Fidel on Libya... "NATO'S inevitable war"- ?

[ComradeMan]

http://www.granma.cu/espanol/reflexiones/3marzo-reflexiones.html

R E F L E X I O N E S La Habana, 3 marzo de 2011
REFLEXIONES DEL COMPAÑERO FIDEL
La Guerra inevitable de la OTAN
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/text.html


also

"Cuba categorically rejects any attempt whatsoever to take advantage of the tragic situation created in order to occupy Libya and control its oil"

Statement by Cuba’s Minister of Foreign Affairs to the UN Human Rights Council, Geneva, March 1, 2011

From the same article..
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/news-i/2marzo-Cuba%20categorically.html


"Despite the paucity of some facts and information, the reality is that the origins of the situation in North Africa and the Middle East are to be found within the crisis of the rapacious policy imposed by the United States and its NATO allies in the region. The price of food has tripled, water is scarce, the desert is growing, poverty is on the rise and with it, repugnant social inequality and exclusion in the distribution of the opulent wealth garnered from oil in the region."

[Bud Struggle]

"Cuba categorically rejects any attempt whatsoever to take advantage of the tragic situation created in order to occupy Libya and control its oil"

Statement by Cuba’s Minister of Foreign Affairs to the UN Human Rights Council, Geneva, March 1, 2011

From the same article..
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/news-i/2marzo-Cuba%20categorically.html


"Despite the paucity of some facts and information, the reality is that the origins of the situation in North Africa and the Middle East are to be found within the crisis of the rapacious policy imposed by the United States and its NATO allies in the region. The price of food has tripled, water is scarce, the desert is growing, poverty is on the rise and with it, repugnant social inequality and exclusion in the distribution of the opulent wealth garnered from oil in the region."




I guess Cuba gets most of it's oil from Gaddafi.

[Lt. Ferret]

who gives a fuck what cuba thinks about nato's vision of north africa.

[ComradeMan]

who gives a fuck what cuba thinks about nato's vision of north africa.

This is a discussion forum to discuss opinions and seeing as the Latin American left are taking up a slightly different position on this I think it's valid enough. Chavez and Venezuela have already put mediation on the table.

[Lt. Ferret]

and the only person who took that mediation seriously was the libyan dictator. its not relevent.

[ComradeMan]

and the only person who took that mediation seriously was the libyan dictator. its not relevent.

.... and the Arab League. :rolleyes:

[Lt. Ferret]

in a very vague sense and they're grasping at straws. if it withered away to nothingness you wouldnt hear another peep from them.

[hatzel]

if it withered away to nothingness you wouldnt hear another peep from them.

What is 'it' and who is 'them? :confused:

[Lt. Ferret]

if "it" (the peace proposal) withered away to nothingness you wouldnt hear a peep about it from "them" (the arab league).

try to keep up. pronouns can be your friend.

[Fulanito de Tal]

This is the second time that Lt. Ferret states that Cuba doesn't matter. Also, the manner in which he reacts to news from Cuba it uncalled for. If I don't care for someone's opinion, I just ignore it. I don't look for it and then continue to discuss how it is not significant.

Maybe he just hates the country.

EDIT: The last time he hated on Cuba was when they announced the news on the lung cancer vaccine.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

In the article, there are like 3 paragraphs that are talking about Libya. The next 20 or so are a tirade against capitalism, hunger, domestic violence, and all kinds of other issues that are only indirectly related to the issue at hand.

It's basically, "The west shouldn't intervene for Libyas oil and...Anti-Capitalist Tirade for a page of print"

[hatzel]

It's basically, "The west shouldn't intervene for Libyas oil and...Anti-Capitalist Tirade for a page of print"

You'd not be a great anti-capitalist if you didn't embark on an anti-capitalist rant every now and then :)

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

That's unfortunate. There are times you think the class struggle and all that could just be left out of it. A nice break for a minute or two. Oh well, 60 years of the same propoganda and still kicking.

[Lt. Ferret]

This is the second time that Lt. Ferret states that Cuba doesn't matter. Also, the manner in which he reacts to news from Cuba it uncalled for. If I don't care for someone's opinion, I just ignore it. I don't look for it and then continue to discuss how it is not significant.

