouf has a bad relationship with Celtic fans.
Mr McIlwham said: "The relationship between the player involved and the Celtic fans has been a difficult one.
"That in no way excuses Mr Smith's actions but it's conceivable that another player may not have roused that level of passion in a supporter."
The lawyer added that his client is ashamed and now "deeply regrets" what he did.

[Antifa hapoel]

Israel:

The main left wing fans in Israel are the Hapoel tel aviv fans:
http://www.google.co.il/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ultrashapoel.com/gallery/albums/Sakhnin_hapoel1-0/1677677029_9bd04e6a72_o.sized.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.red-workers.com/forums/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D8679%26sid%3Dc47319477b64a48b7 41980be8ed9b382&usg=__Mw2eKBUWlIs2G8b6bLw2xS0N96E=&h=403&w=640&sz=80&hl=iw&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=bmpK_mSxeqA7hM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=171&ei=tJnXTbvtLMyxhAf814W3Bg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dantifa%2Bhapoel%26um%3D1%26hl%3Diw%26 biw%3D1024%26bih%3D673%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=72&vpy=359&dur=1545&hovh=178&hovw=283&tx=149&ty=96&sqi=2&page=1&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:0

http://www.google.co.il/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ultrashapoel.com/gallery/albums/album84/5825_G.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ultrashapoel.com/gallery/album84/5825_G&usg=__IzZZzbAsUvpIFVlZkxolpA_ZcLI=&h=383&w=570&sz=154&hl=iw&start=36&zoom=1&tbnid=Wnewq2cp4KRsUM:&tbnh=151&tbnw=182&ei=SJnXTZDuFtKBhQel0Ny9Bg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25D7%2590%25D7%2595%25D7%259C%25D7%2 598%25D7%25A8%25D7%2590%25D7%25A1%2B%25D7%2594%25D 7%25A4%25D7%2595%25D7%25A2%25D7%259C%26um%3D1%26hl %3Diw%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D673%26tbm%3Dis ch0%2C1879&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=183&vpy=233&dur=407&hovh=151&hovw=182&tx=86&ty=139&sqi=2&page=4&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:36&biw=1024&bih=673

becides Hapoel Tel Aviv there is Hapoel Ramat Gan fans :http://www.google.co.il/imgres?imgurl=http://msc.wcdn.co.il/archive/748671-5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sports.walla.co.il/%3Fw%3D//1677374/748671/5/%40%40/media&usg=__YaeBbyqX0eozvCBziaw90ugrsxM=&h=466&w=700&sz=253&hl=iw&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Oija-dCq927GFM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=188&ei=g5rXTef2C8a5hAeav-nBBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25D7%2590%25D7%2595%25D7%2594%25D7%2 593%25D7%2599%2B%25D7%2594%25D7%25A4%25D7%2595%25D 7%25A2%25D7%259C%2B%25D7%25A8%25D7%259E%25D7%25AA% 2B%25D7%2592%25D7%259F%26um%3D1%26hl%3Diw%26biw%3D 1024%26bih%3D673%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=593&vpy=220&dur=2088&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=188&ty=70&sqi=2&page=1&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0

there is also Hapoel Haifa which is lefties and all the outhers are right wing.

the most racist and fascist fans are the fans of beitar Jerusalem.
never an arabic player played for this teem bacause the fans are against arabs and muslims...
they sing songs against arabs and they hate Hapoel TA and Hapoel hate them.
last seasin Hapoel won the championship in the last game against Beitat in Jerusalem... the arabic captain of hapoel raised the cup infront of Beitar fans and it was very nice to see all the racist get med...

A part of Maccabi TA fans is also racist and fascist and the derby of TA is always emotional and hot/

[Andropov]

What?!?!

I've never ever seen this at a Cork City game in my life. I am familiar with all the flags and symbols displayed at city games and I've never seen anything remotely fascist. If anything Cork City fans are very anti-racist since a former player (Jason Kabia) was at the recieving end of racist chants from Dublin teams in the past. Even Cork City Ultras group is named after Marseille's famous left-wing ultras.

