And it begins again...

[commie kg]

VIENNA (Reuters) - The U.N.'s nuclear watchdog on Friday set Iran an October 31 deadline to prove it had no secret atomic weapons program, prompting Tehran to threaten a "deep review" of its cooperation with the agency.

Following intense U.S. pressure for action against Iran, the 35-nation board of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) passed a resolution setting the deadline. Iran's delegation stormed out of the closed-door meeting, accusing Washington of having new invasion plans after Iraq (news - web sites).

The toughly worded resolution gives Iran -- branded by the United States last year as part of an "axis of evil" with pre-war Iraq and North Korea (news - web sites) -- one last chance to prove it has been complying with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)...

Full Story (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030912/wl_nm/nuclear_iran_dc_28)

Iran also pulled out of the Non-Proliferation treaty today. What do you guys think about this?

[Loknar]

The title of this thread is incorrect. The IAEA gave Iran a deadline.


I think nukes in the hands of Islamic fundamentalists is too dangerous for this world to allow.

[suffianr]

Yes. I fully agree with Loknar. Only Texans should be trusted with nuclear munitions.

[kitty44]

Nukes in anybodies hands is a far more dangerous move.....it gives way too much power to the country holding them.

[commie kg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 03:49 PM
The title of this thread is incorrect. The IAEA gave Iran a deadline.

Under U.S. pressure, they gave the deadline. I doubt they would have without it.

and nukes shouldn't be in anyone's hands, but I'm thinking of this as a pretext for invasion. That's the kind of feedback I want to hear.

[Loknar]

I really doubt that we'll invade Iran, we dont have the money.

[kitty44]

Originally posted by commie kg+Sep 13 2003, 11:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (commie kg @ Sep 13 2003, 11:55 PM)
[email protected] 13 2003, 03:49 PM
The title of this thread is incorrect. The IAEA gave Iran a deadline.

Under U.S. pressure, they gave the deadline. I doubt they would have without it.

and nukes shouldn&#39;t be in anyone&#39;s hands, but I&#39;m thinking of this as a pretext for invasion. That&#39;s the kind of feedback I want to hear. [/b]
Actually I see this "deadline" as a repeat of pre-war Iraq. Fascist Bush is now going after Iran.......who&#39;s next??? How many more years of war with the middle east??? I don&#39;t believe the U.N. would have gone along with it but for the increasingly intense pressure from the U.S. They sure didn&#39;t go along with the invasion of Iraq. Let&#39;s see what they&#39;re going to do with this deadline. :ph34r:

[Pete]

If Iran really does have nukes, America will not budge. North Korea anyone? Anyone? No? Okay. Moving on.

Nukes in the hand of a Christian fundamentalist is a bad idea too.

[redstar2000]

This situation certainly does bear a striking resemblance to the "run up" to the invasion of Iraq.

My early estimate is October through December of 2004 for the beginning of hostilities.

If Bush is well ahead in the polls by July or August, the war will be postponed until after the presidential election. If it looks "close", a new war will begin in the attempt to mobilize a "patriotic mandate" to "fight terrorism".

There will probably be in the neighborhood of 200,000 U.S. ground troops (or more&#33;) stationed in Iraq at that point, plus the on-going presence of a major fleet in the Persian Gulf. And the U.S. also has other major deployments in the area. So the forces will be "in place" to invade Iran on fairly short notice.

Predicting the outcome of this imperial adventure would be foolhardy indeed; the first casualties of war are "the plans".

But the suggestion that the United States "cannot afford another war" is irrelevant; they could not "afford" the last one. It did not stop them or even slow them down.

There will likely be an even bigger anti-war movement on a global scale; what effect that will have on the behavior of lackeys like Tony Blair remains to be seen. I do not see it as having any measurable effect on U.S. imperialism.

Grow or die is the "law" of empires. What new crises--and new opportunities for the left--will emerge as a consequence of this law is something to think about.

:redstar2000:

PS: I&#39;m saving a copy of this post as a test of my "crystal ball". A year from now, I&#39;ll let you know how I did, good or bad. :D
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[IHP]

Personally, I thought that Syria was going to be next. Well, Iran it might be. It definitely wouldn&#39;t be North Korea, they&#39;re army is simply too strong for the war to remain popluar for too long.

Loknar, your comment about whose hands they&#39;re in is pretty short-sighted. Any fundamentalism is bad, not just Islamic.

--IHP

[caliban]

Anybody remember George W. asking for another 87 billion? The sick part is is the Iranian people are demonstrating against the government. For not normalizing relations long ago. And they don&#39;t even know for sure IF Iran has them, North Korea does and are waving them,and their ability to produce more, in the worlds face. Is this the new world order we hear so much about? Pretty one sided so far, wonder who&#39;s next? :unsure:

[Blackberry]

Hopefully a bigger and more aggressive anti-war movement will result from this war, if it goes ahead. Only the threat or actual practice of direct action will have any impact on these imperialists.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 14 2003, 06:18 AM
Hopefully a bigger and more aggressive anti-war movement will result from this war, if it goes ahead. Only the threat or actual practice of direct action will have any impact on these imperialists.
Funny thing about those, most people were too stupid enough to know that most were organized by Commies.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 11:51 PM
Only Texans should be trusted with nuclear munitions.
I doubt texans will nuke a city like london, or berlin ;)

[SonofRage]

Bush&#39;s approval rating has dropped to 52%, I guess he found a way to get it back up again. This man must be stopped. The UN is trying to prove itself and all they are doing is falling into Bush&#39;s hands.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 02:14 AM

Funny thing about those, most people were too stupid enough to know that most were organized by Commies.
I hope you are not talking about A.N.S.W.E.R., the group which seems to like to take credit for everything. Fucking WWP.