Maybe he just hates the country.

EDIT: The last time he hated on Cuba was when they announced the news on the lung cancer vaccine.
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Cuba doesn't matter. I don't hate the country at all. It's just another country.

And, I wasn't hating on Cuba in that other thread about the scientific breakthrough, I was disagreeing with the idea that because Cuba had one scientific breakthrough, it somehow triumphs over the rest of the world with individual countries that have thousands of scientific breakthroughs every year.

Keep up that victim complex about your completely mediocre country though. I'll sleep well at night.

[RGacky3]

Except what Castro said is pretty much correct, the US, England and France have a HUGE amount of blame for situation of the middle east.

I don't know what LT Ferret is *****ing about, when he does'nt have an argument he just says "They suck," thats what it sounds like, he did'nt say castro was wrong, or earlier that the fact that Cuba has a lot of scientific breakthroughs dispite not having a profit motive prooves that the profit motive does not create innovation, he just says "CUBAS SMALL IT SUCKS." Which is just stupid.

Its the equivilent of ending an argument about history by saying "YOUR FAT."

[Lt. Ferret]

Yeah, haven't you noticed that blaming everything on the Imperialist powers of yesteryear sounds hollow and leads to the overthrow of petty dictators like Mubarak and Qaddafi ? And ITALY would be the main problem with Libya, due to it's colonialism. The problem is, it was run by a madman for 40 years who sapped the country of its wealth much more efficiently than any corporation could hope to do so.

Cuba is small, weak, ineffective, oppressive, and unrespected on the world stage. Honestly, why does it matter what their tinpot dictator thinks? Did he send any aid over? Did he send planes or tanks, or food or toilet paper?

[Che a chara]

Lt. Ferret,: 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' :thumbup1:

that is all

[Lt. Ferret]

'Imprisoning homosexuals' 'Imprisoning homosexuals' 'Imprisoning homosexuals' 'Imprisoning homosexuals' 'Imprisoning homosexuals' 'Imprisoning homosexuals' 'Imprisoning homosexuals'

'Longest Serving Political Prisoner in the World is in Cuba'
'Longest Serving Political Prisoner in the World is in Cuba'
'Longest Serving Political Prisoner in the World is in Cuba'
'Longest Serving Political Prisoner in the World is in Cuba'
'Longest Serving Political Prisoner in the World is in Cuba'

[Bud Struggle]

Lt. Ferret,: 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' 'The Bay of Pigs' :thumbup1:

that is all

That was almost 50 years ago. Maybe it's time for the Cuban people to move on. And for that matter the Castro Brothers have ruled their little kingdom long enough--maybe it's time for them to move on too.

[Che a chara]

That was almost 50 years ago. Maybe it's time for the Cuban people to move on. And for that matter the Castro Brothers have ruled their little kingdom long enough--maybe it's time for them to move on too.

Which is my point and proved by Lt. Ferret's above response.... he still holds some ill bitter feelings that the USA and it's CIA militaristic strategy suffered an embarrassing defeat against working class soldiers. he needs to let it go. :castro: :thumbup1:

[Lt. Ferret]

actually you're an idiot, I never spouted off anything remotely to that effect, and Castro has been the biggest betrayal of any sort of working class movement that could have existed in Cuba. You supporting the Cuban regime is a slap in the face to any sort of working class movement.

[Che a chara]

actually you're an idiot, I never spouted off anything remotely to that effect, and Castro has been the biggest betrayal of any sort of working class movement that could have existed in Cuba. You supporting the Cuban regime is a slap in the face to any sort of working class movement.

bullshit, you're always ultra defensive about the USA and it's military and imperialist adventures. Move on kid....

[Lt. Ferret]

Am I? Always? Ultra Defensive?

Nope. The Bay of Pigs was a stupid idea, but 40 years later, you can see that Castro was NEVER a friend of the people, just another strongman dictator that is so prevalent in Latin American history.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Anyways...

I have been very glad that all the antisemitism and antiamericanism you normally see reported at the staged protests across the middle east are seemingly gone from these uprisings. They seem to be about people taking matters into their hands and not playing the whole 'evil Israel is the reason we're poor' mantra that lasted for generations. And god it is refreshing. Burn effigies of your own dictator for a change, it's quite nice.