The use of the Celtic Cross on the shield has absolutely nothing to do with racism or fascism in the context of Cork City. I've never seen it displayed at a Cork City game but what the symbol represents is Cork Celtic (For Whom George Best once played for) - the club who played in Turners Cross before Cork City Fc and who were the original Cork City before it fell into financial difficulties.Another club, Cork Hibernians were wound up due to the exact same problem (the played in the nearby flower lodge stadium and were owned by the ancient order of hibernians) so in 1979 there was no big football team in Cork City and in 1984 Cork City was formed to fill this gap. Many of Cork Citys older supporters would originally have been either Cork Celtic or Cork Hibernians supporters so even though I have never seen this symbol displayed at a cork city match it is a throw-back to Cork Celtic. I have seen Cork Hibs flags in City matches in the past though. The recent upheaval in Cork City Fc when we saw the fans take over the club after it was wound up and have purchased the rights to the name back from the revenue commisioners (after it was called the FORAS Co-op for a time) has definetly brought a leftist undercurrent to the club. We now see St.Pauli & Che Guevara flags and the "no moderno calcio" slogan. Though I would say thatwhile I dont believe Cork City were ever right-wing, some fans in the past I have heard make racist statements (going back into the mid 90's) but this has definetly been wiped out and the Cork City fan of today is a person who is extremely skeptical of rich businessmen controling his/her club- as they have destroyed 3 Cork teams already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Celtic_F.C.
http://uefaclubs.com/images/Cork-Celtic.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Hibernians_F.C.
http://www.dfs-wappen.de/wappen/irland/dfs_wl_irl_cork_hibernians%5B1957_1977%5D.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_City_F.C.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/CorkCityFCCrest11.jpg http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/sites/default/files/0024/9241/brand.gif

http://z6.invisionfree.com/UltrasTifosi/index.php?showtopic=11341&st=242
Have a look at that, openly facist poster with a Cork City flag with the Celtic Cross. Also the same fans have also a flag with the Roman Shield, which is basically a shield with the top left hand corner cut out which is also a facist symbol.
Like I said its a minority, these lads used to be members of C84, arent anymore since they were either kicked out or left, they are the Cork Casuals now and all of them seem to lean to the right to one extent or the other.
We are only talking 20 or 30 lads id say, from about 15 to 25 age group.
Some of the same lads who were jumped outside Shels there a week ago where one of their group was on life support.
They dont even get into Turners X anymore, they are nearly all banned so their bile is normally only seen at away games, like at that Shels game they were making straight hand salutes, clowns.

[pastradamus]

http://z6.invisionfree.com/UltrasTifosi/index.php?showtopic=11341&st=242
Have a look at that, openly facist poster with a Cork City flag with the Celtic Cross. Also the same fans have also a flag with the Roman Shield, which is basically a shield with the top left hand corner cut out which is also a facist symbol.
Like I said its a minority, these lads used to be members of C84, arent anymore since they were either kicked out or left, they are the Cork Casuals now and all of them seem to lean to the right to one extent or the other.
We are only talking 20 or 30 lads id say, from about 15 to 25 age group.
Some of the same lads who were jumped outside Shels there a week ago where one of their group was on life support.
They dont even get into Turners X anymore, they are nearly all banned so their bile is normally only seen at away games, like at that Shels game they were making straight hand salutes, clowns.


I think you are referring to those idiots we call "the corner boys". I've never ever seen any of them wear a Cork City strip or wave flags. Your probably correct in saying they are nearly all banned because I havent seen any of them all season. That clown on the website with his moronic flag I thankfully, have never seen at a Cork City game before and I dont think the fans would tolerate it - I certainly wouldn't.

[Niall]

I think you are referring to those idiots we call "the corner boys". I've never ever seen any of them wear a Cork City strip or wave flags. Your probably correct in saying they are nearly all banned because I havent seen any of them all season. That clown on the website with his moronic flag I thankfully, have never seen at a Cork City game before and I dont think the fans would tolerate it - I certainly wouldn't.

the guy admitted the flag reflected his own personal views and not that of the group he is with

[Tifosi]

'Red Army' Velez Mostar

http://galerija.redarmy-mostar.ba/albums/ArhivaSlika/RK%20Velez/Velez%20-%20Vitez%202010-11/62380_430520028156_558618156_5270107_811390_n.jpg

[Tifosi]

May Day Istanbul 2011 - Besiktas Carsi

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5915/227489.jpg

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8022/226442.jpg

[Tifosi]

Karlsruhe

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6135/rwoberhausenkarlsruhers.jpg

[F9]

May Day Istanbul 2011 - Besiktas Carsi

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5915/227489.jpg

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8022/226442.jpg

We need Devrim's or Leo's feedback on this.I saw (A) flying on different occasions in Turkey supporters but from what i heard and being said in here by Devrim mainly non such a genuine Anarchist group exists.I also see PAOK there...

[Tifosi]

We need Devrim's or Leo's feedback on this.I saw (A) flying on different occasions in Turkey supporters but from what i heard and being said in here by Devrim mainly non such a genuine Anarchist group exists.I also see PAOK there...

I think it is common knowledge that Carsi aren't genuine Anarchists. They use the 'A' because it looks cool on their group logo banners. There are videos on Youtube of them singing Turkish Nationalist songs, with a Capo with a Mustafa Atatürk banner.

