Swedish Warplanes Integrated Into NATO's Air Patrols

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Most of what you wrote was right, but I haven't seen any anti-canadianism in Sweden. In Sweden, Norway and Finland, the great national hatred was, is and will be for Russia. In general, Russia is not only seen as an enemy, but Russians are seen as generally bad people (all Russian leaders are either mobsters or KGB assassins, all Russian males are lazy alcoholics and all Russian females are beautiful prostitutes).

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You are NOT a ''democratic'' country. you are in fact a proto-fascistic neo-liberal/ neo-con monarchy populated by an apathetic, hyperconsumeristic, pseudo-yuppie ETHNO-RACIST population which exhibits a passive-aggressive disdain for immigrants.

Uhh. I agree with you that Sweden is one hell of an elitistic country, but where the fuck have I defended the current Swedish political discourse or said anything positive about Sweden for that matter?


the narrative of emergentism associated with the danish far right calls for asserting ''nordic'' interests west of greenland and in the arctic. the sea borders with canada are not clearly defined. the swedish and norwegian far right fully support this position in context of calling for asserting national interests and ''rebuilding military capabilities''.

The Swedish Alliance government and the Soc-Dems are jumping for the USA, not for Denmark. I would guess the SD would do that as well. To my knowledge, there is not a conflict between USA and Canada.



thank you for admitting to the existence of endemic slavo-phobia in scandinavia. its not only ''russians'' that are seen as ''bad peolple'', african migrants are also percieved as a threat, not to mention muslims. there is pathology of racism and xenophobia in scandinavia in general, and in sweden in particular.


"Admitting"? It is pretty obvious that there is profound Slavophobia in Sweden.

In terms of Muslims and Africans though, there isn't so much state-sanctioned racism, and the Alliance government for example refuses to cooperate with the fascists. Denmark is way worse in that aspect.

And no, I am not an ethnic Swede. I'm a Half-Latino Swede, so I know how Swedish racism is working. When I was six years, I was put in a special pre-school language group for immigrant children, despite that my Swedish was academic at that age.



my greatest hope is that some day, after the United States is not there to protect you, that A VERY LARGE RUSSIAN INVASION FORCE WILL SWEEP IN AND CRUSH YOUR STATE. then maybe all the undocumented and deported victims of Swedish State xenophobia and ethno-racism will get JUSTICE.

(even if the russians shoot me for being ''black'' (http://roseoftokio.blogspot.com/), at least I'll die satisfied in seeing you occupied, humilliated and dismantled.)

I am sorry to say it, but you need to examine your head - thoroughly.



I AM OUT FOR REVENGE, SVEN

I am not an ethnic Swede.

I do not even define myself as a Swede. Have always seen myself as a world citizen.

So where the fuck have you got the idea that I somehow defend the Swedish state?

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Haha what a troll. :rolleyes:

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of course it is not ''openly sanctioned''. if they did that they would expose themselves. So now you apologise for the Alliance Regime- which has banned undocumented people from the healthcare service for two and a half years, and has deported hundreds of asylum seekers to war zones and similar hell holes every year. Are you aware that PEOPLE HAVE DIED as a result of being cut off from critical healthcare treatment between June of 2008 and March of 2011?

Yes, I am aware of that. I am just disputing that results and intent are identical. As far as I'll know, undocumented people are allowed the same healthcare benefits as Swedes following the recent agreement with the Green Party. If the Alliance had been racist, I am sure they had reached an agreement with the SD. You know very well the SD would have jumped on that opportunity.

The Alliance are mostly attacking people who are unemployed and sick, through for example Fas 3, which is a reinstitution of slavery.


I will uppen the ante for you: My greatest wish to see Sweden humiliated, brought down, occupied, destroyed, in ruins. Lets see if the Nordic "master race'' can survive without American protection.

Most Swedes probably know that the Swedish defence sucks ass and that Sweden would be taken by Russia in about 30 minutes.