[Che a chara]

actually you're an idiot, I never spouted off anything remotely to that effect, and Castro has been the biggest betrayal of any sort of working class movement that could have existed in Cuba. You supporting the Cuban regime is a slap in the face to any sort of working class movement.

You have some nerve lecturing me about the working class when you're a member of a world criminal militia that is the biggest threat to worldwide democracy and is a threat to the national security of every nation on the planet and that has absolutely no time for any working class citizens, in fact has been responsible directly and indirectly for the murder and mass slaughter of millions and millions of innocent working class people


Am I? Always? Ultra Defensive?

Yes you are dude, don't deny it. You have very seldom made comments about the abuses in the USA and it's militray, yet you see fit to berate every other country.


Nope. The Bay of Pigs was a stupid idea, but 40 years later, you can see that Castro was NEVER a friend of the people, just another strongman dictator that is so prevalent in Latin American history.

I still have faith in old man Castro and the Cuban revolution, despite US tyranny and threats against them. It's ideas are still an inspiration

[Lt. Ferret]

You're an idiot and a fraud against the working class, nothing you could possibly say after such idiocy could affect me.

[Che a chara]

You're an idiot and a fraud against the working class, nothing you could possibly say after such idiocy could affect me.

Organisation: U.S. Army. :confused:

[Lt. Ferret]

which is full of working class proletariats? all nations have armies, dumbass. even the red army.

[Bud Struggle]

Which is my point and proved by Lt. Ferret's above response.... he still holds some ill bitter feelings that the USA and it's CIA militaristic strategy suffered an embarrassing defeat against working class soldiers. he needs to let it go. :castro: :thumbup1:

But there is no difference between Castro and any other 40 years in the job dictator. Especially when the job of "President" seems to be a family title.

The Cubans need a revolution next.

[#FF0000]

which is full of working class proletariats? all nations have armies, dumbass. even the red army.

yes, all nations have armed forces and police forces to act as their muscle/defenders of privilege.

[Lt. Ferret]

have fun defending your revolution with flowers.

[ComradeMan]

have fun defending your revolution with flowers.

Other than trashing Cuba- do you actually have anything to say on the views expressed towards the Libyan situation? Other than inane name calling that is?

[Lt. Ferret]

Other than trashing Cuba- do you actually have anything to say on the views expressed towards the Libyan situation? Other than inane name calling that is?


Yeah, and I've expressed my views on the Libyan situation in the other Libyan threads we'd had already. Keep the US and NATO out in most regards, I would support a NATO or UN-led no-fly zone, but since most of the pilots are dumping their planes and defecting, that too is becoming a rapidly outdated idea.

I hope Libya comes out of the ashes as a secular Social Democracy, and uses its oil profits the way Norway does.

I care little what other dictators say on the subject, especially dictators that are only trying to stifle resistance against themselves. And if Castro WAS being completely honest, his efficacy is about zero.

[Omsk]

I hope Libya comes out of the ashes as a secular Social Democracy
No chance.
It will probably be rushed into 'democracy' and capitalism.A big oil station for the US that is.

[RGacky3]

Cuba is small, weak, ineffective, oppressive, and unrespected on the world stage. Honestly, why does it matter what their tinpot dictator thinks? Did he send any aid over? Did he send planes or tanks, or food or toilet paper?

Cuba is way more respected in Latin America than the US is, I know that much.

[alegab]

I guess Cuba gets most of it's oil from Gaddafi.
Nah, Venezuela is so much closer
And my guess is Fidel's dead or in a permanent comma
This "Fidel" is nowhere near as wise as the one we knew years ago

And I seriusly doubt Cuba can do anything regarding to Libya, they don't have a large army at all, it can not compete even w/ the rebels (even if they were without int'l support)

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

No chance.
It will probably be rushed into 'democracy' and capitalism.A big oil station for the US that is.

As opposed to being a nation that abstained from selling oil under Gaddafi.

And I couldn't agree more with Bud, the Castro Brothers paternalistic viewpoint of how Cuba should be run is in dire need of change. A change to a system without them that is.

