If you were president..

[The Man]

And the congress agreed with you, would you declare war against Israel, and support the Palestinians?

[Pirate Utopian]

I wouldn't declare war against any country. It tends to have working class people kill other working class people.

[Pretty Flaco]

This is a silly thread.
What good would a war with Israel do?

[The Man]

This is a silly thread.
What good would a war with Israel do?

Free the people of Palestine from oppression.

[28350]

assuming i as a communist were elected and given all sorts of executive powers (which is impossible for so many different reasons), no, I wouldn't.

do I support a us war against israel?
no

the liberation of palestine from israeli oppresion can only come from socialist revolution.

[Pretty Flaco]

Free the people of Palestine from oppression.

No, you'd just be imperialistically invading a country and in the process starting a bloody conflict. Odds are, you'd be causing more harm than good.

[ChampionDishWasher]

No, but I would stop being their *****.

[The Man]

No, but I would stop being their *****.

Yeah I would probably stop doing that. Then put an embargo or something on them, and stop all federal funding.

[PhoenixAsh]

No.

War and invasion is an imperialist expression. And indeed puts workers against each other. And depletes the resources of both countries.

I would stop all financial and military aid though unless they started to really work towards a solution.

[bcbm]

No, but I would stop being their *****.

the us is not israel's "*****" (:glare:), israel is of strategic value to the us so they support it

[dernier combat]

Free the people of Palestine from oppression.
And what will be the outcome of this liberation from Zionist occupation; another Bourgeois republic that has the same capacity to repress just like Israel has? Or maybe a probable resurgence in vile nationalism? If you want anything remotely socialist in its place, you forget that revolution requires a mass mobilisation of the working class against the forces of capital and the state - not an invasion.

[ChampionDishWasher]

the us is not israel's "*****" (:glare:), israel is of strategic value to the us so they support it

So what does that sound like to you...:lol:

[bcbm]

So what does that sound like to you...:lol:

realpolitik

[psgchisolm]

no. No reason to keep building to the everlasting deficit.

[ChampionDishWasher]

realpolitik
touche douche

[Ocean Seal]

I probably wouldn't go to war with them, but I would immediately stop funding their weapons program, stop sharing intelligence, remove the US veto from enforcing sanctions on Israel, stop donations to Israel from this country, stop the blockcade and let the Palestinians free themselves.

[Nolan]

I would streak through a press conference.

Anyway. This is sorta like asking Richard Dawkins what he would do if he were head of Answers in Genesis or something.

[Agent Ducky]

No, I wouldn't. For the same reasonsn as alot of the above people.

[Dimentio]

And the congress agreed with you, would you declare war against Israel, and support the Palestinians?

It is just to withdraw US economic support of Israel, and it would be forced to disarm partially.

[IndependentCitizen]

Wouldn't that be the same as what the Israelis are doing to the people of Palestine?

I'd cut off economic ties with the Israeli right-wingers, fund any socialist group that's willing to accept Palestinian land. Also funding the Palestinian left in helping them get organised and help build their country up!

[Scary Monster]

And the congress agreed with you, would you declare war against Israel, and support the Palestinians?

A war with Israel is not necessary. I would just stop pouring so much goddamn money into Israel's military, bcuz Israel is the US' *****. Israel would not last very long (or at least, they would not be so powerful) if the US had not been giving them billions of dollars yearly for economic aid, military technology and weapons since the 1940's.

[RATM-Eubie]

How about we be rational and not a pure idiot and not declare but just stop supporting them with billions of dollars..... Can we just do that instead of another pointless war?

[bcbm]

could people please stop describing things as being someone/thing's "*****?"

[Rafiq]

Seriously, what the fucking shit?

All the important things we as leftists could do if we were president and congress was on our side, and all you people are talking about is what to do with Israel?

This is why people say the left is getting antisemitic.

[RATM-Eubie]

Seriously, what the fucking shit?

All the important things we as leftists could do if we were president and congress was on our side, and all you people are talking about is what to do with Israel?

This is why people say the left is getting antisemitic.

The question was addressed to what we would do with Israel or certainly did come off that way.

[gorillafuck]

what a weird discussion for radicals to have.

[Scary Monster]

could people please stop describing things as being someone/thing's "*****?"

bcuz its true thats why.

[MarxistMan]

Hello, of course not. Remember that Israeli citizens even right-wing pro-Likud Party Israelis who vote for right-wing parties and for The Likud Party are humans. We should love all humans even nazis. So wars kill people and are very satanic. I think that I would do if i was US president would be to spread socialist and humanist ideology to the Israeli society so that they can liberate themselves.

