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Die Neue Zeit
11th March 2011, 03:41
For the record, I think Beria was the original would-be Soviet Deng, with his remarks about introducing private property and market relations after Stalin's death, and got into trouble on the question of East Germany for simply towing his old master's neutral Germany line on the matter.

Turning to another security chief, I once thought Yuri Andropov was another would-be Soviet Deng, until I read this in Chapter 19 of Moshe Lewin's The Soviet Century (p. 267):

http://books.google.ca/books?id=ETQpY-32DysC&pg=PA248&dq=%22moshe+lewin%22+%22kosygin+and+andropov%22&hl=en&ei=tZh5TZzuFo64sQOM_7TzAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


He knew that the so-called "party" was in fact a corpse, that it could not be resurrected and must be destroyed. And the incumbent rulers understood this full well. The notorious "security of cadres" (security of tenure regardless of performance) was about to disappear - and, with it, the impunity of the "good old days." The cosy, parasitic power of the class of party-state bosses was nearing its end. Genuine elections inside the party betokened the re-emergence of political factions and new leaders; and this could mean the advent of a new party, whatever its name might be. Such a party, still in power but planning reforms, could have served the steer the country during the difficult transition to a new model.

Of course, this is all counter-factual history. Andropov, who suffered from an incurable kidney disease, soon departed the stage in 1984.

Kiev Communard
11th March 2011, 10:32
For the record, I think Beria was the original would-be Soviet Deng, with his remarks about introducing private property and market relations after Stalin's death, and got into trouble on the question of East Germany for simply towing his old master's neutral Germany line on the matter.

Turning to another security chief, I once thought Yuri Andropov was another would-be Soviet Deng, until I read this in Chapter 19 of Moshe Lewin's The Soviet Century (p. 267):

http://books.google.ca/books?id=ETQpY-32DysC&pg=PA248&dq=%22moshe+lewin%22+%22kosygin+and+andropov%22&hl=en&ei=tZh5TZzuFo64sQOM_7TzAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Considering that it was Gorbachev who actually implemented the plan for "political reforms" envisioned by Andropov (favouring the "market socialist" factions of the bureaucracy, of course), I strongly doubt that Andropov's plan was anything quantitatively different from that of Gorbachev, and would probably have met with the same fiasco.

By early 1980s any progressive features of bureaucratic collectivist system of the USSR were exhausted, and there were only two alternatives before the Soviet Union: either embrace the capitalist restoration (in Dengist or exclusively neoliberal form, complete with its political superstructure - the bureaucratic class chose the latter) or live through the new working-class revolution (unfortunately, the working class of the former Soviet Union was too disillusioned and came to conflate any kind of socialism with "Soviet" system due to its multi-decade isolation from the struggles of the global proletariat for this to happen). Therefore, it was the private capitalist "alternative" that won - enriching the former KGB officers, including Putin and his cronies, in the process.

hardlinecommunist
16th March 2011, 23:24
For the record, I think Beria was the original would-be Soviet Deng, with his remarks about introducing private property and market relations after Stalin's death, and got into trouble on the question of East Germany for simply towing his old master's neutral Germany line on the matter.

Turning to another security chief, I once thought Yuri Andropov was another would-be Soviet Deng, until I read this in Chapter 19 of Moshe Lewin's The Soviet Century (p. 267):

http://books.google.ca/books?id=ETQpY-32DysC&pg=PA248&dq=%22moshe+lewin%22+%22kosygin+and+andropov%22&hl=en&ei=tZh5TZzuFo64sQOM_7TzAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false You are right Beria was the Original Sovet Deng he was also the second coming of Nikolai Bukharin as well as being the forerunner to Mikhail Gorbachev

Die Neue Zeit
20th March 2011, 05:26
Considering that it was Gorbachev who actually implemented the plan for "political reforms" envisioned by Andropov (favouring the "market socialist" factions of the bureaucracy, of course), I strongly doubt that Andropov's plan was anything quantitatively different from that of Gorbachev, and would probably have met with the same fiasco.

I noticed one mistake in Lewin's argument. It's the one about "genuine elections inside the party." This is because Stalin himself toyed with the idea in the 1930s, even in the midst of the purges, and pulled out of it at the last minute during the 1946 elections.

pranabjyoti
20th March 2011, 07:00
The result of election inside party after Stalin's death is the rise of Khrushchev by defeating Malenkov. The rise of Deng was also result of inside party elections.
Popular and general opinion isn't some kind of magic that can rectify anything.