[RGacky3]

Honestly I agree that Cuba needs to change, however to point Fidel as the same as your average dictator is'nt really honest, if you study about how Cuba is actually run, its actually fairly democratic, its more democratic than many of the leninist states, and more democratic than even some liberal democracies (it beats the hell out of Colombia and Mexico).

That being said, yeah, Cuba does need to change, by reforming the party system, and by taking the party out of the picture at the federal level, they are doing reforms in Cuba some of which I think are positive, but you have to take the party out of the picture as the main political body for real reform.

THe one fear I have is everbody knows that the US will JUMP at anything that happens in Cuba.

[khad]

And I seriusly doubt Cuba can do anything regarding to Libya, they don't have a large army at all, it can not compete even w/ the rebels (even if they were without int'l support)
You're full of entertainment!

[brigadista]

the main thing wrong with cuba is the americans at guantanamo and varadero- just saying

[Jazzratt]

have fun defending your revolution with flowers. Oh right, so the need for a standing revolutionary militia against outside threats totally justifies you being part of a State organ designed specifically to protect the interests of the bourgeoisie. You colossal pillock.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Honestly I agree that Cuba needs to change, however to point Fidel as the same as your average dictator is'nt really honest, if you study about how Cuba is actually run, its actually fairly democratic, its more democratic than many of the leninist states, and more democratic than even some liberal democracies (it beats the hell out of Colombia and Mexico).

That being said, yeah, Cuba does need to change, by reforming the party system, and by taking the party out of the picture at the federal level, they are doing reforms in Cuba some of which I think are positive, but you have to take the party out of the picture as the main political body for real reform.

THe one fear I have is everbody knows that the US will JUMP at anything that happens in Cuba.

I agree, and nobody outside of south florida is saying fidel is or was on the level of gaddafi or the baathists or, like, any of the US backed dictators in latin america. However, the market liberalizations in Cuba need to be carefully managed and, this may sound contradictory, nobody named Castro should be in charge. Nobody even alive during the revolution, it's time for a fresh face.

To say the US will jump is a bit pessimist I think. The US has had plenty of opportunities, since the end of the soviet union the US could theoretically intervene with little international repercussions. The change will come after the embargo is lifted, will Cuba remain quasi socialist or go full monty for the free market? I very highly doubt that would happen, but who knows.

[Bud Struggle]

To say the US will jump is a bit pessimist I think. The US has had plenty of opportunities, since the end of the soviet union the US could theoretically intervene with little international repercussions. The change will come after the embargo is lifted, will Cuba remain quasi socialist or go full monty for the free market? I very highly doubt that would happen, but who knows.

The embargo is what is keeping Cuba Socialist. Once that is removed and tourists and money and communications and technology invade Cuba--the current government doesn't have a chance.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I agree, and is one of the major reasons I'd like to see the brothers castro be gone with and new blood emerge at the top. But Cuba is in a position in which it can benefit greatly from opening up, and it'd be such a damn shame if the gains of the last half century were wasted for short sighted profit.

On a side note, the tourism boom is gonna be big I think.

[Bud Struggle]

On a side note, the tourism boom is gonna be big I think.

A Commie right here on RevLeft just book passage to Cuba on my boat as soon as the rules come off of going there. ;) :)

[RGacky3]

Once that is removed and tourists and money and communications and technology invade Cuba--the current government doesn't have a chance.

Thats all ready happening somewhat from europe, has'nt really changed much.

[Bud Struggle]

Thats all ready happening somewhat from europe, has'nt really changed much.

Europe is a long way away. The US is 5 hours away by boat. 15 mins away by air. Cuba could be a MAJOR american tourist desitination. Also Europe doesn't have a half million Americanized Cubans just waiting to go back and change around the society like the USA does.

But Fidel and his little brother have to first abscond into the hereafter. It's just a matter of time.

[hatzel]

My dad's been to Cuba...he still has some foreigner money! Wonderful :)

[brigadista]

i have been to Cuba a couple of times so ask away...

[brigadista]

Europe is a long way away. The US is 5 hours away by boat. 15 mins away by air. Cuba could be a MAJOR american tourist desitination. Also Europe doesn't have a half million Americanized Cubans just waiting to go back and change around the society like the USA does.

