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Babylon5 Crusade
15th September 2003, 16:44
Marxist Student Has Capitalist Parents
http://www.theonion.com/onion3416/marxist_student.html

THE BEST:


http://graphics.theonion.com/pics_3842/head_marxists_apartment.gif

AMHERST, MA—The filthy, disorganized apartment shared by three members of the Amherst College Marxist Society is a microcosm of why the social and economic utopia described in the writings of Karl Marx will never come to fruition, sources reported Monday.

http://graphics.theonion.com/pics_3842/marxists_apartment.jpg
Above: Marxists Kirk Dorff and Josh Foyle.

"The history of society is the inexorable history of class struggle," said sixth-year undergraduate Kirk Dorff, 23, resting his feet on a coffee table cluttered with unpaid bills, crusted cereal bowls, and bongwater-stained socialist pamphlets. "The stage is set for the final struggle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, the true productive class. We're well aware of that here at 514 W. Elm Street, unlike other apartments on this supposedly intellectual campus."

Upon moving in together at the beginning of the fall 2001 semester, Dorff, Josh Foyle, and Tom Eaves sat down and devised an egalitarian system for harmonious living. Each individual roommate would be assigned a task, which he would be required to carry out on a predetermined day of the week. A bulletin board in the kitchen was chosen as the spot for household announcements, and to track reimbursements for common goods like toothpaste and toilet paper.

"We were creating an exciting new model for living," said Dorff, stubbing his cigarette into an ashtray that had not been emptied in six days. "It was like we were dismantling the apparatus of the state right within our own living space."

Despite the roommates' optimism, the system began to break down soon after its establishment. To settle disputes, the roommates held weekly meetings of the "Committee of Three."

"I brought up that I thought it was total bullshit that I'm, like, the only one who ever cooks around here, yet I have to do the dishes, too," said Foyle, unaware of just how much the apartment underscores the infeasibility of scientific socialism as outlined in Das Kapital. "So we decided that if I cook, someone else has to do the dishes. We were going to rotate bathroom-cleaning duty, but then Kirk kept skipping his week, so we had to give him the duty of taking out the garbage instead. But now he has a class on Tuesday nights, so we switched that with the mopping."

After weeks of complaining that he was the only one who knew how to clean "halfway decent," Foyle began scaling back his efforts, mirroring the sort of production problems experienced in the USSR and other Soviet bloc nations.

At an Oct. 7 meeting of the Committee of Three, more duties and a point system were added. Two months later, however, the duty chart is all but forgotten and the shopping list is several pages long.

http://graphics.theonion.com/pics_3842/marxists_apartment_jump.jpg
Above: Dishes and seminal Marxist tracts pile up in the kitchen sink.

The roommates have also tried to implement a food-sharing system, with similarly poor results. The dream of equal distribution of shared goods quickly gave way to pilferage, misallocation, and hoarding.

"I bought the peanut butter the first four times, and this Organic Farms shit isn't cheap," Eaves said. "So ever since, I've been keeping it in my dresser drawer. If Kirk wants to make himself a sandwich, he can run to the corner store and buy some Jif."

Another failed experiment involves the cigarettes bought collectively. Disagreements constantly arose over who smoked more than his fair share of the group's supply of American Spirit Blues, and the roommates now hide individually purchased packs from each other—especially late at night when shortages are frequent.

The situation is familiar to Donald Browning, author of Das Kouch: A History Of College Marxism, 1970-1998.

"When workers willfully become less productive, the economy of the household suffers," Browning said. "But in a society where a range of ability naturally exists, someone is bound to object to picking up the slack for others and end up getting all pissy, like Josh does."

According to Browning, the group's lack of productivity pervades their lives, with roommates encouraging each other to skip class or work to sit on the couch smoking pot and talking politics.

"A spirit of free-market competition in the house would likely result in better incomes or better grades," Browning said. "Then, instead of being hated and ostracized by the world at large as socialist countries usually are, they could maintain effective diplomacy with their landlord, their parents, and Kirk's boss who cut back his hours at Shaman Drum Books."

The lack of funds and the resulting scarcity breeds not only discontent but also corruption. Although collectivism only works when all parties contribute to the fullest extent, Foyle hid the existence of a $245 paycheck from roommates so he would not have to pay his back rent, in essence refusing to participate in the forced voluntary taxation that is key to socialism. Even worse, Dorff, who is entrusted with bill collection and payment, recently pocketed $30, a theft he claimed was "for the heating bill" but was put toward buying drinks later that night.

"As is human nature, power tends to corrupt even the noblest of men," Browning said. "The more power the collective has over the lives of the individuals, as is the case in this household, the more he who is in charge of distribution has to gain by being unscrupulous. These Marxists will soon realize they overestimated how much control they would like 514 W. Elm as an entity to have."

