Reactionary Chatter XXI - I hope you die cold and alone.

[Jazzratt]

Fuck you.

[¿Que?]

Second, and what's wrong?

[RGacky3]

Its gonna be ok Jazzratt

[Jazzratt]

Second, and what's wrong?


Its gonna be ok Jazzratt

I can get Vagoneta not being used to my sense of humour but surely you, gacky, have Stockholmed enough in OI to get that I'm exaggeratedly curmudgeonly. The pretence of subtlety has been abandoned because I'm drunk, not depressed, but thanks for the "concern."

[Bud Struggle]

Jazz--remember you are loved. :) Even if only by a bunch of money grubbing Bourgeois OIers. :D

[ComradeMan]

I think this is in bad taste perhaps we put some kind of METAL theme to it....

It sounds like a Marilyn Manson album... in a sense.

[hatzel]

I think this is in bad taste perhaps we put some kind of METAL theme to it....

It sounds like a Marilyn Manson album... in a sense.

http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q371/chaky87/x09-dark-gothic-girl-with-teddy-bea.jpg

[ComradeMan]

I never liked Marilyn Manson's music much anyway....

If I am in a "dark" mood, I prefer the Nine Inch Nails, Joy Division or the Sisters of Mercy.

[hatzel]

Oh, some Facebook app once told me that I should strip to a certain Nine Inch Nails song (which will remain nameless)...

But also: MARILYN MANSON SUCKS!!! That is all :)

[Havet]

Fuck this thread title...again.

[Bud Struggle]

If this doesn't cheer up Jazzy nothing will!

fGP-ckFH3ts

[hatzel]

If this doesn't cheer up Jazzy nothing will!


Since when did Jazzy Jeff post on RevLeft?! ...oh...sorry...so, anybody else feel like turning this thread into a bit of a Fresh Prince Appreciation Society? :)

[Che a chara]

Since when did Jazzy Jeff post on RevLeft?! ...oh...sorry...so, anybody else feel like turning this thread into a bit of a Fresh Prince Appreciation Society? :)

http://tvrecappersanonymous.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/carlton-dance_o_gifsoup-com.gif

[¿Que?]

bxulantPiXI

:crying:

[hatzel]

If anybody can find the scene when that huge guy finds them in a hotel room with his girlfriend and they end up on the ledge in their underwear (am I remembering this scene correctly? :confused:), I'd be very grateful! That was a jokes scene :lol:

[Che a chara]

bxulantPiXI

:crying:

Man the fuck up dude, otherwise you'll be seen next at the at the end of the bridge like our dearly departed Trevor:

WfsXo1i75Rg

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Faye Reagan is hot. Normally I don't care whos actually in a pornographic vid or remember, and usually I find redheads repulsive. But she is hot.

[Bud Struggle]

Faye Reagan is hot. Normally I don't care whos actually in a pornographic vid or remember, and usually I find redheads repulsive. But she is hot.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zqFoq3qej2c/TB-3neWMhqI/AAAAAAABZbI/zig4Q0GFB2s/S1600-R/sex+doll+hoodies.png

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

haha bud very funny. it's about what Ive come to since old girl and i arent together anymore. My work scheldule was a bit too much, plus this fucking weather I think.

It sucks, im back to making my own food and doing all the chores and not having anyone else. I mean shit the fact that I watch porn again is sad enough.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

[snip]

I think it's a bad idea to post pictures of your old girlfriends.

[L.A.P.]

but also: Marilyn manson sucks!!! That is all :)

you suck!

[hatzel]

you suck!

Sweet comeback, bro :thumbup1:

[Ele'ill]

If I'm in a dark mood I usually listen to dubstep.










Just kidding, when I'm in a dark mood I usually listen to ambient music or sounds, like crickets or cicadas or Windy and Carl.

[psgchisolm]

Faye Reagan is hot. Normally I don't care whos actually in a pornographic vid or remember, and usually I find redheads repulsive. But she is hot. faye is pretty hot but Lexi belle. mmm

[hatzel]

[To link this in with certain other threads]

...are any of these actresses leftists, then? :rolleyes:

P.S. I did a quick search on Wikipedia and agree with psgchisolm over TheCultofAbeLincoln. Soz.

[Havet]

P.S. I did a quick search on Wikipedia and agree with psgchisolm over TheCultofAbeLincoln. Soz.


1. soz 1854 up, 576 down
Nonsensical internet slang term for "sorry", used by illiterate morons who for some reason substitute a “z” for “rry”, the latter of which would take an entire quarter of a second to type out.

I feel sorry for you :(

[hatzel]

I'm proud of my moronic illiteracy :)

[#FF0000]

So I started playing Super Street Fighter IV online again, because, apparently, you don't need Xbox Live Gold for that.

I'm out of practice, I found out. I'm also way, way, way better with Ibuki than I am with Zangief, which is weird because I rushed through the campaign on Hardest mode with Zangief, but can't with Ibuki.

[Ele'ill]

Chun Li

[#FF0000]

I got absolutely demolished by two people playing Chun Li.

[Havet]

Im actually the one to feel sorry about

my ps3 got the YLOD and now im back to my ps1 and Lego Racers :3

[#FF0000]

A friend of mine lost his financial aid and had to move back home and sell all of his games, consoles, and his extremely ballin gaming PC that he saved up for a few years to buy the parts for.

I was hanging out with him just a few days ago. We were all gonna go out but we are poor so instead we decided to hang out at my house and drink heavily while we shuffled through our late bills.

EDIT: such is life in moscow

EDIT 2: It was also his birthday when he sold all his games at gamestop.

[Havet]

A friend of mine lost his financial aid and had to move back home and sell all of his games, consoles, and his extremely ballin gaming PC that he saved up for a few years to buy the parts for.

I was hanging out with him just a few days ago. We were all gonna go out but we are poor so instead we decided to hang out at my house and drink heavily while we shuffled through our late bills.

EDIT: such is life in moscow

EDIT 2: It was also his birthday when he sold all his games at gamestop.

Yes, obviously my case is nothing compared to other people's. At least I still have a ps1

[hatzel]

...all this nerdy computer talk and I'm like 'whaaaaa? :confused:' :)

[Ele'ill]

I have a gaming pc that I use almost entirely for writing, photo editing and video editing.

[Ele'ill]

chatter cold
die hope
reactionary xxi

[Havet]

uploading my new video right now

visit the year 1990 for 6 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btw mari3l, sinnead o'connor is the top 1 this year

[Ele'ill]

Kate Bush again. This song again.

o1s2ca8wDBk

IHMSejtVBXA

[Havet]

Kate Bush again. This song again.


Surely you mean this one?

-1pMMIe4hb4

Also, shouldnt we be posting this in the respective thread?

[Thug Lessons]

I'm going to eat ribs-nyo!
I'm going to eat ribs-nyo!

[Ele'ill]

Surely you mean this one?

-1pMMIe4hb4

Also, shouldnt we be posting this in the respective thread?

You mean also

OsgcnQs7iFA

[Havet]

You mean also


By the way, doesn't she also appear in The Time Machine movie (70s or 80s version, can't remmember) ?

[Ele'ill]

wut

[Amphictyonis]

Nobody fucks with the Jesus

u-IterwA_-E

[Thug Lessons]

wut

This sort of strawmannery is really toxic to productive debate. Please feel free to visit ************* if this is your sort of thing. There's no need to report back.

[Thug Lessons]

Nobody fucks with the Jesus

u-IterwA_-E

This is what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps. This is what happens when you feed a horse scrambled eggs.

[Thug Lessons]

How do I create a RevLeft group? Or am I disallowed from doing so on account of my clearly arbitrary and unfair restriction?

[¿Que?]

I got a little problem with cheese... (http://www.mymediaplaylist.com/viewvideo/381/Family_Guy___Jake__amp__The_Fat_Man/)

[Ele'ill]

How do I create a RevLeft group? Or am I disallowed from doing so on account of my clearly arbitrary and unfair restriction?


http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/812/original/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif?1275684729

[#FF0000]

Holy fucking christ apartments are too fucking expensive.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Come to AC, some apartment cost $650. :3

[RGacky3]

Come to AC, some apartment cost $650. :3


Theres a reason for that.

[Havet]

Good news for heterosexual males!

http://www.themedguru.com/20091206/newsfeature/stare-boobs-longer-life-study-86131320.html

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

[To link this in with certain other threads]

...are any of these actresses leftists, then? :rolleyes:

P.S. I did a quick search on Wikipedia and agree with psgchisolm over TheCultofAbeLincoln. Soz.

I looked up Max Roach and Buddy Rich on wikipedia and determined that Roach was the better drummer.

I searched Lebron James and Kobe Bryant, and judging by the picture, Kobe is the better baller.

I looked up Thai cuisine and Filipino on wiki and found out I prefer Thai.

You cannot judge a professional based on their wikipedia profile pic. In fact you are degrading these hard working women when you post comments like that. You, sir, disgust me for your tastelessness.

And as always, do not take me seriously.