But Fidel and his little brother have to first abscond into the hereafter. It's just a matter of time.


Well there are a lot of Yanquis in the resort called Varadero and some suspiscious types at the Havana Libre.

I avoided Varadero but I saw a lot of old american men in Havana with very young cuban women.....the men were staying in Varadero...

that is one of the effects of the embargo...

[RGacky3]

Also Europe doesn't have a half million Americanized Cubans just waiting to go back and change around the society like the USA does.

But Fidel and his little brother have to first abscond into the hereafter. It's just a matter of time.

If the US opens up its embargo, that does'nt mean that Cuba will have control over the inports and exports in its country, thats one reason the US did the embargo, Cuba did'nt play ball.

when the Castros die, I don't think we have any idea what will happen, my guess is the communist party will just continue.

[Bud Struggle]

when the Castros die, I don't think we have any idea what will happen, my guess is the communist party will just continue.

It will go the route of all the other "Socialist" counties. Talking the Socialist talk but walking the Capitalist walk. Maybe not even that--too many Miami Cubans want to go back and they hate Communism. If it wasn't for them Socialism might have a chance in Cuba.

[Viet Minh]

Cuba is way more respected in Latin America than the US is, I know that much.

It depends if you're talking in national or international terms. America is universally unpopular for their Global Imperialist agenda (real and perceived) Cuba makes no intereference in international affairs (except the odd comment as discussed above) at least not recently.
Nationally the US is more respected, Cuban refugees die trying to swim to Florida, and also from Latin America. A huge amount of that can be put down to America being a wealthier nation with better living conditions but soem you could also argue is due to human rights issues etc.


Nah, Venezuela is so much closer
And my guess is Fidel's dead or in a permanent comma
This "Fidel" is nowhere near as wise as the one we knew years ago

And I seriusly doubt Cuba can do anything regarding to Libya, they don't have a large army at all, it can not compete even w/ the rebels (even if they were without int'l support)

You could argue they had a big influence on the Angolan Civil war, they might have some impact. Unfortunately it would be seen to 'justify' US/ UN intrusion.


As opposed to being a nation that abstained from selling oil under Gaddafi.

And I couldn't agree more with Bud, the Castro Brothers paternalistic viewpoint of how Cuba should be run is in dire need of change. A change to a system without them that is.

The problem is absolute power, there is no opposition to the Government, and therefore no consequences to their actions. What opposition there is is (allegedly) supressed. They need a voting system, freedom of press, and freedom of movement (immigration and emigration). Thta will be a start.


It will go the route of all the other "Socialist" counties. Talking the Socialist talk but walking the Capitalist walk. Maybe not even that--too many Miami Cubans want to go back and they hate Communism. If it wasn't for them Socialism might have a chance in Cuba.

The main worry with pseudo-socialist dictatorships is they can actually fuel a reactionary rise in the far-right. Thats something that emerged in Russia and former Yugoslavia in the last decade or more.


I agree, and is one of the major reasons I'd like to see the brothers castro be gone with and new blood emerge at the top. But Cuba is in a position in which it can benefit greatly from opening up, and it'd be such a damn shame if the gains of the last half century were wasted for short sighted profit.

On a side note, the tourism boom is gonna be big I think.

They should claim the universal copyright to che guevara images, they'd be rich, and most of the money coming from the USA! :D And some from this site, well an affiliate anyway! :p

[Baseball]

I hope Libya comes out of the ashes as a secular Social Democracy, and uses its oil profits the way Norway does.

Why would it be advantageous for Libya to exchange green socialism for its more befuddled and confused cousin?

Libya needs to create wealth and prosper. Naturally, capitalism is the way to go.

[Baseball]

No chance.
It will probably be rushed into 'democracy' and capitalism.A big oil station for the US that is.


Its just soooomuch better for Libyans to live as paupers, under a tyrant, than to actually sell its product to people who can pay...

[Baseball]

Honestly I agree that Cuba needs to change, however to point Fidel as the same as your average dictator is'nt really honest, if you study about how Cuba is actually run, its actually fairly democratic, its more democratic than many of the leninist states, and more democratic than even some liberal democracies (it beats the hell out of Colombia and Mexico).