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And the congress agreed with you, would you declare war against Israel, and support the Palestinians?

[MarxistMan]

Hating Israel-government is not being anti-semitic. Hating jews, israeli citizens, israeli people is being anti-semitic.

Hating the Mexican government doesn't make you an anti-mexican racist.

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Seriously, what the fucking shit?

All the important things we as leftists could do if we were president and congress was on our side, and all you people are talking about is what to do with Israel?

This is why people say the left is getting antisemitic.

[L.A.P.]

I would just fund Palestinian liberation groups and end recognition of the State of Israel.

[RadioRaheem84]

And the congress agreed with you, would you declare war against Israel, and support the Palestinians?

This logic seems a lot like the logic of the pro-war "leftists" like Chris Hitchens, thinking that using a liberal democratic country to use the military for humanitarian intervention was somehow a "leftist" position.

War with Israel would do more harm than good for working people.

[RadioRaheem84]

How about stop all aid to Israel and give it to the Palestinians?

[gorillafuck]

I don't think anyone here would continue aid to Israel. I'd be more curious about why anyone here wanted to become president....and how they managed to not be assassinated....

[Pretty Flaco]

I don't think anyone here would continue aid to Israel. I'd be more curious about why anyone here wanted to become president....and how they managed to not be assassinated....

Nothing says liberation quite like regime change!

[Pretty Flaco]

I would just fund Palestinian liberation groups and end recognition of the State of Israel.

Ending recognition of Israel just creates more of a problem as well. There needs to be a solution that is beneficial to the Palestinians without being too hard on the Israelis. Do you think every single Israeli is some sort of racist bigot or warmongerer?

[MarxistMan]

I've always claimed that if a socialist politician rises to government power in USA he should use a Pope-Mobile, in order to protect himself from the magic bullets of the CIA and oligarchic capitalist ruling class

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Nothing says liberation quite like regime change!

[Lenina Rosenweg]

The US is not Israel's "*****" although admittedly it does seem that way at times. The US ruling class does place limits,however wide, on what Israel can do. The Pollard spy case is an example. Israel more functions like the Gurkhas to the US' "British Empire", or more precisely Israel acts like the British Raj in India, which verged on semi-independence at times but was also a key part of British imperialism, with the US acting like the British Home Office.

Its about access and control of the oil supply. The US cannot tolerate Middle Eastern nationalism-any country using the resources foremost for their own development, in their own way.By dispossesing the local population, Israel has been forced to evolve as an isolated aggressive settler state at war with much of its entire region and thus has emerged as a US client state. This fits US needs very well. There are other directions Israel, with its socialist tradition (upon independence the Israeli CP was the biggest party) could have gone in,but we know what happened.

I don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of becoming POTUS. If I did I would aid worker's struggles worldwide, not make war on states.The left in the US should oppose the massive US aid to Israel, work to break to media propaganda, and educate people.

[Fulanito de Tal]

I would have a nationally televised speech and declare the following...because I, of course, would have ULTIMATE POOOOOWWWWEEEEERRRR!!!

1. The FFC is done. Fuck that shit. If you don't want to watch it, turn it off.

2. You are either for equality and freedom or against it. Don't say that you're for them and then say that we need to be capitalist. They cannot both be.

3. If you're against Marxism, be prepared to explain Marxism as it was provided by Marx. Don't say your against something and you don't know what the fuck it is.

4. I am legalizing marijuana, not just because it's stupid for it to be illegal, but so we can hotbox the White House.

5. Same-sex marriage is now legal. First 100 applicants to apply for same-sex marriage get to get married on the White House lawn and spend the night in one of the rooms.

6. From now on, we will have public elections on declaring war. If you vote yes, you personally to go to war. Let's see what you think about "stopping Kim Jung-Il" then.

7. I'm the fucking president. Quit talking so much shit about me. I waste absolutely no time in talking about any of you individually, so don't be a loser.

8. All trade and travel restrictions with/to Cuba are lifted. Go have a good time.

9. Health care is going to change from payment on treatment to payment for treatment and performance. No more getting paid because you did something that didn't do shit for the patient so the patient keeps returning for treatment. Kiss my ass, you snobby doctors. Catch the fucking bus for once.

10. If you don't believe in evolution, stick to your beliefs. Next time you are seriously sick, go to a doctor that did not learn anything that was discovered using the theory of evolution.