[F9]

i was hoping for a sub-group or a split tbh:blushing: ;)

[Tifosi]

Mega right-wing team Beitar Jerusalem, with flag of Kach and Kahane Chai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_and_Kahane_Chai[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_and_Kahane_Chai[/URL").

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.325578.1290160399!/image/1309754334.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_295/1309754334.jpg

[Tifosi]

FC Serp i Molot Moscow ("Sickle and Hammer")

http://s48.radikal.ru/i120/1106/47/bff5a9c2c377.jpg

[valis_GATE-14-]

i am sorry 4 notice but olympiakos has the biggest fun club of a extreme right side called Misfits and all the people there belonge in the neo-nazi side of political minds in greece
and one more , i believe partizan is in left side , but ok , i dont swear , i am not sure
thanks and sorry again

[valis_GATE-14-]

also panathinaikos fans , everybody knows , that the biggest fan club , before some years , called N.O.P.O. wich means nazistiki organosi panathinaikon opadon in engelish - nazistical organisation of panathinakos fans
they are still now in the right side , but only few are sosialist or left side , most of them are nazi
paok , iraklis , aris , apollon kalamarias , levadiakos , panachaiki , atromitos peristeriou ,omonoia nicosia , alki , nea salamina , pas giannina , and some other teams from greece and cyprus are more than 95% left or anarchist side
i mean the fans , but also some of the teams have chose the "left" side

[Gate9]

But the most impresive shit i ve seen from football fans comes from Cyprus.

http://www.oleole.com/media/main/images/member_photos/group2/subgrp294/gate9antifa_412727.jpg

RE comrade...since you though that was impressive I will leave you with the live action clip taken from the opposite stands that house our hated fascist rivals ...... they seemed to be enjoying the "show" as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePKh3PDZC44&feature=related


won't bore you with the rest as I am sure Fuserg9 has already brought you up to speed with G9 anti-fa action both at home and as part of the alerta network.

Respect to all the brotherly groups out there, hope we catch a few of you brothers for beers and comradly discussions while we on tour this season in the european league.

[Pionir]

First of all, hello to everybody here, as I am new to the forum.

I came across this thread and wanted to make contribution and clarify some things.

First one is that Dynamo Dresden does have a history of right wing but it's in their past. The new generation of fans are mostly apolitical (and lead the group in that way) which you can see by the friendship they have with FK Sarajevo fans which are mostly muslims and atheists (there are also catholic and ortodox christians) by religion beliefs.

That being said let's continue with Bosnia-Herzegovina:
Sarajevo (Sarajevo) - apolitical as a group but as individuals more left wing than right
Zeljeznicar (Sarajevo) - apolitical as FK Sarajevo but as individuals more right wing
Zrinjski (Mostar) - right wing
Velez (Mostar) - left wing
Sloboda (Tuzla) - left wing
Celik (Zenica) - left wing
Siroki Brijeg (Siroki Brijeg) - right wing
Borac (Banja Luka) - right wing

Serbia:
All of the groups are right wing especially Rad (Beograd).

Croatia:
Same as Serbia but with exception of Zagreb (not Dinamo, Zagreb is the name of the club) which are left and Istra (Pula) which I can't tell really. Pula as a city is mostly left wing so I guess the fans are too but they don't express it. I guess you can sort them as apolitical.

[Bandito]

Sloboda (Tuzla) - left wing
Celik (Zenica) - left wingEvidence?


Borac (Banja Luka) - right wing Right, but they are also the only team in Bosnia with an organized antifa crew on the stands. Quite an oxymoron.


First one is that Dynamo Dresden does have a history of right wing but it's in their past. The new generation of fans are mostly apolitical (and lead the group in that way) which you can see by the friendship they have with FK Sarajevo fans which are mostly muslims and atheists (there are also catholic and ortodox christians) by religion beliefs.I've been to Babelsberg vs Dynamo Dresden game just a month ago. Thor Steinars all the way. Yes, they still have nazis.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

What about Detroit lions? Really, in general, americans believe football is not soccer. I would know that, I am one

[Pionir]

Evidence?

Right, but they are also the only team in Bosnia with an organized antifa crew on the stands. Quite an oxymoron.

I've been to Babelsberg vs Dynamo Dresden game just a month ago. Thor Steinars all the way. Yes, they still have nazis.

Evidence for Celik:
http://sportsport.ba/slike/bh_fudbal/celik2velika124.jpg
http://www4.slikomat.com/09/0427/byl-celik-.jpg

Evidence for Sloboda:
http://tuzlalive.ba/portal/wp-content/uploads/tl_fukare3.jpg
http://static01.dernek.ba/grupe/galerija/389469-4890-85310-fukare_zeljo1_1_.jpg

It's the first time I hear about antifa group among Borac fans.