[hatzel]

BRRRRRAP!!! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12625748)

[hatzel]

Also my girlfriend just showed me this picture:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2543/3828368881_ef59d62a38.jpg

Suffices to say...the hair's a bit like mine, I have glasses and a beard...should I be scared? Is there some serious domestic abuse to come? I think I'll have to wear one of these from now on:

http://www.kidney-bingos.demon.co.uk/CPAN_Testing/pix/hard_hat.jpg

[General Ludd]

How do I create a RevLeft group? Or am I disallowed from doing so on account of my clearly arbitrary and unfair restriction?

Red Salute.

[Thug Lessons]

Welcome to RevLeft, General Ludd. And what an auspicious day to join too!

[Le Libérer]

Happy Lundi Gras, ya'll!

[danyboy27]

well, i guess its time to make my income declaration.

and beccause i am a lucky bastard(i live in quebec), i have to fill 2 income forms instead of 1, yayy.

first time ever i am doing it alone without help, and seriously, its aint that hard to do after all.

all it take is a 16 dollars software and an hour.

[Ele'ill]

I don't even know what I'm supposed to be doing with life right now- taxes? school stuff? Where am I, even?

[danyboy27]

I don't even know what I'm supposed to be doing with life right now- taxes? school stuff? Where am I, even?

what do you mean?

[Ele'ill]

what do you mean?


I mean I'm losing contact with what I understand to be a commonly shared reality with the rest of the human inhabitants on earth. I am drifting into an area of infrequently explored territory, at least in proportion with time spent thus far, and its assault team of 'actually real' is in full engagement but not to twist the localized reality of that, it's not unfamiliar at all. It's what I remember- I don't remember the other stuff. My sleep dreams are coming back, I had one last night despite the circumstances that would supposedly deny such. I had this dream that I was cast out of somewhere and I don't know what the somewhere was or is. I ended up on an overcast day meeting a man in chainmail- I had climbed and was hanging from a serious of wooden cross beams near a foggy lake or pond- everything was grey. Apparently I woke up as he approached and he had this weird reptilian wolf that he showed me- I gave it a piece of meat. It had black eyes. He said something like 'I have seen you there and now you need others, you need something else' it was just the two of us there but then there was a war horn blast and he directed me to a group of people who were approaching. They were all human but the implications were that they were goblins or orcs. They had on badass armor but were all friendly enough though I don't remember any conversations. I went back with them. They had a giant group meeting around the fire where their speakers talked about stuff I dont' remember. They then mentioned me being significant in something I had done somewhere else- and that I was to be acknowledged for my experience there. There were people showing up that I remembered from my life who had been more experienced in various fields that I knew them from. They asked me my opinion on things but it was a mutual respect. There was a long and loud battle horn with drums that started up and everyone started suiting up in armor. Apparently we were going to war.

[Thug Lessons]

Sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays!

[Ele'ill]

Sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays!

I would take frequent case of the Mondays as quickly as I could but somebody else wouldn't be getting a fair deal at all.

[T-Paine]

Where do you guys get most of your news?

I read nytimes.com and have a subscription to Newsweek. I also enjoy watching Al Jazeera.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I read nytimes as well, it's by far my faorite daily paper. I like al jazeera for middle east news, but I'd recommend checking out The Economist as far as mags go. Newsweek isn't horrible, but Time has really turned into People over the last decade or so. It's quite sad.

[T-Paine]

I read nytimes as well, it's by far my faorite daily paper. I like al jazeera for middle east news, but I'd recommend checking out The Economist as far as mags go. Newsweek isn't horrible, but Time has really turned into People over the last decade or so. It's quite sad.

I'm looking into spending some flyer points on a few months The Economist actually.

Even though Al Jazeera is very Middle East-centric (it does put a lot of other places in too), it's far more informative than anything else on TV in the US. I'd rather get real news about abroad then get this fake talking heads "reporting" even if the topics are more related to me.

[Thug Lessons]

The Economist is a pile of stinking shit.

[Skooma Addict]

The Economist is a pile of stinking shit.

How so?

[Thug Lessons]

Because it tells libertarians like you and Lungfish exactly what you want to hear, and nothing more.

[Skooma Addict]

Because it tells libertarians like you and Lungfish exactly what you want to hear, and nothing more.

OK so in other words you haven't read it. Thought so.

Where do you get our news?

[Thug Lessons]

OK so in other words you haven't read it. Thought so.

I wish.


Where do you get our news?

Twitter.

[Skooma Addict]

I wish.

If what you said was true then why did the Economist support Obama?


Twitter.

If your sources of the news are biased it is OK to admit it.

[Lt. Ferret]

went to san diego. hung out with some sailors. spent the night at a marines house drinking 100 dollar tequila. spent sunday with a soldier drinking whiskey and playing videogames. fighting depression. not necessarily working.

got in a car accident today, a minor one, a car clipped me while passing me, knocked off my mirror and scratched up my paint. then the guy has the gall to call me later in the day and want my insurance information (were both soldiers and our vehicles were okay) because he has a dent he wants fixed.

so now things will get complicated.

[Thug Lessons]

If what you said was true then why did the Economist support Obama?

Because he was hardly a radical leftist and was obviously going to win by the time they endorsed him. They're free-market shills, not complete idiots.


If your sources of the news are biased it is OK to admit it.

I don't actually read the news, I just bloviate and fart and stink up the forums and make everyone leave. Then I piss my pants.

[Skooma Addict]

Because he was hardly a radical leftist and was obviously going to win by the time they endorsed him. They're free-market shills, not complete idiots.A libertarian does not just endorse someone because they are going to win. Also just because he isn't a radical-leftist doesn't mean it is in line with libertarian beliefs to support him. If what you said was true the economist would have supported a third party or pointed out the flaws in both candidates and claimed neither were worth supporting.

That was 1 example. There are many instances where The Economist goes against libertarian beliefs.


I don't actually read the news, I just bloviate and fart and stink up the forums and make everyone leave. Then I piss my pants.
Well you already made it very clear that you don't read the economist. I was wondering if you actually read the news. based your responses I assume you either a.) seriously don't read the news, or b.) get your news from sources more prejudiced than the economist.

[Thug Lessons]

The Economist isn't really pure news though, it's a news magazine with a free marketier spin. I don't subscribe to any newspapers or news magazines right now, and use online services almost entirely.

[psgchisolm]

went to san diego. hung out with some sailors. spent the night at a marines house drinking 100 dollar tequila. spent sunday with a soldier drinking whiskey and playing videogames. fighting depression. not necessarily working.

got in a car accident today, a minor one, a car clipped me while passing me, knocked off my mirror and scratched up my paint. then the guy has the gall to call me later in the day and want my insurance information (were both soldiers and our vehicles were okay) because he has a dent he wants fixed.

so now things will get complicated.
take his ass to court. Get pictures of the scratched paint and a picture of the color of his car. Since his car scratched yours his paint should have rubbed off on your car so you may have a counter-claim. Take him for everything he has. Even the unit patch on his "hook and loop"(velcro) tab.

[danyboy27]

i heard the financial time is much more better.

[Thug Lessons]

Better than the WSJ at least.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

The economist is bent towards a freer market, I agree. As such it's much more informative, in my opinion, than many other news mags. I am capable of drawing seperate conclusions, and their reporting often highlights things I wouldn' have considered.

To the original point, the guardian is pretty good but a bit preachy in my opinion. The New Yorker is also a good mag, but more of ina readers digest approach to news kinda way.

[#FF0000]

Mogwai is a bunch of motherfuckers because they're playing in Philly and I can't make it that day.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Today I qualified Nuclear Field Electrical Operator, US Navy. It's been just shy of two years of training that put anything else academic I've experienced to complete and utter shame.

Feels amazing. And yes, I'll run your reactor plant just hit me up.

[hatzel]

I'll run your reactor plant just hit me up.

Oh! That's great, because I've got this reactor in the back room and I have absolutely no idea what to do with it, so I guess it's just going to waste...:)

[Bud Struggle]

Where do you guys get most of your news?


Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, New of the World and TMZ. What else would you need? :)

[Edit] And as a Bourgeoisie I learn alot about the Proletarian condition from watching Cops and Jerry Springer. Great shows.

[Havet]

I mean I'm losing contact with what I understand to be a commonly shared reality with the rest of the human inhabitants on earth. I am drifting into an area of infrequently explored territory, at least in proportion with time spent thus far, and its assault team of 'actually real' is in full engagement but not to twist the localized reality of that, it's not unfamiliar at all. It's what I remember- I don't remember the other stuff. My sleep dreams are coming back, I had one last night despite the circumstances that would supposedly deny such. I had this dream that I was cast out of somewhere and I don't know what the somewhere was or is. I ended up on an overcast day meeting a man in chainmail- I had climbed and was hanging from a serious of wooden cross beams near a foggy lake or pond- everything was grey. Apparently I woke up as he approached and he had this weird reptilian wolf that he showed me- I gave it a piece of meat. It had black eyes. He said something like 'I have seen you there and now you need others, you need something else' it was just the two of us there but then there was a war horn blast and he directed me to a group of people who were approaching. They were all human but the implications were that they were goblins or orcs. They had on badass armor but were all friendly enough though I don't remember any conversations. I went back with them. They had a giant group meeting around the fire where their speakers talked about stuff I dont' remember. They then mentioned me being significant in something I had done somewhere else- and that I was to be acknowledged for my experience there. There were people showing up that I remembered from my life who had been more experienced in various fields that I knew them from. They asked me my opinion on things but it was a mutual respect. There was a long and loud battle horn with drums that started up and everyone started suiting up in armor. Apparently we were going to war.