11. I'm going to the beach tomorrow to start a new yearly event: The Mid-Year Pig Roast. It will be a federal holiday.

12. All First Nations and Black people get to go to college for free. What?!

13. New economic plans start next week. Get ready for some shit.

[Pretty Flaco]

I would have a nationally televised speech and declare the following...because I, of course, would have ULTIMATE POOOOOWWWWEEEEERRRR!!!

1. The FFC is done. Fuck that shit. If you don't want to watch it, turn it off.

2. You are either for equality and freedom or against it. Don't say that you're for them and then say that we need to be capitalist. They cannot both be.

3. If you're against Marxism, be prepared to explain Marxism as it was provided by Marx. Don't say your against something and you don't know what the fuck it is.

4. I am legalizing marijuana, not just because it's stupid for it to be illegal, but so we can hotbox the White House.

5. Same-sex marriage is now legal. First 100 applicants to apply for same-sex marriage get to get married on the White House lawn and spend the night in one of the rooms.

6. From now on, we will have public elections on declaring war. If you vote yes, you personally to go to war. Let's see what you think about "stopping Kim Jung-Il" then.

7. I'm the fucking president. Quit talking so much shit about me. I waste absolutely no time in talking about any of you individually, so don't be a loser.

8. All trade and travel restrictions with/to Cuba are lifted. Go have a good time.

9. Health care is going to change from payment on treatment to payment for treatment and performance. No more getting paid because you did something that didn't do shit for the patient so the patient keeps returning for treatment. Kiss my ass, you snobby doctors. Catch the fucking bus for once.

10. If you don't believe in evolution, stick to your beliefs. Next time you are seriously sick, go to a doctor that did not learn anything that was discovered using the theory of evolution.

11. I'm going to the beach tomorrow to start a new yearly event: The Mid-Year Pig Roast. It will be a federal holiday.

12. All First Nations and Black people get to go to college for free. What?!

13. New economic plans start next week. Get ready for some shit.

I don't think you'd be a very popular president :p

[Amphictyonis]

And the congress agreed with you, would you declare war against Israel, and support the Palestinians?
No I simply wouldn't give Israel hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign (military) aid. I think Obama, in his first couple months in office, gave Israel upwards of 30 billions dollars in military aid.

[MarxistMan]

I think we got more economic problems here in USA than Israel. if i could do like Eddy Murphy in the movie "Trading Places" where he was poor and he traded being poor for being rich with Dan Akroyd. But in the real world of Americans there are no movies like Trading Places. The reality of the poor of USA is real hard and painful.

Poor americans will probably die as poor if they don't revolt like the egyptians

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The US is not Israel's "*****" although admittedly it does seem that way at times. The US ruling class does place limits,however wide, on what Israel can do. The Pollard spy case is an example. Israel more functions like the Gurkhas to the US' "British Empire", or more precisely Israel acts like the British Raj in India, which verged on semi-independence at times but was also a key part of British imperialism, with the US acting like the British Home Office.

Its about access and control of the oil supply. The US cannot tolerate Middle Eastern nationalism-any country using the resources foremost for their own development, in their own way.By dispossesing the local population, Israel has been forced to evolve as an isolated aggressive settler state at war with much of its entire region and thus has emerged as a US client state. This fits US needs very well. There are other directions Israel, with its socialist tradition (upon independence the Israeli CP was the biggest party) could have gone in,but we know what happened.

I don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of becoming POTUS. If I did I would aid worker's struggles worldwide, not make war on states.The left in the US should oppose the massive US aid to Israel, work to break to media propaganda, and educate people.

[dernier combat]

7. I'm the fucking president. Quit talking so much shit about me. I waste absolutely no time in talking about any of you individually, so don't be a loser.
You're not allowed to speak out against the government? I'd like to know what you'd think of such a policy if the roles were reversed... which is exactly how they are at the moment.

[Magón]

If I was Prez, I'd rather cut off military and other aid that fuels the Israeli State with waring aid, instead of go to war.

[FarewellSlavianka]

I would not declare war on Israel. There is no rational reason to. There would just be bloodshed, destruction and loss, just like every other war.

What I would do, is stop supporting and supplying Israel. US support is pretty much the only thing that's keeping it alive. Instead, I would supply Palestine with food and weapons to help them in their struggle against the Israeli oppressors. If all else fails, a good old coup would put the nail in the coffin.