As for Dresden, situation is that their hardcore fans are divided in hools and ultras. Hools are right wing mostly and ultras are left wing. So to keep the stands in peace they decided to be apolitical.
As I said, perfect proof of that are Sarajevo fans. Siroki Brijeg fans provoked them with nazi flag (after they shot dead one of their members in riots that were actually started because of nazi salute from one Siroki fan... not many people know this), there is no way they would become friends with a fascist/nazi group.

[Bandito]

Evidence for Celik:
http://sportsport.ba/slike/bh_fudbal/celik2velika124.jpg
http://www4.slikomat.com/09/0427/byl-celik-.jpg

Evidence for Sloboda:
http://tuzlalive.ba/portal/wp-content/uploads/tl_fukare3.jpg
http://static01.dernek.ba/grupe/galerija/389469-4890-85310-fukare_zeljo1_1_.jpg

It's the first time I hear about antifa group among Borac fans.

As for Dresden, situation is that their hardcore fans are divided in hools and ultras. Hools are right wing mostly and ultras are left wing. So to keep the stands in peace they decided to be apolitical.
As I said, perfect proof of that are Sarajevo fans. Siroki Brijeg fans provoked them with nazi flag (after they shot dead one of their members in riots that were actually started because of nazi salute from one Siroki fan... not many people know this), there is no way they would become friends with a fascist/nazi group.

Didn't know that about Celik and Sloboda. Good work! :)

Yeah, I met some Borac fans who occasionally come to support Vojvodina (as they are brother teams), and they are very antifascist. But, yes, the core of Borac Vultures are very right-wing.

[Hoggy_RS]

Just to add a few left-wing football players at this point:

Diego Maradonna (ARG) - Has a tattoo of Che guevara on his arm and is a supporter of Hugo Chavez.

Javier Zanetti (ARG) -A humanitarian and supporter of the EZLN.
Cristiano Lucarelli (ITA) - Communist.
Lillian Thuram (FRA) - Anti-racist campaginer and staunchly anti-sarkozy
Brian Clough (ENG) - Was strongly left-wing and would often picket with workers. Often protested against the national front.
John Barnes (JAM/ENG) - Camapigned against racism and has described himself as a socialist.
Tony Galvin (IRL) - Trade unionist.
Chris Houghton (IRL) - Former member of Militant tendancy.
Fernando Redondo (ARG)- Socialist
Paul Jewell is a former member of the SWP and a socialist.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

AC Milan, owned by Silvio Berlusconi, so very right wing there.

[Mac]

I believe Liverpool is left wing. I don't know if they were mentioned before.

[Delenda Carthago]

About Barcelona

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ctaJrIKMc18/Tf5rLeQpBsI/AAAAAAAAAQg/JP-aC4Y6Lfc/s1600/DSCN3465.JPG

[Genti]

Omonia
http://i53.tinypic.com/210ngpv.jpg
PAS Giannina
http://cs5925.vkontakte.ru/u58524195/95599280/x_89224883.jpg
Audax Italiano La Florida
http://cs4409.vkontakte.ru/u9008320/95597227/x_9df6afae.jpg
Celtic
http://cs10019.vkontakte.ru/u58524195/95599280/x_ffa86168.jpg
Virtus Verona
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_p3xGk5aTOE/TXql6EbGB5I/AAAAAAAAHl0/wAcp9wd1sVM/s400/16.Mantova%2B1%2B-%2BVirtus%2BVerona%2B%2B1%2B%252830-01-2011%2529.jpg
DePortivo Lacoruna
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WxiWXGbeFPU/Tda9DxM3GoI/AAAAAAAAIJs/Q9KJebnZiVk/s400/Sporting%2BGijon%2B2%2B-%2BDeportivo%2BCoru%25C3%25B1a%2B2%2B%252807-05-2011%2529.jpg
Atalanta
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hEIjMe7EHgU/TcQsgX2ZFXI/AAAAAAAAIHM/AMQY-bfh-co/s400/02.Livorno%2B2%2B-%2BAtalanta%2B1%2B%252829-04-2011%2529.jpg
Bochum
http://cs4927.vkontakte.ru/u58524195/134226792/x_f34fa68b.jpg
Eintracht Frankfurt
http://cs5705.vkontakte.ru/u58524195/134226792/x_04b3e59f.jpg
Bayern Munchen
http://www.ui96.net/uploads/photos/202/03.jpg
Werder Bremen (rainbow flag)
http://www.ultras-blog.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Hdh-Bremen-054.jpg

[ColonelCossack]

Real madrid was Franco's team.

