View Full Version : Is this scenario sexist objectification?
MarxSchmarx
17th March 2011, 09:13
Suppose I asked a CEO of a major company whether he will hook up and sleep with me at a shady motel. Let's say (for reason's I can't fathom) he refused. Then if I responded by saying, well, I'll give you 10 billion USD, will you sleep with me then? Oh, and let's say I offered to provide his factory with widget supplies for a year and will set up his factory in China gratis for the one night. Now, I am expecting this hypothetical CEO to probably say something like "OK, but don't tell my wife."
Now I respond that, "good, now that we've agreed you are a gigolo, let's discuss the price." Discuss why this is or is not an acceptable form of objectification.
Amphictyonis
17th March 2011, 09:30
If Bud had lived in an Amizonian woman's culture where for hundreds of years men had been subjugated under the woman's bow and sword then yes :)
Lets use African Americans and racism as an example. If by some strange twist in history Africans came to America on a free and equal basis and enjoyed free and equal status in society for hundreds of years an isolated white person disliking a black person based on skin color would have less severe societal consequences for the black person and black community in general.
With women traditionally and in many cases to this day our access to the means of production has been limited or unequal so all too often, historically, the choice has been wife or using sexuality in some way to provide materially. This is why objectification between gay men and lesbian women is different. Men can still be objectified by other men but it would be impossible for mens access to the means of production and society itself to be set up hierarchically amongst men based on gender. Objectification takes on different meanings when there are no societal consequences. Women are trying to crawl out from under centuries of dealing with a lesser than role in society based on gender so if a man objectifies a man or a woman objectifies a man it has less of a societal impact just as when a black person calls a white person a honkie the white person usually doesn't get offended.
My new avatar is quite fitting for this thread :)
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