Source: http://www.theonion.com/onion3842/marxists..._apartment.html (http://www.theonion.com/onion3842/marxists_apartment.html)

(*
15th September 2003, 16:57
You do realize that they make up these "news" articles.

Rastafari
15th September 2003, 17:05
I think its hilarious

Babylon5 Crusade
15th September 2003, 17:12
All Satires has some truths.

Hampton
15th September 2003, 17:25
This has truth to it?

White House Denied Third Mortgage
WASHINGTON, DC—In light of recent budget concerns, President and Mrs. Bush attempted to take out a third mortgage on the White House Monday, but were denied. "Unfortunately, we're unable to serve the president's needs at this time," Washington Mutual loan officer Judy Schamanski told reporters. "Within the next 30 days, Mr. Bush will receive an adverse-action notice in the mail, which will outline the specific reasons for the denial. But, for starters, I would suggest that he get current on his second mortgage before he even considers a third." Schamanski added that Bush is more than welcome to reapply in the future, should his credit profile improve.

Loknar
15th September 2003, 18:33
Well, just shows that Communism doesn’t work. Those guys have no incentive to clean their apartment. Their Commune has failed.

Sovietski Soyuz
15th September 2003, 18:40
You take the fucking Onion seriously?

This article is from the people who brought you jems of journalism like:

"Christ Converts to Islam"
"US Deploys 'Special Forces' to Iraq" ("special" as in mentally retarded)
"Starbucks Baristas Attack!"

And so many more...

chamo
15th September 2003, 18:52
http://graphics.theonion.com/pics_3842/marxists_apartment.jpg
Firstly, this guy has the same poster as me.

Also, taking seriously what the Onion says is about as reasonable of believing anything in Fox News or the Daily Mail. :lol:

Som
15th September 2003, 21:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 06:33 PM
Well, just shows that Communism doesn’t work. Those guys have no incentive to clean their apartment. Their Commune has failed.
Well, to be fair, when 5 passengers set sail that day for a 3 hour tour, what ended up was a nice little island commune, coconut technology and everything, its proof, communism works.

Now, who are we going to trust, gilligan (the skipper too, the millionare, and his wife, the movie star, the professor and mary anne, here on gilligan's isle), or kirk dorf?

I think gilligan is quite clearly the winner here.

pfft, kirk.

suffianr
16th September 2003, 00:08
This is such old news it's not even funny.

Urban Rubble
16th September 2003, 00:24
Great post Som, that was fucking hilarious.

Anyway, even if this article was real, it would prove nothing that these guys are complete lazy douche bags incapable of even cleaning their own living space.

Babylon5 Crusade
16th September 2003, 01:28
Originally posted by Som+Sep 15 2003, 09:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Som @ Sep 15 2003, 09:38 PM)
[email protected] 15 2003, 06:33 PM
Well, just shows that Communism doesn’t work. Those guys have no incentive to clean their apartment. Their Commune has failed.
Well, to be fair, when 5 passengers set sail that day for a 3 hour tour, what ended up was a nice little island commune, coconut technology and everything, its proof, communism works.

Now, who are we going to trust, gilligan (the skipper too, the millionare, and his wife, the movie star, the professor and mary anne, here on gilligan&#39;s isle), or kirk dorf?

I think gilligan is quite clearly the winner here.

pfft, kirk. [/b]
Well the Soviet Union had 50 years to show that Commiunism worked. Guess what happen in 1991?

China becomming more Capitalistc.

North Korea: Stalinic Dictatorship

Cuba: Stalinic Dictatorship

Gota love Communism&#33; I want to live under a Stalin like regime&#33;

Som
16th September 2003, 01:46
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Don't Change Your Name
16th September 2003, 02:57
that&#39;s stupid


please post pics of an efficient "capitalist" university apartment.

Urban Rubble
16th September 2003, 03:10
If you think Cuba is a stalinist dictatorship, you really have no clue what you&#39;re talking about.

Also, the Soviet Union had 75 years.

elijahcraig
16th September 2003, 03:55
Stalinic? ahhahahahahah

commie kg
16th September 2003, 04:29
Originally posted by Babylon5 Crusade+Sep 15 2003, 05:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Babylon5 Crusade @ Sep 15 2003, 05:28 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 09:38 PM

[email protected] 15 2003, 06:33 PM
Well, just shows that Communism doesn’t work. Those guys have no incentive to clean their apartment. Their Commune has failed.
Well, to be fair, when 5 passengers set sail that day for a 3 hour tour, what ended up was a nice little island commune, coconut technology and everything, its proof, communism works.

Now, who are we going to trust, gilligan (the skipper too, the millionare, and his wife, the movie star, the professor and mary anne, here on gilligan&#39;s isle), or kirk dorf?