[Genti]

Some older ones .

Marseille
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/581/0tifofoto0af.jpg
Empoli
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/1637/20042005empoliperugia20062yj.jpg
Celtic - Copenhagen
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9238/dsc00791do8.jpg
Standard Liege
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6546/3696971img0bn.jpg
Chelsea
http://www.barmyflags.com/flags/20050707091300.jpg
Celik Zenica
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8809/jgwh2.jpg
Sankt Pauli
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5875/11dh2.jpg
SønderjyskE Denmark
http://www.lindb3rg.dk/galleri/albums/2006_10_01-AGF-SonderjyskE/normal_AGF-SE-013.jpg
Real Sociedad
http://usuarios.lycos.es/shinchainfo6/imagenes5/pm01.jpg
Ancona
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/601/1ultrastifopic1xl.jpg

[Gaspard De Besso]

Hello everybody. I've found this thread really interesting so I decided to register in order to provide further informations regarding French Ultra groups (at least Marseille's in details and some others in a more evasive way). I'll star with Marseille as it's the team I support since I was a kid and Papin, Waddle, Abedi Pele, Desailly, Barthez and co. shone in our beloved Stade Vélodrome.

South Winners 87 : The leftist ultra group par excellence with its characteristic orange colour (although the colours of l'OM are white and skyblue). The orange colour comes from a 1989 game against Paris Saint-Germain, when SW87 wore returned bomber jackets as an antifa demonstration against neonazi Kop of Boulogne members. Since then it has become the trademark of the South Winners and the club paid hommage to the Ultra group in 2007 for their 20 years of existence by wearing an orange kit in Europe games (this shirt still holds the record of sales).

Commando Ultra 1984 : well, you've spoken about them already :cool:

The other groups are more or less the same (Fanatics, MTP (Marseille Tout Puissant, might be translated by Marseille Allmighty created by Patrice de Peretti ''Depé'', the best Capo we ever had the Curva Nord was named Virage Depé after his death in 2000)...

All of these groups are left-wing ultras and to be honest I have never seen nor heard any racist chant or comment in the stadium, the guy would probably be beaten to death. Indeed Marseille is a melting-pot and even though it's not 100% effective in the city, it works in the stadium. It's the football club before and above anything else, a corner stone of the Ultra movement.

Dodger's and Yankees are engaged against racism but claim they are apolitics.

Here's a nice picture gallery :

http://paam.super-forum.net/t22-virage-sud-antifasciste

(Mainly about Marseille but you'll also find some pictures of Italy's most famous antifa Curvas on page 3-4)

We had our racist scum-intruders back in the 80's-beginning of the 90's (blau & weiss korps) but they were kicked out during some ''nazi hunts'' led by Trojan skins of the South Winners and Commando Ultra.


Also, all these clubs have antifa ultra groups (since its a copy/paste I'm not 100% sure but I'll put a * near the ones I'm 100% sure) :


Metz (horda frenetik)

Bordeaux (ultramarines)*

Cannes (ultras)

Le Havre (barbarians)

Lens (red tigers)*

Montpellier (butte paillade 91) *

Guingamp (kop rouge)

Nîmes (ultras Nîmes)

Paris sg (Auteuil Kop was allegedly antifa and always in trouble with the Kop of Boulogne, a clearly right-wing group)

Rennes (Celtic Kop)*

St-Etienne (many antifas in the Green angels and the Magic fans)*

Sochaux (joyriders)

Toulon (irreductibles) *

Toulouse (indians,ultras)

Grenoble (Red kaos)

Valenciennes (ultras roisters)


Hope it helped, please forgive my english but it's a bit rusty !

[F9]

thanks mate for the information, hope you will stick around for more ;) I held high appreciation of your team and fan groups mainly tbh caused from Original 21 affiliations which is a group i held very high respect, and if there could be a second team in my heart(not really possible) it would be AEK.I always wanted a brothership between Gate9 and CU84:D Who knows, maybe in the future!:cool:
Cheers!

[Gaspard De Besso]

Well, that I'm aware of, CU84 have connections with the Brigade Automno Livorno, Arka Gdynia (Poland), Biris Norte Sevilla, Ultras Tito Sampdoria, Riazor Blues Deportivo La Coruna, Ultras Nuremberg,Nuova Guardia Salerno and AEK's Original 21 which is actually quite good ! But you should contact them for a connection Omonoya Gate9 <-> CU84. The more Ultra connect the stronger we'll become. By the way I'm a Yankee member but throughout the last couple of years it tends to become apathic, I hope I'll be able to join the Fanatics next year (true ANTIFA section of the North Curve).

Don(t worry I'll stick around for some more, in case you come to France, I often have opportunities for tickets so...