I see that you have ''integrated'' yourself well into their system. you even see yourself as one of them; a "citizen of the world". trouble is that when push comes to shove, they will do to you what the Germans are doing to their legal immigrants. when it comes time for the "multicultural society to fail" they will get rid of you. Swedes will not sacrifice themselves for you. THEY do not consider YOU one of THEM, and they never will...and you know it.

I am a half-breed and born in Sweden, so I doubt they would get rid of me. :cool:

The only thing which appears foreign with me is a somewhat different skin pigmentation and my name.

I understand if you are angry, but I wonder if you have read the recent news about the agreement between the government and the Green Party.

From what I've seen, the Alliance are more "Fascist" in their treatment of "weak groups" in general than immigrants explicitly. Also, I would claim that Swedes in general are quite much more racist than their government, the reason why most Swedes is not voting for the Sweden Democrats is because Swedes are pretty submissive towards authorities, and the authorities dislike the SD.

Even Anti-Racist Swedes are Racist, by their assumption that Non-Europeans per definition are victims who are in need of constant pampering.

Most western nations are racist though.

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if the Alliance regime was ''not racist'', as you claim; then it would not have implemented the ban in the first place, it would not have deported a certain leukemic boy to his death in iraq, and it would not have permitted tactical intel to be fed to NATO in context of facilitating air assults against villagers in Afghanistan. the Alliance regime is not only attacking the unemployed and people on pensions, it is utilising the green wash cover given to it by the agreement with the greens in order to intensify its ongoing assault upon undocumented people, stateless lumpen elements like myself and asylum seekers. this is your blind spot: you buy into the green wash.

The Social Democratic government prior to that was equally bad. Also remember that Sweden doesn't actually have the departments in control of the civil service. The Migration is under control of the Migration Authority which is under control by an appointed general director, with the power to institute policies independent of the government. There has been lots of racism within that authority.


this comment exemplifies whty the Swedish left is in such a state of bankruptcy. so your hope is not in the struggle, your hope is in ''Swedes being submissive towards authorities''. the green wash associated with the ''ban reversal'' is the cover for a much more brutal assault on immigrants in general and the undocumented in particular. that is why the alliance needs the green party, to cover for them. interesting is the use of the term "weak". we ''field negroes'' are not ''weak'' unless we allow it to be that way. quite the contrary we are a latent and potential threat to the system, that is why they want to eliminate us from the picture. this is why the LÖ actively oppossed efforts to organise the undocumented workers. as to undocumented immigrants sui generis, in case you have not noticed , we are not even considered people. we are considered non-persons.

With "weak people", I meant people who are victimised by society in general, like those who are dying of cancer and yet forced to work. You seem to misinterpret everything I am writing.

Reinfeldt's ideology is based around turning those who have jobs and safety nets against those who are unemployed. It has worked so far. I have just noted what the discourse of the day is, not my own opinions. I don't think that you are weak or a victim in need of pampering, I just described the attitudes prevalent in society. That does not mean that I condone them.

The reason why Swedes in general today don't vote for racist parties, is so far as my analysis goes that the Moderates and the Social Democrats have refused to cooperate with the racists. If they start doing it, the establishment will give a signal to the people that it is acceptable to vote for the Sweden Democrats.

I estimate that the SD could actually get around 30% of the votes in future elections, and become the largest party of the Riksdag.

As you yourself previously have written, there is a huge undercurrent of racism within the Swedish people.


if the Swedish left had any spine it would call for REPARATIONS to the victims of the ban, and it would call for a Human Rights Tribunal to be convened to prosecute Swedish political class operatives and bureaucrats who instituted the ban back in June 2008; to be tried for crimes against humanity. between the families with ill children who where deported, children who suffered irreparable psychological damage and the children murdered by NATO airstrikes in Afghanistan with Swedish military assistance there should be enough of a case. but of course, the ''Nordic Master Race'' could not possibly be guilty of such horrors, specially so since Sweden is a "humanitarian utopia". the Swedish left mirriors the hypocrisy of the Swedish political class: you correctly denounce Gaddafi for (allegedly) launching air strikes on civilians, but you do not denounbce Swedish assistace to NATO in the conduct of air strikes against villagers in Afghanistan.