[MarxistMan]

This is not related to the Middle East and Israel. But if I was president of USA, i would move The White House to an 80,000 dollars house, and the president would drive a Chevrolet Cavalier 2004 or a Mazda 323, and I would dress like Kurt Cobain, because luxuries, big houses, luxury cars, make me feel depressed and bored. And indeed, Nietzsche said that one pays a high price for owning economic power, and that price is that economic power and great wealth destroys the soul.

Another thing is that I would work in a Mcdonalds, earning about the same wage as a Mcdonalds worker. But i guess would be richer than a Mcdonalds worker today. Because under a socialist system Mcdonalds would be nationalized by the US government under state-control or workers-control

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And the congress agreed with you, would you declare war against Israel, and support the Palestinians?

[dernier combat]

Because under a socialist system Mcdonalds would be nationalized by the US government under state-control or workers-control.
You have a strange idea of socialism if a centralised and historically very repressive entity such as the United States government still exists. Workers' rule lies in the councils and communes that have been observed as a recurring and distinctive feature whenever workers have attempted to seize power from the capitalist classes.

[mosfeld]

Semi-related..

"If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize -- very publicly and very sincerely -- to all the widows and the orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. I would then announce that America's global interventions -- including the awful bombings -- have come to an end. And I would inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but "oddly enough" a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings and invasions. There would be more than enough money. Do you know what one year of the US military budget is equal to? One year. It's equal to more than $20,000 per hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated."
-William Blum

Even Osama endorsed this message.

[Scary Monster]

4. I am legalizing marijuana, not just because it's stupid for it to be illegal, but so we can hotbox the White House.

:lol::lol::lol:

[L.A.P.]

Ending recognition of Israel just creates more of a problem as well. There needs to be a solution that is beneficial to the Palestinians without being too hard on the Israelis. Do you think every single Israeli is some sort of racist bigot or warmongerer?

No, but I wouldn't recognize the State of Israel as a legitimate government. It has nothing to do with average Israeli people.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

That's a bit complicated. No governments are legitimate.Irael/Palestine is a "country" composed of several interescting but warring communities. The ruling class of community has overall hegomony and is opresssing the other community.

[Tomhet]

I'd impose economic sanctions against them and cut out all aid, let them know this behavior is totally reprehensible..

[Rafiq]

Hating Israel-government is not being anti-semitic. Hating jews, israeli citizens, israeli people is being anti-semitic.

Hating the Mexican government doesn't make you an anti-mexican racist.

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Yeah, but there are governments far worse than Israel's, so tell me why people would automatically bring that up, when a president could do so much more useful actions in favor of the working class?

[Fulanito de Tal]

You're not allowed to speak out against the government? I'd like to know what you'd think of such a policy if the roles were reversed... which is exactly how they are at the moment.


That's not a law. That's me telling you to go worry about something else cause I got this shit.

[MarxistMan]

LENINA: You are 100% right, most countries of this world are not legitimate, the nation-states are a scam and a trap to divide people in the world, so that a global oligarchic ruling elites can steal the whole wealth of the world, leaving the majority of humans with the crumbles

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That's a bit complicated. No governments are legitimate.Irael/Palestine is a "country" composed of several interescting but warring communities. The ruling class of community has overall hegomony and is opresssing the other community.

[Bardo]

And the congress agreed with you, would you declare war against Israel, and support the Palestinians?

No.

I would stop funding Israel and let the chips fall where they may. I would diminish the US's role as the international police force and let equilibrium take it's course.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i'd invade liechtenstein. why? because i can. your move, liechtenstein.

[Fulanito de Tal]

i'd invade liechtenstein. why? because i can. your move, liechtenstein.

As the supreme authority figure of Liechtenstein, I would change the name of the country to a confidential name and relocated so you wouldn't know where to send your troops.:p

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

As the supreme authority figure of Liechtenstein, I would change the name of the country to a confidential name and relocated so you wouldn't know where to send your troops.:p

i'd find you liechtenstein, mark my words ;).

[Wanted Man]

No, but I would stop being their *****.

Urrrrgh. *eats fist*

I'd probably start out by abolishing institutions like "president of the USA", "Congress", "Israel", etc.

[daleckian]

Why give even more money to the weapons manufacturers?

I'd take the money Israel gets in military aid and spend it on tractors which would be distributed to third world farmers. Let the Pals and Israelis deal with it themselves. Why go on an imperialistic war?

Such a simplistic mind. do you really think the global interests involved with farming, i.e, Cargill, Chiquita, etc. would really just let you run around helping out the farmers?

really? that naive?