[Indysocialist]

Like it was said earlier, odds are if we do wind up going to war in Iran it won&#39;t be for a while, it&#39;ll probably be next year when campaigning for President starts to rev up. Hence the 87 billion "for Iraq."
Either way I figured we&#39;d go after Syria, but that kind of died down. I don&#39;t know, I do wonder if much will come of this.

[Sabocat]

Sadly, what we&#39;ll probably see first is UN authorized sanctions, and then bombing of the infrastructure.....again.

It could be years before they actually go in, but in the mean time, the civilian population will suffer like in Iraq. Then the U&#036; will blame the suffering on the leadership in Iran, and thus give us the pretext to go in and "liberate" the people of Iran by killing tens of thousands of them.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 10:41 AM
Sadly, what we&#39;ll probably see first is UN authorized sanctions, and then bombing of the infrastructure.....again.

It could be years before they actually go in, but in the mean time, the civilian population will suffer like in Iraq. Then the U&#036; will blame the suffering on the leadership in Iran, and thus give us the pretext to go in and "liberate" the people of Iran by killing tens of thousands of them.
What of wealth has Iran ?

[Sabocat]

What of wealth has Iran ?


Who said anything about wealth? How about strategic value? How about colonization of the Middle East? But while we&#39;re on the topic....


Iran&#39;s Claim Over Caspian Sea Resources Threaten Energy Security
by Dr. Ariel Cohen
Backgrounder #1582


September 5, 2002 | Executive Summary | |



The need for Washington to focus its attention on energy security and diversification became clear as the war on terrorism began. The U.S. should strongly oppose Iran&#39;s threatening military actions to claim a larger portion of the energy-rich Caspian Sea. The Caspian basin, a land-locked body of salt water bordered by Iran, Azerbaijan, Russia, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan, harbors billions of barrels of proven oil reserves and over 200 billion barrels of potential reserves.2 (See Table 1.) The market value of that oil could exceed &#036;5 trillion, according to some estimates. The sea also may hold up to 325 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Combined with Russia&#39;s resources, by 2010 the region could supply up to one half of the energy resources now provided by the Middle East.


Of the variety of natural resources found in Iran, petroleum (discovered in 1908 in Khuzestan province) and natural gas are by far the most important. The chief oil fields are found in the central and southwestern parts of the Zagros Mts. in W Iran. Oil also is found in N Iran and in the offshore waters of the Persian Gulf. Domestic oil and gas, along with hydroelectric power facilities, provide the country with power.

The petroleum industry is Iran&#39;s economic mainstay; oil accounts for 80% of export revenues, and Iran is a member of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). Major refineries are located at Abadan (site of the country&#39;s first refinery, built 1913), Kermanshah, and Tehran. Pipelines move oil from the fields to the refineries and to such exporting ports as Abadan, Bandar-e Mashur, and Khark Island. In the late 1990s, Iran&#39;s state-owned oil and gas industry entered into major exploration and production agreements with foreign consortiums.



So.....answer your question of wealth and strategic position?

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 04:19 PM

What of wealth has Iran ?


Who said anything about wealth? How about strategic value? How about colonization of the Middle East? But while we&#39;re on the topic....


Iran&#39;s Claim Over Caspian Sea Resources Threaten Energy Security
by Dr. Ariel Cohen
Backgrounder #1582


September 5, 2002 | Executive Summary | |



The need for Washington to focus its attention on energy security and diversification became clear as the war on terrorism began. The U.S. should strongly oppose Iran&#39;s threatening military actions to claim a larger portion of the energy-rich Caspian Sea. The Caspian basin, a land-locked body of salt water bordered by Iran, Azerbaijan, Russia, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan, harbors billions of barrels of proven oil reserves and over 200 billion barrels of potential reserves.2 (See Table 1.) The market value of that oil could exceed &#036;5 trillion, according to some estimates. The sea also may hold up to 325 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Combined with Russia&#39;s resources, by 2010 the region could supply up to one half of the energy resources now provided by the Middle East.


Of the variety of natural resources found in Iran, petroleum (discovered in 1908 in Khuzestan province) and natural gas are by far the most important. The chief oil fields are found in the central and southwestern parts of the Zagros Mts. in W Iran. Oil also is found in N Iran and in the offshore waters of the Persian Gulf. Domestic oil and gas, along with hydroelectric power facilities, provide the country with power.

