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psgchisolm
4th March 2011, 06:02
On Friday, authorities in Cuba will put U.S. contractor Alan Gross on trial. He's facing a 20-year prison sentence, accused of trying to set up satellite Internet networks in a plot to undermine the government.

Fidel and Raul Castro have been in power longer than any ruler in the Middle East, but Gross's trial and other recent events on the island are a reminder of the differences between Cuba and Libya or Egypt.

Social media sites have been powerful organizing tools in the Middle East, but they are of little use to the small opposition movement in Cuba, the least-connected country in the hemisphere. When some activists tried to organize a protest through Facebook last week, no one showed up.

Long-time Castro critic Elizardo Sanchez argues that while Middle Eastern governments are autocratic, Cuba's system is totalitarian.

"This is a government with an enormous capacity for social control," Sanchez says. "The Cuban people aren't ready to rise up like they did in Tunisia, Egypt or Libya."

Cubans are too intimidated by the regime, and they are almost entirely dependent on it for their economic well-being, Sanchez says.

'I'm Going To Keep Fighting'

Through an agreement with the Catholic Church and the Spanish government, Cuba has been emptying its jails of political prisoners. Eight months ago, there were more than 50 jailed Cubans who were considered prisoners of conscience by Amnesty International. Today, there are five.

But the former prisoners are not likely to lead an anti-Castro uprising anytime soon. Of the 70 who have been released so far overall, only about 10 remain on the island. Most chose to go to Spain.

Every Sunday outside a Havana cathedral, the Ladies in White march and chant "Freedom!" It's the only act of public protest tolerated by the government. For years the group's members have demanded the release of their jailed husbands and relatives. Now many of the men are out, like Angel Moya Acosta, freed last month after eight years.

"I'll keep fighting alongside my brothers here in Cuba for freedom, rights and justice," Moya said at a recent protest. "I won't stop denouncing the Cuban regime and teaching others about human rights."

Within minutes, Moya was arguing heatedly with a Cuban state television crew, and the shouting match spilled over into the street.

As the film crew yelled pro-Castro slogans, Moya, the Ladies in White and a handful of others chanted "Zapata lives!" and waved photocopied pictures of Orlando Zapata Tamayo, a prisoner who died of a hunger strike a year ago.

Several passing cars slowed to watch, but no one stopped to join the protest.

An 'Act Of Repudiation'

Even Jonathan Farrar, the top U.S. official in Cuba, acknowledged in a leaked 2009 cable that Cuba's dissidents are divided and have little following on the island. Whenever they do try to demonstrate elsewhere, the government's response is swift. But instead of guns and tanks, pro-government crowds surround protesters and scream obscenities and insults at them in what are known as "acts of repudiation."

On the Feb. 23 anniversary of Zapata's death, more than 100 teenagers and university students swarmed the Havana home of Laura Pollan, a leader of the Ladies in White. They threw an egg at her door, and stayed for more than five hours, calling her ugly, crazy and worse, with puerile songs and chants that seemed like something out of a nasty summer camp.

Plainclothes state security agents stood by, doing little to hide their role in both facilitating the event and making sure things didn't get out of hand. Law student Alejandro Gonzalez had shouted himself hoarse.

"We're young Cubans who support the revolutionary process and are against these mercenaries who are paid by the U.S. government," Gonzalez said.

A new documentary on Cuban state TV features wiretapped phone calls of conversations between dissidents on the island and Miami exiles, showing their alleged political and financial ties to militants the government considers terrorists.

The star of the program is a journalist and contributor to U.S.-funded Radio Marti who has worked with dissidents for years. As it turns out, he's really Agent Emilio, an undercover Cuban security official.

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/03/134232331/anti-castro-uprising-unlikely-in-unplugged-cuba

Cuba is so terrible, with the people wanting to keep their government. If only we could show them the way to being another US puppet, or better we can turn the island into one big military base! In all seriousness, it seems the anti-government protesters are in the minority. Who would have thought cuba isn't as bad as the media portrays it:rolleyes:

Nolan
4th March 2011, 06:41
Lol. "No one shows up to our protests so Cuba is totalitarian. Because it's much worse than Egypt or whatever."

Or maybe the government has a lot of patriotic legitimacy and very few people actually give a shit.

RedSonRising
4th March 2011, 12:25
This article actually unintentionally sheds light on the baseless nature of so many overblown criticisms of the regime in-between the lines of these half-truthful assessments.

