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freepalestine
5th March 2011, 08:04
Stickied as the main thread about the situation in Saudi Arabia. Please post breaking news regarding protests in that country in this thread. -- Sentinel

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Saudis mobilise thousands of troops to quell growing revolt

By Robert Fisk, Middle East Correspondent
Saturday, 5 March 2011

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Saudi security forces in armoured vehicles responding to the threat of a Shia uprising this week





Saudi Arabia was yesterday drafting up to 10,000 security personnel into its north-eastern Shia Muslim provinces, clogging the highways into Dammam and other cities with busloads of troops in fear of next week's "day of rage" by what is now called the "Hunayn Revolution".

Saudi Arabia's worst nightmare – the arrival of the new Arab awakening of rebellion and insurrection in the kingdom – is now casting its long shadow over the House of Saud. Provoked by the Shia majority uprising in the neighbouring Sunni-dominated island of Bahrain, where protesters are calling for the overthrow of the ruling al-Khalifa family, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is widely reported to have told the Bahraini authorities that if they do not crush their Shia revolt, his own forces will.

The opposition is expecting at least 20,000 Saudis to gather in Riyadh and in the Shia Muslim provinces of the north-east of the country in six days, to demand an end to corruption and, if necessary, the overthrow of the House of Saud. Saudi security forces have deployed troops and armed police across the Qatif area – where most of Saudi Arabia's Shia Muslims live – and yesterday would-be protesters circulated photographs of armoured vehicles and buses of the state-security police on a highway near the port city of Dammam.



Although desperate to avoid any outside news of the extent of the protests spreading, Saudi security officials have known for more than a month that the revolt of Shia Muslims in the tiny island of Bahrain was expected to spread to Saudi Arabia. Within the Saudi kingdom, thousands of emails and Facebook messages have encouraged Saudi Sunni Muslims to join the planned demonstrations across the "conservative" and highly corrupt kingdom. They suggest – and this idea is clearly co-ordinated – that during confrontations with armed police or the army next Friday, Saudi women should be placed among the front ranks of the protesters to dissuade the Saudi security forces from opening fire.


If the Saudi royal family decides to use maximum violence against demonstrators, US President Barack Obama will be confronted by one of the most sensitive Middle East decisions of his administration. In Egypt, he only supported the demonstrators after the police used unrestrained firepower against protesters. But in Saudi Arabia – supposedly a "key ally" of the US and one of the world's principal oil producers – he will be loath to protect the innocent.

So far, the Saudi authorities have tried to dissuade their own people from supporting the 11 March demonstrations on the grounds that many protesters are "Iraqis and Iranians". It's the same old story used by Ben Ali of Tunisia and Mubarak of Egypt and Bouteflika of Algeria and Saleh of Yemen and the al-Khalifas of Bahrain: "foreign hands" are behind every democratic insurrection in the Middle East.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Mr Obama will be gritting their teeth next Friday in the hope that either the protesters appear in small numbers or that the Saudis "restrain" their cops and security; history suggests this is unlikely. When Saudi academics have in the past merely called for reforms, they have been harassed or arrested. King Abdullah, albeit a very old man, does not brook rebel lords or restive serfs telling him to make concessions to youth. His £27bn bribe of improved education and housing subsidies is unlikely to meet their demands.


An indication of the seriousness of the revolt against the Saudi royal family comes in its chosen title: Hunayn. This is a valley near Mecca, the scene of one of the last major battles of the Prophet Mohamed against a confederation of Bedouins in AD630. The Prophet won a tight victory after his men were fearful of their opponents. The reference in the Koran, 9: 25-26, as translated by Tarif el-Khalidi, contains a lesson for the Saudi princes: "God gave you victory on many battlefields. Recall the day of Hunayn when you fancied your great numbers.

"So the earth, with all its wide expanse, narrowed before you and you turned tail and fled. Then God made his serenity to descend upon his Messenger and the believers, and sent down troops you did not see – and punished the unbelievers." The unbelievers, of course, are supposed – in the eyes of the Hunayn Revolution – to be the King and his thousand princes.


Like almost every other Arab potentate over the past three months, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia suddenly produced economic bribes and promised reforms when his enemy was at the gates. Can the Arabs be bribed? Their leaders can, perhaps, especially when, in the case of Egypt, Washington was offering it the largest handout of dollars – $1.5bn (£800m) – after Israel. But when the money rarely trickles down to impoverished and increasingly educated youth, past promises are recalled and mocked. With oil prices touching $120 a barrel and the Libyan debacle lowering its production by up to 75 per cent, the serious economic – and moral, should this interest the Western powers – question, is how long the "civilised world" can go on supporting the nation whose citizens made up almost all of the suicide killers of 9/11?

