Watch this video of Ralph Nader calling for an impeachment of President Obama

[MarxistMan]

Ralph Nader calls for an impeachment of President Obama



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[Robespierre Richard]

lol

this isn't bob barker

Seriously though who cares? Nader isn't a very important figure and his most recent book is called "Only The Super-Rich Can Save Us"

Do you think Ralph Nader is a relevant left figure or is he "kind of an asshole" who made us all wear seatbelts?
Do you think he's responsible for Bush winning?
Would impeaching Obama help our cause or would it just cause instability where more Republicans get in through "the power vacuum"?
Who is Ralph Nader's "sustainable alternative" candidate for Obama?

[Agent Ducky]

I don't think impeaching Obama would help our cause. It's a 2-party system that's hard to break and a loss for democrats (liek impeachment of obama) is a victory for republicans. Which doesn't help anyone.

I don't understand why i'm getting - reputation for this. I'm just saying IMPEACHING OBAMA WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING. The only people whose "cause" it would help is the Republicans. Honestly "not another liberal"? Wtf??? You completely missed my point >.<

[NGNM85]

I don't think impeaching Obama would help our cause. It's a 2-party system that's hard to break and a loss for democrats (liek impeachment of obama) is a victory for republicans.

Exactly.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Having Biden as the president = wut
(a short presidency, but still: wut)

[Lucretia]

Exactly.

Yes, we all know that you support Obama because he is supposedly a lesser evil than the Republicans are. Functionally a democrat, theoretically an anarchist, you may one day realize that ideas are worthless unless actually put into practice.

In the meantime, I suppose we'll all just have to suffer under a lawless government because enforcing the law (by prosecuting law-breaking presidents) shows that we're all just too politically naive to understand that wanting to prosecute lawbreakers will in fact encourage more lawbreaking.

[Amphictyonis]

I don't think impeaching Obama would help our cause. It's a 2-party system that's hard to break and a loss for democrats (like impeachment of obama) is a victory for republicans.
Exactly.

We're going to whip you into shape one way or another. Impeachment of Obama would make no difference because it makes no difference who's in office. Impeach Bush? Impeach Obama? Don't you get it yet? STOP BUYING INTO THE FACADE OF DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA. Does all caps work? Nothing has changed since Bush was in office- the whole reason Nader is talking impeachment.I'm not calling for the impeachment of Obama because I'm aware it would make fuck all of a difference, maybe it would send a messege from the left but in the end you need to drop this whole 'republican victory' thing. "The democrat party is the graveyard of social movements".


That quote is from this silly 'documentary'

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Lifting the Veil: Obama and the Failure of Capitalist Democracy

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is he "kind of an asshole" who made us all wear seatbelts?

seatbelts save lives

[Rakhmetov]

Impeaching Obama will help people see through the lies of the liberal elite. Nader, although no socialist, is farther to the left of Obama. Although he does not go far enough, Nader has some good ideas. :rolleyes:

[gorillafuck]

seatbelts save livesWhy do you hate freedom?

anyway, Nader sucks. He's basically slightly less left than Cynthia Mckinney, and I don't understand why radicals would care about unpopular center-left figures like either of them.

[Agent Ducky]

Obviously there's not going to ever be a huge difference in who gets elected considering that only centrists ever get elected.

But impeaching Obama would be pointless. All this stuff people are saying about "sending a message"... I don't think people would get the message. And I don't think impeachment is even feasible. We couldn't get Bush impeached... How can we expect this to be any different?

[The Douche]

Today Nader talked way longer than he was supposed to at the rally, which led to other, more interesting (and radical) speakers being removed from the bill.

It was really important for him to tell us how we need rich people's money in order to stop imperialism though...

[MarxistMan]

Even though Ralph Nader is a social-democrat progressive liberal, and not a socialist, the USA left should be more open minded with people like Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, Sean Penn and other social-democrat progressive liberals celebrities and thinkers

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Today Nader talked way longer than he was supposed to at the rally, which led to other, more interesting (and radical) speakers being removed from the bill.

It was really important for him to tell us how we need rich people's money in order to stop imperialism though...

[The Douche]

Even though Ralph Nader is a social-democrat progressive liberal, and not a socialist, the USA left should move open minded with people like Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, Sean Penn and other social-democrat progressive liberals celebrities and thinkers

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Why?

[NGNM85]

Obviously there's not going to ever be a huge difference in who gets elected considering that only centrists ever get elected.

But impeaching Obama would be pointless. All this stuff people are saying about "sending a message"... I don't think people would get the message. And I don't think impeachment is even feasible. We couldn't get Bush impeached... How can we expect this to be any different?

All good points, although, I would point out, based on historical data, it seems the prerequisites for impeachment are somewhat lower for Democrats. That isn't to say I think it's a good idea, I don't, merely an observation.

[NGNM85]

We're going to whip you into shape one way or another. Impeachment of Obama would make no difference

Oh, I think it would have a number of repercussions, although I think they would all be bad.


because it makes no difference who's in office.