Actually, Bildt did not denounce Gaddafi initially. He waited until Obama said that Gaddafi had to go. Before that, he said "we should strive to not choose any faction above another and work for talks to reach a compromise".

I agree that it is horrible, but the problem is that the majority of the people seemingly approve such measures. I am sure that if Reinfeldt built concentration camps for suspected, potential "terrorists" in Norrland tomorrow, the people would either yawn or tacitly approve, while the Social Democrats would say "tsk tsk tsk" and the right-wing blogosphere jump them for being "terrorist enablers".

Swedes would generally only start to bark at the Reinfeldt government when their own economic interests are threatened. There is a minority, mostly within the autonomous left and the evangelical movements who are caring about others, but the majority seem to judge everything based on their own individual lives.

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of course the social democrat regime was as bad. the swedish political calss is a de facto monolith. they all agree on premises, they only package those premises in different colors and sell it as ''multiparty democracy''.

an undocumented immigrant political party would never be allowed into the parliament, but the neo-fascist SD is allowed into it. the reason they allowed them in is to project an image of ''democractic accountability'', so that then they can pretend that sweden is an ''open society''. open to the racists, but closed to the undocumented. The fact that the SD is in the parliament amounts to a tacit acceptance and legitimation of their racist politics.

it is not true that Swedish immigration policy is ''independent''. the Migration board is ultimately bound to follow immigration directives from the EU (such as the ''return directive'' which mandates immediate removal of undocumented persons, in the manner of the USA Indian Removal Act of the 1870's.), and Tullverket is bound to collaborate with their counterparts in the other countries who are signatories of the Shengen agreement. for example: Tullverket has deported many africans migrants back to italy (because, as the Shengen agreement stipulates, that was the first place in the EU they landed), some of these unfortunates found their way to camps in Lybian desert set up by collaboration between Gaddafi and the Italian government. so indirectly; Tullverket has collaborated with Gaddafi.

It's pretty independent from whatever the government is doing. I highly doubt Reinfeldt knows or cares about the fate of every undocumented person. In some cases, the government has intervened and made extraditions possible, such as in the CIA travels to the torture dungeons of Egypt.


the political class has not ''refused to cooperate with the racists''. they have allowed them into the parliament, THAT is what has legitimated the racist politics of the SD in the first place. this side of Swedish involvement in Afghanistan and the healthcare ban; the Riksdag are an assembly of human rights criminals. a ''multiparty'' version of the ROMAN SENATE. to paraphrase Karl Marx, the Swedish political class functions as the committe for the administration of the collective interests of the financial oligarchies and corporate interests that ultimately are behind ''sweden''. the SD is being kept on ice in case the unemployed and ''undocumented negroes'' get out of line and ''go egyptian''.

A party which is getting over 4% of the support of the electorate will enter the Parliament, no matter what. To deny them entry would be to change the constitution or make it defunct (In Sweden, no political party could be banned), but the Government is rather cooperating with the Greens than the Sweden Democrats. The Alliance Government is indifferent towards those who are lower middle class and below, including undocumented persons.


of course Bildt waited for a phone call from obama, because Sweden is an USA satellite. bildt is your typical proconsul, he takes orders from hillary clinton. his statements are vetted by the state department in washington, he also has connections with the CIA. he is an asset. just like Gaddafi.

the reply to the ''right-wing'' blogosphere is a left wing blogosphere backed by grassroots based anti-parliamentary, anti-political class oppositional organising activity involving unemployed workers, the undocumented workers; pensioners targetted for cuts: with an eye on encouraging the employed industrial workers rank and file to break with the LÖ. if you can capture the base of the LÖ you crush it. this is not impossible.

a number of african migrants transfered to italy by tullverket ended up in camps in the north african desert.

