The Christ? The Anointed one? (Social Gospel)

[MellowViper]

I've been thinking about the theological arguments lately, and I think the closest reality to God is the totality of consciousness and the collective unconscious. When we die, I think we rejoin a kind of godhead that is responsible for the laws of the universe. as well as the essence of consciousness. Coming from Western tradition, I see Christ as being a proletarian figure that wanted mankind to not be consumed by the demiurge of egocentrism and the Satan of feudalism. He wanted us to sell our possessions and share the profits equally. He wanted us to receive the fruits for our own labour that we rightfully deserve. If we don't work, we don't eat. If we work we should eat. Capital shouldn't hold their power over us, nor should they live off our labour. That was his maxim. He died for what he believed in, like the anarchists of the Haymarket riots or Sacco and Vanzetti.

The Roman hierarchy embodied all the decadence and wickedness of the Robber Barons of the Gilded Age, as well as the modern era we find ourselves in now (AIG, Exxon Mobile, Manhattan Chase, etc). I don't believe in Jesus of the epistemological dictatorship of the corrupt, holy Roman hierarchy but rather the Jesus of Nazareth who wanted a classless hierarchy, the one who saw the divinity within all human individuals. I believe when he said he was the son of divinity that he meant that was a potential in all of us. We can both be hitler, as well as Christ. I guess I'm a Marxist in a practical sense but an esoteric Christian in a spiritual aspect when concerning socialism.

[greenwarbler]

epistemological dictatorship of the corruptWhat do you mean by this? Epistemological is an adjective, but "epistemic" is really a shorter, easier to spell (think about qwerty for awhile) word -- also, I think you mean gnostic (which has both a historical [deriving from a group of pagan an later Christian mystics, who held the "secret view" of knowledge] meaning, and also can refer to the "parceling out" of such "secret knowledge" in small "tidbits" [think hoarding], in general) -- Gnosis is usually the process through /by which knowledge is "parceled out," by the way)..

interesting view, nevertheless -- yes, I would agree fundementally (I should use paragraphs)

that dogmatic clinging to some or another ideology is harmful to the interests of cultural progression / evolution, and can generally hinder the execution of principles in accordance with which revolution generally holds itself (liberte, egalite, fraternite, for instance) -- then religion really becomes a means by which to solidify "everything that is", as it is, and to rend this "everything that is" in a mystifying, stupefying veil of somnambulism and non-sense... on the other hand, the religion you (and Dostoevsky, Tolstoi, Tillich, Moltmann, Nietzsche, Kappen, Romero, Cardenal, et alia, et alia) speak of exists out of the negation of such paltry (and boring) attempts to render "sleepwalkers" of the collective body politic of everyone that exists... to "wake" the slumbering (why was JC upset when he returned "from prayer" and found the Twelve asleep?) into action, into thought, into activity, etc.

You hold a well-rounded view of religion that puts you outside of the vast majority of the world's population, per se (most of whom are either dogmatists, "casual attenders of church" [mediocre individuals, sleepwalkers] or alternately rigid, "stiff-necked" atheists, with no time or need for imagination) , so you're on the top already, it seems.. (which means it's downhill from here..!)

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

If you consider that Hegel's philosophy was an inspired by his Lutheran Christianity, and Marx was a close reader of Hegel's logic, there's a reason why an esoteric and critical Christian would see some similarities between Communism and Christianity. Christianity has a very similar notion of history and eschatology.

[greenwarbler]

Marx was also, like Christ, born of immaculate conception (but out of Hegel's severed head)

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

STD:


If you consider that Hegel's philosophy was an inspired by his Lutheran Christianity, and Marx was a close reader of Hegel's logic, there's a reason why an esoteric and critical Christian would see some similarities between Communism and Christianity. Christianity has a very similar notion of history and eschatology.

Except, he moved away from Hegel all his life, and with good reason -- Hegel's Logic is flawed from beginning to end (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1941396&postcount=2).

[Black Sheep]

How exactly do you locate all threads with a mentioning of Dialectics/Hegel etc?
Jesus

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I've been thinking about the theological arguments lately, and I think the closest reality to God is the totality of consciousness and the collective unconscious. When we die, I think we rejoin a kind of godhead that is responsible for the laws of the universe. as well as the essence of consciousness. Coming from Western tradition, I see Christ as being a proletarian figure that wanted mankind to not be consumed by the demiurge of egocentrism and the Satan of feudalism. He wanted us to sell our possessions and share the profits equally. He wanted us to receive the fruits for our own labour that we rightfully deserve. If we don't work, we don't eat. If we work we should eat. Capital shouldn't hold their power over us, nor should they live off our labour. That was his maxim. He died for what he believed in, like the anarchists of the Haymarket riots or Sacco and Vanzetti.

The Roman hierarchy embodied all the decadence and wickedness of the Robber Barons of the Gilded Age, as well as the modern era we find ourselves in now (AIG, Exxon Mobile, Manhattan Chase, etc). I don't believe in Jesus of the epistemological dictatorship of the corrupt, holy Roman hierarchy but rather the Jesus of Nazareth who wanted a classless hierarchy, the one who saw the divinity within all human individuals. I believe when he said he was the son of divinity that he meant that was a potential in all of us. We can both be hitler, as well as Christ. I guess I'm a Marxist in a practical sense but an esoteric Christian in a spiritual aspect when concerning socialism.

I am still reading up on this but the German Marxist philosopher Bloch once said, "the only good atheist is a christian and the only good Christian is an atheist". At first it sounded counter intuitive but I think I can understand what he meant by this.

[greenwarbler]

Lenina: Bloch is fantastic: he was a Mannheimer, but hated Mannheim, for what Baudelaire would refer to as its l'obelisques l'industrie; he communicated this sentiment in correspondence with top European philosophers at age 15.. the first volume of his Prinzipien der Hoffnung reads as such:

Der Wille zerbricht das Haus, worin er sich langweilt und worin das Beste verboten ist. So baut er in der endlosen Geschichte sein Bergschloss an den Wolken oder die Ritterburg als Schiff.I'm half-surprised anyone on RL has read anyone besides Lenin, Trotsky,an The ABC's of Communism. Gives me hope in the human spirit (which elevator music, and commodity fetishism of the modern-day supermarket render superfluous, or effectively "purged"!) Kudos!

[hatzel]

How exactly do you locate all threads with a mentioning of Dialectics/Hegel etc?
Jesus

One can assume that somebody is very keen on the search function :)

[Geiseric]

I'm wondering if christ really did sacrifice anything, he knew that whatever he did he'd end up back at heaven, so basically he knew for a fact that if he died he'd know it's all worth it, in that his theology is correct, and he knew that heaven existed, and he knew he'd be going back 100 percent. Most people are afraid of dying because they don't know what's on the other side. Shit, if most people knew 100 percent that heaven existed we'd have a smaller population since people would exploit the loophole, and simply do some good things and die. He had no real fear of the consequences of his actions, because he knew the ultimate outcome. Worst comes to worst, i'll give dad a visit. So I don't think it's fair to assume he sacrificed anything for our sins.