The utter failure of the Left

[Milk Sheikh]

Who's fighting against imperialism in Israel? Hamas and other Islamic organizations, not one communist org.
In Iraq and Afghanistan? Again, no communists, only Islamic groups.
Even in the revolution in Egypt, Muslim brotherhood played a role and not communist orgs.

Point is, communist orgs are virtually nonexistent in areas where a struggle for social justice is badly needed. Only Islamic orgs are willing to fight on the ground, whereas communists are content to discuss things online.

[ComradeMan]

HaMiflega HaKomunistit HaYisraelit?

HaHazit HaDemokratit LeShalom VeLeShivion- Hadash?

Of course there were a lot of communists involved in revolutions in both Iran and Indonesia..... ooops, who wiped them out?

[Bud Struggle]

RevLeft is fighting!

[Milk Sheikh]

HaMiflega HaKomunistit HaYisraelit?

HaHazit HaDemokratit LeShalom VeLeShivion- Hadash?

No need to make personal attacks.


Of course there were a lot of communists involved in revolutions in both Iran and Indonesia..... ooops, who wiped them out?

Mostly, communists are all theory and little action. Islamic orgs go out there and do something, which is why people trust them enough to support them. Since communists sit behind the computer all the time, no mass movement is possible.

[Bud Struggle]

This is getting creepy.

[ComradeMan]

No need to make personal attacks.

Why is it a personal attack? YOU said there were no organisations and I named some organisations which you blatantly didn't bother to find out about. Stop being an ignoramus.


Mostly, communists are all theory and little action. Islamic orgs go out there and do something, which is why people trust them enough to support them. Since communists sit behind the computer all the time, no mass movement is possible.

More generalisations..... I suppose Cuba was just theory and no action? Imperfect as it may be. Of course, with many militant Islamic groups the theory is quite simple and the action is that anyone who disagrees with "us" is an enemy of Islam and we will wage a jihad against them etc... which usually envolves people being killed and maimed- but the victims can rest assured they will be blessed martyrs. FFS COME OFF IT!!!!

Hindu Nationalists vs Islamic Extremists..... I pity the Jains.

[Milk Sheikh]

Why is it a personal attack? YOU said there were no organisations and I named some organisations which you blatantly didn't bother to find out about. Stop being an ignoramus.

Sorry, I didn't know those were names of organizations. I thought you were calling me names.


More generalisations..... I suppose Cuba was just theory and no action? Imperfect as it may be. Of course, with many militant Islamic groups the theory is quite simple and the action

First, I am talking about now. Second, why is Hamas popular in Palestine? It's because communists don't go out there and join the average Palestinian guy, understand his needs and act accordingly. They're more interested in 'do we support this or that' game or 'long live bla bla' or 'death to imperialism' and all those slogans.

How many communists are living in the real world?

[Obs]

Forget it, guys, Milk Sheik is right. No communist movement has ever gained popularity, made any sort of action, or won any kind of struggle, unlike Islamic movements which have always, without fail, been heroes of the proletariat and increased standards of living all around. The Afghan freedom fighters, for instance, were working in the direct interests of the oppressed classes of Afghanistan when they destroyed the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and replaced it with a state based on progressive Islamic principles.

In other news, people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.


Sorry, I didn't know those were names of organizations. I thought you were calling me names.



First, I am talking about now. Second, why is Hamas popular in Palestine? It's because communists don't go out there and join the average Palestinian guy, understand his needs and act accordingly. They're more interested in 'do we support this or that' game or 'long live bla bla' or 'death to imperialism' and all those slogans.

How many communists are living in the real world?
I don't suppose you've bothered to do any research on this. If you did you might have heard about some little thing called the PFLP.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

how do you know what revleft members get up to? all you see are avatars, but in their real lives, many members are deeply involved in struggles.

[Milk Sheikh]

Good heavens, I am not supporting Islamic orgs, just saying they're filling the void because communist orgs are too busy analyzing and analyzing and analyzing without doing anything for the common man.

[Dimmu]

A real left organisation will never be able to survive in an Islamic society just because Marxism is anti-religious.

As long as the leading ideology of these movements will be political Islam, then there is no way to have them to follow Marx.