Just 5 prisoners considered "political prisoners" presently incarcerated? 5? The most poignant "violation" of human rights available is a trial held for a US contractor attempting to set up subversive satellite networks? The Ladies in White protesting openly even when exposed as cooperating with historically and potentially terroristic Miami opposition groups?



Yup, no facebook; that's the real reason why the damn Castro dynasty hasn't fallen!

psgchisolm
4th March 2011, 12:41
Even Jonathan Farrar, the top U.S. official in Cuba, acknowledged in a leaked 2009 cable that Cuba's dissidents are divided and have little following on the island. Whenever they do try to demonstrate elsewhere, the government's response is swift. But instead of guns and tanks, pro-government crowds surround protesters and scream obscenities and insults at them in what are known as "acts of repudiation."
This part really had me going. The dissidents have LITTLE following. Maybe because Cubans like Cuba the way it is. The governments response is swift. Pro-government crowds... FFS That's not the government, it's the people counter-protesting them. It's not like Castro has people that he forces to counter-protest. They WILLINGLY counter-protest. Idiots

AmericanSocialist
4th March 2011, 16:06
LONG LIVE CUBA. Has anyone on here had experience in Cuba? From what I hear it is a decent place, yes the economy is suffering (Btw so is this damn capitalist nations economy is too), but it does not seem 'totalitarianism'. I can not speak for actual experience, but from those who are unbiased and have gone there it seems not to be what the media wants to portray it as. Fidel Castro has love all around the world. Viva Fidel! Viva Cuba!

RedScare
4th March 2011, 18:18
Well, I'd be too hesitant to read exactly what we want to see out of these, but at the very least the fact that opposition figures have little following, and the number of political prisoners in the country can be counted on one hand, it's an encouraging sign that American imperialism isn't really catching on.

RedSonRising
5th March 2011, 05:54
LONG LIVE CUBA. Has anyone on here had experience in Cuba? From what I hear it is a decent place, yes the economy is suffering (Btw so is this damn capitalist nations economy is too), but it does not seem 'totalitarianism'. I can not speak for actual experience, but from those who are unbiased and have gone there it seems not to be what the media wants to portray it as. Fidel Castro has love all around the world. Viva Fidel! Viva Cuba!


I have experiences visiting there. The unwanted restrictiveness is directly tied to the economic scarcity which makes the strictness of an economic plan so vital. It's not an excuse for the lack of simplified liberties, there should be internal moves against bureaucratic restriction, but things like lack of access to cattle, lack of freedom of international movement, etc. are all related to resource distribution. In Havana, I only saw about two or three policemen "patrolling" the week that I stayed there, and was able to have a chef yell "Communism is shit" in a restaurant in conversation with me without fear (right after calling himself a Fidelista and talking about the gains of education and healthcare within the country).

It's not the most liberal atmosphere, but the totalitarian classification doesn't seem to hold up in too many critical arguments made against the regime.

Robespierre Richard
5th March 2011, 15:38
I think they should still be watched. The political opposition in Cuba is petty-bourgeois at heart and the government really doesn't fight that class/class layer enough. It's also one of the reasons why the USSR succumbed to political instability at its heart (liberal students in Moscow, nationalist attitudes in the republics, apathy of the workers). The only thing they can really do is focus on the working class more than all other classes/class layers but I don't think they're really doing this, for various reasons, which is why protests like this are potentially dangerous in times of instability like this.

Fulanito de Tal
5th March 2011, 19:15
LONG LIVE CUBA. Has anyone on here had experience in Cuba? From what I hear it is a decent place, yes the economy is suffering (Btw so is this damn capitalist nations economy is too), but it does not seem 'totalitarianism'. I can not speak for actual experience, but from those who are unbiased and have gone there it seems not to be what the media wants to portray it as. Fidel Castro has love all around the world. Viva Fidel! Viva Cuba!

I've been there many times. In general, when people use totalitarian to describe Cuba's government, they mean that you cannot be capitalist and that the government is smarter than them. It's like having a teacher that doesn't let anyone cheat in class and calling him a Nazi.

RadioRaheem84
5th March 2011, 20:22
Like was said before. Cuba is "strict" in the sense of combating obvious imperial enemies and because of lack of resources. But this could be said of a lot of developed nations too as I felt more "restricted" by the lack of stuff I couldn't find in Southern France that I could in the US. But the "restriction" was due to different laws concerning social and economic policy not because of totalitarian government dictating how I should live my life.

