Human Rights Watch: No "mercenaries" in East Libya.

[Derb]

Human Rights Watch, an organization that generally is willing to lie for Western imperialism, has recently stated that there is zero evidence of mercenaries in east Libya.

Shocking! The bourgeois mass media was making up lies! Who could have ever foreseen this? Certainly not the White Marxist trash who inhabit this forum, who readily spread any and all lies about Gaddafi from the very beginning, as if they were paid agents of their disgusting imperialist governments.

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/hrw-no-mercenaries-eastern-libya-0

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Human Rights Watch says it has seen no evidence of mercenaries being used in eastern Libya. This contradicts widespread earlier reports in the international media that African soldiers had been flown in to fight rebels in the region as Muammar Gaddafi sought to keep control.
In an interview with Radio Netherlands Worldwide in Libya, Peter Bouckaert from Human Rights Watch said he had conducted research and found no proof of mercenaries being used. Investigator Bouckaert, who has been in the region for two weeks, told RNW that he had been to Al Bayda after receiving reports that 156 mercenaries had been arrested there.
Black Libyans
The town is to the east of the city Benghazi and is also in the hands of the anti-Gaddafi protesters.
The rights investigator said that what he found there were, in fact, 156 soldiers from the south of Libya and not from another African country. After talking to them he found out that they were all black Libyans of African descent. The soldiers have since been released by the protesters.
According to Bouckaert, the support of the black southern Libyans for the Gaddafi regime is explicable as Gaddafi fought to counter discrimination against this group in Libyan society.
In the west
RNW's Mohammed Abdulrahman, who interviewed Bouckaert in Benghazi, says that the fact that there are few economic opportunities in the south also leads to southern Libyans joining the army.
HRW has so far only conducted research in the east of the country which is under the control of the protesters, but it says it could well be the case that reports of mercenaries being used in the areas still under government control in the west are also inaccurate.
Unverified
International media report that the mercenaries are gathering in the central southern town of Sabha, known to be loyal to Gaddafi, and are being sent out from there.
Our reporter says the southern location of the town means it is possible that the soldiers here are also from the south of the country and not African mercenaries as claimed in the international media. As the area is under control of Gaddafi's forces this cannot be verified.

[Omsk]

Certainly not the White Marxist trash who inhabit this forum, who readily spread any and all lies about Gaddafi from the very beginning, as if they were paid agents of their disgusting imperialist governments.

Khm khm.
Either you are a 'troll'
Or you are simply in a delusion.

[PhoenixAsh]

....so basically we are encountering increasing amount of proof of racism and purposeful misinformation used by protesters?

[Derb]

Khm khm.
Either you are a 'troll'
Or you are simply in a delusion.

Western White Marxists don't care about the truth. They prefer to stand beside the imperialist interests of their own governments, instead of standing with people of Africa against imperialism.

Nothing good has ever came from American and European White Marxists. They have lead no revolutions, they have never been able to halt their own governments imperialist adventures, they have made no victories for their own people worth even mentioning, and yet these White Marxists want to lecture the world about the evils of Gaddafi.

I think it is you who are evil.

[Dimentio]

Western White Marxists don't care about the truth. They prefer to stand beside the imperialist interests of their own governments, instead of standing with people of Africa against imperialism.

Nothing good has ever came from American and European White Marxists. They have lead no revolutions, they have never been able to halt their own governments imperialist adventures, they have made no victories for their own people worth even mentioning, and yet these White Marxists want to lecture the world about the evils of Gaddafi.

I think it is you who are evil.

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Lenin?

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TROLLZ. DEY. COMIN'.

[L.A.P.]

Aside from the troll and their racist hatred for White people while trying to prove how racist the rebels in Libya are, what significance should this article hold? Does this at all discredit the uprising in Libya?

[Derb]

...

Lenin?

...

TROLLZ. DEY. COMIN'.

Lenin was from the Continent of Asia, the same as Mao. Lenin was a great leader as well, who struggled constantly with Western European White Marxists like Kautsky and Bernstein.

[#FF0000]

what about marx

[Arlekino]

What about those mercenaries is not clear about them?

[Sasha]

Western White Marxists don't care about the truth. They prefer to stand beside the imperialist interests of their own governments, instead of standing with people of Africa against imperialism.

Nothing good has ever came from American and European White Marxists. They have lead no revolutions, they have never been able to halt their own governments imperialist adventures, they have made no victories for their own people worth even mentioning, and yet these White Marxists want to lecture the world about the evils of Gaddafi.

I think it is you who are evil.

i think the guidelines are pretty clear, banned for racism

[Jose Gracchus]

Why hasn't this guy been restricted for open racism. And how the fuck do you know which of us is "white". Here's a hint: most of my ancestors have worked latifundia for asshole Hispanic criollo elites for centuries.

