I have a few questions...

[Isolationist]

What does revleft think about Americas support for Israel?

What does revleft think about the Stock Market?

What does revleft think about immigration? Such as Mexicans comming to America in USA legally an illegally, and non-europeans going to Europe?



In case your wondering what my political ideological beliefs are... i don't know what i would be... I would probally just say i'm independent. I support some very left wing ideologies, as well as some very right wing ideologies.

I am highly against the "all men are created equal" belief, although i belive all men (and women) should treat and respect each other equally, reguardless of their race, sex, or religion.

I'm HIGHLY against the stock market, i think its ridiculous a wealthy investor could work 10 minutes a day playing in the stock market and make over 10X as much money as a hardworking blue collar worker.

This might shock some of you..

I'm against multiculturalism and immigration. I understand many of you will probally call me racist or fascist or whatever. But to be honest with you i dont hate any other people and i dont like nazis... I just don't belive in people of different ethnicities living in the same community together. Imo it makes no sense to me... For hundreds of thousands of years people have lived in communities with only one ethnicity, I belive that is a core part of a society.

I'm not religious but I can understand how people want to live with others that are of their religion. Israel is a perfect example of this. Jews have been attacked and discriminated against for many years, so they want to live in a society where the only other people around them are other Jews.

Please correct me if i'm wrong...
I belive some leftists are against multiculturalism?
I was told by an old old Russian man who was in the Communist Party, that the Soviet Union tried to make a town for only Gypsies, in addition to this the Soviet Union tried to seperate ehnic Russians and kazacks, so they wouldn't live together.


I'm not trying to attack leftism, so don't get me wrong... I'm just trying to understand what ideology I would fall under, and understand revlefts opinion on certain topics.

[PhoenixAsh]

What does revleft think about Americas support for Israel?

counter productive and abject



What does revleft think about the Stock Market?


legalised gambling with peoples lives for enjoyment by the wealthy


non-europeans going to Europe?

I think it sucks for them that they live in a country with such low standards that our standards are considered to be an improvement. Secondly immigration is exploited as a divisory strategy to workers unity by using it to attack job and wage security in the current economic model.






In case your wondering what my political ideological beliefs are... i don't know what i would be... I would probally just say i'm independent. I support some very left wing ideologies, as well as some very right wing ideologies.



Depending on which ideologies....that can vary from social democrat to national-socialist.....which I think you qualify for given the rest of your post.

You may not like nazi's but you defininately sound like one.




I am highly against the "all men are created equal" belief, although i belive all men (and women) should treat and respect each other equally, reguardless of their race, sex, or religion.

I'm HIGHLY against the stock market, i think its ridiculous a wealthy investor could work 10 minutes a day playing in the stock market and make over 10X as much money as a hardworking blue collar worker.

This might shock some of you..

I'm against multiculturalism and immigration. I understand many of you will probally call me racist or fascist or whatever. But to be honest with you i dont hate any other people and i dont like nazis... I just don't belive in people of different ethnicities living in the same community together. Imo it makes no sense to me... For hundreds of thousands of years people have lived in communities with only one ethnicity, I belive that is a core part of a society.

I'm not religious but I can understand how people want to live with others that are of their religion. Israel is a perfect example of this. Jews have been attacked and discriminated against for many years, so they want to live in a society where the only other people around them are other Jews.

Please correct me if i'm wrong...
I belive some leftists are against multiculturalism?
I was told by an old old Russian man who was in the Communist Party, that the Soviet Union tried to make a town for only Gypsies, in addition to this the Soviet Union tried to seperate ehnic Russians and kazacks, so they wouldn't live together.


I'm not trying to attack leftism, so don't get me wrong... I'm just trying to understand what ideology I would fall under, and understand revlefts opinion on certain topics.

[#FF0000]

What does revleft think about Americas support for Israel?

We're critical of Israel, so of course we're critical of this.


What does revleft think about the Stock Market?


Well, we're anti-capitalist, so...


What does revleft think about immigration? Such as Mexicans comming to America in USA legally an illegally, and non-europeans going to Europe?


I support the right of people to move to wherever they wanna go. People who live in Europe and America don't own it, and really don't have the right to say "Only people I like can come here".



In case your wondering what my political ideological beliefs are... i don't know what i would be... I would probally just say i'm independent. I support some very left wing ideologies, as well as some very right wing ideologies.

lol oh boy here we go.


I am highly against the "all men are created equal" belief

Why?


I'm against multiculturalism and immigration. I understand many of you will probally call me racist or fascist or whatever.But to be honest with you i dont hate any other people and i dont like nazis... I just don't belive in people of different ethnicities living in the same community together. Imo it makes no sense to me...

Welp, that makes you racist, sorry.


For hundreds of thousands of years people have lived in communities with only one ethnicity, I belive that is a core part of a society.

This is, uh, completely untrue. For example, do you think the French were always the french? Have you heard of the Gauls? The Franks? The Moors? Maybe an obscure little group called The Roman Empire?

Multiculturalism has existed as long as culture's existed.

But please, I invite you to name one place where there has been one, single ethnic group and culture.


I'm not religious but I can understand how people want to live with others that are of their religion. Israel is a perfect example of this. Jews have been attacked and discriminated against for many years, so they want to live in a society where the only other people around them are other Jews.


I understand the reasoning, but I disagree with it. The idea of an "ethnic homeland" just reinforces ethnic chauvinism, imo.

Not to mention that, regardless of why Israel was created, the people who actually had homes there have suffered immensely as a result.


Please correct me if i'm wrong...
I belive some leftists are against multiculturalism?
I was told by an old old Russian man who was in the Communist Party, that the Soviet Union tried to make a town for only Gypsies, in addition to this the Soviet Union tried to seperate ehnic Russians and kazacks, so they wouldn't live together.

No, you're wrong. These set-ups were meant to give certain groups that had historically been on the receiving end of cultural and ethnic chauvinism some kind of autonomy. I disagree with it, but it was done with a different goal in mind.

Leftists are internationalists and oppose cultural, ethnic, racial, gender, and national divisions.

[Isolationist]

Why do I not belive in all men are created equal? Well a tall man can reach the top of a shelf easier than a short man, therefore both of the men are not created equal one is more capable than the other. In addition to this, why do people from different countries have different collective iqs? If we were all created equal we would all have the same iq. Why is my friend really good at math when im bad at math but im better then him at history and science?

[Isolationist]

and yes I support isreals right to exist, but not when they force the Arabs to leave their land, also isreal is a supremist state which I'm against.

[dernier combat]

Why do I not belive in all men are created equal? Well a tall man can reach the top of a shelf easier than a short man, therefore both of the men are not created equal one is more capable than the other.
But isn't the short man more capable of reaching for lower items? Besides, how are these differences (I understand they are as an example, of course, but they probably represent your ideas of varying capabilities of different ethnicities) enough to somehow legitimatise discrimination and repression?


In addition to this, why do people from different countries have different collective iqs?
That can be explained by a multitude of macro- and micro-economic factors - particularly relating to the education system of the nation-state in question.


If we were all created equal we would all have the same iq. Why is my friend really good at math when im bad at math but im better then him at history and science?
Genes don't have as much relation to intelligence as is commonly thought (with the notable exception of mental illnesses (among other things) e.g. those that cause mental retardation). One of the most commonly accepted views is that your genes give you a predisposition for certain traits related to intelligence, rather than determining these traits. Other factors (which I really can't be bothered going in to) have much more influence in the matter and as such are mostly responsible for actually determining your intelligence.