You need to watch more Bear Grylls

[Che a chara]

You need to watch more Bear Grylls

He's the only (former) british army member i have any admiration for !! ;) I love his show

[Le Libérer]

Sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays!

I did, I cried all day. But I'm better today.

[Le Libérer]

The Economist is a pile of stinking shit.

Except it was Karl Marx's fav cappie rag.

[Le Libérer]

I spent all last night trying to get the authorities to rescue a neglected puppy. I'm sleepy now.

[StockholmSyndrome]

I watched the movie "The Trotsky" last night. I expected it to be stupid, but it was actually pretty good. It was funny, smart, and had a great message about schools, education, and democracy/empowerment. Anybody here seen it?

[Le Libérer]

All Hail Krewe of Zulu, rollin' in New Orleans & Mr. Louie, King Zulu of 1949.
"Come home, honey."

nXFFI9budNI
Laissez les bon temps rouler!!!

[Thug Lessons]

Except it was Karl Marx's fav cappie rag.

He was clearly reading a different magazine then than we are today.

http://i.imgur.com/OF7W4.jpg

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

In Marx's time, The Economist opposed sending aid to the Irish during the famine. Yet apparently he read and appreciated it.

Today, the rag supported the war in Iraq, supports the war in Afghanistan, and nothing more needs to be said about the pic above (actually, more could be said on the role the us prez plays, and the failure of bush to folow his own roadmap which clearly laid out the creation of a palestinian state and how W.'s own failings would not have been obvious at that time).

Yet it's still the best news weeky imo

[danyboy27]

is the financial time worth reading?

Tom hartmann always say its worthy of reading beccause this is what rich people say to other rich peoples.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I don't know, no experience with it.

BTW, I meant to get my mom a gift and ended up subscribing myself to Vanity Fair. Not exactly political, not exactly aimed at a 22 year old male. But it's good shit in my opinion.

[hatzel]

I meant to get my mom a gift and ended up subscribing myself to Vanity Fair. Not exactly political

Try telling that to Gacky :)

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

RllF93zEqIM

Isn't she beautiful? One of the most gorgeous machines ever made in my opinion. There is absolutely nothing like seeing a steam locomotive in person, something about it stirs the soul.



Try telling that to Gacky :)


To be fair it's kinda political, like Rolling Stone is kinda political. It's just the gossip is, unlike Rolling Stone, quite a good read and not absolute shit. Not really a good comparison, because Vanity Fair doesn't just type of the same rehashed political article in every single issue.

[#FF0000]

Considering:

1. I woke up at about 1:00 PM and made French Toast
2. I am on Spring break
3. I ain't got nowhere to be.
4. My friend got me Pokemon Black

Answer me this:

Is #FF0000 wearing pants today?

[Ele'ill]

I am simultaneously incompetent and unwilling to get my life straight.

[hatzel]

I am simultaneously incompetent and unwilling to get my life straight.

This seems to be a recurring theme in your posts. Sounds much like me, though, we should start a club :)

[Ele'ill]

I don't have a goal regarding 'career'. I can't envision doing anything at all.

[#FF0000]

well just don't get discouraged or too down on yourself.

http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/102/844/original/CourageWolf1.jpg?1299009400

[Bud Struggle]

Post from CotR over in that "other" part of RevLeft:


And how did I know you were going to work this thread into an anti revleft rant?
Why dont you just leave instead of coming back over and over ranting about how things are run here? Do us all a favor.

And no we arent going to edit 100s of threads because you want to take your toys and run. Fucking get over it.

Thread closed and trashed.

So Totally HOT!:tt1::tt1::tt1:

[Le Libérer]

I don't have a goal regarding 'career'. I can't envision doing anything at all.

Thats not unusual. I was 30 before I knew what I wanted to do.

[Bud Struggle]

Thats not unusual. I was 30 before I knew what I wanted to do.

So what DO you want to do?
;)

[Le Libérer]

So what DO you want to do?
;)

You know what I want. :D

[PhoenixAsh]

is there a charge for that club? :(:)

[¿Que?]

You know what I want. :D
Sorry, first thing I thought of.

vj6aIK_WXhU

[#FF0000]

Oh no. I found a whole loaf a bread that went stale for some reason. Whatever will I do?

French Toast party motherfucker.

[RGacky3]

I am simultaneously incompetent and unwilling to get my life straight.


Thats not unusual. I was 30 before I knew what I wanted to do.

I think very few people actually know ever what they want to do, they just do. Very few people actually have a long term plan and make it, most of it is just you do something and get along with it, and make the best out of it.

Of coarse there are some people who ar 12 years old dreaming of one day being an engineer, and those are the lucky people, (assuming they are fortunate enough to have the opportunity to do so), or who just LOVE cars or computers or something), but most people have no idea.

Also your probably not incompetent, I really doubt it.

[#FF0000]

omg guys is it possible to die of French Toast

please respond this is important

[RGacky3]

Its not only possible, its likely.

[#FF0000]

oh no oh no oh no oh no what have i done

[danyboy27]

omg guys is it possible to die of French Toast

please respond this is important

One of my uncle went to the hospital beccause of it when he was younger.

it was a family challenge, how much french toast can you eat before the schoolbus would come pick them up.

[Bud Struggle]

Its not only possible, its likely.

Not only is it likely--I've done it once in a previous life.

[#FF0000]

So I was at the store with my brother and he saw a bunch of white people at a check out line and said, with scorn and anger-

"Look at that pack of whites."

I don't know why I'm laughing so much.

[Bud Struggle]

I don't know why I'm laughing so much.

Drugs.:D

[StockholmSyndrome]

I'm feeling super reactionary tonight. I just reacted all over my computer.

[Lt. Ferret]

clean that shit up.

[RGacky3]

oh no oh no oh no oh no what have i done

All right listen really closely, fill a glass half of tequila and half scotch whiskey, pop 3 vicodin and chug the class, Snort one line of Cocaine, and then take off your pants and underwear, JUST THAT (leave your shirt on) go out side and juts run run run.

Thats how you fix French Toast overdose.

[RedAnarchist]

So I was at the store with my brother and he saw a bunch of white people at a check out line and said, with scorn and anger-

"Look at that pack of whites."

I don't know why I'm laughing so much.

If they were rather geeky whites, you could say that they were a nerd of whites.

[StockholmSyndrome]

There's a thread in the main board which states that progressive liberals should be considered center-right and not center-left. If this is so, then who would be considered center-left?

Edit: Oh i see. I guess they were talking about the Democrats who call themselves progressive liberals here in the United States when they are really a center-right party, as opposed to the actual center-left parties in Europe? Anyways I don't think thats enough to call progressive liberals right wing. I mean, what if there was a conservative party that called themselves Marxist? Would that be enough then to classify Marxism as a right-wing ideology? I think the OP MarxistMan is a bit of a simpleton...oops sorry was that too elitist?

[T-Paine]

There's a thread in the main board which states that progressive liberals should be considered center-right and not center-left. If this is so, then who would be considered center-left?

Edit: Oh i see. I guess they were talking about the Democrats who call themselves progressive liberals here in the United States when they are really a center-right party, as opposed to the actual center-left parties in Europe? Anyways I don't think thats enough to call progressive liberals right wing. I mean, what if there was a conservative party that called themselves Marxist? Would that be enough then to classify Marxism as a right-wing ideology? I think the OP MarxistMan is a bit of a simpleton...oops sorry was that too elitist?

It's true that the general American political spectrum itself is shifted to the right compared to Europe, but the Democratic party in its entirety is not center-right. The Democratic party is very diverse, ranging from the conservative Blue Dog Democrats from the south to people like Jesse Jackson Jr. who thinks the Constitution should be amended so that everyone is entitled to have an iPod.

[#FF0000]

It's true that the general American political spectrum itself is shifted to the right compared to Europe, but the Democratic party in its entirety is not center-right. The Democratic party is very diverse, ranging from the conservative Blue Dog Democrats from the south to people like Jesse Jackson Jr. who thinks the Constitution should be amended so that everyone is entitled to have an iPod.

I can get behind that actually.

But yeah there's very few center-left democrats, I think.

[Bud Struggle]

There's a thread in the main board which states....


OI is the main board.

[hatzel]

OI is the main board.

Indeed. The rest of the site is just the boards which a subsection of RevLeft's users are allowed to post on. That's why I mainly stick to OI. More varied crowd in here :cool:

[Ele'ill]

OI is the main board.

If OI were the main board you'd all be banned by now.

[hatzel]

I think we should establish an OI OI forum. For the people who even the OIers want rid of.

[Ele'ill]

I think we should establish an OI OI forum. For the people who even the OIers want rid of.

I would be equally shocked as disappointed if my name was not mentioned.

[Thug Lessons]

I think we should establish an OI OI forum. For the people who even the OIers want rid of.

I don't think we need an entire forum just for your posts???:confused:

[hatzel]

I don't think we need an entire forum just for your posts???:confused:

Luckily, I'm not restricted, so RevLeft is my oyster :)

Still, very witty, well done...