EDIT: Nevermind. :-p

[The Vegan Marxist]

Aside from the troll and their racist hatred for White people while trying to prove how racist the rebels in Libya are, what significance should this article hold? Does this at all discredit the uprising in Libya?

Discredit, as a whole? No. But it questions the validity behind the claims of the Libyan govt. using "mercenaries" against the opposition, instead of actual people loyal to Gaddafi. It just switches the story from "Libyan people vs. 'mercenaries'" to "anti-Gaddafi forces vs. pro-Gaddafi forces", aka: a civil war!

[L.A.P.]

Discredit, as a whole? No. But it questions the validity behind the claims of the Libyan govt. using "mercenaries" against the opposition, instead of actual people loyal to Gaddafi. It just switches the story from "Libyan people vs. 'mercenaries'" to "anti-Gaddafi forces vs. pro-Gaddafi forces", aka: a civil war!

Thanks for having an actual post that pertains to the article. Do you think that if there are no actual mercenaries then that makes the situation more of a people who don't like Gaddafi vs. people who do like Gaddafi, then people will be less sympathetic towards it as a oppressed vs. oppressor. And also that if it seems more like a civil war between two factions of divided people then the morale of the rebels will be lower than making it seem like it is a united Libyan people fighting against foreigners hired by our one dictator?

[The Vegan Marxist]

I strongly don't believe it's a "united Libyan force" against Gaddafi. I've seen as much evidence to this as I have on the claim of "mercenaries". Both sides are gaining territory and losing territory. As much as the mainstream media wants to claim, the pro-Gaddafi forces have taken control of once-known rebel-held towns. And vice versa. This appears to be a genuine civil war between Libyans, and, unfortunately, those within the opposition side are getting African migrants involved by lynching them and terrorizing them. It's chaos on both sides, which is what happens during a civil war.

[PhoenixAsh]

I think we see a genuine popular revolt of several different groups who each have different ideas and different believes and very different goals but are temporarilly united against Gadaffi.

If they oppose the dictatorship or just want to have a piece of the pie is right now...is anybodies guess.

What we also see is that Gadaffi has at least enough support to hold out and that he at least has large parts of the population still on his side....and I believe that enough reason to speculate we are seeing a civil war develop in Libya.

Now the reports about airstrikes and mercenaries...I have no idea if they are accurate or if they were some attempt to dissolve the support for Gadaffi, genuine misconceptions, or are part of a bigger plan to get foreign intervention.

In other words...motivations are still obscured and largely unknown....simply because the reporting has been so incredibly chaotic and in some cases downright mistaken.

Now...to speculate either way in the midst of all that confusion of hidden agenda's, scattered information, contesting information....I really do not think it wise or at all possible.

What I do think is its incredibly important to know the truth and to find out exactly what is happening.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I strongly don't believe it's a "united Libyan force" against Gaddafi. I've seen as much evidence to this as I have on the claim of "mercenaries". Both sides are gaining territory and losing territory. As much as the mainstream media wants to claim, the pro-Gaddafi forces have taken control of once-known rebel-held towns. And vice versa. This appears to be a genuine civil war between Libyans, and, unfortunately, those within the opposition side are getting African migrants involved by lynching them and terrorizing them. It's chaos on both sides, which is what happens during a civil war.

The people of Zawaiya and Misruta are resisting the Libyan government against overwhelming pressure, so the pro-gaddhafi forces haven't retaken as many towns as Gaddhafi's media reports have been saying.

As for the stories of Mercenaries? Perhaps they were propaganda, perhaps the protesters were mistaking south libyans or immigrants in the army for mercenaries, although in that case you still have a situation like Tianamen Sq, where the government brings in outsiders (ie Libyans from other parts of the country) to repress and kill locals because outsiders are less sympathetic.

However, the story could still be true. There's no proof, but there's no proof they didn't use them, and I think more time is needed to investigate. There are still continuing claims from places like Mali that Tuareg rebels who had been funded by Gaddhafi some time ago and been moving towards Libya.

I strongly agree with you on the lack of homogeneity among the protesters though. I've been saying that for some time when people accuse the protesters of racism, etc. As it's not an organized movement, it's impossible to distinguish the features of the whole from the features of its parts. In some time, we could be able to judge it, but any categorical judgment made now is going to be riddled with flaw. Perhaps some ancient metaphysical term like "Kairos" is needed, to remind us that the revolution is still too young to judge and that we need to wait for the appropriate time to make claims about its nature.

[Luís Henrique]

Somehow I think Human Rights Watch is not in a position to actually assert whether Gaddafy's soldiers are regular Army soldiers or foreign mercenaries. They have seen only prisoners taken by the rebels, and consequently only soldiers fighting in the East. So their evidence is sketchy; maybe they are right, but I don't see how they are doing anything but just guessing.

Luís Henrique