George Galloway on the intervention of Libya by zionists states

[MarxistMan]

Hello all, watch this great interview by George Galloway on the intervention of Libya by France, UK and US. Mr. Galloway, is always getting it right and open to the public with no cosmetics. Maybe it’s time for the Capitalism system to go away and the universe finds some other methods of monetary system. The Capitalism corporation has sucked the worlds resources, manipulated and forged the truth.




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[Sasha]

what makes this states exactly zionist? i think the established word you are looking for is "imperialist"....

[Dimentio]

I begin to cringe as soon as I hear anyone rally against "The Zionists", even in matters which have little or no connection to Israel.

Like, "the Zionist elite wants to impose free trade on Brazil", or "The Zionist elite are putting up a surveillance state to check British muslims".

That is badly concealed antisemitism.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Of course, Galloway did not use the term 'Zionist'.

[Dimentio]

No, but MarxistMan did

[Sasha]

Yes, but marxistman also believes in "the zionist bankers", he should come out and defend that claim already...

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

only just noticed the thread title... the video itself is worth watching though - perhaps the thread title should be changed.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

I'll second that.

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Psycho:


Yes, but marxistman also believes in "the zionist bankers", he should come out and defend that claim already...

I realise that, I just didn't want anyone put off the video by the thread title.

[MarxistMan]

Damn are you people pro-zionism or something? What's with this crazy reaction when somebody mentions the word "zionism". This reaction is the same reaction that Republican Party supporters feel when somebody talks about socialism.

And I am right, UK, USA and Europe are zionist killer states !!

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what makes this states exactly zionist? i think the established word you are looking for is "imperialist"....

[Robespierre Richard]

Damn are you people pro-zionism or something? What's with this crazy reaction when somebody mentions the word "zionism". This reaction is the same reaction that Republican Party supporters feel when somebody talks about socialism.

And I am right, UK, USA and Europe are zionist killer states !!

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What the hell is wrong with you?

Okay, no, they are not. Zionism is a political movement prevalent in Israel. Imperialist states are allied to this political movement because it helps them acquire more influence in the Middle East region. However, critics of imperialism and by extension Zionism are often conflated with "critics of Zionism" who very often are just anti-Semites and see Zionism as the motivator for imperialism. This de-legitimizes anti-imperialists because they are conflated with anti-Semites.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Damn are you people pro-zionism or something? What's with this crazy reaction when somebody mentions the word "zionism". This reaction is the same reaction that Republican Party supporters feel when somebody talks about socialism.

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I'm going to post my response in ur other thread:


It depends on the context. Rational, thoughtful criticism of Zionism and Israeli policy isn't racist, but an irrational belief in an all-powerful global Zionist conspiracy is racist. Like, if I said "Zionists are wrong to think you can take land from Palestinian sovereign territory for settlements," that would be rational and more than fair criticism of Zionism. Anyone who says that is racist is wrong. But if you said "September 11th was engineered by Zionist conspirators," that does imply racism.






And I am right, UK, USA and Europe are zionist killer states !!No, you are wrong, they are not Zionist states. Israel is a Zionist state. Europe also isn't a state to begin with. It's not you criticizing Zionism that's bad, it's you taking every single thing you don't like and blaming it on Zionists. To imply that "Zionism" is the driving force behind world Imperialism is what is bad.

Not only does it cheapen the conflicts caused by Imperialism, but it cheapens the suffering of actual victims of zionism by over-using the accusation against anything you don't like.

[Sasha]

Damn are you people pro-zionism or something? What's with this crazy reaction when somebody mentions the word "zionism". This reaction is the same reaction that Republican Party supporters feel when somebody talks about socialism.

And I am right, UK, USA and Europe are zionist killer states !!

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ugh, not everything you dont like is "zionist" thats even more stupid than calling everybody fascist.
FYI zionism as an idea took hold because of the systematic anti-semitism in Europe and the US.
now STFU because you are making us actual anti-zionists look bad.

[MarxistMan]

what the hell is wrong with you I ask? why do you think that the world is like a University where the teacher will judge you.

You are the one that is wrong by being so academic, so politically correct.

And you are very wrong in saying that critics of Israel are nazis. Damn what the fuck is going on in the brain of people.