[RGacky3]

Why do I not belive in all men are created equal? Well a tall man can reach the top of a shelf easier than a short man, therefore both of the men are not created equal one is more capable than the other. In addition to this, why do people from different countries have different collective iqs? If we were all created equal we would all have the same iq. Why is my friend really good at math when im bad at math but im better then him at history and science?


All men created equal means all men created with equal rights, not physcally equal.

[R_P_A_S]

at the end of the day we are 2 types of people.. the elite... the 2% of the world who own all the wealth and the bottom 98% who are either working class, slaves or disenfranchised.

Why bother with pity imaginary lines drawn on maps and colors of flags when 98% of us HUMAN BEINGS can march under one banner?

WORKING CLASS!

:P

[RGacky3]

nowerdays its not even 2%, its more like 0.5% and thats generous. Back in Marxes day he was saying 1/10th of the population, 1/10th nowerdays is close to communism.

[Isolationist]

I completely agree with you. The wealthy have way to much power. But another thing you all seem to forget about is what groups of people created the world and made it what it is today? The europeans have invented over 90% of modern technology I understand there are many other groups of people that have made many contributions to society, but overall you must admit if the Europeans didn't exist the world wouldn't be where it is today. Also with the amount of immigration going into European dominated countries, the global population of Europeans will diminish because Europeans have a very low birthrate, while the foreigners have a very high birthrate. Before you respond to this post, just think..... what would life be like without any Europeans here? The people who invented the car, mass production, the computer steam engine the airplane ect ect.

[Revolution starts with U]

restriction inc.

Where would Guttenburg have been without the chinese? How would the cannon have been developed without gunpowder? Would the steam engine still have been developed if Newton didn't have access to the complex algebras saved by the arab culture (which was totally lost to the europeans) and ergo created calculus? Are slavs european?
Europeans also created racial slavery. We should bring that back, eh? It's one of europe's grand achievements.

[RGacky3]

The europeans have invented over 90% of modern technology I understand there are many other groups of people that have made many contributions to society, but overall you must admit if the Europeans didn't exist the world wouldn't be where it is today.

Who knows, it might be a whole lot better.


Also with the amount of immigration going into European dominated countries, the global population of Europeans will diminish because Europeans have a very low birthrate, while the foreigners have a very high birthrate. Before you respond to this post, just think..... what would life be like without any Europeans here? The people who invented the car, mass production, the computer steam engine the airplane ect ect.

Before I respond to this post ...... Well, I waited, and basically was confirmed, your kind of a racist.

Europeans are not special, if you look at history and the material conditions (as much as I hate how that term is bastardized by marxist-leninists), you'll see what lead to development, in europe, China, and the middle east.

But your sort of racial thinking is really more suited for stormfront.

[L.A.P.]

Please excuse me, because I'm a little high right now while trying to respond to this post.


What does revleft think about Americas support for Israel?

Most of us do not agree with actions the State of Israel's actions against the Palestinian people. And don't support the United States exploiting countries like the Palestinian region. Oh, and don't like capitalist states supporting other capitalist states.


What does revleft think about the Stock Market?

We don't like the nature of the stock market furthering capital.


What does revleft think about immigration? Such as Mexicans comming to America in USA legally an illegally, and non-europeans going to Europe?

We believe in an internationalist working class struggle against capital.


QUOTE]In case your wondering what my political ideological beliefs are... i don't know what i would be... I would probally just say i'm independent. I support some very left wing ideologies, as well as some very right wing ideologies[/QUOTE]

YAY!!!!:w00t: Cool centrist guy to the rescue!


I am highly against the "all men are created equal" belief,

Equal in what way? In order for there to be an equal value in men, there has to be some set value on men. And in order to have some value measurement, there has to be one central thing that there is to value about men, one specific thing. But there is no specific value of men, because a specific value of life means there would be an objective meaning in life. This can not hold true because there isn't an objective meaning in life, so there can't be a specific value in which to measure men to. Therefore the statement "all men are created equal", is a nonsense statement. So why ask a mass opinion of a nonsensical statement?


although i belive all men (and women) should treat and respect each other equally, reguardless of their race, sex, or religion.

:huh:.You're starting to kind of sound like a Neo-Fascist when they try to justify their shit of an ideology. It worries me.:unsure:


I'm HIGHLY against the stock market, i think its ridiculous a wealthy investor could work 10 minutes a day playing in the stock market and make over 10X as much money as a hardworking blue collar worker.

Now you're starting to sound like a Classical Fascist when they're trying to pretend their ideology is anti-capitalist. I'm starting to not like the path you're taking.


This might shock some of you..

Oh boy.:glare:


I'm against multiculturalism and immigration.

*and...facepalmed*


I understand many of you will probally call me racist or fascist or whatever.

Well no shit.


But to be honest with you i dont hate any other people and i dont like nazis... I just don't belive in people of different ethnicities living in the same community together.

Of course you don't, you're supposed to be the nice fascists, the good fascists. Am I right?


Imo it makes no sense to me...

Right, it's just your opinion so no harm done.:rolleyes:



For hundreds of thousands of years people have lived in communities with only one ethnicity,

So what?



I belive that is a core part of a society.

One thing we know about human nature, nothing is a core part of it. Humans are by nature, adapt to whatever their social environment is.



I'm not religious but I can understand how people want to live with others that are of their religion. Israel is a perfect example of this.[/QUOTE]

A Zionist Fascist?



Jews have been attacked and discriminated against for many years, so they want to live in a society where the only other people around them are other Jews.

Are you Neo-Fascists trying to make up for the horrible things Classical Fascists did to Jewish people or something? Also, don't assume all Jewish and Israeli people share the same views as racists like you and want to have racial purity.


Please correct me if i'm wrong...

Oh don't worry, I will.


I belive some leftists are against multiculturalism?

Ehhh, wrong.



I was told by an old old Russian man who was in the Communist Party,

Obviously this one man seemed to be proof enough.:rolleyes:


that the Soviet Union tried to make a town for only Gypsies, in addition to this the Soviet Union tried to seperate ehnic Russians and kazacks, so they wouldn't live together.

First of all, since when did a defunct failed state represent the views of individual people who adhere to a common ideology? Second of all, you sound like a Neo-Fascist when they say to a Communist "You know, you and I aren't so different".



I'm not trying to attack leftism, so don't get me wrong... I'm just trying to understand what ideology I would fall under, and understand revlefts opinion on certain topics.

Obviously a fascist troll.:thumbdown:

[#FF0000]

Before you respond to this post, just think..... what would life be like without any Europeans here?

who cares

it's not like all innovation will suddenly grind to a halt now that people are multi-ethnic or because demographics change over time.

btw you should go to a local community college or something and take some history courses if you can because your entire way of thinking about how the world used to be and how things happened as they happened is pretty silly.

[Revolution starts with U]

I know. There is no period in history that ethnicities didnt inter-mingle. Perhaps pre-european aborignes. But other than that, human history is an array of cultures mixing.

Your thinking no chinese mixed with rome... correct. But chinese mixed with mongols who mixed with huns who mixed with germans who mixed with gauls who mixed with Rome.
12 degrees to Julius Ceaser.... shit, 6 degrees to Ghengis Khan.

[#FF0000]

Why do I not belive in all men are created equal? Well a tall man can reach the top of a shelf easier than a short man, therefore both of the men are not created equal one is more capable than the other.

"All people are created equal" doesn't mean "they are the same size and have the same talents", guy. It means they're the same in their humanity and no one is intrinsically less of a person than another.