[Ele'ill]

We already have this mythical forum and it's called the trashcan.

[hatzel]

It's by far my favourite forum. Great thread in there about 'boobies'. Totally revolutionary stuff.

[Che a chara]

The 'UK' census takes place on 27th March 2011, but who has access to the information you fill in ?

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Any advice on whether to boycott it or what ? I hear there maybe a £1000 fine for failling to return it or for deliberately filling it in incorrectly.

[Ele'ill]

Fuck with them relentlessly.

[T-Paine]

The 'UK' census takes place on 27th March 2011, but who has access to the information you fill in ?

Any advice on whether to boycott it or what ? I hear there maybe a £1000 fine for failling to return it or for deliberately filling it in incorrectly.

Wow, just another reason why the census should only seek to find out the population. Although, I have a feeling that if anyone really wanted your personal information they could get it regardless.

[#FF0000]

Maaaaaaan I can't wait to move out.

[Ele'ill]

Maaaaaaan I can't wait to move out.

Did it work out?

[#FF0000]

Not sure exactly what you're referring to but generally, no things haven't been working out too well.

[Kiev Communard]

I mean, what if there was a conservative party that called themselves Marxist? Would that be enough then to classify Marxism as a right-wing ideology?

Off-topic: there exist actually right-wing conservative parties who use the term "Marxist-Leninist" to describe themselves. I am speaking about phoney "Communist" parties of post-Soviet space, including those of Russia and Ukraine:

http://books.google.com/books?id=_1kkQYEq_P0C&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=right-wing+ideology+of+CPRF&source=bl&ots=M8_zwdNvIo&sig=__WsoTKcB_1qqnbBWcGlKE3Ezh4&hl=ru&ei=yfx5TbrxII3OswbeutnXBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Again today here in the northeastern usa it is grey and shitty outside. But that's ok, I'm leaving for san diego in a few days. It is impossible for me to describe how grateful I am to be leaving this horrendous region of the country behind me forever.

[Revolution starts with U]

The West is Jumpin!!

[hatzel]

I'm currently writing an essay entitled On the Concept of a Halachic Kingdom. That means I'm like totally cool, if I spend my life like this :cool:

[Ele'ill]

Not sure exactly what you're referring to but generally, no things haven't been working out too well.

I believe you had mentioned earlier somewhere that you were looking for a place- or something along those lines. I thought that your post 'maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan can't wait to move out' implied that you had found a place. There have been quite a few revlefters looking for places and moving around, perhaps it was someone else.

[Ele'ill]

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[ComradeMan]

The Earth's axis has been shifted by 10cm apparently...

[Ele'ill]

The Earth's axis has been shifted by 10cm apparently...


This also happened during the last earthquake.

[ComradeMan]

This also happened during the last earthquake.

The Chile earthquake is estimated to have shifted the Earth's axis by about 8-9cm and shortened the length of the day by 1.26 seconds.

This radioactive/atomic alert is worrying me...

[Che a chara]

"If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas."

So fucking true.

[#FF0000]

I believe you had mentioned earlier somewhere that you were looking for a place- or something along those lines. I thought that your post 'maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan can't wait to move out' implied that you had found a place. There have been quite a few revlefters looking for places and moving around, perhaps it was someone else.

Naaaah. I'm just hatin' being a dependent right now.

[hatzel]

So these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany) are busy in Marburg handing out black balloons to kids telling 'politics suck!' I'm sure Bud would praise them for getting out there and making a difference, rather than just sitting at home theorising. I'm sure everybody else wished they'd spend their whole lives at home theorising, so that they'd not be out there making the wrong kind of difference...

[¿Que?]

So these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany) are busy in Marburg handing out black balloons to kids telling 'politics suck!' I'm sure Bud would praise them for getting out there and making a difference, rather than just sitting at home theorising. I'm sure everybody else wished they'd spend their whole lives at home theorising, so that they'd not be out there making the wrong kind of difference...
IDK, they seem too pragmatic and not idealistic enough for me. But I can get behind their serious, not humorous at all approach.

[Bud Struggle]

So these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany) are busy in Marburg handing out black balloons to kids telling 'politics suck!' I'm sure Bud would praise them for getting out there and making a difference, rather than just sitting at home theorising. I'm sure everybody else wished they'd spend their whole lives at home theorising, so that they'd not be out there making the wrong kind of difference...

There is nothing wrong with guys like this having their say.

[Havet]

200 000 people protest in Portugal's capital city, Lisbon (saw those numbers in TV)

http://www2.wsav.com/news/2011/mar/12/amid-crisis-portuguese-youth-takes-to-streets-ar-1572181/

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And also, fellow anarchists were present:

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[Bud Struggle]

Interesting article in the Atlantic about how best to get into Ivy Universities. It's a vastly competitive environs and the kids that et in have been traning for it for years--under very strict parents. It's a winner take all situation.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1969/12/the-ivy-delusion/8397/1/

Asians seem to be playing the game much better than Americans. It seems the AMerican system is way too soft on the kids. Myself coming from immigrant parents--there definitely was a push to get into a first class university and succeed in American culture and business--and I think I kept that standard up for my kids. I just wonder if they will for their kids if they get too comfortable in the American way of life.

It's a competitive world out there.

[Ele'ill]

Interesting article in the Atlantic about how best to get into Ivy Universities. It's a vastly competitive environs and the kids that et in have been traning for it for years--under very strict parents. It's a winner take all situation.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1969/12/the-ivy-delusion/8397/1/

Asians seem to be playing the game much better than Americans. It seems the AMerican system is way too soft on the kids. Myself coming from immigrant parents--there definitely was a push to get into a first class university and succeed in American culture and business--and I think I kept that standard up for my kids. I just wonder if they will for their kids if they get too comfortable in the American way of life.

It's a competitive world out there.

What are these talents doing?

[Revolution starts with U]

Speculating on oil prices thereby driving people out of their homes and crashing the economy.
De/regulating the economy to a point of absudity and handing the treasury over to tyrants and sociopaths, and crashing the economy.

Some of them are learning the migratory patterns of butterflies, the effects of education on poverty, and/or coming ever closer to understanding the Big Bang tho... so it's not all bad :lol:

[Bud Struggle]

The main benefit of going to one of the better schools is that you tend to know people that can be helpful to you.

The people that go to these schools often become successful and they help you become sucessful--and you help them when you can.

Also if you are poor the Ivys are the least expensive way to get an education--a lot less expensive than state schools. (If you are poor. If you are rich--you pay through the nose.)

[Bud Struggle]

The main point though is that the best way to raise a child or be raised as a child is strictly as in Amy Choa's book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hymn_of_the_Tiger_Mother

Which has these points that her kid should never,


attend a sleepover
have a playdate
be in a school play
complain about not being in a school play
watch TV or play computer games
choose their own extracurricular activities
get any grade less than an A
not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
play any instrument other than the piano or violin
not play the piano or violin.

[Ele'ill]

What about drugs?

[¿Que?]

The main benefit of going to one of the better schools is that you tend to know people that can be helpful to you.

The people that go to these schools often become successful and they help you become sucessful--and you help them when you can.

Also if you are poor the Ivys are the least expensive way to get an education--a lot less expensive than state schools. (If you are poor. If you are rich--you pay through the nose.)
Except that if you're poor you're way less likely to get into those schools because you went to high school in a poorer district, and thus are less prepared for college. You probably have lower SAT score, and even if you manage to get into those schools, you're more likely to drop out, and even if you don't drop out, you've probably not taken the advanced placement classes most other students take in high school, so you're likely to struggle your first few years. Particularly if you're a first generation college student, you're parents will be clueless as to how to help you succeed, and the college environment will be more than happy to show you the way out. Plus, Magnify everything tenfold if you're a person of color. I'd say if you're poor, go to an HSI or MSI, regardless of race. You'll do better and enjoy it more.

[#FF0000]

The main point though is that the best way to raise a child or be raised as a child is strictly as in Amy Choa's book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hymn_of_the_Tiger_Mother

Which has these points that her kid should never,


attend a sleepover
have a playdate
be in a school play
complain about not being in a school play
watch TV or play computer games
choose their own extracurricular activities
get any grade less than an A
not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
play any instrument other than the piano or violin
not play the piano or violin.



did you know that asian american women ages 15-24 have the highest rates of suicide and depression?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The main point though is that the best way to raise a child or be raised as a child is strictly as in Amy Choa's book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hymn_of_the_Tiger_Mother

Which has these points that her kid should never,


attend a sleepover
have a playdate
be in a school play
complain about not being in a school play
watch TV or play computer games
choose their own extracurricular activities
get any grade less than an A
not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
play any instrument other than the piano or violin
not play the piano or violin.


Sounds like hell. I'm glad my parents were nothing like that at all.

[#FF0000]

I kind of wish my parents forced me to play a musical instrument.

[Bud Struggle]

Except that if you're poor you're way less likely to get into those schools because you went to high school in a poorer district, and thus are less prepared for college. You probably have lower SAT score, and even if you manage to get into those schools, you're more likely to drop out, and even if you don't drop out, you've probably not taken the advanced placement classes most other students take in high school, so you're likely to struggle your first few years. Particularly if you're a first generation college student, you're parents will be clueless as to how to help you succeed, and the college environment will be more than happy to show you the way out. Plus, Magnify everything tenfold if you're a person of color. I'd say if you're poor, go to an HSI or MSI, regardless of race. You'll do better and enjoy it more.