PS : I'm a die-hard fan of both OM and Liverpool (I used to live in Liverpool and about Marseille well, it's just running through my veins but I'm sure you know what I mean :D), so maybe you could make room for another team in your heart who knows ?

[Genti]

Okay so , im from macedonia and i support KF shkendija , but as almost all teams supporters in macedonia , shkendijas fans are nationalists [ called ballistet after world war 2 albanian nationalists ] so i wanted to show you guys some pictures of fans in macedonia but they are all Nationalist based.
Ballistet Tetovo
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216626_238199672877077_114743975222648_766634_1387 447_n.jpg
Vojvodi Tetovo
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/25155_312731057923_312684767923_3389667_1340498_n. jpg
Komiti Skopje [O from the FRONT banner a CELTIC CROSS ]
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/34915_104796546241306_104014492986178_34227_719318 2_n.jpg
Shvercerat Skopje
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/282178_10150244695558406_280300768405_7412500_9923 28_n.jpg
Falanga Stip
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/39354_423467657766_161495077766_4675706_3844720_n. jpg
This is a foto of Ckembari [pelister fans ] with their rivals vardar fans. they both hate albanians in macedonia so they made this photo
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/184290_10150196792513761_243494583760_8841270_4385 587_n.jpg

[F9]

Well, that I'm aware of, CU84 have connections with the Brigade Automno Livorno, Arka Gdynia (Poland), Biris Norte Sevilla, Ultras Tito Sampdoria, Riazor Blues Deportivo La Coruna, Ultras Nuremberg,Nuova Guardia Salerno and AEK's Original 21 which is actually quite good ! But you should contact them for a connection Omonoya Gate9 <-> CU84. The more Ultra connect the stronger we'll become. By the way I'm a Yankee member but throughout the last couple of years it tends to become apathic, I hope I'll be able to join the Fanatics next year (true ANTIFA section of the North Curve).

Don(t worry I'll stick around for some more, in case you come to France, I often have opportunities for tickets so...

PS : I'm a die-hard fan of both OM and Liverpool (I used to live in Liverpool and about Marseille well, it's just running through my veins but I'm sure you know what I mean :D), so maybe you could make room for another team in your heart who knows ?

Sadly or not(think not:D), i have no permission to contact anyone on behalf of Gate9, we have other people ,probably better in charge for that;) im just a "follower" of the group;) Anw, OM its one of the teams im dying to visit, between Pauli, AEK(have been to matches, but not a home match) and Roma so one day, i hope to get the chance of visiting OM, and hopefully standing on the side with CU84 and the rest of Marseille fans:)

[Bandito]

Okay so , im from macedonia and i support KF shkendija , but as almost all teams supporters in macedonia , shkendijas fans are nationalists [ called ballistet after world war 2 albanian nationalists ] so i wanted to show you guys some pictures of fans in macedonia but they are all Nationalist based.
Ballistet Tetovo


Thank you for your post! Is there any antifa crew on the stands in Macedonia, because I don't know of one.

Also, you say you support Shkendija, how do you cope with the hardcore fascists? Ballistet are known to openly chant about Albanian alliance with Hitler during the WW2, right?

[Honggweilo]

why the hell is FC Porto in the list of right-wing clubs? Porto is particularly a-political, at most a bit regional, but sure as hell not racist. The photo's posted are an extreme exception among Ultra Dragões and Collectivo, plus the photo is pretty old, and is absolutely not common (Unlike some ultra groups of Sporting and Guimarães, though benfica also has communist supporters.) Its definitely not like some of the outspoken bonehead ultra's of Sporting Lisbon. Same counts for Juventus, which doesnt have particular politcs alligned to it.

Benfica and Sporting supporters are pretty devided by politics, and they even use "e pluribus unum" on their banners
http://pedromelim.files.wordpress.com/2005/11/PM%20Benfica%201156.JPG

Some clubs can have conflicting ultra groups, and this is especially the case in portugal. Porto tends to be less political (regional and somewhat more conservative north), and their feud with Benfica is mostly regional.

[Genti]

Thank you for your post! Is there any antifa crew on the stands in Macedonia, because I don't know of one.

Also, you say you support Shkendija, how do you cope with the hardcore fascists? Ballistet are known to openly chant about Albanian alliance with Hitler during the WW2, right?

There is no organised antifa group on macedonia in football i think .
Ballistet have their stand when they chant albanian song nationalist songs .
But there are some people who come to the main stand with che guevara t shirts and stuff but dont chant just watch the match cuz they are not organized .

Ballistet dont chant about alliance with hitler , their name comes from the albanian world war 2 nationalists who allied with hitler . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balli_Komb%C3%ABtar

[Bandito]

PAOK confuses me.