So now Hugo Chavez is a nazi, James Petras is a nazi, Noam Chomsky is a nazi, George Galloway is a nazi, Hezbollah and Hamas are nazis, Palestine leftists are nazis,

what the fuck

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What the hell is wrong with you?

Okay, no, they are not. Zionism is a political movement prevalent in Israel. Imperialist states are allied to this political movement because it helps them acquire more influence in the Middle East region. However, critics of imperialism and by extension Zionism are often conflated with "critics of Zionism" who very often are just anti-Semites. This de-legitimizes anti-imperialists because they are conflated with anti-Semites.

[MarxistMan]

With this excess of perfectionism and moralism, what perfectionist orthodox leftists who are scared of being labeled nazis won't have the necessary will power to reject zionism and the Israel killer state. The world is not a books folks.

The world is a vampire !!

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[Vanguard1917]

Using the populist rhetoric of British nationalism to oppose imperialist intervention is not something we should be applauding or letting slide. Not when George Galloway does it, nor when Nick Griffin does it (see the latter's statement on the BNP website (http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/attack-libya-%E2%80%93-nick-griffin-slams-puppet-cameron), very close in content to those of Galloway).

If your criterium for opposing Western intervention is whether or not "it's in the national interests of the British taxpayer", your so-called anti-imperialist stance is extremely feeble, petty, and has nothing to with solidarity with the oppressed. And knowing what we know of imperialism, such criteria would actually necessitate a pro-imperialist evaluation of imperialism's history.

[jbaez]

The world is a vampire !!

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I could picture Charlie Sheen saying this on ABC.

Nevertheless, really good video.

[brigadista]

Damn are you people pro-zionism or something? What's with this crazy reaction when somebody mentions the word "zionism". This reaction is the same reaction that Republican Party supporters feel when somebody talks about socialism.

And I am right, UK, USA and Europe are zionist killer states !!

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don't be silly

[A Revolutionary Tool]

With this excess of perfectionism and moralism, what perfectionist orthodox leftists who are scared of being labeled nazis won't have the necessary will power to reject zionism and the Israel killer state. The world is not a books folks.

The world is a vampire !!

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A Zionist vampire right?

[Nolan]

The Libyan intervention has nothing to do with Zionism.

[bricolage]

hmmm...

‘So would you say there are any circumstances that would justify any military intervention or there should be no military intervention anywhere?’
‘No I’m not a pacifist, if our interests are threatened I’ll be the first at the recruiting office to defend our country and our justifiable interests but they’re not in this case...'

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

The focus on national and not class interests near the end of the video of course belies Galloway's non-revolutionary character. He is, after all, a Democratic Socialist. However, his point regarding the Arab League is a particularly good one, that we'd do well to remember.

[Honggweilo]

I could picture Charlie Sheen saying this on ABC.

Nevertheless, really good video.

has sheen become a maoist now too?

"im on a drug called MLM, its has the power of the people and its drinks paper tiger blood" :D

[The Idler]

what the hell is wrong with you I ask? why do you think that the world is like a University where the teacher will judge you.

You are the one that is wrong by being so academic, so politically correct.

And you are very wrong in saying that critics of Israel are nazis. Damn what the fuck is going on in the brain of people.

So now Hugo Chavez is a nazi, James Petras is a nazi, Noam Chomsky is a nazi, George Galloway is a nazi, Hezbollah and Hamas are nazis, Palestine leftists are nazis,

what the fuck

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MarxistMan's version of the deductive fallacy
All Nazis were Anti-Zionists.
Therefore Shiva is accusing all Anti-Zionists of being Nazis.

In fact MarxistMan is committing the deductive fallacy.
All Zionist interventions are a type of Imperialism.
Therefore all Imperialist interventions are a type of Zionism.

What worries me is if MarxistMan understands the deductive fallacy, then anti-semitism would be the obvious explanation for this deliberate misunderstanding.

[IndependentCitizen]

Many far-right groups called everyone Zionists, because they fundamentally believe everyone in power is a Jew. It's already been said, these states that are intervening are imperialists, they're not trying to create another Jewish nationalist state.

There's something about Galloway, he gets on my nerves a lot of the time, but at least he's got a large profile to use for granted and get the truth out there!