Except again that the Asians seem to surmount those problems quite easily. They take advantage of AP and IB programs and move ahead very easily through the system.

Largely they have strong family and work ethics and a strong (I guess) sense of competition.

Plus Ivy and other better schools have certain spots slated for people with difficult backgrounds. Which makes the competition for the remaining spots even more competitive.

[¿Que?]

Except again that the Asians seem to surmount those problems quite easily. They take advantage of AP and IB programs and move ahead very easily through the system.

Largely they have strong family and work ethics and a strong (I guess) sense of competition.
I doubt it has anything to do with family and work ethics. What are you saying, blacks and Latinos don't have strong family and work ethics?


Plus Ivy and other better schools have certain spots slated for people with difficult backgrounds. Which makes the competition for the remaining spots even more competitive.
But what does that have anything to do with the high attrition rates, mostly among blacks and Latinos?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Having a good "work ethic" is a highly overrated Calvinist virtue.

[Bud Struggle]

I doubt it has anything to do with family and work ethics. So what do you think it is?


What are you saying, blacks and Latinos don't have strong family and work ethics? Did I say that? Don't put words in my mouth.



But what does that have anything to do with the high attrition rates, mostly among blacks and Latinos? So why are there high attrition rates?

From what the article and the book state it's family support.

[Bud Struggle]

Having a good "work ethic" is a highly overrated Calvinist virtue.

Though very few Asians seem to have heard of Calvin. :D

[Ele'ill]

My excellent work ethic basically means I'm good at treading water.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Though very few Asians seem to have heard of Calvin. :D

All Asians have experienced & heard of capitalism, though.

Sounds like someone needs to brush up on their Max Weber and RH Tawney.

[¿Que?]

So what do you think it is?
I think it's because by and large, the US is still segregated. And it's been shown that segregation has very negative social consequences for marginalized groups.


Did I say that? Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I was asking. It seemed to be implicit in what you were saying.


So why are there high attrition rates?

From what the article and the book state it's family support.
Family support is just vague enough a term to sound neutral, and value laden enough to sound right. But to me, it's coming off as ideologically charged and classist.

[#FF0000]

Except again that the Asians seem to surmount those problems quite easily. They take advantage of AP and IB programs and move ahead very easily through the system.
Largely they have strong family and work ethics and a strong (I guess) sense of competition.

That's kind of a myth. The Asian families that fulfill the "model minority" stereotype tend to be families who came to the US with wealth. Otherwise, social mobility is virtually nonexistent (according to one paper I read on it) among asians.

I can't find the exact study that told me this, though. I want to say it was from Princeton but I don't think it was.


Plus Ivy and other better schools have certain spots slated for people with difficult backgrounds. Which makes the competition for the remaining spots even more competitive.Yeah but I don't think this matters too much. I mean, yeah, definitely, if a kid's from a rough background and does stellar, they'll get into the Ivies for chump change, if anything. That really can't be denied. But I don't think that's the problem. The problem is that being poor and going to public school already puts one at a disadvantage, for a number of reasons, and academics actually isn't one of them (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090226093423.htm). It's like you said before -- private schools like that give people a chance to network with other people, which is really how one gets an advantage in society. It's not about what you do, but who you know.

tl;dr, the asian "family values" thing is kind of a myth that relies on the fact that asians are a tiny demographic and thus it's kind of hard to get a handle on things like social mobility in regards to that particular community.

edit: goddamn they should just give me my teaching certification right now.

[hatzel]

...I'll just say at this point that I like the word 'crasian', particularly to describe the parents of those 3 year old kids you see on YouTube sometimes playing virtuoso violin pieces. Seriously crasian...

[Bud Struggle]

I think it's because by and large, the US is still segregated. And it's been shown that segregation has very negative social consequences for marginalized groups. I'm all for blaiming "the man" and "the system" and "society" but if some people could do it and some can't--there's more to it than that.


I'm not putting words in your mouth, I was asking. It seemed to be implicit in what you were saying. I was saying I don't know why. I think a large part is becase some cultures have more stable family structures.


Family support is just vague enough a term to sound neutral, and value laden enough to sound right. But to me, it's coming off as ideologically charged and classist. That's just you being being PC. A stable family life is an important factor in achievement. So are dedicated parents. Those aren't cultural things those are factors of personal responsibility.


That's kind of a myth. The Asian families that fulfill the "model minority" stereotype tend to be families who came to the US with wealth. Otherwise, social mobility is virtually nonexistent (according to one paper I read on it) among asians.

I can't find the exact study that told me this, though. I want to say it was from Princeton but I don't think it was. I would actually like to see that report--because I don't believe it (not you -the report.)


Yeah but I don't think this matters too much. I mean, yeah, definitely, if a kid's from a rough background and does stellar, they'll get into the Ivies for chump change, if anything. That really can't be denied. But I don't think that's the problem. The problem is that being poor and going to public school already puts one at a disadvantage, for a number of reasons, and academics actually isn't one of them (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090226093423.htm). It's like you said before -- private schools like that give people a chance to network with other people, which is really how one gets an advantage in society. It's not about what you do, but who you know. There are bad public schools--but most are pretty good and there are all sorts of IB and AP courses breing offered everwhere. My kids go to a public school--they get bussed across town to go there because the school district put the best curriculae in the school on the "other side of the tacks" to help the kids that live in that area. So from what I see the school administrators are doing a fabulous job.


tl;dr, the asian "family values" thing is kind of a myth that relies on the fact that asians are a tiny demographic and thus it's kind of hard to get a handle on things like social mobility in regards to that particular community.

edit: goddamn they should just give me my teaching certification right now. They are 2-3% of the population but 19 percent of the classes at Harvard and other first ranked schools--and the problem is that even at 19% they are being redlined so that Harvard and the other Ivys don't turn 90% Asian.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-03-28/opinion/20447373_1_asian-americans-universities-new-american-immigrants/2

Good luck with your certification.


...I'll just say at this point that I like the word 'crasian', particularly to describe the parents of those 3 year old kids you see on YouTube sometimes playing virtuoso violin pieces. Seriously crasian...

A lot of that stuff is over the top--but you are seeing one video of one kid that just may be seriously talented. There are 7 billion people in the world and amybe 500 kid videos.

Also there are crazy parents.

[Havet]

Did everyone just ignore my post? :(

[Bud Struggle]

Did everyone just ignore my post? :(

Yes. :(:crying::lol:

[ComradeMan]

I agree with Bud on the stable family thing. It irritates me how some on the left are so anti-family all the time. Don't quote Marx to me either, he was married and fathered about 7 children or something.

[Le Libérer]

Comrade Man's Gumbo!

For shrimp and okra gumbo:

3 tablespoons of vegetable oil
3 tablespoons of flour
l large chopped onion
1 cup chopped celery
5 or 6 cloves, chopped garlic
1 cup of chopped green pepper
1 can of tomato sauce
1 can of tomatoes ("Rotel" tomatoes for a spicier taste!)
1 pound, fresh sliced okra (or 2 boxes of frozen sliced okra)
2 pounds of fresh shrimp
2 - 3 cups water
salt & pepper to taste
1 teaspoon of sugar
1 tablespoon of chopped parsley
1 bay leaf
Sprinkle of nutmeg
For seafood gumbo, add to the above:
1 small can of crabmeat or 3 fresh gumbo crabs
1 jar oysters

Slowly stir the flour into heated oil in a heavy cast iron skillet. Continue to stir until the flour is dark brown. The roux is the most important part. You cook the flour and oil until the color looks like its about to burn. Add the next 4 ingredients; stir until onions are clear.
Add tomato sauce. Stir until it gets crumbly or dry. Fry okra in another skillet until it is no longer sticky or stringy. Add tomatoes and fried okra.
Cook slowly, adding 2 to 3 cups of water--a little at a time. Season with salt and pepper to taste. Stir in one teaspoon of sugar. Sprinkle a bit of nutmeg (my secret ingredient)
Cook for about an hour on a low fire, stirring occasionally to prevent sticking to the bottom of pot; adding water if necessary. Add the shrimp and the bay leaf (and if desired, the oysters and crabmeat).
Cook another 30 minutes to an hour, adding seasoning to taste.
Serve over boiled or steamed rice.

If you can find it, sprinkle file' powder on before you eat. File is ground sassafras leaves.

[Le Libérer]

The main point though is that the best way to raise a child or be raised as a child is strictly as in Amy Choa's book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hymn_of_the_Tiger_Mother

Which has these points that her kid should never,


attend a sleepover
have a playdate
be in a school play
complain about not being in a school play
watch TV or play computer games
choose their own extracurricular activities
get any grade less than an A
not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
play any instrument other than the piano or violin
not play the piano or violin.


What about drugs?
The reason drugs isnt listed is because they are going to need them living through such a horrible existence. :crying:

My kids were raised ina completely bohemian household. And they are awesome, made it through the teens, carved quite interesting lives for themselves and are happy. Life is too short and can bve shit enough enough to stifle a childs life.