In addition to this, why do people from different countries have different collective iqs? If we were all created equal we would all have the same iq. That's not what it means.

Also IQ tests are notoriously culturally biased and are kinda worthless.


Why is my friend really good at math when im bad at math but im better then him at history and science?Because people are different. That doesn't have anything to do with equality.



Your thinking no chinese mixed with rome... correct. But chinese mixed with mongols who mixed with huns who mixed with germans who mixed with gauls who mixed with Rome.
12 degrees to Julius Ceaser.... shit, 6 degrees to Ghengis Khan.

It's not as if the Chinese are one homogeneous group either. There are tons and tons and tons of ethnicities that make up "Chinese".

[Rafiq]

Please correct me if i'm wrong...
I belive some leftists are against multiculturalism?
I was told by an old old Russian man who was in the Communist Party, that the Soviet Union tried to make a town for only Gypsies, in addition to this the Soviet Union tried to seperate ehnic Russians and kazacks, so they wouldn't live together.


.


You're wrong. No leftists are against multiculturalism.

Secondly, that's not a communist party, that's a Nazbol party.

[Ocean Seal]

What does revleft think about Americas support for Israel?

Personally, I'm against all forms of imperialism, including that military base that America calls Israel.



What does revleft think about the Stock Market?

Its a method to consolidate the interests of those who oppress the working class.



What does revleft think about immigration? Such as Mexicans comming to America in USA legally an illegally, and non-europeans going to Europe?


Immigration happens because imperialism has sacked the majority of the world. And I support immigration because many times people are trying to improve the possibilities for their family and the reason that they come illegally is because they cannot come legally. I support their struggle and they are among the most discriminated of all people.



I'm against multiculturalism and immigration. I understand many of you will probally call me racist or fascist or whatever. But to be honest with you i dont hate any other people and i dont like nazis... I just don't belive in people of different ethnicities living in the same community together. Imo it makes no sense to me... For hundreds of thousands of years people have lived in communities with only one ethnicity, I belive that is a core part of a society.

Common thing that racists say. I'm not a racist, but I don't like it when people of different ethnicities live near me. What makes no sense to you? That people of different ethnicities aren't actually very different, and can live together without prejudice.

Tell me why I shouldn't live next door to a White, Asian, or Black person?
I have more in common with them than I do wealthy Hispanics. In fact, although race makes my experiences different, it shouldn't be that way. In fact its only that way because of socially constructed racism.



I'm not religious but I can understand how people want to live with others that are of their religion. Israel is a perfect example of this. Jews have been attacked and discriminated against for many years, so they want to live in a society where the only other people around them are other Jews.

And that gives them the right to kill about 1.5 million Palestinians? Hey lets all move somewhere where the majority of the people are a different religion and lets kill them for not being the same religion. After all they were discriminated as you say, so that gives them the right to do the same.



Please correct me if i'm wrong...
I belive some leftists are against multiculturalism?

If you're against multiculturalism you're not a leftist.

[Isolationist]

And that gives them the right to kill about 1.5 million Palestinians? Hey lets all move somewhere where the majority of the people are a different religion and lets kill them for not being the same religion. After all they were discriminated as you say, so that gives them the right to do the same.

I made a post earlier saying I was against Israel because it's a supremacist state.

[Isolationist]

Im honestly quite suprised how simmilar fascism and anarchism/communism is on the economic scale, but on the social scale its not quite the same.

I definitely learned lot more about leftist ideologies, so i got to thank you all for that.



One more question - What do you all think about National Anarchists? I was reading they belive a part of Anarchism is that you can decide who you want to live among, and what groups of people live in your community.

[#FF0000]

And that gives them the right to kill about 1.5 million Palestinians? Hey lets all move somewhere where the majority of the people are a different religion and lets kill them for not being the same religion. After all they were discriminated as you say, so that gives them the right to do the same.

I made a post earlier saying I was against Israel because it's a supremacist state.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaah, we all (mostly) oppose Israel around here.


Im honestly quite suprised how simmilar fascism and anarchism/communism is on the economic scale, but on the social scale its not quite the same. Remember my advice about taking a history course?

It's a massive, massive, massive stretch to say the economic side of Fascism and Anarchism/Communism are similar. Fascism generally favors interventionism and corporatism, while Anarchists and Communists advocate... Completely and totally dismantling the capitalist means of production and abolishing private property in favor of a new social order based on working class rule.

So when I say "it's a massive stretch", I mean to say "you're wrong". Pretty much all Fascist Economics and Communist economics have in common is that neither of them are laissez-faire capitalism. Fascist economics, however, perpetuates the capitalist mode of production.


One more question - What do you all think about National Anarchists? I was reading they belive a part of Anarchism is that you can decide who you want to live among, and what groups of people live in your community. Just a bunch of confused racists. They aren't anarchists -- They're tribalists.

[Magón]

What does revleft think about Americas support for Israel?

Bullshit.


What does revleft think about the Stock Market?

Bullshit that I won't ever invest money into.


What does revleft think about immigration? Such as Mexicans comming to America in USA legally an illegally, and non-europeans going to Europe?

I don't believe in borders since they're only on maps and also bullshit. So anyone coming from anywhere that isn't their country, isn't coming illegally.


I am highly against the "all men are created equal" belief, although i belive all men (and women) should treat and respect each other equally, reguardless of their race, sex, or religion.

You just contradicted yourself. So what are you really? For the equality of people, regarless of race, sex, religion, or not?


I'm against multiculturalism and immigration. I understand many of you will probally call me racist or fascist or whatever. But to be honest with you i dont hate any other people and i dont like nazis... I just don't belive in people of different ethnicities living in the same community together. Imo it makes no sense to me... For hundreds of thousands of years people have lived in communities with only one ethnicity, I belive that is a core part of a society.

Uh? That's racism dude, no matter what context you try to put it in. I'm a Mexican, and I live in a community that's made up of plenty of races. Polynesians, Blacks, Whites, etc. We all get along fine. If you think we should all stick to our own little areas, without trying to bring the racist thoughts and actions, that segregation brings, you're a racist.



I'm not trying to attack leftism, so don't get me wrong... I'm just trying to understand what ideology I would fall under, and understand revlefts opinion on certain topics.

To me, you seem like every other American Liberal who wants "change", but only so much that they're not uncomfortable with those that live in their society. Which really, is only the same color and thinking as them. So yeah, a racist liberal is what I'd describe you as. :)

[Property Is Robbery]

Someone please restrict this guy :thumbdown:

[Magón]

Before you respond to this post, just think..... what would life be like without any Europeans here? The people who invented the car, mass production, the computer steam engine the airplane ect ect.

For being cultures that were isolated from Europe for so many years, the Olmec, Inca, Aztecs, and Mayans were pretty advanced for their time. And all that was going on while Europe was in the Dark Ages and onwards, thinking science and the like were from the Devil.

Yay, European supremacy! :rolleyes:

[RGacky3]

Im honestly quite suprised how simmilar fascism and anarchism/communism is on the economic scale, but on the social scale its not quite the same.


You don't have a goddamn clue what your talking about.


Hey lets all move somewhere where the majority of the people are a different religion and lets kill them for not being the same religion. After all they were discriminated as you say, so that gives them the right to do the same.


Wait what??? You seam to think that people of different religions Naturally kill each other, no they don't.

[#FF0000]

Hey lets all move somewhere where the majority of the people are a different religion and lets kill them for not being the same religion. After all they were discriminated as you say, so that gives them the right to do the same. Haha oh wow I missed this one somehow.