I think gilligan is quite clearly the winner here.

pfft, kirk.
Well the Soviet Union had 50 years to show that Commiunism worked. Guess what happen in 1991?

China becomming more Capitalistc.

North Korea: Stalinic Dictatorship

Cuba: Stalinic Dictatorship

Gota love Communism&#33; I want to live under a Stalin like regime&#33; [/b]
That there post really proves how much you know about communism.

CubanFox
16th September 2003, 10:41
Cuba&#39;s supposed to be quite nice. Far better than its neighbours (bar the US)

Babylon5 Crusade
16th September 2003, 16:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 10:41 AM
Cuba&#39;s supposed to be quite nice. Far better than its neighbours (bar the US)
Ohhh Cuba is a great place to live&#33;

Man its great to be a onviolent dissidents, independent journalists, human rights defender, independent librarian, and others brave enough to challenge the government. Man being in prison for 28 years gona be fun.

HRW: http://www.hrw.org/americas/cuba.php

YKTMX
16th September 2003, 18:03
Originally posted by Babylon5 Crusade+Sep 16 2003, 04:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Babylon5 Crusade @ Sep 16 2003, 04:21 PM)
[email protected] 16 2003, 10:41 AM
Cuba&#39;s supposed to be quite nice. Far better than its neighbours (bar the US)


Man being in prison for 28 years gona be fun.

[/b]
Yeah, just ask Mumia Abu-Jamal.

Hampton
16th September 2003, 18:18
And these (http://www.prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/pplist-alpha.shtml) people...

Loknar
16th September 2003, 18:36
What about them Hampton? Did they do something wrong?

Loknar
16th September 2003, 18:46
Hampton, this website is bullshit. I recognize some of the prisoners:

Puerto Rican Political Prisoners and POWs granted clemency
Edwin Cortés
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/edwin.htm and prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/edwin-cortes.html

Elizam Escobar
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/elizam.htm and prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/elizam-escobar.html

Ricardo Jiménez
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/ricardo.htm and prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/ricardo-jimenez.html

Adolfo Matos
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/adolfo-matos.html and www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/adolfo.htm

Dylcia Pagán
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/dylcia-pagan.htmland www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/dylcia.htm

Alberto Rodríguez
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Chicago
Web: www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/alberto.htm and prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/alberto-rodriguez.html

Alicia Rodríguez
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/alicia-rodriguez.html and www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/alicia.htm

Ida Luz (Lucy) Rodríguez
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/ida-luz-rodriguez.html and www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/lucy.htm

Luis Rosa
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: http://www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/luis.htmand prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/luis-rosa.html

Alejandrina Torres
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Chicago
Web: prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/alejandrina-torres.html and www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/alejandrina.htm

Carmen Valentín
Granted clemency September 1999; welcomed back to Puerto Rico
Web: www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/carmen.htm and prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/carmen-valentin.html


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These bastards committed acts of terrorism, Clinton freed them to get his wife in good with the Latinos of New York (she as running for the Senate). These guys deserve to remain in jail. I notice that the web page doesn’t have any info on WHY they were arrested.

To compare these people with Cuban political prisoners is a complete joke.

Hampton
16th September 2003, 19:35
Can you even name some of these prisoners in Cuba?

Edwin Cortés was charged with "seditious conspiracy" whatever the hell that means and was in prison for 16 years because of it. Same with Elizam Escobar, Alberto Rodríguez, and Adolfo Matos, Escobar got a 68-year prison sentence on seditious conspiracy and related charges, Adolfo, who got 70 years, charged with the same thing got to spend his prison term 23 hours a day locked up in solitary and couldn&#39;t talk to other prisoners or use the phone. The government&#39;s assault on those who want independence for Puerto Rico goes back a long way. I wouldn&#39;t be to quick to label them terrorists when what they got charged with is so vague.

If you want to know they&#39;re in prison it&#39;s not like you have to go to the Library of Congress to find out type in the name and look.

Babylon5 Crusade
16th September 2003, 19:39
Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX+Sep 16 2003, 06:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YouKnowTheyMurderedX @ Sep 16 2003, 06:03 PM)
Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 16 2003, 04:21 PM

[email protected] 16 2003, 10:41 AM
Cuba&#39;s supposed to be quite nice. Far better than its neighbours (bar the US)


Man being in prison for 28 years gona be fun.


Yeah, just ask Mumia Abu-Jamal. [/b]
What the bastard cop killer&#33;

Hampton
16th September 2003, 21:08
You missed the point even before Mumia went to trial he was targeted by police and other governmental outfits for his activities with the BPP, MOVE, and for being a radical journalist and radio DJ who exposed the corruption of the police and their brutality.

