3000 worker wildcat in vietnam enters second day

[bcbm]

Nearly 3,000 workers at a Japanese car factory in Hanoi were in the second day of a wildcat strike over low wages, officials said Tuesday.

An official from Yamaha Motor Viet Nam 2 told the German Press Agency dpa that workers were demanding a 400,000-dong (19-dollar) wage increase per month.


Workers said the higher cost of living following recent price hikes in gas, oil and electricity prices meant they could not survive on their current wages, according to the factory official who declined to be named.


The firm was to make a decision on Wednesday, he said.


"The company can meet the workers' demands but we fear a pay increase could affect other companies in the industrial park because other factory workers will go on strike to demand higher wages," he said.


At the moment the starting monthly salary at the plant is 1.65 million dong (79 dollars). Those who have worked at the plant for five years get 2 million dong (96 dollars).


Inflation in Vietnam is expected to cause more wildcat strikes in the near future.


Last month, the government raised the cost of petrol by as much as 24 per cent and electricity by 15 per cent.


The price hikes came a time of growing unease about the stability of the country's fast-growing economy. In February, the annualized growth rate of the consumer price index hit a two-year high of 12.31 per cent.


The government said it planned to contain inflation at 8 per cent last year, but it hit 11.8 per cent.


http://www.businesslive.co.za/Feeds/sapa/2011/03/08/three-thousand-workers-in-vietnam-strike-at-japanese-car-plant

[RED DAVE]

So much for the workers paradise.

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[StalinFanboy]

So much for the workers paradise.

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TVM's brain just 'sploded.

[The Vegan Marxist]

TVM's brain just 'sploded.

Vietnam's not socialist, but they claim to be on the road to socialism. Hence, not socialist yet. Of course, I don't know much about the new leadership to really show criticism or support. I definitely support the workers strike. Many areas of Vietnam is still quite poor. So it's no surprise to see these strikes take place.

Of course, I've seen bourgeois, capital news sites criticize and demonize the new leader, stating that he's going for a more direct approach towards socialism, which in their eyes was the end of their capitalist freedoms. So who knows, we might see the rise of greater worker rights here in the next year.

Until then, what's the latest on the strike? Has it gone for its third day now?

[the last donut of the night]

Vietnam's not socialist, but they claim to be on the road to socialism. Hence, not socialist yet. Of course, I don't know much about the new leadership to really show criticism or support. I definitely support the workers strike. Many areas of Vietnam is still quite poor. So it's no surprise to see these strikes take place.

Of course, I've seen bourgeois, capital news sites criticize and demonize the new leader, stating that he's going for a more direct approach towards socialism, which in their eyes was the end of their capitalist freedoms. So who knows, we might see the rise of greater worker rights here in the next year.

Until then, what's the latest on the strike? Has it gone for its third day now?

your naivete deeply disturbs me

[The Vegan Marxist]

your naivete deeply disturbs me

So it's naive to wonder about the new leadership in Vietnam? It's naive to question where Vietnam's heading because bourgeois media are back to demonizing the leadership of Vietnam, after years of praising Vietnam's opening of their markets to foreign firms?

Only thing I see being naive is you, since you have this "Vietnam will always be capitalist" mindset stuck to you like white on rice.

[the last donut of the night]

So it's naive to wonder about the new leadership in Vietnam? It's naive to question where Vietnam's heading because bourgeois media are back to demonizing the leadership of Vietnam, after years of praising Vietnam's opening of their markets to foreign firms?

Only thing I see being naive is you, since you have this "Vietnam will always be capitalist" mindset stuck to you like white on rice.

Naivete is thinking a country with a huge wealth gap is socialist. I'm not even sure how you get around the reality that most of Vietnam's population is horribly poor while a small elite rules them with a very capitalistic iron fist.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The new benevolent master is going to change all that, though.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Naivete is thinking a country with a huge wealth gap is socialist.

Did you just choose to disregard what I said the first time? Or are you willfully ignorant?


Vietnam's not socialist, but they claim to be on the road to socialism. Hence, not socialist yet.

[the last donut of the night]

Did you just choose to disregard what I said the first time? Or are you willfully ignorant?

You've claimed many times before Vietnam is a socialist country.

[The Vegan Marxist]

You've claimed many times before Vietnam is a socialist country.

Yes, and after giving it a much closer analysis, I realized I was wrong. Hell, even Vietnam, itself, has stated they're not Socialist yet. The fact that the bourgeois media are back to criticizing Vietnam gives me some hope, but for now, we'll just have to wait and see.

[StalinFanboy]

Is there even an organized workers movement in vietnam? I mean a 3000 strong wildcat strike is fucking awesome, but are there any attempts at creating independent proletarian organizations?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Most of the organized movements that occur in Vietnam are through State-owned unions among various sectors of Vietnam. No independent union is allowed either, out of simple reasons why.

[Thirsty Crow]

Most of the organized movements that occur in Vietnam are through State-owned unions among various sectors of Vietnam. No independent union is allowed either, out of simple reasons why.
Those reasons being the "necessity" of iron-fist rule protecting capitalist development which forces workers even into inability of their own reproduction as wage slaves?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Those reasons being the "necessity" of iron-fist rule protecting capitalist development which forces workers even into inability of their own reproduction as wage slaves?

Not originally, no. Remember, these policies were placed during their period of pro-socialist development, and they'd just gotten out of a war with the US. So to protect themselves from imperialism, them banning "independent" unions was necessary. For any union that was outside of the pro-socialist Vietnamese State, were likely to hold differing class interests.

[Tim Finnegan]

Wait, if Vietnam doesn't claim to be socialist, then why is it called the "Socialist Republic of Vietnam"? Is that a relic from a period in which they did make an explicit claim, or... What? :confused:

[The Vegan Marxist]

Wait, if Vietnam doesn't claim to be socialist, then why is it called the "Socialist Republic of Vietnam"? Is that a relic from a period in which they did make an explicit claim, or... What? :confused:

"Socialist Republic" is attributed as a means of expressing their support in socialism. Whether or not they've achieved it or going to achieve it is up to them, of course. "Republic" could also be applied as another term for "State", since Vietnam is run by the DotP. I say this because, unlike China in 2001, as far as I'm aware, the Vietnamese Communist Party have continued to not allow any capitalists as members of the Party. Of course, they haven't been doing so hot in transitioning the mode of production from private to public.

[StalinFanboy]

Most of the organized movements that occur in Vietnam are through State-owned unions among various sectors of Vietnam. No independent union is allowed either, out of simple reasons why.

So, in short, Vietnam is a capitalist, anti-worker state.

[The Vegan Marxist]

So, in short, Vietnam is a capitalist, anti-worker state.

I would say that's far too simplistic. Where there's a DotP present in Vietnam still, there is clear bourgeois corruption, thus socialist advancement is delayed extensively. Where there are those who wish to seek socialism, there are those who have become comfortable with the profits being accumulated through the foreign markets that were designed solely to bring Vietnam out of the rubbles they were placed in after the destructive Vietnam War.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I would say that's far too simplistic. Where there's a DotP present in Vietnam still, there is clear bourgeois corruption, thus socialist advancement is delayed extensively. Where there are those who wish to seek socialism, there are those who have become comfortable with the profits being accumulated through the foreign markets that were designed solely to bring Vietnam out of the rubbles they were placed in after the destructive Vietnam War.

"Don't stop, belieeeeeeeven..."