[RGacky3]

There should be a basic level of intelligence required before posting.


Since communists sit behind the computer all the time, no mass movement is possible.

The fact that you think this pretty much shows your never outside, you odn't know what happens in the real world.

Your also missing out GIANT HISOTRICAL CONTEXT.

please stop making threads.

[RGacky3]

A real left organisation will never be able to survive in an Islamic society just because Marxism is anti-religious.

As long as the leading ideology of these movements will be political Islam, then there is no way to have them to follow Marx.


Marx is not the God of socialism like you think.

[ComradeMan]

There should be a basic level of intelligence required before posting.



The fact that you think this pretty much shows your never outside, you odn't know what happens in the real world.

Your also missing out GIANT HISOTRICAL CONTEXT.

please stop making threads.

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but you also like to make a lot of threads based on Youtube Videos, polls in Vanity Fair and what you find in the Huffington Post, you don't always back up a lot of your claims and when we were discussing the Middle-Eastern situations you refused to look at the HISOTRICAL CONTEXT! :laugh:

;)

Milk Sheikh- stop making threads based entirely on your own subjective views without acknowledging any counter-arguments and that also rely on generalisations all the time. If you want to talk about Hindu Nationalists fine, but say that instead of generalising about all Hinuds this and all Muslims that....

[RGacky3]

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but you also like to make a lot of threads based on Youtube Videos, polls in Vanity Fair and what you find in the Huffington Post

One Vanity Fair/CBS poll, which as respected by everyone in the media and in politics, so thats not a valid shot.

Also yeah, youtube videos/huffington post is called the news.

I back up amost all of my claims (unlike much of the OI), and when I'm wrong I admit it (unlike much of the OI). WHen we were/are discussing middle east situations I take historical context into account and other factors into account, I just think you misplace the context and apply certain context tto places where its irrelivant.

So your playing devils advocate ... But your wrong.

[Dimmu]

Marx is not the God of socialism like you think.

I just used it as an example.. The fact is that political Islam would never exist in a socialist society because its just a too to divide people.

[RGacky3]

Political Islam is the same as potlicial christianity, its not a single ideology, and socialism CAN exist within a religious government, it just depends on how the government is set up.

[Dimmu]

Political Islam is the same as potlicial christianity, its not a single ideology, and socialism CAN exist within a religious government, it just depends on how the government is set up.


In my opinion, there should be no government to being with..

I also believe that a socialist society needs to be without organised religion.

[RGacky3]

In my opinion, there should be no government to being with..

I also believe that a socialist society needs to be without organised religion.

I absoltely agree, that does'nt mean that Islam and socialism (in the broad sense) are not compatible.

[Viet Minh]

HaMiflega HaKomunistit HaYisraelit?

HaHazit HaDemokratit LeShalom VeLeShivion- Hadash?


How dare you?! :blink: :lol:


Who's fighting against imperialism in Israel? Hamas and other Islamic organizations, not one communist org.
In Iraq and Afghanistan? Again, no communists, only Islamic groups.
Even in the revolution in Egypt, Muslim brotherhood played a role and not communist orgs.

Point is, communist orgs are virtually nonexistent in areas where a struggle for social justice is badly needed. Only Islamic orgs are willing to fight on the ground, whereas communists are content to discuss things online.


Good heavens, I am not supporting Islamic orgs, just saying they're filling the void because communist orgs are too busy analyzing and analyzing and analyzing without doing anything for the common man.

What do you want, all of revleft to jump on a plane and go fire rockets at israel? Leftists have a hard enough fight opposing US Imperialism within the US, what can they do in the Middle East? Apart from anything I somewhat suspect a delegate of anarcho feminists turning up in Afghanistan would be told to go fuck themselves, or taken as hostages.


A real left organisation will never be able to survive in an Islamic society just because Marxism is anti-religious.

As long as the leading ideology of these movements will be political Islam, then there is no way to have them to follow Marx.

Sorry to be a pedantic ahole, but Marxism is not necessarily anti-religious as such, more secularist and anti theocratic.


Political Islam is the same as potlicial christianity, its not a single ideology, and socialism CAN exist within a religious government, it just depends on how the government is set up.