[Bud Struggle]

OK here's what I'm making today for cocktail hour (4ish).

Best with Bombay martinis. (Which I'm not drinking--I'm giving up liquor for Lent.:()

Black Skillet Roasted Mussels

1 oz. Extra Virgin Olive Oil
1 tsp Kosher Salt
1 tsp Finely Minced Garlic
18-20 pc Prince Edward Island Black Mussels

1. Place a 12 inch cast iron skillet on high heat for 5 mionutes to ensure the pan is extremely hot.

2. In a bowl toss all the ingredients together until well coated then place the ingredients onto the hot skillet and cook until all the mussels have opened. Then remove from the heat and serve with the melted butter.

[Bud Struggle]

My kids were raised ina completely bohemian household. And they are awesome, made it through the teens, carved quite interesting lives for themselves and are happy. Life is too short and can bve shit enough enough to stifle a childs life.

Your kids turned out great because you were/are a good Mommy. That's the real bottom line. If kids know they are loved and cared for and worried about they will turn out well.

I raise my kids closer to the "Asian model" but no where as draconian--and they are turning out pretty well. I still have a lot of that immigrant first generation born in America stuff floating around and I can't help but pass that along to my kids. Actually my oldest takes to responsibility and structure like a fish to water. And my second "adapts" it as sees fit.

Kids in the end make their own way.

[Le Libérer]

Kids in the end make their own way.

With or without their parents baggage. I gently led them away from harm but other than that, the only rule I had was, to live by their own convictions. I believe that ethics scales higher than morality.

Needless to say, I have 2 athiest children, 2 religious children. Out of the 4, the oldest is revolutionary and is the one that brought me out of liberalism. So yes, I may have been a good mom, but they are allowed to teach me.

[#FF0000]

I agree with Bud on the stable family thing. It irritates me how some on the left are so anti-family all the time. Don't quote Marx to me either, he was married and fathered about 7 children or something.

What do you mean "anti-family"?

[Bud Struggle]

What do you mean "anti-family"?

I remember someone saying a while back that children should be "collected" and then raised in group homes by trained professionals after the Revolution.

[Ele'ill]

lol

[Bud Struggle]

With or without their parents baggage. I gently led them away from harm but other than that, the only rule I had was, to live by their own convictions. I believe that ethics scales higher than morality.

Needless to say, I have 2 athiest children, 2 religious children. Out of the 4, the oldest is revolutionary and is the one that brought me out of liberalism. So yes, I may have been a good mom, but they are allowed to teach me.


But what rules you raised your children by was merely incidental. The fact that you were a good and loving parent and that your children felf loved and cherished was the deciding factor in how they turned out as human beings.

People have been raising children by a vast assortment of rules and non rules over the last million years--and some of those people became happy well adjusted people in the societies to which they belong. The deciding factor wasn't what they were taught, but rather the conditions of love and security and happiness in which they were raised.

[#FF0000]

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oh my god i love being alive now

[Ele'ill]

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oh my god i love being alive now[/QUOTE]

I do that sometimes when I've been drinking.


Edit- Apparently you can't quote something with broken tags.


Edit- and yeah, that's pretty amazing.

Edit- I will now post that to my facebook wall.

[RGacky3]

Largely they have strong family and work ethics and a strong (I guess) sense of competition.


And really high suicide rates .... In China they had to put netting around certain buildings to stop people from jumping out.

If you want your kids to get ahead financially at the cost of their mental and emotional health and social health then go right ahead.

Your kid will have a nice house, and good education, no friends and absoltely depressed and maybe he'll enjoy his house for a few years before he kills himself because he still thinks he's not good enough.

THats a TERRIBLE way to raise your kids and that Tiger Mom stuff is absolute bullshit.

[RGacky3]

As far as "strong families" those countries are also where they have higher rates of parent murder (kids killing their parents), and where one spouse lives in another country and works, while the other stays at home, meaning the kids are raised without their father, and just a "tiger" mom, does'nt sound healthy to me.

[#FF0000]

i really dont like this "model minority" "asian focus on education/success" stuff because it reminds me of a girl I knew in high school. she was a really, really great person, one of the nicest i've ever met, always smiling, always friendly, and really intelligent, top of the class.

And then, once the class rankings came out at the beginning of senior year, it turned out she was second in the class, and like a month later, she just became a different person and was never the same again.

I remember I told her once that she should stop doing the after-school things she hated, especially since it was halfway through senior year, since her extra-curriculars were pretty well-rounded anyway, bust most importantly i told her "you seem miserable all the time".

She said "I can be happy when I'm 40".

[¿Que?]

I'm all for blaiming "the man" and "the system" and "society" but if some people could do it and some can't--there's more to it than that.
Except that I'm talking about statistical probabilities. I mean, sure, some people make it out of that environment, and it's important to understand why and how they do it. In fact, when you're trying to raise those numbers, that's exactly what you'd be looking at. But I think you'll find rather than family interventions, such as encouraging single moms to marry because there is a statistical advantage for children coming out of two parent households, you'll find economic assistance a much better tool for lifting people out of poverty and encouraging educational success. Off the top of my head, I read a study that shows that financial aid directly affects success in college. But not just any financial aid. It's been shown that gift aid (free money for education) has a more positive effect on persistence rates than self-help only financial aid packages. In other words, students who receive grants and scholarships tend to do better than those who receive loans only (or a combination of the two). This is contrary to popular wisdom that if you're bogged down with loans, you'll have a higher incentive to do good, since you eventually have to pay those loans back...

Fenske, Robert, John Porter and Caryl DuBrock. 2000. "Tracking Financial Aid and Persistence of Women, Minority, and Needy Students in Science, Engineering, and Mathematics." Research in Higher Education 41(1):67-94

In any case, I believe I might have read somewhere, although I could be wrong, that family income is the strongest predictor of academic success, stronger than family structure even.


I was saying I don't know why. I think a large part is becase some cultures have more stable family structures
But then again, we're back to poverty and family income. Family structure itself is intimately linked to poverty and income indicators. I doubt the relationship is the way you seem to imply, that bad family structure leads to poverty. In fact, this idea has been thoroughly discredited, I think. More than likely it's the other way around: Family structure is negatively affected by poverty.


That's just you being being PC. A stable family life is an important factor in achievement. So are dedicated parents. Those aren't cultural things those are factors of personal responsibility.
I think my comments above pretty much answer this.

edit: Should we split this into its own thread?

[masty]

I remember someone saying a while back that children should be "collected" and then raised in group homes by trained professionals after the Revolution.
Well I'm reflexively grossed out by people talking about the right to raise/discipline 'their' kids the same way people talk about the right to keep 'their' womenfolk in line or whatever. Breaking up the capitalist family definitely involves breaking the arbitrary and completely unchallenged power parents have over children. So the Brave New World-style collective in-a-vat beep-beep-boop kidfarming is gross but not as gross as basically systemic abuse and servitude.

My upbringing was totally fine by the way and I get along great with my folks. Not that it matters but I wanted to nip amateur Freudianism in the bud

[Ele'ill]

Look at me stealing people's political poster pictures. I am such a trend follower because it feels good (and it's a badass poster)

[RGacky3]

Breaking up the capitalist family definitely involves breaking the arbitrary and completely unchallenged power parents have over children.

Imagen a world where children have equal say with their parents ... So much ice cream.

[Ele'ill]

What should I eat tonight


And what should I drink?

I have a surprise day off tomorrow so what's good?

[masty]

Imagen a world where children have equal say with their parents ... So much ice cream.
Yes that's what 'systemic abuse and servitude' mean.

[hatzel]

Bud's new avatar is byoo-tuh-full...:)

[Bud Struggle]

Bud's new avatar is byoo-tuh-full...:)

I think I've rubbed everybody's nose in the fact that I AM the GOLDEN CHE of REVLEFT and you guys ARE NOT long enough. Now I think RAAN are a bunch of clowns.

Back to my usual brilliant Avatar changes.

[Bud Struggle]

Except that I'm talking about statistical probabilities. I mean, sure, some people make it out of that environment, and it's important to understand why and how they do it. In fact, when you're trying to raise those numbers, that's exactly what you'd be looking at. But I think you'll find rather than family interventions, such as encouraging single moms to marry because there is a statistical advantage for children coming out of two parent households, you'll find economic assistance a much better tool for lifting people out of poverty and encouraging educational success. Off the top of my head, I read a study that shows that financial aid directly affects success in college. But not just any financial aid. It's been shown that gift aid (free money for education) has a more positive effect on persistence rates than self-help only financial aid packages. In other words, students who receive grants and scholarships tend to do better than those who receive loans only (or a combination of the two). This is contrary to popular wisdom that if you're bogged down with loans, you'll have a higher incentive to do good, since you eventually have to pay those loans back...

Fenske, Robert, John Porter and Caryl DuBrock. 2000. "Tracking Financial Aid and Persistence of Women, Minority, and Needy Students in Science, Engineering, and Mathematics." Research in Higher Education 41(1):67-94 I agree with all of that.


In any case, I believe I might have read somewhere, although I could be wrong, that family income is the strongest predictor of academic success, stronger than family structure even. I believe that, too. If Daddo gives you a million bucks, a VPship in the family business and a house on graduation--it augers well for your future.