Palestinians aren't fighting Israelis because of religion. Jews, Christians, and Muslims generally lived pretty well together before Israel was established.

People have this weird idea that Muslims will attack people of another religion as a rule. Historically, that's not really the case. Ever hear of the Jewish Golden Age? It took place in Spain, back when it was ruled by the Moors, who were muslims, in the year 700 or something.

[Revolution starts with U]

Im honestly quite suprised how simmilar fascism and anarchism/communism is on the economic scale, but on the social scale its not quite the same.

Care to elaborate? Or are you fine just making assertions and accepting them as true because they sound good to you?



One more question - What do you all think about National Anarchists? I was reading they belive a part of Anarchism is that you can decide who you want to live among, and what groups of people live in your community.
It's a heirarchichal restriction on one's freedom of movement and association. It is not anarchistic in any way.

Western Europe is a mix of celt/gaulish/roman/frankish/germanic influences. It is a melting pot. If you're going to use western europe as the pinnacle of societal development, it seems to me the conclusion woudl be the multiculturalism was a major factor.

[Rooster]

You're wrong. No leftists are against multiculturalism.

False. I know a few people in the CPGB who are against multiculturalism. To be fair, those guys are kinda dicks though.

[L.A.P.]

One more question - What do you all think about National Anarchists? I was reading they belive a part of Anarchism is that you can decide who you want to live among, and what groups of people live in your community.

I just want to let everyone know, I called it.

[PhoenixAsh]

HOW....can this guy not be restricted?

:blink:

[Bardo]

and yes I support isreals right to exist, but not when they force the Arabs to leave their land, also isreal is a supremist state which I'm against.

Erm, then why support Israel's right to exist?

[R_P_A_S]

this guy is racist. :laugh: oh wait that's not funny...
and because the Mayans didn't have a strong understanding of astronomy
the Iroquois didn't develop the concept of a republic government

oh no no.. all europe's doing.

[ChampionDishWasher]

I completely agree with you. The wealthy have way to much power. But another thing you all seem to forget about is what groups of people created the world and made it what it is today? The europeans have invented over 90% of modern technology I understand there are many other groups of people that have made many contributions to society, but overall you must admit if the Europeans didn't exist the world wouldn't be where it is today. Also with the amount of immigration going into European dominated countries, the global population of Europeans will diminish because Europeans have a very low birthrate, while the foreigners have a very high birthrate. Before you respond to this post, just think..... what would life be like without any Europeans here? The people who invented the car, mass production, the computer steam engine the airplane ect ect.

Read Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond.

[Leninster]

While I do agree for restriction, I would hope for you guys to be more respectful nonetheless.

The guy just wants a friendly discussion. No need to bash him.

[RGacky3]

The guy just wants a friendly discussion. No need to bash him.

.... Well .... I mean .... he's a racist.

[Che a chara]

While I do agree for restriction, I would hope for you guys to be more respectful nonetheless.

The guy just wants a friendly discussion. No need to bash him.

As stated the guy is unapologetically a racist and pro-segregation and no doubt a troll after coming out with this pish:


Im honestly quite suprised how simmilar fascism and anarchism/communism is on the economic scale, but on the social scale its not quite the same.

I definitely learned lot more about leftist ideologies, so i got to thank you all for that.

Restriction ? If he doesn't come up with solid arguments for his positions i'd rather see him hang upside down like Mussolini.

[Magón]

While I do agree for restriction, I would hope for you guys to be more respectful nonetheless.

The guy just wants a friendly discussion. No need to bash him.

Well seeing how he has only posted 7 times, and the subject in which he tried to defend, I think being respectful doesn't matter since he's either a troll who's said what he wanted to say, or we scared off a racist? Either way, doesn't matter.

[Dimentio]

Why do I not belive in all men are created equal? Well a tall man can reach the top of a shelf easier than a short man, therefore both of the men are not created equal one is more capable than the other. In addition to this, why do people from different countries have different collective iqs? If we were all created equal we would all have the same iq. Why is my friend really good at math when im bad at math but im better then him at history and science?

Equal =/= Identical'

Collective IQ's don't exist. That African countries show lower IQ results in general is because of worse nutrition and less good health status for the mothers during pregnancies. Moreover, most African countries have really bad public education.

In around 1900, the typical IQ level for a western country was 70-80.

[eric922]

I completely agree with you. The wealthy have way to much power. But another thing you all seem to forget about is what groups of people created the world and made it what it is today? The europeans have invented over 90% of modern technology I understand there are many other groups of people that have made many contributions to society, but overall you must admit if the Europeans didn't exist the world wouldn't be where it is today. Also with the amount of immigration going into European dominated countries, the global population of Europeans will diminish because Europeans have a very low birthrate, while the foreigners have a very high birthrate. Before you respond to this post, just think..... what would life be like without any Europeans here? The people who invented the car, mass production, the computer steam engine the airplane ect ect.
As to your rather racist sound comment on Europeans invented 90% of modern technology. I'll contest that right now. Europe went though what we some might call a technology/knowledge golden age in the past centuries, however they also went through the Dark Ages. And while Europe slumbered in the Dark Ages the Arab Empires laid the foundations for modern science. They invented Algebra, though in high school I hated them for it, they greatly improved the fields of medicine, astronomy, and invented firearms. Oh and those numbers we use all the time to count and tell time? Those are Arabic numerals which were found to be superior to the Roman numerals. Oh and let's don't forget China. They discovered gunpowder, invented paper among other things.

[eric922]

Im honestly quite suprised how simmilar fascism and anarchism/communism is on the economic scale, but on the social scale its not quite the same.

I definitely learned lot more about leftist ideologies, so i got to thank you all for that.



One more question - What do you all think about National Anarchists? I was reading they belive a part of Anarchism is that you can decide who you want to live among, and what groups of people live in your community.
Anarchism/communism and Fascism are not similar in anyway either in economics or social issues. Fascism is all about strengthening corporate power. Mussolini the founder of Fascism said this:"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

[Isolationist]

Sorry I have been busy and haven't been able to reply to this thread untill now.

....... And i ment Communism and Facism are different on the economic scale but are simmilar on the social scale. This was the chart i remeber looking at.
nvm cant post it

And yes like i said Europeans haven't invented everything. But my point is without Europeans this website wouldn't exist and an addition your leftist ideology wouldn't exist either (well you can't prove that but its pretty much common sense).

Yes, the Chineese did invent gun powder - ok? cool... thats one productive invention out of millions.

"In around 1900, the typical IQ level for a western country was 70-80." Yes of c this is true, on average Europeans brain size has increased a few cubic cm's between the 1930 to now, which means their average iQ will most-likely increase.

Sorry for anyones comments that I have skipped - I can't sit here for hours discussng and debateing with you guys.


My next question for everyone is whats your explaniation on why Whites in America are over 60% of the countrys population and make up less than 20% of Americas prison population. Where as Blacks make up only 12.4% of the Nations population and account for 40% of the prison population...
Hispanics - 20% of USA population and are 20% of the people in USA prisons....

You have to be a fool to not understand that minorities commit crimes and are jailed WAY more oftenly than Whites.

Here are some more info from a website i just found.

- The average Black kills a "White" 15.9 times more often than the reverse.
- Weapons violations are committed by Blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are more than three times as likely as Whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement;
- Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as Whites;
- Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as Whites;
- Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle;
- Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as Whites;
- Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as Whites;
- Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as Whites;

[Rooster]

And yes like i said Europeans haven't invented everything. But my point is without Europeans this website wouldn't exist and an addition your leftist ideology wouldn't exist either (well you can't prove that but its pretty much common sense).