That being said, yeah, Cuba does need to change, by reforming the party system, and by taking the party out of the picture at the federal level, they are doing reforms in Cuba some of which I think are positive, but you have to take the party out of the picture as the main political body for real reform.

THe one fear I have is everbody knows that the US will JUMP at anything that happens in Cuba.


Yep. Cuba is probably more "democratic" that some "liberal" democracies.
Just shows that liberty and democracy do not go hand in hand.
And you continue the socialist line of valuing democracy ahead of liberty.

[#FF0000]

And you continue the socialist line of valuing democracy ahead of liberty.

:mellow:

[#FF0000]

Its just soooomuch better for Libyans to live as paupers, under a tyrant, than to actually sell its product to people who can pay...

Yeah because if there's one thing that history has shown, dealing with America is a sure way to a decent standard of living for people in the Middle East.

[Viet Minh]

Yep. Cuba is probably more "democratic" that some "liberal" democracies.
Just shows that liberty and democracy do not go hand in hand.


First of all Cuba is not democratic in the least, and you said 'that' instead of 'than', your argument is invalid.
Second name me a single instance of a non-democratic state that had any sort of liberty for all classes, except the leaders I mean..


And you continue the socialist line of valuing democracy ahead of liberty.

lolwut?

[Lt. Ferret]

Oh right, so the need for a standing revolutionary militia against outside threats totally justifies you being part of a State organ designed specifically to protect the interests of the bourgeoisie. You colossal pillock.


1. What?

2. A standing Army is better trained and drilled and more efficient in combat than a militia. Look at the National Guard compared to the Active U.S. Army. I would hope and pray that an enemy I fought was composed of militia.

3. Seriously, what?

[RGacky3]

Yep. Cuba is probably more "democratic" that some "liberal" democracies.
Just shows that liberty and democracy do not go hand in hand.
And you continue the socialist line of valuing democracy ahead of liberty.

democracy and liberty DO go hand in hand, in socialist countries tyrannical institutions, that strip away liberty by economic tyranny are dismantled, political democracy and political liberty goes hand in hand, and economic democracy and economic liberty also go hand in hand.


Libya needs to create wealth and prosper. Naturally, capitalism is the way to go.

Just like Eygpt :).


It will go the route of all the other "Socialist" counties. Talking the Socialist talk but walking the Capitalist walk. Maybe not even that--too many Miami Cubans want to go back and they hate Communism. If it wasn't for them Socialism might have a chance in Cuba.

Without US support Miami Cubans would probably be really marginalized.

[Jazzratt]

1. What? Look, I know you're a monumental fuckhead but what I said was really mindbendingly simple.


2. A standing Army is better trained and drilled and more efficient in combat than a militia. Look at the National Guard compared to the Active U.S. Army. I would hope and pray that an enemy I fought was composed of militia. This is almost entirely irrelevant.


3. Seriously, what? Your job is to defend the ruling class. That is what I said, I really have no idea why you found it so hard to understand. Don't they expect basic standards of literacy out of you or something?

[Lt. Ferret]

my job is to defend all members of society. you support the ruling class with your labor. you support the ruling class more than i ever do.


but, seeing as how youre insulting my intelligence but you cant understand simple concepts like not everything is a conspiracy theory or the working class dont support the military, i really dont expect you to understand anything beyond your boneheaded, painfully simple and NOT marxist approach to what i do for a living.

[psgchisolm]

Look, I know you're a monumental fuckhead but what I said was really mindbendingly simple.

This is almost entirely irrelevant.

Your job is to defend the ruling class. That is what I said, I really have no idea why you found it so hard to understand. Don't they expect basic standards of literacy out of you or something?
Title 10 Subtitle B Part 1 Chapter 307 § 3062.