The Arabian peninsula gave the world the Prophet and the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans and the Taliban and 9/11 and – let us speak the truth – al-Qa'ida. This week's protests in the kingdom will therefore affect us all – but none more so than the supposedly conservative and definitely hypocritical pseudo-state, run by a company without shareholders called the House of Saud.

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Riot police clash with protesters in the Gulf coast town of Awwamiya


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudis-mobilise-thousands-of-troops-to-quell-growing-revolt-2232928.html

Rakhmetov
5th March 2011, 20:44
Nipping it in the bud??? I don't think it is going to work. Bastards!!!!

Os Cangaceiros
5th March 2011, 22:51
If anyone in the Middle East deserves to be "Mussolini'd", it's those scumbags in the Saudi royal family.

Exakt
5th March 2011, 22:58
If anyone in the Middle East deserves to be "Mussolini'd", it's those scumbags in the Saudi royal family.That's naughty terrorism. And Trotsky doesn't like that, tyvm. :trotski:

khad
6th March 2011, 00:53
This will be quite hard. In terms of military spending, Saudi Arabia is one of the most militarized societies in the world. Only North Korea and Georgia are higher in terms of spending vs. GDP.

Robocommie
6th March 2011, 01:38
This will be quite hard. In terms of military spending, Saudi Arabia is one of the most militarized societies in the world. Only North Korea and Georgia are higher in terms of spending vs. GDP.

Why Georgia of all places?

Red_Struggle
6th March 2011, 01:50
That's naughty terrorism. And Trotsky doesn't like that, tyvm. :trotski:

Hay-Oh!


Seriously though, monarchy sucks.

crazyirish93
6th March 2011, 01:52
Why Georgia of all places?

because they got a president who eats his own ties on television :laugh:

Sinister Cultural Marxist
6th March 2011, 04:49
i think you may not have got the jist of the article-considering your reply.saudi is 35%shia,a false entity created by imperialism-like some others one can mention.
2ndly smashing that state would do the entire arab region a favour and also muslim world.partly due to the power the saud elite have propagating wahabism .
the other reason is that although egypt is a major state in arab region-saudi arabia would affect the usa directly-if a revolution hits saudi arabia.it would be positive for everyone.except imperialism??
I think you misunderstood what I said. I'm not sure what you thought I meant though.

Os Cangaceiros
6th March 2011, 05:03
Why Georgia of all places?

hmmm...I wonder....

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/Alaskan99/country_georgia_map1.gif

Sentinel
6th March 2011, 05:06
It is extremely encouraging that the tide is now reaching Saudi Arabia. It is indeed the main prize of the Arab Revolution of this year, and if the royal house of Saud falls and the other revolutions lead to progressive (or at least independent, bourgeois democratic) governments as well, the economic and political situation in the world will be changed fundamentally and permanently.

This as the grip of US imperialism and it's allies over the region and it's natural resources (oil) will be lost. But there is a long way with lots of struggle ahead before that..

khad
6th March 2011, 06:01
hmmm...I wonder....
Good thing Georgian Neocons can't fight worth shit. That's what happens when you unlearn sound Soviet practice and buy into American light force narcissism.

I can't picture 1+ billion dollars worse spent, for an army that was crushed by a force 15 years older and about half the size.

Robocommie
6th March 2011, 06:28
hmmm...I wonder....

Well sure, but it's not like Georgia is the only nation bordering Russia.

Os Cangaceiros
6th March 2011, 06:40
Georgia's government has been trying to pull itself out of the Slavic sphere of influence and into the arms of NATO. Plus they have internal problems within their borders in regards to South Ossetia. I guess that's their justification. Not to say that Russia couldn't stomp on them, which should be evident by now, but hey.

Princess Luna
10th March 2011, 18:33
Is it just me or are dictators and their governments really........stupid , history shows over and over and over and over and over again when your people are rising up sending the military to crush them will only inflame them futher but when there is a chance of unrest in Saudi Arabia what does the government do? SEND IN THE TROOPS!

Os Cangaceiros
10th March 2011, 22:21
I guess they're betting that the popular opinion hasn't turned significantly enough against them yet.

I'll be anxiously awaiting the US government's condemnation of Saudi Arabia once they start massacring protestors. (Which will probably happen if the protests get large enough...I don't see any reason why the Arab regime wouldn't be anything other than brutal and reactionary in dealing with unrest.)