There is no way of knowing that.


Yes, the Chineese did invent gun powder - ok? cool... thats one productive invention out of millions.

Here is a list of Chinese inventions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions


"In around 1900, the typical IQ level for a western country was 70-80." Yes of c this is true, on average Europeans brain size has increased a few cubic cm's between the 1930 to now, which means their average iQ will most-likely increase.

That's false. Human brain size has remained about the same since the first recognisable homo sapiens walked on the Earth. I am also certain that a Neanderthal's brain was larger than an average homo sapien's.



My next question for everyone is whats your explaniation on why Whites in America are over 60% of the countrys population and make up less than 20% of Americas prison population. Where as Blacks make up only 12.4% of the Nations population and account for 40% of the prison population...
Hispanics - 20% of USA population and are 20% of the people in USA prisons....

You have to be a fool to not understand that minorities commit crimes and are jailed WAY more oftenly than Whites.

Here are some more info from a website i just found.

- The average Black kills a "White" 15.9 times more often than the reverse.
- Weapons violations are committed by Blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are more than three times as likely as Whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement;
- Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as Whites;
- Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as Whites;
- Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle;
- Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as Whites;
- Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as Whites;
- Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as Whites;

I think that has a lot more to do with social and economic factors rather than the colour of their skin. You're a fool for ignoring everything else as to why people end up in jail.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Equal =/= Identical'

Collective IQ's don't exist. That African countries show lower IQ results in general is because of worse nutrition and less good health status for the mothers during pregnancies. Moreover, most African countries have really bad public education.

In around 1900, the typical IQ level for a western country was 70-80.

IQ scores are standardized, so when ever they are taken, the average score for the population has to be 100.

My guess as to why Africans score less on IQ score (if this is true) is because IQ tests are designed with Euro/Euro-American values. What white people consider to be a sign of intelligence is different from other groups. So the IQ tests are not measuring universal intelligence, but intelligence as defined by European/Euro-American culture.

[#FF0000]

Sorry I have been busy and haven't been able to reply to this thread untill now.

....... And i ment Communism and Facism are different on the economic scale but are simmilar on the social scale. This was the chart i remeber looking at.
nvm cant post it

They certainly are not. Most every communist I know, with a few exceptions, would be considered extremely socially permissive, as opposed to Fascists, who tend to be, well, not socially permissive at all.

Communists, also, are not Traditionalists, while Fascists are.


And yes like i said Europeans haven't invented everything. But my point is without Europeans this website wouldn't exist and an addition your leftist ideology wouldn't exist either (well you can't prove that but its pretty much common sense).No, sorry, wrong. Stop saying things about history and Europe until you pick up a world history book please. Maybe "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond, even.


Yes, the Chineese did invent gun powder - ok? cool... thats one productive invention out of millions.
Actually most "inventions" you'd attribute to Europeans were invented elsewhere. Like, I don't know, mathematics? It would be more accurate to say that Europeans improved on things that other cultures had invented or discovered, and had an easier time doing it, not because Europeans are better, but because Europe's environment lent itself to things. Like metalworking. There are tons of easy-to-access metal deposits in Europe. Or Animal Husbandry. There are plenty of easily domesticated animals that are native to Europe.

And so on.


"In around 1900, the typical IQ level for a western country was 70-80."THAT IS NOT HOW IQ WORKS

The average was, is, and always shall be, 100 on the Stanford-Binet scale. Because it is standardised. It 32% of the population falls between 100 and 115, and 32% of the population falls between 115 and 130, then guess what?

115 is the new 100.


Yes of c this is true, on average Europeans brain size has increased a few cubic cm's between the 1930 to now, which means their average iQ will most-likely increase.This is an immense load of bullshit. There is no correlation between brain size and IQ, first of all, and second of all, if you were to take the IQ test they used in 1930, you would (all of us would, actually) fail that shit so miserably that, according to the grading scale, you wouldn't be capable of much more than involuntary bodily functions like breathing and having your heart beat.

IQ tests are not reliable, and are very prone to bias.

And they're next to fucking worthless anyway.

Just for fun, do you know Stephen Hawking's IQ? It's estimated to be about 160.

Do you know filmmaker Quentin Tarantino's IQ? I'll give you a hint. It's the same as Stephen Hawking's.

IQ doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.



My next question for everyone is whats your explaniation on why Whites in America are over 60% of the countrys population and make up less than 20% of Americas prison population. Where as Blacks make up only 12.4% of the Nations population and account for 40% of the prison population...
Hispanics - 20% of USA population and are 20% of the people in USA prisons....

You have to be a fool to not understand that minorities commit crimes and are jailed WAY more oftenly than Whites.

Here are some more info from a website i just found.

- The average Black kills a "White" 15.9 times more often than the reverse.
- Weapons violations are committed by Blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for Whites;
- Blacks are more than three times as likely as Whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement;
- Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as Whites;
- Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as Whites;
- Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle;
- Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as Whites;
- Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as Whites;
- Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as Whites; Crime rates are consistent with poverty rates. You can bet you're going to see crime spike when wages and income drops like a rock.

Aaaand that's pretty much the situation a lot of black Americans are stuck in. 200 years of institutional racism targeted specifically at black people has lasting effects. Big shock, right?

EDIT: Actually, can you cite me an independent (that is, not some stupid right-wing white nationalist angelfire-hosted internet abortion of a website) source to back up these numbers?

Because I know for a fact that the first number you threw out there is 100% bullshit, because...




Of the 4,057 victims of racial bias, 71.5 percent were victims because of an offender’s prejudice against blacks.

...



Of the 6,225 known offenders, 62.4 percent were white, 18.5 percent were black, and 7.3 percent were groups of individuals of various races. The race was unknown for 10.2 percent of offenders, and other races accounted for the remaining offenders.


Source = http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/november/hate_112210/hate_112210

So, uh, yeah. I don't think any of the numbers you posted are anywhere even close to correct.

[#FF0000]

IQ scores are standardized, so when ever they are taken, the average score for the population has to be 100.

My guess as to why Africans score less on IQ score (if this is true) is because IQ tests are designed with Euro/Euro-American values. What white people consider to be a sign of intelligence is different from other groups. So the IQ tests are not measuring universal intelligence, but intelligence as defined by European/Euro-American culture.

Compared to western IQs, I think the average IQ score in Africa placed the average African individual somewhere in the "Moderate Intellectual Disability" range.

Which, I shouldn't have to say, is fucking ridiculous. Literally the only way to interpret that is "this test is biased garbage"

[Magón]

And yes like i said Europeans haven't invented everything. But my point is without Europeans this website wouldn't exist and an addition your leftist ideology wouldn't exist either (well you can't prove that but its pretty much common sense).

No, it's not, "pretty much common sense", it's flat out racism and makes you a moron; a WHITE moron if you can believe that.

What you're saying is that without the "european" mind, none of the internet, leftist ideologies, or anything would be around. You have absolutely NO way of knowing that, or declaring it "common sense" with the stupidity you're trying to use.

[Fulanito de Tal]

And yes like i said Europeans haven't invented everything. But my point is without Europeans this website wouldn't exist and an addition your leftist ideology wouldn't exist either (well you can't prove that but its pretty much common sense).


If it wasn't for Muslims, there would have barely been any progress in the Mediterranean throughout the middle ages, but that's covered up in European history classes.

*not that all Muslims are not white, but the religion started in the Arabian peninsula and spread from there.