Yes, this is a European problem, which would last as long as the current ruling establishment in the EU holds power.



i know. i myself have benefited from survival assistance from the swedish version of the christian left. ;)

but i still want the swedish state crushed. one way or the other. preferably from within by a tunisia style revolt of unemployed and undocumented people acting independently from the political class.

less preferably from an outside invasion force...

either russians or extraterrestrial aliens will do. :rolleyes:

For the sake of revenge?

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I thought this would be a serious thread.

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according to the EU return directive we are suppossed to be removed, forcibly. Sweden is a signatory of the Schengen migration control regime. it is not true that Swedish immigration policy is independent of European Union directives and treaties. a recurrent theme in your comments seems to be that Sweden is somehow ''independent'' from the EU and that it can be extricated from Scandinavia. this is a nationalistic illusion. insofar as Sweden collaborates with NATO as a subordinate to United States imperialist interests in Afghanistan and over the Baltic states airspace it is definitely no ''independent''. its behaviour is very much like that of a satellite state. the evolution of the comments enunciated by Bildt relative to the Lybia Crisis (to which you pointed to previously), demonstrate clearly that Swedish foreign policy is subordinate to USA imperialist interests. There is also the example of the Assange extradition case.



i am aware that the alliance regime regards undocumented persons as non-persons. i am reminded of this fact on a day to day basis. a political party representing undocumented immigrants would never be allowed into the parliament, because we are not granted political rights in your "democratic utopia". on the other hand the racist SD is allowed into it. this amounts to de facto legitimation of their point of view while deliberately ignoring its anti-thesis. in a legitimate democracy we would be represented by an independent undocumented immigrant party to balance out the SD. the same aplies to organising undocumented workers. i am a member of the undocumented workers union effort organised by the Syndicalists and other Swedish left organisations (about the only good thing the Swedish left has going) ; i know for a fact that he LÖ is oppossed to organising the undocumented. this is not a ''democratic'' attitude by any means.

i have already replied to your objection about the green-alliance embedding previously: the agreement with the greens over the reversal of the previous ban on access to health care for undocumented persons is a publicity stunt on the part of the alliance regime. a very clever one. it is a classical example of ''humanitarian propaganda'' for domestic consumption. this agreement aims at polishing the alleged "anti-racist'' image of the Alliance. the greens are performing their role as facilitators of green wash for the neo-cons. the Alliance Regime is still keeping to the ''restrictive asylum policy''. and the fact that they are allowing undocumented people back into the healthcare system and undocumented children back into the school system does not make up for the fact that for the past two and a half years the ban was in place a number of undocumented people DIED as a result of it, and the impact of being relegated to isolation caused irreversible psychological damage to the children of undocumented families.




on what grounds do you expect me as an undocumented person to be ''forgiving'' of the Swedish State ? I have put this question across to members of the Christian Anarchist community which i mentioned in my previous post; they have replied to this question with Jesus quotes about forgiving your enemies.

I expect from you a Secular Left argument.

I. Uh? I have said the contrary. Sweden is a puppet of the USA and the EU. You seem to interpret everything as meaning the opposite of itself.

II. A party representing the interests of undocumented persons would come in if it gained more than 4% of the votes. It would of course have to rely on getting enough people with citizenship to vote on themselves. Parties are not "allowed" to enter the Riksdag, they get in if they get above 4% of the votes.

III. People are making suicides every day in Sweden because of Draconian policies and falling between the chairs of various bureaucracies. I don't expect the Alliance to acknowledge or apologise for that. More likely, they blame the victims for their own victimisation.