The petroleum industry is Iran&#39;s economic mainstay; oil accounts for 80% of export revenues, and Iran is a member of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). Major refineries are located at Abadan (site of the country&#39;s first refinery, built 1913), Kermanshah, and Tehran. Pipelines move oil from the fields to the refineries and to such exporting ports as Abadan, Bandar-e Mashur, and Khark Island. In the late 1990s, Iran&#39;s state-owned oil and gas industry entered into major exploration and production agreements with foreign consortiums.



So.....answer your question of wealth and strategic position?
Now I see why they want the country, I can&#39;t blame them really but the EU should try to capture the supplies since america will get too powerfull :angry:

[caliban]

Has anyone here ever seen the article written in Janes Defence in 1996 about the bio/chem production facility in North Africa? The one that the American government went ape shit over, contracting US weapons producers to make a deep penetration bomb for? I can&#39;t remember where it was though or what it was called, all l remember was the article was in Janes in 1996.
Also, does anybody know if Iran ever took possesion of the 4 Kilos, 2 Alphas, and 2 Akulas from Russia? Last l read they were being held for some reason. Sorry, memory is fucked(played rugby.....hit head a lot). :(

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 06:34 AM
played rugby.....hit head a lot). :(
Done that, the last I remember is that in rugby you get hirt more in the chest or so not on the head :huh:

[caliban]

And is there an answer to the question DF, or are you just going to poke fun at my lousy sense of humor?

[nagasaki]

Again, your idiocy astounds me. :o Since when has imperialism been bad? These third world nations need to be colonized. You can&#39;t start a communist revolution in a third world nation like Iran. Agitators are tortured. No one has a right to protest. Opposition leaders dissappear. But if the United States takes the country over, then the people suddenly have the right to free speech. If things don&#39;t progress as quickly as the population likes, then you have an in-road to communism. Haven&#39;t you heard of dialectical materialism? Or have you just forgot. You make me ashamed. Most of you deserve to be shot.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I&#39;m gonna do a little cheer for nagasaki here...


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And what&#39;s that spell?


TROLL.


Hip-Hip Hooray&#33;

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[nagasaki]

I accuse you all of being ignorant. If I am a troll, then do me this one favor. Explain to me these three Marxist concepts:

Dialectical materialism

collectivism

the perils of the private life

I don&#39;t think you can, you Clinton fans.

[HankMorgan]

Oh, I sure hope we invade Iran real soon now. I&#39;m scheduled to go in the first group of colonists. The first group of colonists into Germany after the war made out real well. And the first group into Japan did even better. Why they just about run the whole country.

I must say I&#39;m a little disappointed. There were rumours that the next colony was going to be Canada. Canada is close and it&#39;s so much like the US. Well, when it&#39;s your turn to be first you can&#39;t pass it up. You know how it is with us imperial powers.

GIVE ME A BREAK&#33;&#33;

You all spend your days bandying "imperial this" and "empire that" around and Bush is another Hitler etc. etc. ad naseum. You&#39;re completely divorced from reality. The US is not an empire and George Bush is just a man doing the job of President. Next year there will be an election to see if he keeps his job for four more years. If the US invades Iran, one of the Democratic candidates will take George Bush&#39;s job. That&#39;s saying a lot because the Democratic candidates have no discernable policies, foreign or domestic.

Here&#39;s my prediction: The US won&#39;t invade Iran. Not even close.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I beg you Wank Morga, pleeeeease do your best to one of the "first colonists" in Iraq&#33;


I&#39;m sure you&#39;re gonna have a grand &#39;ole time&#33;


Hugs and kisses sweetie&#33;

[HankMorgan]

Comrade RAF, I tried to go to Iraq. I applied at the United States Colonial Office but my application didn&#39;t make it in time. I asked my uncle for help. He&#39;s an assistant to one of the directors in the United States Imperial Ministry. My uncle&#39;s boss was out of the country overseeing his estates in the colony of South Korea.

How about you Comrade RAF? Any interest in joining the American effort to expand the empire? My uncle in the United States Imperial Ministry says Mexico is due to be invaded soon. The Latin ladies are hot hot hot.

[Vinny Rafarino]

No thanks Wank Morgan, the "empire" is doing a fine job with globalisation without my efforts.

I already spend a great deal of time in Mexico. And yes, the women are very fine indeed. I suggest you take a trip to Mexico and tell all the Mexicans that you can&#39;t wait until the USA invades their nation.

Then you can come home and have a nice yanqui doctor remove the mescal bottle that will be crammed in your arse.


You realise you can&#39;t get me wound up right kiddo?

[HankMorgan]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 21 2003, 04:22 AM
No thanks Wank Morgan, the "empire" is doing a fine job with globalisation without my efforts.

I already spend a great deal of time in Mexico. And yes, the women are very fine indeed. I suggest you take a trip to Mexico and tell all the Mexicans that you can&#39;t wait until the USA invades their nation.

Then you can come home and have a nice yanqui doctor remove the mescal bottle that will be crammed in your arse.


You realise you can&#39;t get me wound up right kiddo?
Comrade, I&#39;m not trying to get you wound up. I&#39;m just proving I can sling the empire manure as well as the next poster on che-lives (long may it prosper). I&#39;ve been to Mexico and the ladies there truly are the finest in the world.