Shouldn't Soviet nostalgia and the organizations like KPRF considered reactionary?

[L.A.P.]

To be reactionary means to want to go back to a previous state in society. So would wanting to go back to the Soviet Union be a reactionary thing? Just a thought.

[Dire Helix]

KPRF is already considered reactionary by just about everyone. So, you`re a little late to the party. And yes, wanting to restore the USSR exactly as it was is a reactionary sentiment(not to mention the impossibility of such course of action given the changed material conditions).

[daleckian]

Compared to what they have in Russia today, just why would being nostalgic for the former USSR be possibly considered reactionary? the majority of the Russian and Central Asian proletariat had much better living standards under socialism than capitalism and free market systems. why shouldn't they be nostalgic for better times? isn't that human nature to want better times?

[Rêve Rouge]

According to the literal definition of reactionary, yes it would be. But revleft's definition of reactionary is more along the lines of anything that goes against revolutionary socialism.

[Rafiq]

Yeah, they're reactionary.

Though, 1991 was also reactionary, but, then again, so was 1918....

This hurts my head.

[Robespierre Richard]

The CPRF is really weird organization, there are legit communists who do political work, there are people who run for office and are usually career politicians, and there's weirdos everywhere in-between. I'd say it's definitely revisionist and not ambitious, but not reactionary unless you're one of those people who doesn't know anything.

[Rusty Shackleford]

1991 was a counterrevolution. it was an act of reaction. sure it developed capitalism but off the gains of socialism. socialism in the soviet union, however deformed you may think it is, was more progressive than any liberal democracy in the world right now.

shit, switzerland didnt even legalize universal suffrage until 1971, nineteen seventy one.

the soviet union? immediately.

wanting to reestablish the soviet union or go back to an "era of x leader" is idiotic and impossible though. why would you want to go back to a certain time or political structure with the same flaws and benefits when you now have the hindsight to work out the flaws and strengthen the benefits? plus, its just cultish and weird to say "i <3 lenin and lenins leadership, we should all live in lenin's USSR" sure, lenin and the party during his time did great things, but the conditions of those actions dont exist anymore!

so, i wouldnt say it is reactionary to think good things about the soviet union.i mean, if no one thought good things about the paris commune, no one would have tried to seize state power. if no one thought 1917 was good, maybe 1949 and 1959 wouldnt have happened.

[Crux]

The KPRF member we had on here was just a standard nationalist, a homophobe too if memory serves.

[Rusty Shackleford]

The KPRF sucks ass.

members on its online forum have been seen with white nationalist avatars and im sure its pretty full of duginites.

[human strike]

Yes.

[pranabjyoti]

The KPRF sucks ass.

members on its online forum have been seen with white nationalist avatars and im sure its pretty full of duginites.
Who are they? Any example?

[Jalapeno Enema]

wanting to reestablish the soviet union or go back to an "era of x leader" is idiotic and impossible though. why would you want to go back to a certain time or political structure with the same flaws and benefits when you now have the hindsight to work out the flaws and strengthen the benefits?
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[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Who are they? Any example?

I posted a screenshot in this thread: http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1832419&postcount=11.

Here's a relevant article from a Russian communist: http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/sep10/material_world.html.

[Die Neue Zeit]

The CPRF is really weird organization, there are legit communists who do political work, there are people who run for office and are usually career politicians, and there's weirdos everywhere in-between. I'd say it's definitely revisionist and not ambitious, but not reactionary unless you're one of those people who doesn't know anything.

All tendencies are united in some form of illiterate nationalism (some "Trotskyite" was expelled as if there were indeed one in the KPRF :lol: ). Nonetheless, economically speaking there are Dengists, social-democrats (but without the anti-nationalist Gorbachev image), and "Anti-Revisionists." The "Duginite weirdos" are a minority.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I wouldn't consider wanting the Soviet Union back as being reactionary. That is, as long as the mistakes that were made in the previous SU was fixed or at least try to be fixed.

[Rusty Shackleford]

the CPRF is a concrete reason for the necessity of political purges.



just saying.

[Jose Gracchus]

1991 was a counterrevolution. it was an act of reaction. sure it developed capitalism but off the gains of socialism. socialism in the soviet union, however deformed you may think it is, was more progressive than any liberal democracy in the world right now.

shit, switzerland didnt even legalize universal suffrage until 1971, nineteen seventy one.

the soviet union? immediately.

This is idiotic. Of what use was suffrage under the Soviet state?

[Die Neue Zeit]

shit, switzerland didnt even legalize universal suffrage until 1971, nineteen seventy one.

the soviet union? immediately.


This is idiotic. Of what use was suffrage under the Soviet state?

Officially, the Soviet Union didn't have universal suffrage until 1936. Officially.

[Robespierre Richard]

This is idiotic. Of what use was suffrage under the Soviet state?

About the same as under the Swiss state.

[pranabjyoti]

I wouldn't consider wanting the Soviet Union back as being reactionary. That is, as long as the mistakes that were made in the previous SU was fixed or at least try to be fixed.
Actually most the "mistakes" are result of lack of awareness in the rest of the world. Most of the poor people and workers in third world countries just stared as USSR was under attack from imperialism and those who are a little more aware can not anything more than crossing their fingers and wishing. If you think closely, you can see that all the "mistakes" were result of that scenario of that time. Later, more aware world protest put sufficient pressure on US imperialism to withdraw its forces from Vietnam.

[Jose Gracchus]

About the same as under the Swiss state.

Are you saying it has never been of any value to be able to politically publicly agitate around government abuses, repressions, and the like? Gee, I wonder why I do any political work of any kind, because apparently it is retarded.

[Robespierre Richard]

Are you saying it has never been of any value to be able to politically publicly agitate around government abuses, repressions, and the like? Gee, I wonder why I do any political work of any kind, because apparently it is retarded.

Sure, you will never achieve communism through the ballot box, as you appear to want to do, I think almost everyone knows this.

[dernier combat]

Are you saying it has never been of any value to be able to politically publicly agitate around government abuses, repressions, and the like? Gee, I wonder why I do any political work of any kind, because apparently it is retarded.
Suffrage refers to the right to vote, not to the right of free speech.