[StockholmSyndrome]

Please don't restrict this guy because I'd rather not be associated with his ilk. Ban him, kthx.

[ComradeMan]

And yes like i said Europeans haven't invented everything. But my point is without Europeans this website wouldn't exist and an addition your leftist ideology wouldn't exist either (well you can't prove that but its pretty much common sense).

Yes, the Chineese did invent gun powder - ok? cool... thats one productive invention out of millions.



Why is it that these shining examples of intelligence and American/White supremacy- these people who vaunt national/race IQ stats are always so ignorant.....:rolleyes:


And yes like i said Europeans haven't invented everything.

Well I don't think anyone can claim to have invented "everything".

However Europeans did invent a few things that come to mind....

Cars...
Steam power....
Nuclear fission...
Radio techonology....
Microscopes....
Telescopes....
Anti-biotics....
Computers....

The list could go on and on....

As for the Chinese.... a civilisation so ancient and grand with such long continuity....

Paper....
Printing...
Paper money....
Pasta (allegedly.... :lol:)
Gunpowder....
Compass....
Silk....
etc etc etc....

[ComradeMan]

If it wasn't for Muslims, there would have barely been any progress in the Mediterranean throughout the middle ages, but that's covered up in European history classes.

*not that all Muslims are not white, but the religion started in the Arabian peninsula and spread from there.

Not really....

[#FF0000]

Not really....

Muslims were responsible for some pretty great advances back in the day.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Not really....

oh, ok.

[Revolution starts with U]

On could argue the Chinese invented the first "computer;" the abbacus.
Waksman (father of anti-biotics) was a jew. So was Einsten.

[StockholmSyndrome]

I was thinking this morning about what an "invention" actually is. Can it really be said that humans have "invented" anything (as in brought into existence), or have we simply unraveled and harnessed already existing natural processes? Also, doesn't it take a lot of hubris to say that we've "discovered" these natural processes? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it does it make a sound? The answer is yes.

Take, for example, humankind's two greatest "inventions": booze and contraception.:lol: Both of these "discoveries" sprang up on multiple parts of the globe at different times. No part of the world can be said to "own" either of them. I think a connection can be drawn between the evolutionary idea of uniformitarianism, Franz Boas' historical particularism, and the ideas in Guns, Germs and Steel. We are all just finding different ways to do pretty much the same things, given the resources available. There is no one right way, and different cultures have been "mixing" and borrowing from each other since....forever. I find no contradiction between cultural relativism and a universal humanist code of ethics. The way I see it, all cultures are equally arbitrary. Racialism and isolationism are stupid. We are one human "race".

[#FF0000]

I was thinking this morning about what an "invention" actually is. Can it really be said that humans have "invented" anything (as in brought into existence), or have we simply unraveled and harnessed already existing natural processes? Also, doesn't it take a lot of hubris to say that we've "discovered" these natural processes? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it does it make a sound? The answer is yes.

Take, for example, humankind's two greatest "inventions": booze and contraception.:lol: Both of these "discoveries" sprang up on multiple parts of the globe at different times. No part of the world can be said to "own" either of them. I think a connection can be drawn between the evolutionary idea of uniformitarianism, Franz Boas' historical particularism, and the ideas in Guns, Germs and Steel. We are all just finding different ways to do pretty much the same things, given the resources available. There is no one right way, and different cultures have been "mixing" and borrowing from each other since....forever. I find no contradiction between cultural relativism and a universal humanist code of ethics. The way I see it, all cultures are equally arbitrary. Racialism and isolationism are stupid. We are one human "race".

I actually read something someone said on some video game blog (of all places) about this sort of thing. The guy pointed out that arguments over patents for historical inventions are ridiculously common, because different people in different parts of the world discover or invent the same things around the same time.

[ComradeMan]

On could argue the Chinese invented the first "computer;" the abbacus.
Waksman (father of anti-biotics) was a jew. So was Einsten.

And... was Einstein not a European?

I'm not sure I agree about the father of anti-biotics. Antibiosis was first noted by Pasteur and I thought the main credit went to Alexander Fleming? But I suppose with these kinds of discoveries, rather than inventions, it's difficult to give all the credit to one person.

I don't think you can argue that an abacus is really a computer.

[ComradeMan]

Muslims were responsible for some pretty great advances back in the day.

The "Not really" was in reference to the fact of its being covered up in European schools- I can't say that to be the case in my experience. Hell, the Muslim domination of Sicily and the ensuing culture was rather a jewell of the Mediterranean at the time.

[Revolution starts with U]

And... was Einstein not a European?

Yes, but it is quite clear that the OP is talking about "white people" when he says european (otherwise his whole hypothesis would make no sense).


I'm not sure I agree about the father of anti-biotics.
http://www.enotes.com/history-fact-finder/medicine-disease/when-were-antibiotics-invented
http://www.answers.com/topic/when-were-antibiotics-invented
You can credit Pasteur, Ehrlich, and maybe a few others with laying the groundwork. The real "father" would be a battle between the Flemming, Florey, and Chiang team (which won the noble prize for their research) and Waksman. The reason I chose Waksman is because he is the first to label it anti-biotics, and to really know what the process was and what he was dealing with. Penecillin was originally very hard to extract and not nearly as safe as we think it.


Antibiosis was first noted by Pasteur and I thought the main credit went to Alexander Fleming? But I suppose with these kinds of discoveries, rather than inventions, it's difficult to give all the credit to one person.

I agree. You can see my case for why I consider Waksman the true "father" and the others more as "grandfathers."

I don't think you can argue that an abacus is really a computer.
Then you don't know what a computer is.
http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=603
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invented_the_computer

[Fulanito de Tal]

The "Not really" was in reference to the fact of its being covered up in European schools- I can't say that to be the case in my experience. Hell, the Muslim domination of Sicily and the ensuing culture was rather a jewell of the Mediterranean at the time.

It's definitely covered up in the US. I didn't find out about the medieval Muslim empire until last summer when I started hanging out in the library...and I'm in grad school!

[RGacky3]

And... was Einstein not a European?

I'm not sure I agree about the father of anti-biotics. Antibiosis was first noted by Pasteur and I thought the main credit went to Alexander Fleming? But I suppose with these kinds of discoveries, rather than inventions, it's difficult to give all the credit to one person.

I don't think you can argue that an abacus is really a computer.

So ... Your arguine that Europenas are intrinsically superior to other races?

[ComradeMan]

Yes, but it is quite clear that the OP is talking about "white people" when he says european (otherwise his whole hypothesis would make no sense).

And Einstein wasn't white?


It's definitely covered up in the US. I didn't find out about the medieval Muslim empire until last summer when I started hanging out in the library...and I'm in grad school!

That's just ridiculous! It's certainly not covered up in the Mediterranean- in Spain it would be a bit hard to teach Spanish history otherwise!!! There is some historical hostility in some areas, like Greece and SE Italy- but because of Turkish/Ottoman conflicts, not because of Islam per se. I don't think there is a conspiracy to cover it up!


So ... Your arguine that Europenas are intrinsically superior to other races?

No.

[Revolution starts with U]

And Einstein wasn't white?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?! :cursing:
Of course it doesn't matter one way or the other to me, but I know of not one single white supremacist who includes Jews in the "white race." He could be fucking purple for all I care...
I don't even know why you would engage in this line of questioning, other than being deliberately obtuse.