While having visual right-wing fans, and fan brotherhoods based on Orthodox religion, they still pull of something like this:

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224063_207656739255044_174511225902929_662939_7927 005_n.jpg

[Chris]

Left-wing:
Vålerenga (Norway)

Their supporter group (Klanen, the Clan) is known for being quite progressive particularily with regards to immigrants, and politics in general. They are one of two teams from the city of Oslo, and it's from the working-class part.


I guess our national team is also left-winged, considering the coach is a maoist and former member of the Worker's Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist).

[RedAnarchist]

I believe Liverpool is left wing. I don't know if they were mentioned before.

I support Liverpool and generally the fans are left-wing, although this does extend to mean more centre-left, whilst the revolutionary left is probably as small as it is in any group of English football fans. There is a link to Celtic (both sets of fans sing YNWA), although there is no sectarianism in Liverpool as both teams come from a Methodist background.

My home city club, Preston North End, who I also support, are like the majority of English clubs and have no political affiliation. There's no known link to the Catholic church even though Preston was, and still is in some ways, a deeply Catholic town and later city. Probably the most religious thing about PNE is that butter pies are a popular snack at the stadium (butter pies are onion, butter and potato pies that, according to some sources, were developed so that Lancashire workers could have something to eat on Fridays or other days that Catholics could not eat meat on). I've tried them before, quite tasty.

English football in general is not very politicised compared to other countries.

[Bandito]

I support Liverpool and generally the fans are left-wing, although this does extend to mean more centre-left, whilst the revolutionary left is probably as small as it is in any group of English football fans. There is a link to Celtic (both sets of fans sing YNWA), although there is no sectarianism in Liverpool as both teams come from a Methodist background.

My home city club, Preston North End, who I also support, are like the majority of English clubs and have no political affiliation. There's no known link to the Catholic church even though Preston was, and still is in some ways, a deeply Catholic town and later city. Probably the most religious thing about PNE is that butter pies are a popular snack at the stadium (butter pies are onion, butter and potato pies that, according to some sources, were developed so that Lancashire workers could have something to eat on Fridays or other days that Catholics could not eat meat on). I've tried them before, quite tasty.

English football in general is not very politicised compared to other countries.

Reading through "No retreat" about British AFA back in the day, it seemed like whole bunch of Man United supporters were generally antifascist and left oriented, while Citeh fans had a racist crew.

Is that (still) true, or is it just biased memories from a Man U fan who wrote that part of the book?

[RedAnarchist]

Reading through "No retreat" about British AFA back in the day, it seemed like whole bunch of Man United supporters were generally antifascist and left oriented, while Citeh fans had a racist crew.

Is that (still) true, or is it just biased memories from a Man U fan who wrote that part of the book?

I haven't heard much of any anti-fascist element in Man United fan groups. People such as Gary Neville and Alex Ferguson are known to be Labour supporters, and there's obviously a large working-class component within their fans, but I haven't seen anything especially leftist. Maybe it was back in the 1970s or 1980s.

[Tifosi]

There is a link to Celtic (both sets of fans sing YNWA), although there is no sectarianism in Liverpool as both teams come from a Methodist background.

Liverpool and Celtic have a more visual friendship in recent years, but I get the impression that more Liverpool fans swing towards Rangers.

http://celticfcminded.footballunited.com/files/2010/04/liverpool-banner.jpg


http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v312/107/123/1472119220/n1472119220_38250_4867.jpg

Like Everton were once known as Liverpools Irish team (Everton still use their own versoin of The Celtic Song), and Liverpool FC didn't field an Irish Catholic until 1981. Although there is no sectarian identity to football in Liverpool today, the majority of Liverpool fans (that care about football in Glasgow) side with Rangers.

Liverpools FC's connections with Celtic don't stretch beyond the use of YNWA and Celtic fans support for the JFT 96 campaign.

[Arm Cathartha na hÉireann]

Some older ones .


http://www.barmyflags.com/flags/20050707091300.jpg


Defiently wouldnt include Chelsea in left wing clubs, Their hooligan firm 'Headhunters' is notorious for its links with neo nazi and facist groups such as C-18, NF etc. That said no English club has particular political leanings that i can see. EDIT: Can anyone tell be what the athletic Bilbao fans are like, left or no political allignment?

[Bandito]

Also, Babelsberg 03 fans are amazing. A - ma - zing.

http://www.die-fans.de/datei/,,314678,,,,,northeast

As I hear from my German friends, couple of weeks ago, they were unsatisfied by the way their club was run and simply barricaded themselves in the club building. Four days later, the old owner resigned and the new owners are very fan-tied.

But, on the other news, the club is still in doubt about finances needed to participate in German Third league, so they mighty get relegated to a lower division.