But then again, we're back to poverty and family income. Family structure itself is intimately linked to poverty and income indicators. I doubt the relationship is the way you seem to imply, that bad family structure leads to poverty. In fact, this idea has been thoroughly discredited, I think. More than likely it's the other way around: Family structure is negatively affected by poverty. NOW a good point! And I disagree. There's been poverty down through the ages--but families seem to have been kept intact until recent days. The Black family has fallen apart since the 1960s. The same is happening to the
Hispanic family. That kind of thing didn't happen to the Jewish immigrants from Europein the 20s and 30s--and their children did very well in the American system. It's not happening to the Asian immigrants and those children are doing very well in the American system.

And the Jews and the Asians fill up most of the free slots in the Ivys. So why not the Blacks and the Hispanics (except, of course for the slots "alotted" to them.)

I'll grant you, the system sucks--though not at the college level. But I also think the individual that doesn't live up to his or her full potential is also at fault. the path to success is available--but one does have to try.


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edit: Should we split this into its own thread?

If you want. My intent was to spice up Chatter.

[hatzel]

V for Vendetta's on...that's a little bit of pointless information for all you people...

[¿Que?]

NOW a good point! And I disagree. There's been poverty down through the ages--but families seem to have been kept intact until recent days.
I'll bet if you look throughout time, you'll find very different family structures than what you see today. So this point is entirely without foundation.


The Black family has fallen apart since the 1960s. The same is happening to the
Hispanic family. That kind of thing didn't happen to the Jewish immigrants from Europein the 20s and 30s--and their children did very well in the American system. It's not happening to the Asian immigrants and those children are doing very well in the American system.
What do you mean by "falling apart." So you disagree with my argument, make a counterargument using evidence. Why would this not happen in a segregated system? In fact, what you are describing is exactly what a segregated system looks like. Basically, as system of racialized and gendered division of labor...

And the Jews and the Asians fill up most of the free slots in the Ivys. So why not the Blacks and the Hispanics (except, of course for the slots "alotted" to them.)
First of all, I'd like to see a source to see if this is correct. But secondly, it goes back to what I was saying before.


I'll grant you, the system sucks--though not at the college level. But I also think the individual that doesn't live up to his or her full potential is also at fault. the path to success is available--but one does have to try.
Sorry Bud, you can't say that the system is not producing the desired outcomes, but then say that it's not the system. It's the educational system, largely as the result of economic starvation, that's failing blacks and Latinos, not their families, or their values. In fact, it is because blacks and Latinos share values that are more in line with egalitarian and democratic forms, that the system attacks them so vigorously.

[Ele'ill]

TONIGHT- WE SEASON THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION :lol::llol::bored:


http://www.sunriver-resort.com/images/misc/vegan_scallops.jpg

[hatzel]

I'm...not sure I even know what that is...scallops or what? :confused:

[Ele'ill]

I'm...not sure I even know what that is...scallops or what? :confused:

Vegan scallops.

[hatzel]

Vegan scallops.

Ooh, interesting! I've never actually had scallops, thanks to their obvious lack of scales and fins, so I'd have no point of comparison, but still, the vegan version sounds interesting! Me, I just had a jack Cheezly and faux-mayo half-toasted (because I changed my mind half-way through) sandwich. It really hit the spot :thumbup:

[Bud Struggle]

I'll bet if you look throughout time, you'll find very different family structures than what you see today. So this point is entirely without foundation. Since recorded times. Paterfamilias. As far as we could remember.



What do you mean by "falling apart." So you disagree with my argument, make a counterargument using evidence. Why would this not happen in a segregated system? In fact, what you are describing is exactly what a segregated system looks like. Basically, as system of racialized and gendered division of labor...

Ok here:

http://www.jointcenter.org/DB/graphs/2000_updates_art/maritalstatus_update2000.htg/img.gif


That's the way it is. Now WHY is it that way? You prove that it is segragation.



Sorry Bud, you can't say that the system is not producing the desired outcomes, but then say that it's not the system. It's the educational system, largely as the result of economic starvation, that's failing blacks and Latinos, not their families, or their values. In fact, it is because blacks and Latinos share values that are more in line with egalitarian and democratic forms, that the system attacks them so vigorously.It it because the Chinese and the Indians get all of the money? Because they are moving ahead.

Look at the chart.

[T-Paine]

The arachno-communist group vanished. This makes me sad. :crying:

[hatzel]

The arachno-communist group vanished. This makes me sad. :crying:

Presumably it was decided that only serious ideologies deserved a group. Have you considered forkliftism?

[Bud Struggle]

Presumably it was decided that only serious ideologies deserved a group. Have you considered forkliftism?

This is a site dedicated to bringing back Commuinism. You have to take all of this with a grain of salt.

[T-Paine]

Presumably it was decided that only serious ideologies deserved a group. Have you considered forkliftism?

What is that?

[hatzel]

This is a site dedicated to bringing back Commuinism. You have to take all of this with a grain of salt.

I wish I could thank this post twice, if not more. Is it allowed to request that somebody else thank this post for me? :rolleyes:

[¿Que?]

Since recorded times. Paterfamilias. As far as we could remember.
I don't know what you're talking about here. Please elaborate.


Ok here:
<snipped chart>
That's the way it is. Now WHY is it that way? You prove that it is segragation.
So, I take it we both agree to the obvious fact that the system is segregated across race and gender. Good. Now to your question. What are the effects of segregation? To begin with:

It is no surprise to learn, therefore, that a recent study (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asanet.org%2Fimages%2Fjournal s%2Fdocs%2Fpdf%2Fasr%2FOct10ASRFeature.pdf&rct=j&q=american%20sociological%20review%20black%20white %20foreclosure&ei=RDfPTJjOGcL48Aail6XKDQ&usg=AFQjCNGBjReVCErKY3clr1zFifG6oUIcZg&sig2=jg43nsQDluanJUyPlR3HSQ&cad=rja) published in the American Sociological Review found that the level of black-white segregation was the single strongest predictor of the number and rate of foreclosures across U.S. metropolitan areas -- more powerful than the overall level of subprime lending, the degree of overbuilding, the extent of home price inflation, the relative creditworthiness of borrowers, the degree of coverage under the Community Reinvestment Act, or the extent of local government regulation.
source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-s-massey/segregation-the-invisible_b_777323.html)

This isn't an actual study, but Massey has done a lot of academic work on segregation. If you want a long, drawn out actual study, I'll be happy to provide two.

Point is, the level of segregation has direct consequences on, as the article points out, whether you are allowed to stay in your house. And I'd imagine it to be pretty tough on a high school kid to find out you don't have a place to live anymore. Don't you think this might affect grades (and even family strucutre?). Finally, if you fuck up high school, the likelihood of getting into an ivy league is slim.


It it because the Chinese and the Indians get all of the money? Because they are moving ahead.

Look at the chart.
What does the chart have anything to do with this point. Black men marry outside of their race at higher rates than women do. Unfortunately, white men do not marry black women at equal rates. Therefore you are left with a high number of never married black women.

In fact, black and Latino families are doing rather well considering the circumstances.

[Bud Struggle]

I don't know what you're talking about here. Please elaborate. the family has been around for at least the past 2000 years.


So, I take it we both agree to the obvious fact that the system is segregated across race and gender. Good. Now to your question. What are the effects of segregation? To begin with:

source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-s-massey/segregation-the-invisible_b_777323.html)

This isn't an actual study, but Massey has done a lot of academic work on segregation. If you want a long, drawn out actual study, I'll be happy to provide two.

Point is, the level of segregation has direct consequences on, as the article points out, whether you are allowed to stay in your house. And I'd imagine it to be pretty tough on a high school kid to find out you don't have a place to live anymore. Don't you think this might affect grades (and even family strucutre?). Finally, if you fuck up high school, the likelihood of getting into an ivy league is slim. It says NOTHING about segragation. It only says that Blacks and whites have different rates of marriage, You are reading into the data your own personal opinions. Are you saying that if blacks were around whites more their behavior would change? Are there any segragated schools left in the US--please point them out.


What does the chart have anything to do with this point. Black men marry outside of their race at higher rates than women do. Unfortunately, white men do not marry black women at equal rates. Therefore you are left with a high number of never married black women. By 50 percent? Do you see that? I see a lot of unwed mothers.

Does that happen with Asians. Are Asians less segragated against? Does that justify Asians being 20% of the student body of Harvard? Is there affermative action for Asians?


In fact, black and Latino families are doing rather well considering the circumstances.Then what does it say about Asians?

[L.A.P.]

Presumably it was decided that only serious ideologies deserved a group. Have you considered forkliftism?

Then how come my Free-Market Guevarist group is still up.


This is a site dedicated to bringing back Commuinism. You have to take all of this with a grain of salt.

Hey you know what? Fuck you.

[hatzel]

Then how come my Free-Market Guevarist group is still up.

Because we all got together and decided it would be best to just ignore you :)


Hey you know what? Fuck you.
Wow, with arguments like that, I'm nearly convinced that he's not almost entirely right with his claims...still not quite, but I'm getting there!