[ComradeMan]

Are you being deliberately obtuse?! :cursing:
Of course it doesn't matter one way or the other to me, but I know of not one single white supremacist who includes Jews in the "white race." He could be fucking purple for all I care...
I don't even know why you would engage in this line of questioning, other than being deliberately obtuse.

So because white supremacists wouldn't consider him white- we shouldn't? or are you making a point to the OP?

Quite frankly I am not too concerned about what white supremacists think- to argue that Einstein isn't white is silly- unless of course you are white supremacist, and then- well- it's still silly because you're silly.
:lol:

[Revolution starts with U]

So because white supremacists wouldn't consider him white- we shouldn't? or are you making a point to the OP?

Obviously I was responding to the OP. I personally, as a leftist, don't think we should consider him white, or brown, or yellow, or birneiednidniel... Nor do I think we should consider you, me, or Mao any of those either. They are arbitrary and meaningless.
But when someone says "all science was created by white people" I'm obviously going to point out that Einstein wasn't white, by their own standards.


Quite frankly I am not too concerned about what white supremacists think- to argue that Einstein isn't white is silly- unless of course you are white supremacist, and then- well- it's still silly because you're silly.
:lol:

It's just as silly to argue Einstein (or anyone else for that matter) is white.

Really, I don't get where you got so confused.

[Isolationist]

Zzzzzzz I had a like 5 paragraphs typed and my login time expired <_<

But anyways back to the chineese inventions... Yes! Like i said the Chineese and Arabs have invented many great things... but againt overall the race that Modernized and Industralized the world was the Europeans...

God dam i can't post links or pictures... Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Isolationist]

My next question is please go to google and type in "onethirdoftheholocaust" please watch a few videos and tell me what you think - I would love to hear your opinion.

[Revolution starts with U]

Iran/arabian plateau modernized the world in the neolithic. Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Akkad (or assyria, something up there :D) modernized the world in the bronze age. Then Greece and Persia, with the help of the jews modernized the world in the iron age.. finally we get to Rome. But guess what... 150 years ago, Italians weren't white people!
The arabian world modernized the world, drawing on eariler sources from Greece to India in the middle ages.
You're talking maybe 500 years of the last 5000 years of written history that was lead by europe, specifically white europe (which we all know is what you mean by "europeans.").

Judging by your previous posts and love of white supremacy, Im almost positive that's a holocaust denial video....

EDIT: it is... big surprise

[#FF0000]

My next question is please go to google and type in "onethirdoftheholocaust" please watch a few videos and tell me what you think - I would love to hear your opinion.

it's nonsense, p. much.

[Revolution starts with U]

Holocaust denial is as worthless as global warming denial. Let's assume it's true :rolleyes:, what does that change? Are the NAZIs any better now? Is environmentalism any less important?

[StockholmSyndrome]

I like gin.

[ComradeMan]

Italians weren't white people!


...according to racists in the US that is.

[RGacky3]

According to some racists, very few of them.

[hatzel]

My next question is please go to google and type in "onethirdoftheholocaust" please watch a few videos and tell me what you think - I would love to hear your opinion.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200425_1970868794933_1339407073_2303925_1685654_n. jpg

Seriously, ban this mofo...that's my opinion on that shit...

[Che a chara]

A Holocaust denier. why is this anti-semitic white supremacist prick not banned yet ?

And to answer your question regarding the European superstars of the universe, so what they were creative ? all that means is that they had the means at their disposal via plundering and colonising the third world. I don't think anyone is denying their contributions. maybe they had to go out and be inventive as their colder climate and conditions made it necessary in order to survive. Non-europeans were in the past more tribal by nature. I don't think that is a sign of ineptness as your're trying to imply.

[ComradeMan]

onethirdoftheholocaust

I just checked the site- that's holocaust denial for sure.

Apart from everything else, I hope the OP is aware that Holocaust Denial is actually a crime in many EU nations and I believe under German law, that applies to RevLeft.

Other than that- I think he should be given ONE chance to see the error of his ways or he should be dealt with by Admin.

Holocaust Deniers have one major problem, i.e. those who were involved in the Holocaust and admit it- ex SS officers, camp guards etc.

I have also met WWII veterans, a British guy once, who went into the camps and told me of the horrors of what they/he saw.

[RGacky3]

Its interesting that this guy thinks Europeans are better AND is Holocaust denier, I bet those 2 go together a lot, must be a coincidence.

[ComradeMan]

Its interesting that this guy thinks Europeans are better AND is Holocaust denier, I bet those 2 go together a lot, must be a coincidence.

Hmmm... I am also suspicious.

But let us give the OP one chance to explain himself, listen to reason and perhaps "come round"- otherwise he should f.off. to Shit front.

[PhoenixAsh]

And yes like i said Europeans haven't invented everything. But my point is without Europeans this website wouldn't exist and an addition your leftist ideology wouldn't exist either (well you can't prove that but its pretty much common sense).

Yes, the Chineese did invent gun powder - ok? cool... thats one productive invention out of millions.

Aha...so you basically 50% of what we use has been priorly invented by either the African, Arabs, Asians or South Americans. The whole fact that we are able to "invent" or produce is because of a whole range of reasons but most notably the imperialism and domination of resources part....or because eom inventions rely on prerequisites.

If you would actually learn your history and understand it then you would know this and would understand that the amount of inventions is rarely a sign of superiority but rather a sign of wealth.




"In around 1900, the typical IQ level for a western country was 70-80." Yes of c this is true, on average Europeans brain size has increased a few cubic cm's between the 1930 to now, which means their average iQ will most-likely increase.


Acces to better nutrition, medical care, and education. All of which are established because of dominance over others and monopolisation of their resources for our use.




Sorry for anyones comments that I have skipped - I can't sit here for hours discussng and debateing with you guys.

It would be actually fun to see you make a single founded argument



My next question for everyone is whats your explaniation on why Whites in America are over 60% of the countrys population and make up less than 20% of Americas prison population. Where as Blacks make up only 12.4% of the Nations population and account for 40% of the prison population...
Hispanics - 20% of USA population and are 20% of the people in USA prisons....

You have to be a fool to not understand that minorities commit crimes and are jailed WAY more oftenly than Whites.

I will ignore your racist ramblings to adress a simple point: socio economics, racial profiling, quicker sentencing and longer sentencing based on race and a judicial system which favours those of privilege (which are mostly the white citizens).


So if you are not white you are easilly seen as a criminal, treated as a criminal and therefore receive higher sentences. You will be arrested quicker, you will be sentenced quicker....and this will automatically increasing the input and reducing the output of prisoners in the system for your racial category.

If you arte white you get lower sentences more often, are not so readilly arrested and will be paroled sooner. Increasing output and decreasing input.

[ComradeMan]

Please nobody answer the OP until he explains some of his positions before the ban hammer comes down on him for Holocaust denial.:(

[Sasha]

too late; OP banned

[#FF0000]

you know someone fucked up when an OIer as self-righteous as StockholmSyndrome is calling for a banhammer

[hatzel]

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/tnbutterfly/Ban/banhammer-shirt_large.png

Should this thread by shut or something now, or are we going to carry on discussing the points raised? :) Anybody check out any of those videos...?

[ComradeMan]

To be honest- I would always like the chance to convert someone or get them to see how they are wrong, a small victory in the ideological battle at least. But then again fascist/neo-nazis are probably not going to listen. :(

[El Chuncho]

What does revleft think about Americas support for Israel?

Disgraceful and a plot on that country. No offence to Jews, but Israel is like Nazi Germany.


What does revleft think about the Stock Market?

Shares are evil. Why should rich people get richer when the poor workers break their backs for a pittance?