Babylon5 Crusade
16th September 2003, 22:05
FRY HIM&#33;
http://www.northernalliance.ca/activism/ht...tml/Flyer01.htm (http://www.northernalliance.ca/activism/html/Flyer01.htm)

Myths about Mumia:
http://www.danielfaulkner.com/mythsdir.html

The Truth&#33;
http://www.danielfaulkner.com/

http://www.mastalk.com/images/DanielFaulkner3.jpg
http://www.danielfaulkner.com/Graphics/splash.gif

Hampton
16th September 2003, 22:29
Yea all those pictures gets the point across real good without discussing the facts of the trial. Nice link to the Northern Alliance too, asshole. Go here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=6743&st=0) and see some facts that I wrote.

Whooooo&#33; Pictures get my point across&#33;

http://www.freemumia.com/mumia-innocent.jpg

http://www.tuftsprimarysource.org/issues/20/07/images/mumia.jpg

http://www.sf-fan.de/sf-buch/artikel/mumia.jpg

elijahcraig
16th September 2003, 23:27
He is most definitely innocent. But I’d support him anyway. The Panthers and BLA have gunned down cops before. They are the enemy.

canikickit
17th September 2003, 00:29
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 07:33 PM
Well, just shows that Communism doesn’t work. Those guys have no incentive to clean their apartment. Their Commune has failed.
"Just shows"........it´s a few A4 pages of funny writing, not an argument against an idea.

CubanFox
17th September 2003, 00:32
Babylon, by posting a link to a Nazi site, you have utterly destroyed your own credibility. Nice work&#33;

Babylon5 Crusade
17th September 2003, 04:14
What? Showing a site support of killed Police officer make you a nazi too. Whats next? A site supporting the US Airfoce Pilot who was probaly killed by Iraq&#39;s military in the 1991 war makes you a Nazi? :blink:

elijahcraig
17th September 2003, 04:16
Great comparison, now you’re coming along.

Babylon5 Crusade
17th September 2003, 04:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 10:29 PM
Nice link to the Northern Alliance too, asshole
Thanks found it at Google.com&#33;

I also guess this:
http://www.danielfaulkner.com/Graphics/grantlogo.jpg

Funds Racism too right? :rolleyes:

elijahcraig
17th September 2003, 04:27
-We gots’ta protects’awhr own, jethro.
-But there is no evidence-
-FRY EM~&#33;

Loknar
17th September 2003, 04:54
So the cops are the enemy now?

(*
17th September 2003, 05:12
Let&#39;s stick with the photos, eh

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/26/dc.march/link.amadou.diallo.jpg

http://www.uudpr.org/dorismond.GIF

elijahcraig
17th September 2003, 05:15
What the fuck do you mean “now”?

Hampton
17th September 2003, 20:58
Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 16 2003, 11:14 PM
What? Showing a site support of killed Police officer make you a nazi too. Whats next? A site supporting the US Airfoce Pilot who was probaly killed by Iraq&#39;s military in the 1991 war makes you a Nazi? :blink:
Are you trying to say that the National Alliance isn&#39;t a white supremacist group?

BuyOurEverything
17th September 2003, 21:24
http://www.northernalliance.ca/activism/ht...tml/Flyer01.htm

Wow, that was informative.

Xvall
17th September 2003, 21:29
I found that pretty funny as well. However, I&#39;m quite positive that if I posted a satirical article about some dorm apartment being a microcosm of why right-wingers are stupid, you wouldn&#39;t take me seriously. Anyways; yeah, it&#39;s kind of funny in a way. Just don&#39;t expect this to hold up in an argument. Additionally, considering that your nation has a &#39;Patriot Act&#39;, and you will arrest hundreds of thousands of people each year simply for possesing an &#39;evil plant&#39;; you have no right to complain about Cuba.

As to the NA thing, I think he just doesn&#39;t quite realize that he is associating himself with nazism by linking images to a nazi site. Keep in mind, these are the same kinds of guys that hand American-Nazi friendship rallys before they got involved in WWII.

Babylon5 Crusade
19th September 2003, 21:07
More great articals&#33;

BOLSHEVIKS DIVIDE TUNDRA WASTELAND EQUALLY
http://www.dsklyar.com/humor/theOnion/onion_icon.gifNovember 18, 1920
Communist idea of wealth distribution means plot of barren ice for every citizen

LENIN DEAD FROM MASSIVE &#39;STROKE OF THE PEOPLE&#39;; GLORIOUS LACK OF OXYGEN DISTRIBUTED EQUALLY THROUGH BRAIN
http://www.dsklyar.com/humor/theOnion/onion_icon.gif January 23, 1924
Brain parts shut down like proletarian workers laying down tools to paralyze bourgeois factory owner. Cerebral hemorrhage of Glorious Red Blood declared &#39;heroic victory for the communist vanguard&#39;

http://www.slowwave.com/Img/s02/sAPAbea.gif