[¿Que?]

the family has been around for at least the past 2000 years.
Yes, but basic family structure, including inclusion of extended kin networks and the particular roles in the family vis-a-vis production has changed and also differs according to economic circumstances.

It says NOTHING about segragation. It only says that Blacks and whites have different rates of marriage, You are reading into the data your own personal opinions.
No, you are conflating the evidence you provided for, I'm guessing, the general irresponsibility of blacks, with my evidence that segregation exists and has direct impact on black families. You don't even acknowledge the article I posted, and yet you're arguing against my position based on your evidence, not the evidence I gave for my position. I think you're purposely using sloppy reasoning because this is a chitchat thread, and you don't feel you need to make actual arguments.

Your evidence shows lower rates of marriage for black women, well, so what of it? Is this counter evidence for a segregated division of labor: I would say no? At best, it is irrelevant. But if you're arguing that this is evidence for poor family structure, then you still have to contend with my argument that family structure is directly (and negatively) affected by poverty. And we can say that poverty is the direct consequence of predatory lending, which is segregated according to the article I posted.

To illustrate, when subprime lending peaked in 2006, just 18% of white borrowers received subprime loans compared to 54% of African Americans. An unfortunate irony, as the Wall Street Journal reported in 2007, is that over 60% of subprime borrowers had credit scores that qualified them for prime loans, underscoring the discriminatory nature of the marketing. Moreover, as reported by the Mortgage Bankers Association, subprime loans are approximately three times more likely to enter into default than conventional loans. As a result, between 2007 and 2009 approximately 8% of homes owned by black or Hispanic families went into foreclosure compared to 4.5% for whites. According a study by the Center for Responsible Lending, these disparities persisted even after taking household incomes into account.
So for one thing, the problem of poverty plays into this a lot. But for another, there is such a thing as racism which has effects even when controlling for economic variables.

This would be a much more fruitful debate if you actually understood what the real question was, namely, how does race and economy affect black and Latinos negatively, as opposed to blaming the irresponsibility of black and Latinos for their social conditions, cuz that's just straight up racist.

Are you saying that if blacks were around whites more their behavior would change?
What? Obviously not. I don't blame the behaviors of blacks and Latinos. I think though, if predominantly white bankers came into regular contact (as equals) with blacks and Latinos, they would maybe less likely to target them for things like predatory loans.

Are there any segragated schools left in the US--please point them out.
There are segregated neighborhoods, and those neighborhoods directly affect where children go to school. Segregation is no longer institutionalized, but it exists de facto.


By 50 percent? Do you see that? I see a lot of unwed mothers.
That's because you're racist and fail to see beyond the "welfare queen" type propaganda that characterizes black and Latino women as sexually promiscuous and irresponsible. Truth is, educated black women are also not marrying. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32379727/ns/health-sexual_health/)Could it be because American society marginalizes black women both economically and sexually? Doesn't that sound more plausible than black women are irresponsible and don't know how to say no? You're argument is both racist AND sexist.


Does that happen with Asians. Are Asians less segragated against? Does that justify Asians being 20% of the student body of Harvard? Is there affermative action for Asians?
But why assume that segregation will affect every race the same? You are assuming that not me. All I said is that there is a segregated division of labor, which can mean, and does mean, that Asians are segregated into math and science fields, while blacks and Latinos are segregated into manual and menial labor. This happens not because of irresponsible parenting, or whatever racist bullshit you want to concoct. It happens because of institutional, systematic, and structural racism and sexism.


Then what does it say about Asians?
It says that they are less intellectually discriminated against in schools. They are probably less likely to be tracked out of college from college prep courses into home economics and bullshit like that. Because ultimately, what it is, and I hate to say this, it's guidance counselors and teachers who have similar views to yours that look at a black kid and think, she doesn't have what it takes to get into or succeed in college, so I don't have to pay attention to her, or ensure that she gets into the right classes, etc etc.

[L.A.P.]

Because we all got together and decided it would be best to just ignore you :)

It did only have 3 members.:(



Wow, with arguments like that, I'm nearly convinced that he's not almost entirely right with his claims...still not quite, but I'm getting there!

I don't know how I would be able to constructively say "fuck you" to Bud Struggle though.

[hatzel]

I don't know how I would be able to constructively say "fuck you" to Bud Struggle though.

Why would you want to do that? Don't you want cut-rate prices on wetsuits imported from China? :confused:

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've never actually had scallops

You're not missing much. Scallops are stomach-turning.

[RGacky3]

Yes that's what 'systemic abuse and servitude' mean.

It means so much ice cream???

[RGacky3]

That's the way it is. Now WHY is it that way? You prove that it is segragation.


If it was poor people vrs, non poor people it might look exactly the same, I'm guessing it is.


It it because the Chinese and the Indians get all of the money? Because they are moving ahead.

Look at the chart.

The VAST VAST VAST majority of them are not, nad of the tiny percentage of them that are, you still have all the emotional and social problems that come with being a "tiger mom"

[hatzel]

So I heard I'm running the risk of becoming a suspected terrorist (http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/46555/tefillin-terrorists-strike-alaska-flight) now. Lol. I'd better be careful what I do, don't want the anti-terrorist division gunning me down or whatever :)

[RGacky3]

Don't be Mexican ... (Some of them look Arab), if your white I think you'll be fine.

[hatzel]

Don't be Mexican ... (Some of them look Arab), if your white I think you'll be fine.

I'll be sure to warn my girlfriend to steer clear of the headscarves, then :laugh:

[RGacky3]

OH no, your screwed ... put her in a miniskirt (girls in miniskirts arn't terrorists).

[danyboy27]

Its so fucking strange how people in the U.S dont care about all those white supremacist stockpiling ton of ammo and explosive for the judgement day and start flipping when you mention CAIR or other religious organisation.

Organisation like CAIR have been around in the us for fucking decades and never blew up or shot any americans while those white supremacist have a heavy past of domestic terrorism.

and dont tell me its not interesting news, there are an endless pile of worthwhile material concerning those supremacist avaliable.

[Lt. Ferret]

Its so fucking strange how people in the U.S dont care about all those white supremacist stockpiling ton of ammo and explosive for the judgement day and start flipping when you mention CAIR or other religious organisation.

Organisation like CAIR have been around in the us for fucking decades and never blew up or shot any americans while those white supremacist have a heavy past of domestic terrorism.

and dont tell me its not interesting news, there are an endless pile of worthwhile material concerning those supremacist avaliable.


the 90s was the decade of the US government destroying these organizations.

[danyboy27]

the 90s was the decade of the US government destroying these organizations.

i dont think those organisation where destroyed.

[Lt. Ferret]

theyre practically irrelevent now, and if they are moving around, i imagine theres some COINTELPRO shit going on to monitor them. the government destroyed the original kkk, half the members by the end of it were informants.

[Revolution starts with U]

The KKK has experienced downturns in the past. I wouldn't rule out the ability for it to come back again.

[L.A.P.]

Why would you want to do that? Don't you want cut-rate prices on wetsuits imported from China? :confused:

How was the even relevant to my last post?

[Le Libérer]

You're not missing much. Scallops are stomach-turning.

Unlike raw oysters. mmmm...

[Ele'ill]

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/mondaymorningsp1.gif

[L.A.P.]

), if your white I think you'll be fine.

Not even, my Italian father gets pulled over at the airport for random checks all the time.

[Le Libérer]

Not even, my Italian father gets pulled over at the airport for random checks all the time.

The ex, my baby daddy, gets pulled over every time he gets on a plane. I think hes black listed. He's Latino, but can easily pass as middle eastern.

[Bud Struggle]

Well, I look like Trotsky and I never get pulled over.:cool:

[hatzel]

Well, I look like Trotsky and I never get pulled over.:cool:

Most border guards presumably know that you are not, however, Trotsky...

[#FF0000]

Today, I bombed a test harder than I have ever bombed a test before in my life.

And in my pet subject too.

Latin American History.

[Lt. Ferret]

my wife is an arab and her last name is the same as a terrorist leaders so yeah, she gets "randomly" screened when we use the airport. she just stares them in the eye and goes "its because im an arab, isnt it?" and they get all sheepish and sometimes let her go.

[Skooma Addict]

How do socialists celebrate Christmas?

[hatzel]

How do socialists celebrate Christmas?

We eat fried food and light candles...wait a minute, that doesn't sound right...

So, tomorrow's class: the political philosophy of Carl Schmitt. Lovely.

[#FF0000]

How do socialists celebrate Christmas?

Same as anyone else, really. Hang out with people and cook things and get them things that they might like for presents.

[Che a chara]

How do socialists celebrate Christmas?

To me it's just another mundane fucking day. Dinner with the folks and maybe a binging session or two.

[#FF0000]

To me Christmas is the anniversary of the day I got some drums.

[Ele'ill]

How do socialists celebrate Christmas?

By wearing masks and grumbling to ourselves about disturbing things that can't be repeated.

[Revolution starts with U]

I run around screaming at everybody that "CHRISTMAS IS NOT PC!! IT'S HAPPY HOLIDAYS, BIGOTS!!!!"

No really, we just hang out w friends and family, cook, eat, and pass presents around.
And even being the big ignostic/atheist that I am, I still will scold people for saying/writing "Xmas." Don't you realize you're x'ing out Jesus?!