[pastradamus]

Updated the list a little.

other mods can feel free to update the op. :d

[El Louton]

Cardiff!? Left wing? I thought they were extreme right?

[Triple A]

why the hell is FC Porto in the list of right-wing clubs? Porto is particularly a-political, at most a bit regional, but sure as hell not racist. The photo's posted are an extreme exception among Ultra Dragões and Collectivo, plus the photo is pretty old, and is absolutely not common (Unlike some ultra groups of Sporting and Guimarães, though benfica also has communist supporters.) Its definitely not like some of the outspoken bonehead ultra's of Sporting Lisbon. Same counts for Juventus, which doesnt have particular politcs alligned to it.

Benfica and Sporting supporters are pretty devided by politics, and they even use "e pluribus unum" on their banners
http://pedromelim.files.wordpress.com/2005/11/PM%20Benfica%201156.JPG

Some clubs can have conflicting ultra groups, and this is especially the case in portugal. Porto tends to be less political (regional and somewhat more conservative north), and their feud with Benfica is mostly regional.


I know Sporting has torcida 1143 wich a outspoken neo nazi group.
Porto had skinheads in th 80's mancha negra was full of them, nowadays I think they have some rightists groups amongst them wich are smaller but still alive.
I dont watch porto games to see the banners anyway.

Btw: tha is sporting team with benfica fans in the back.

[dinoantifaru]

Red Army Mostar (BiH) u forgot , very nice footbal firm . the biggest enemy firm of Red Army is UM'94 (Ultras Mostar) who support croatian fascist ideology . for greek clubs there is no antifa firms, its mix in every firm . in aek,paok , panathinaikos there are antifascists and fascists . the only firm who is only 100 % antifa in that area is Omonia (Cyprus). I also think that Dynamo Dresden (GER) is more antifa than fascist firm, and you got Ultras Inferno from France and Celtic who are antifa. for right - wing firms i think Torcida Split (HNK Hajduk, Croatia) is right-wing firm (i saw the rebels flag on their stadium many times ) , CSKA Moscow and Dynamo Kiev .

[F9]

OMONOIA is not in greece, its cypriot team:) and Ultras Inferno of Standar liege are not from France but Belgium;)

[thriller]

GREEN BAY PACKERS BABY!!!!!!!!!!

http://pregame.com/forums/sitefiles/1000/2011-Green-Bay-Packers-Super-Bowl-Odds.jpg

[The Douche]

Maybe I missed it, but why is DC United on the left-wing list? They have a group of fascist sympathizers among their ranks...(and really, just look at the team's original crest). Also, 1860 Munich has at least some visibly antifa supporters for sure...putting them on the right-wing list doesn't seem fair. Maybe an asterisk can be added when there's also a left-wing presence?

Who in DC United's supporters is fascist? I have been friendly with Barra Brava, who base themselves on south american ultras, and have a lot of latino members.

Then there is the Screaming Eagles, who borrow their name from a US military organization, but are hardly fascist.

I knew more than few DC skins who were in either organization and were die-hard SHARPs, not fond of communism (at all), but certainly not fascists.

[Tifosi]

Virtus Verona

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/110/l_176d630f01cf41848b2842d408722529.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/3/m_1579c26809844d6283a95046d96526c5.jpg

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Diablos Leipzig

http://www.bunte-kurve.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dscf8745.jpg

Pisa

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll175/AidanKerr/20092010_pisa-boca-pietri-carpi_012.jpg

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4994/playoutpimassese10lc9.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7241/pispezia022lt6.jpg

Ferroviario AC, from Brazil.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5471/fotos04zw3.jpg

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8289/fotos00iy8.jpg

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3618/fotos08zr2.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1803/fotos22ee2.jpg

S.C.Internacional, Brazil

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZMcWfNHm9dw/SRsGE4Hze3I/AAAAAAAAAA0/3lbRDADPq5A/S1600-R/ATgAAACioRL1kkmrU-rQL2KbB60HkzP0eY%20%206X8XGQPswRR6OO6U-C6fjG1A_7AYgt--WdaUei84w8NJKR9LPvAYNt_A-RAJtU9VBjM20P7tzZ5xOX_VQZwS_GnFq5jA.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZMcWfNHm9dw/SRw5oklYIvI/AAAAAAAAABA/IbqANe36Avk/S240/foice+martelo.jpg

and Universidad de Chile.

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v337/87/86/657629829/n657629829_873153_1274.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v350/87/86/657629829/n657629829_873103_5971.jpg

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v320/87/86/657629829/n657629829_767468_1511.jpg

[pastradamus]

Evidence from TIFOSI! Get on the list son!