IV. I don't expect you to be "forgiving". It is not a matter of revenge vs forgiveness. The problem with you is that you seem to humanise those who wronged you, and want them to feel human responsibility and be punished. For me, the main issue is not that the adversaries (whoever they might be) should feel anything or suffer, but that they simply should cease to become adversaries, either through unconditional surrender or their destruction. What they feel or not feel during that process is of total indifference to me.

I mean, could you blame a snake for biting you? Could you blame a hornet for stinging you? Could you blame a bear for hitting you?

Just view Reinfeldt like you would view a scorpion, or a pile of bacteria in a microscope.

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exactly. a hypothetical undocumented immigrant party would have to rely on the votes of people with citizenship. ergo: we have no political rights. on the other hand: the SD racists can vote. the whole situation is RIGGED to favour the racists. to me this is perfectly clear. i do not understand how you can qualify this type of situation as "democratic". I am sorry, but I do not agree with you that the swedish political system can be considered a ''democratic system ''given this inherent bias. i do not care about the constitutional legal BS. that is just aesthetics. i look at objective outcomes. if the political class are going to allow the racists to have a platform in the parliament and call themselves ''democracy'' then the political class should allow its anti-thesis to have a platform in the parliament.You are reasoning teleologically, that everything has a purpose which roots back to your situation. The main problem is that the world is divided in 200 recognised and non-recognised nation states. In order to vote in such a political unit, you often need to have citizenship. There are many things in our society which are favouring racists, but that is one that is general for like - all countries. It would have been racist if it had been like Apartheid, Israel's "right of return" laws or "White Australia".



the basis of our disagreement Dimentio, boils down to that you believe that ''one man one vote'' equals ''democracy''. i see ''democracy'' in socialist terms as an objective outcome of a given set of political-economic dynamics: political participatory and popular democracy premised upon economic democracy. economic democracy presupposses working class rule. working class rule presupposses a developed industrial base. a ''constitution'' is not what makes a ''democracy''; rather it is the NATURE OF THE POLITICAL ECONOMY and its social outcomes that defines the status of democracy or un-democracy. I am talking about what we have now, not what we should have.

For example, if I write that "Palestinian Arabs are discriminated in Israel", it is not a statement of support, but a neutral statement. What I have disagreed with you on are a few fact-related details which you seem to interpret in strange ways. If for example one guy would write on these forums that 11 million Jews died in German death camps, and I corrected him with, "no, six million Jews died", it doesn't make me an apologist for Hitler, since he was factually incorrect.

In terms of democracy, I tend to think that the only two limits democracy should have should be in terms of human rights and environmental rights. People should have the right to decide everything democratically, except A) if they vote to break human rights, B) if they act or vote in a manner which hurt the environment's ability to give future generations access to resources.


yes, objectively speaking, the enemy is human; but perhaps i do tend to humanise my enemies. this is probably because being undocumented is a personal issue that has political and social implications. but i will take your advise. the way i see it: surviving the system is a political act of resistance. the christian anarchists that i have associated with call this ''passive resistance''; a form of non-violent civil disobedience.

Active resistance is needed, but vengeance tend to afflict the judgement in negative ways.

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one comment: which people ? who are these people ? what is their class background ? what are their class interests ?

The people of planet Earth?

No matter who you are, you need sunlight, water, food and shelter.

A socialist state is not much worth if a part of the population is dying of starvation.

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The people of planet Earth?
No matter who you are, you need sunlight, water, food and shelter.
A socialist state is not much worth if a part of the population is dying of starvation.

All men are NOT brothers ... (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1885hist.htm)

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All men are NOT brothers ... (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1885hist.htm)

No, but what I care for is how people are supposed to live in a hundred or two hundred years. It is not for any idealistic reason, but for survival reasons. The ecosystems will collapse around 2070 if not a global change is occurring.

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I always find it weird when people use nationalist-based generalizations or insults in an effort to judge the nationalism of other people. Don't know if that makes sense, I'm a bit drunk.

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sweden joining the long list of terrorist nations from europe well done well

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