Dimmu
10th March 2011, 22:30
If Saudis decide to kill the opposition i doubt that we will hear calls for a "no-flyzone" from the West.

Sentinel
10th March 2011, 23:50
Is it just me or are dictators and their governments really........stupid , history shows over and over and over and over and over again when your people are rising up sending the military to crush them will only inflame them futher but when there is a chance of unrest in Saudi Arabia what does the government do? SEND IN THE TROOPS!You are mostly true, but 'sending in the tanks' has actually worked in the past, for example against the Tiananmen protests. Now, China didn't have to risk foreign intervention due to being a superpower itself, but being friends with one is unfortunately enough as well.

And as Saudi Arabia is economically very closely tied to the US, my advanced guess would be that they are simply counting on the continued friendship of the imperialists despite a mass slaughter or two -- as have other repugnant but 'accepted' regimes in the past. :(

Os Cangaceiros
11th March 2011, 00:04
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20110310/tpl-uk-saudi-protests-81f3b62.html



Shots were heard near the protest by around 200 Shi'ites in the town of Qatif in Eastern Province, home to some of the world's largest oil fields and a large Shi'ite minority.

A Revolutionary Tool
11th March 2011, 00:18
Is it just me or are dictators and their governments really........stupid , history shows over and over and over and over and over again when your people are rising up sending the military to crush them will only inflame them futher but when there is a chance of unrest in Saudi Arabia what does the government do? SEND IN THE TROOPS!
That's not what happened in Chile. They sent the military in, tortured the people, killed them, killed Allende, etc. And it worked, Pinochet was in power for decades.

Red Commissar
11th March 2011, 04:47
Got this video from a friend, shows a recent demonstration at Qatif where the security responded with live ammunition:

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NGNM85
11th March 2011, 05:02
I really doubt this represents a threat to the Saudi monarchy, Shiites only represent something like 10-15% of the population, and are viewed by many as heretics.

Dunk
11th March 2011, 16:16
(CNN) -- Defying a government ban on all kinds of public demonstrations, a group is planning a "Day of Rage" protests Friday in Saudi Arabia.
These protests come a day after three people were taken to the hospital after Saudi security forces fired on scores of protesters in the city of Qatif, according to two witnesses and an activist.
On Thursday, more than 100 people gathered in the predominantly Shiite city in eastern Saudi Arabia to urge authorities to release Shiite prisoners.
At some point, the witnesses said Saudi security forces shot to disperse the crowd. It was unknown if the forces fired rubber bullets or live ammunition. Those injured were taken to Qatif Central Hospital for treatment, the activist and witnesses said.
A human rights group in Saudi Arabia condemned the action calling the use of force by police "deplorable."
"(The group) condemns, with the loudest and clearest words, the use of all kinds of force to disperse demonstrators particularly when live ammunition was used last night against the demonstrators in Qatif," the Human Rights First Society said in a statement released Friday.
The protests in Saudi Arabia comes as unrest brews in parts of the Middle East and North Africa and has caused major changes in places like Egypt and Tunisia.
A longtime observer of the kingdom remained skeptical that the protest would make a major impact.
"I don't think any protests that happen (Friday) will be destabilizing to the country," said Christopher Boucek, a Saudi expert with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "I don't think you'll see what happened in Egypt and Bahrain and Yemen and Tunisia."
The protests in the majority Sunni kingdom have followed similar demands across the Arab world for more freedom and democracy.
Last week, about 24 protesters were detained in Qatif as they denounced "the prolonged detention" of nine Shiite prisoners held without trial for more than 14 years, Amnesty International said.


From CNN article on Saudi Protests, sorry, I can't post links yet.

Os Cangaceiros
18th March 2011, 11:12
Renewed protests in Saudi Arabia in the wake of troops being sent to Bahrain.



Fresh protests erupt in Saudi Arabia
Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:16PM


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Saudi Shia protesters wearing masks chant slogans during a protest in Qatif, Saudi Arabia.

Thousands of protestors, angry at the Saudi occupation of Bahrain and the systematic violence directed at the Bahraini people, called for the withdrawal of all Saudi forces from Bahrain.

Demonstrations took place in Safwa, Tarout, Saihat and Qatif on Thursday, where demonstrators raised the Bahraini flag. They also called for the release of political prisoners in Saudi Arabia who are held for long periods without trial.

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alphshuffel
8th July 2011, 07:58
The problems and the demands of people, which can easily be solved through talk and conversation, should not try to solve it through the power of Gun.