I would say the opposite, a religion can exist within a Socialist 'State', but a Theocracy can never be a Socialist 'State' in itself. Unless we define Stalinism as a religion, which I suspect some people here might! :D
But in my opinion Christian Socialism, Islamic Communism and Labor Zionism are all self-contradictory, because religion should be seperate from the state.

[RGacky3]

But in my opinion Christian Socialism, Islamic Communism and Labor Zionism are all self-contradictory, because religion should be seperate from the state.

It should be, that that does'nt make it contradictory, you coul have a law based on religious principles while still having socialism.

[Viet Minh]

It should be, that that does'nt make it contradictory, you coul have a law based on religious principles while still having socialism.

It depends on which brand of socialism I suppose. Some Socialist ideologies wouldn't be compatible, a lot of leftists support womens rights and lgbt rights for example, which Christianity and Islam are arguably against.

[Revolution starts with U]

Such a troll.....
How do you negrep someone?

[#FF0000]

Good heavens, I am not supporting Islamic orgs, just saying they're filling the void because communist orgs are too busy analyzing and analyzing and analyzing without doing anything for the common man.

actually they're too busy being shot by, uh, islamic groups.

[Revolution starts with U]

Mik was dumped by a Hindu leftist a few years ago. Now he's jaded and bitter :lol:

[Ballyfornia]

There was a Communist regime in Afghanistan
there a wiki page on it

it was ousted because of American sponsored mujahideen and the fall of soviet union.

[#FF0000]

There was a Communist regime in Afghanistan
there a wiki page on it

it was ousted because of American sponsored mujahideen and the fall of soviet union.

And even before then, Afghanistan had a long-standing secular tradition.

[Ele'ill]

whereas communists are content to discuss things.

I didn't really edit this. This portion is nearly correct- but is not intended as a slight directed towards other groups who have discussed and are in a position (or feel they are in a position) to act. I also find it a bit offensive that you think of movement, organizing and networking absent of physical combat to be some how an indicator of revolutionary failure.

[Tim Finnegan]

Who's fighting against imperialism in Israel? Hamas and other Islamic organizations, not one communist org.
In Iraq and Afghanistan? Again, no communists, only Islamic groups.
Even in the revolution in Egypt, Muslim brotherhood played a role and not communist orgs.
The trade unions played a far greater role in toppling Mubarak than the Muslim Brotherhood. The unions were at the forefront of the struggle long before the revolution even kicked off, while the Muslim Brotherhood spent the whole thing desperately trying to keep up.


But in my opinion Christian Socialism, Islamic Communism and Labor Zionism are all self-contradictory, because religion should be seperate from the state.
I don't think that the first two, at least, advocate the joining of church in state. In fact, in the UK, Christian socialists for a long time drew on the same Independent (Baptists, Presbyterian, etc.) congregations that provided the mass base for opposition to establishment of religion.
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And even before then, Afghanistan had a long-standing secular tradition.
And even today, much of the so-called "Islamism" in Afghanistan is really just ultraconservatism with quasi-religious rationalisations. The "Islamic" laws of the Taliban were mostly just the social mores of the rural Pashtun tribes enforced on the rest of the country at gun-point.

[L.A.P.]

Who's fighting against imperialism in Israel? Hamas and other Islamic organizations, not one communist org.


Ummm....the PFLP are doing a lot more than Hamas. You're stupid.

[Decolonize The Left]

Such a troll.....
How do you negrep someone?

Look at the box where the post is, then look to the top right-hand corner of that post box. You'll see the exclamation triangle which is for reporting posts, then next to it you'll see some silver scales - this is the rep button. Click on it and click whether you want positive or negative, then type your message and submit it.

You can start by positively repping this post for practice. Cheers.

And yes, the OP is certainly a troll and this thread should be trashed.

- August

[Revolution starts with U]

:laugh: It said I have given out too much rep
I have to stop thanking every half decent argument I see

[Decolonize The Left]

:laugh: It said I have given out too much rep
I have to stop thanking every half decent argument I see

Well my rep kung fu is way more powerful than your rep kung fu, so I'll neg-rep the OP for you... plus more.

- August

[Revolution starts with U]

Black tiger steal rep!

(Black tiger steals heart, is a shaolin stance, for those who don't know)