What does revleft think about immigration? Such as Mexicans comming to America in USA legally an illegally, and non-europeans going to Europe?

WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE! More foreign workers should come here and actively demand change with the people born here.

Immigrants are just another oppressed minority being used as a scapegoat by Capitalist and Fascist pigs.





I am highly against the "all men are created equal" belief, although i belive all men (and women) should treat and respect each other equally, reguardless of their race, sex, or religion.

I totally agree, comrade! :D


I'm HIGHLY against the stock market, i think its ridiculous a wealthy investor could work 10 minutes a day playing in the stock market and make over 10X as much money as a hardworking blue collar worker.

Agreed, it is the greatest evil in the world at the moment and the thing that irks me the most, along with racism.

This might shock some of you..


I'm against multiculturalism and immigration.

I do not care about the first part, but I do not like the second part.


I understand many of you will probally call me racist or fascist or whatever. But to be honest with you i dont hate any other people and i dont like nazis... I just don't belive in people of different ethnicities living in the same community together. Imo it makes no sense to me... For hundreds of thousands of years people have lived in communities with only one ethnicity, I belive that is a core part of a society.

Why not? Aren't we all human/ For thousands of years our cultures were not separated. And what of people from different cultures who are in love? Should they not be together?




Please correct me if i'm wrong...
I belive some leftists are against multiculturalism?

I am a moderate on the issue. I think people should consider themselves culturally, say, English is they live in England, and they can consider themselves of what ever descent of duel ethnicity they want. But people living in a country that they do not want to be part of and actively denounce that they are part of the culture...well, that is akin to xenophobia and racism in my book.



I'm not trying to attack leftism, so don't get me wrong... I'm just trying to understand what ideology I would fall under, and understand revlefts opinion on certain topics.

You are a leftist, I feel, though you did not give as much of your politics as maybe you should, but I do feel that there is an element of racism/xenophobia, maybe subconscious, to your beliefs. My partner is from a different culture, so I would call you a comrade if you fight for the workers with me, but with some reservation. I hope you ditch the anti-immigrationism.

[Revolution starts with U]

...according to racists in the US that is.
Why.. do you want to be white?
I'd rather not be anything. Im an irishman and a slav by ancestory. Neither one of my people were considered white back then. And I could give a fuck less. I'd rather not be considered white now. Im just a god damned human.
We can either defeat racism by just making everyone white. Or we can ignore it, demean it, and/or make fun of it.
I choose the latter. The former is frought with all kinds of reactionary problems.

[Catmatic Leftist]

They certainly are not. Most every communist I know, with a few exceptions, would be considered extremely socially permissive, as opposed to Fascists, who tend to be, well, not socially permissive at all.

Communists, also, are not Traditionalists, while Fascists are.

No, sorry, wrong. Stop saying things about history and Europe until you pick up a world history book please. Maybe "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond, even.

Actually most "inventions" you'd attribute to Europeans were invented elsewhere. Like, I don't know, mathematics? It would be more accurate to say that Europeans improved on things that other cultures had invented or discovered, and had an easier time doing it, not because Europeans are better, but because Europe's environment lent itself to things. Like metalworking. There are tons of easy-to-access metal deposits in Europe. Or Animal Husbandry. There are plenty of easily domesticated animals that are native to Europe.

And so on.

THAT IS NOT HOW IQ WORKS

The average was, is, and always shall be, 100 on the Stanford-Binet scale. Because it is standardised. It 32% of the population falls between 100 and 115, and 32% of the population falls between 115 and 130, then guess what?

115 is the new 100.

This is an immense load of bullshit. There is no correlation between brain size and IQ, first of all, and second of all, if you were to take the IQ test they used in 1930, you would (all of us would, actually) fail that shit so miserably that, according to the grading scale, you wouldn't be capable of much more than involuntary bodily functions like breathing and having your heart beat.

IQ tests are not reliable, and are very prone to bias.

And they're next to fucking worthless anyway.

Just for fun, do you know Stephen Hawking's IQ? It's estimated to be about 160.

Do you know filmmaker Quentin Tarantino's IQ? I'll give you a hint. It's the same as Stephen Hawking's.

IQ doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.


Crime rates are consistent with poverty rates. You can bet you're going to see crime spike when wages and income drops like a rock.

Aaaand that's pretty much the situation a lot of black Americans are stuck in. 200 years of institutional racism targeted specifically at black people has lasting effects. Big shock, right?

EDIT: Actually, can you cite me an independent (that is, not some stupid right-wing white nationalist angelfire-hosted internet abortion of a website) source to back up these numbers?

Because I know for a fact that the first number you threw out there is 100% bullshit, because...

Source = http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/november/hate_112210/hate_112210

So, uh, yeah. I don't think any of the numbers you posted are anywhere even close to correct.

To be fair, movie making isn't that easy. But I agree with everything else. :thumbup1::thumbup:

[El Chuncho]

Why.. do you want to be white?
I'd rather not be anything. Im an irishman and a slav by ancestory. Neither one of my people were considered white back then. And I could give a fuck less. I'd rather not be considered white now. Im just a god damned human.
We can either defeat racism by just making everyone white. Or we can ignore it, demean it, and/or make fun of it.
I choose the latter. The former is frought with all kinds of reactionary problems.

Ah, you make a good point about Slavs and Irish, yes they were not considered white. And I totally agree with you just being human, racism is a Bourgeois plot to isolate others.

And why should we just make everyone white, indeed? I say we just make all humans purple! ;)

[Revolution starts with U]

I used to, and occasionaly still do, listen to a very underappreciated rap group (ICP). Juvenile I know. But they have a great line that relates here:
Fuck skin color. Everbody's blue. Than what would all these bigots do? Instead of your tone, they'd hate your size.... and it goes on from there.

[El Chuncho]

I used to, and occasionaly still do, listen to a very underappreciated rap group (ICP). Juvenile I know. But they have a great line that relates here:
Fuck skin color. Everbody's blue. Than what would all these bigots do? Instead of your tone, they'd hate your size.... and it goes on from there.

Don't know the band, but I quite like ''old school'' rap, so I do not think it is juvenile at all. I totally agree with that band's sentiments. Racism is so pathetically pointless it is unbelievable.

I met a few people from the US recently, and they said things like ''I would like to date black women, but my parents do not agree with it'', and I though that society is still pretty absurd at the moment. I scarcely believe that racism still exists in as large quantities as it does.

[Fulanito de Tal]

too late; OP banned

You down wit OP Banned? Yea you know me!

mJgFU3U4X_Y

[Revolution starts with U]

Ya, you know me!

[ComradeMan]

Why.. do you want to be white?
I'd rather not be anything. Im an irishman and a slav by ancestory. Neither one of my people were considered white back then. And I could give a fuck less. I'd rather not be considered white now. Im just a god damned human.
We can either defeat racism by just making everyone white. Or we can ignore it, demean it, and/or make fun of it.
I choose the latter. The former is frought with all kinds of reactionary problems.


Because this is a load of shit. It's only in the US where there was such mad racial policy that this idea that many white people/Europeans weren't fucking white seems to have started.

Considered "white"? What the fuck does that mean? It's just stupid. It would be like saying black Americans aren't black because they are materially better off than black Africans and are not from Africa.

Who comes up with these crazy ideas?

[Che a chara]

too late; OP banned

A basterd's work is never done ....;)

[RGacky3]

Shares are evil. Why should rich people get richer when the poor workers break their backs for a pittance?


Shittiest analysis of Capital markets I've read in a long time.