This is true in the sense that the difference tends to be very small, however, it does exist. To seriously claim otherwise is to deny reality.


Impeach Bush?

This isn’t even possible.


Impeach Obama?

Extremely unlikely, and inadvisable.


Don't you get it yet? STOP BUYING INTO THE FACADE OF DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA.

I’m not buying into any façade.

America is not a Democracy, but America does have Democracy. (There has never been such an entity as a ‘pure’ democracy.) I don’t deny (I never have.) that there is a serious Democratic deficit in the United States. I’m very concerned about it. However, unlike a number of police states, there actually are some institutional methods (As well as a number of other methods.) which can be used to hold the state accountable, or at least to push it in one direction or another. I think we should use that. I think, if we’re serious, and consistent in our ethics, (This is predicated on the assumption of common objectives.) we have to.


Does all caps work?

You can write it in Babylonian for all I care. The problem is that this assertion is factually incorrect.


Nothing has changed since Bush was in office-

This statement seems to be a paradox.


the whole reason Nader is talking impeachment.I'm not calling for the impeachment of Obama because I'm aware it would make fuck all of a difference,

Oh, we should be certain it would make a difference. However, from any remotely Left-wing perspectives, it’s likely the results would all be undesirable.



maybe it would send a messege from the left but in the end you need to drop this whole 'republican victory' thing. "The democrat party is the graveyard of social movements".

I would say that will be true only if we allow it to become so. I strongly advise against that.


That quote is from this silly 'documentary'

Lifting the Veil: Obama and the Failure of Capitalist Democracy

I actually subjected myself to most of this. My overall impression was that it was preachy and boring, however I liked the song played over the credits. I haven’t conducted an extensive exploration of Billy Bragg’s catalogue, but that’s my favorite song of his. I won’t corrupt this thread with a point-by-point critique. Some of it was very sound, if a bit banal, some of it was crap.

[Amphictyonis]

I represent the Achilles heel of the socialist left


Yes I agree. :cursing: Not much else to say about that right now. Don't take this as me conceding your silly points I just don't have the energey to give a darn about that pseudo intellectual chum at the moment :) I wonder what it woud take though, what it WILL take to change your silly ways. It's not necessarily YOU I give a shit about but there are people like you abound. For me (the reason I pick on you) you represent all these people here on RevLeft. The embodiment of worn out useless positions (usually held by petty bourgeois middle class liberals/progressives). I'm going to keep on goading you (in a rather snarky fashion) so it is what it is :) Don't take my poking at you too seriously. There are worse people in the world than you- again I simply see people who put ANY faith in democrats as a liability. We need to set our standards a tad higher than that. Our eggs need to stop being wasted in that basket. You'll come around. I have faith. If you can't then the other millions who think like you probably wont. I can't accept that.

[RadioRaheem84]

This is true in the sense that the difference tends to be very small, however, it does exist. To seriously claim otherwise is to deny reality.


Whatever small difference there was died with Carter and was buried with Clinton.

Nothing has really changed since Obama took office.

[Agent Ducky]

>.< why am I having reputation taken away? I'm still trying to learn O_O. Whoever negative reputation-ed me completely missed my point. >:(

[Amphictyonis]

>.< why am I having reputation taken away? I'm still trying to learn O_O

Sorry. I'll add it back as soon as I can. I thought you were an acolyte of the NGNM85 poster :) I'm just all fed up with him and the couple other liberls who post here. My frustration gets the better of me when it comes to liberals. Again, sorry.

[Agent Ducky]

Ok, thanks. Sorry I kinda raged a little. ^_^ I'm still trying to find my place here so yeah a few times it might look like I'm a follower of certain people O_o.

[CAleftist]

People like Nader, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc. are barely center-left, and they have no power in the thoroughly right-wing system of politics in America, other than making some petty-bourgeoisie liberal or "progressive" feel good about themselves for voting "Green." :rolleyes:

[MarxistMan]

My friend, be free like anarchists. You are free to do and say what ever you want in this world. Do not behave according to the approval of others, and waiting for others to judge you, not even the members in this forum. You have total freedom in this world to be good, to be evil or to be an ultra-right winger nazi if you like.

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>.< why am I having reputation taken away? I'm still trying to learn O_O. Whoever negative reputation-ed me completely missed my point. >:(

[Catmatic Leftist]

My friend, be free like anarchists. You are free to do and say what ever you want in this world. Do not behave according to the approval of others, and waiting for others to judge you, not even the members in this forum. You have total freedom in this world to be good, to be evil or to be an ultra-right winger nazi if you like.

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Wut

[Agent Ducky]

I think he's trying to tell me to not care what people think and do about mai reputation? Well, I'll take that into consideration, but I try to be nais to everyone ^_^
Especially since I'm here to learn and I'm new here, i don't want to make any enemies.