Cuba has been through hell and back, which limited the scope of it's revolution. From economic sabotage to terrorism to constant international pressure, the nation has had to deal with both internal and external corruption, paranoia, scarcity, and bureaucratization to deal with the threats.

All in all though, the nation has faired a lot better than most third world countries.

As for how Cuba is now, I have met several Cubans who love Fidel, but they tell me that the nation is suffering a lot. The economy is really in the doldrums, but that the two best things they are most proud of about being Cuban is the education and health care, which according to them are top notch.

Delenda Carthago
5th March 2011, 20:32
Unfortunatly when cubans did their revolution,they had to chose between two imperialist superpowers.They couldnt go with the USA,the puppeteer of the previous regime, so they went with the revisionist USSR. The good thing is that they still remember the spirit of revolution,which kinda saves the situation from a worse case scenario like East Germany per say. But this thing cannot go on.Matter of fact, if within the next years there is not going to be a huge revolution movement to the world,Cuba is not going to last.Hopefully, they will fight for a more democratic system than the one they already have.

Apoi_Viitor
5th March 2011, 20:33
Through an agreement with the Catholic Church and the Spanish government, Cuba has been emptying its jails of political prisoners. Eight months ago, there were more than 50 jailed Cubans who were considered prisoners of conscience by Amnesty International. Today, there are five.

Five political prisoners! :ohmy: Cuba's system really is totalitarian!

pranabjyoti
6th March 2011, 04:04
I think they should still be watched. The political opposition in Cuba is petty-bourgeois at heart and the government really doesn't fight that class/class layer enough. It's also one of the reasons why the USSR succumbed to political instability at its heart (liberal students in Moscow, nationalist attitudes in the republics, apathy of the workers). The only thing they can really do is focus on the working class more than all other classes/class layers but I don't think they're really doing this, for various reasons, which is why protests like this are potentially dangerous in times of instability like this.
But I must say that I don't like the latest move of Cuban Govt. to abolish 500,000 government jobs and pushing ahead of "self-appointment" programme. It's too much irritating to replace working class with petty-bourgeoisie and that in the long run will certainly harm. I myself from my personal experience know well how poisonous and how apathetic this class can be towards "working class".
The basic problem of this class (petty-bourgeoisie) is as their chance of increase of income and life standard is very much limited and they envy the organized working class and they can organize and demand their increase in wage. They are always ready to join bourgeoisie and other reactionary section against workers just from envious feelings towards organized workers. What I fear is that this "self-appointed" class in future will become the base of poisonous counter revolution in Cuba.

Tim Finnegan
7th March 2011, 00:20
"Long-time Castro critic Elizardo Sanchez argues that while Middle Eastern governments are autocratic, Cuba's system is totalitarian."

I like it when people say things like this. It means I know I can stop taking anything they say seriously.

"Cubans are too intimidated by the regime, and they are almost entirely dependent on it for their economic well-being, Sanchez says."
Oh, gee, imagine a ruling class having economic hegemony. How very out-of-the-ordinary. :rolleyes:

Amphictyonis
7th March 2011, 00:30
Th US is so interested in using social networks online to subvert foreign governments....makes you wonder. It makes it hard to figure out whats really going on....and the paranoia kicks in.

Jose Gracchus
7th March 2011, 06:42
I would like Cuba to transition to a participatory and democratic authentically socialist system, but would probably require revolution in the United States and Latin America. However, clearly it is true the opposition is almost entirely set up by a few privileged elements and by the West, and has only the further subjugation of the Cuban working class to global capital as its object.

KurtFF8
8th March 2011, 01:41
Unfortunatly when cubans did their revolution,they had to chose between two imperialist superpowers.They couldnt go with the USA,the puppeteer of the previous regime, so they went with the revisionist USSR. The good thing is that they still remember the spirit of revolution,which kinda saves the situation from a worse case scenario like East Germany per say. But this thing cannot go on.Matter of fact, if within the next years there is not going to be a huge revolution movement to the world,Cuba is not going to last.Hopefully, they will fight for a more democratic system than the one they already have.

I'm not sure how this stance on the nature of the USSR you're taking here helps to understand the nature of Cuban society, or how it's relevant to Cuba not lasting if there is not a "huge revolution movement to the world"