(a) It is the intent of Congress to provide an Army that is capable, in conjunction with the other armed forces, of—
(1) preserving the peace and security, and providing for the defense, of the United States, the Commonwealths and possessions, and any areas occupied by the United States;
(2) supporting the national policies;
(3) implementing the national objectives; and
(4) overcoming any nations responsible for aggressive acts that imperil the peace and security of the United States.
(b) In general, the Army, within the Department of the Army, includes land combat and service forces and such aviation and water transport as may be organic therein. It shall be organized, trained, and equipped primarily for prompt and sustained combat incident to operations on land. It is responsible for the preparation of land forces necessary for the effective prosecution of war except as otherwise assigned and, in accordance with integrated joint mobilization plans, for the expansion of the peacetime components of the Army to meet the needs of war.
(c) The Army consists of—
(1) the Regular Army, the Army National Guard of the United States, the Army National Guard while in the service of the United States and the Army Reserve; and
(2) all persons appointed or enlisted in, or conscripted into, the Army without component.
(d) The organized peace establishment of the Army consists of all—
(1) military organizations of the Army with their installations and supporting and auxiliary elements, including combat, training, administrative, and logistic elements; and
(2) members of the Army, including those not assigned to units;
necessary to form the basis for a complete and immediate mobilization for the national defense in the event of a national emergency.


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[Che a chara]

my job is to defend all members of society. you support the ruling class with your labor. you support the ruling class more than i ever do.


but, seeing as how youre insulting my intelligence but you cant understand simple concepts like not everything is a conspiracy theory or the working class dont support the military, i really dont expect you to understand anything beyond your boneheaded, painfully simple and NOT marxist approach to what i do for a living.

Yeah, not very defensive :rolleyes: you can try to justify or excuse whatever you want but the role and the actions of the US military is very different to what you hold it in regard to. this is proof of your ultra-defensive approach to all things wrapped in the 'glorious' stars and stripes.

[Lt. Ferret]

Yeah, not very defensive :rolleyes: you can try to justify or excuse whatever you want but the role and the actions of the US military is very different to what you hold it in regard to. this is proof of your ultra-defensive approach to all things wrapped in the 'glorious' stars and stripes.


i dont defend the undefendable. the united states was party to and perpetrator to many heinous acts. but, its not like communism wasnt either. you're a leninist for gods sake. one of the monsters of our time.

[pranabjyoti]

That was almost 50 years ago. Maybe it's time for the Cuban people to move on. And for that matter the Castro Brothers have ruled their little kingdom long enough--maybe it's time for them to move on too.
Who will take their place?

[RGacky3]

How about the cuban people?

[t.shonku]

Guys one question has been lurking in my head for some time now ! The question goes something like this. What long term impact will Libya bring to future global politics? All though the west has said that the attack on Libya is only aerial and is aimed at stopping “genocide” , but I somehow feel that at some point of time we are going to see intervention of NATO ground forces ( remember the west promised that it is not a regime change yet they are dropping bomb on Gaddafi’s residence, so how the hell can we trust this double faced liars ?) .


Frankly speaking guys when I look at Libya I see another Iraq just waiting to happen. I somehow feel that that sly fox Laden is waiting somewhere waiting for the right opportunity to strike and convert Libya into next Iraq for west. I somehow feel that this wasteful wars will result in decay of imperialistic western military power and loosen it’s grip on third world which will catapult liberation movement all around the globe. No I am not talking about destruction of USA but what I am trying to say is West will loose it’s capacity to influence global events .The world is changing and changing fast.



Just today I was listening to BBC there a leader from Muslim Brotherhood came on TV and talked about New World Order . He said something about influencing the Arab world and spreading of new Democracy into Africa.

[t.shonku]

How about the cuban people?


Don't worry about Cuban people they are doing fine!!!!!!!


Cuba has a great public health system and a great public education system as well, people there are better than they were in Batista's time.


Cuba is only facing setbacks which is causing some sufferings , and this is because of US economic warfare on Cuba.


Viva Cuba !!!!!!!!


Viva Fidel

[Bud Struggle]

Don't worry about Cuban people they are doing fine!!!!!!!


Cuba has a great public health system and a great public education system as well, people there are better than they were in Batista's time.


Cuba is only facing setbacks which is causing some sufferings , and this is because of US economic warfare on Cuba.



Yea "Daddy" Fidel is taking care of the poor Cubans that can't make intelligent decisions for themselves. And they have great transportation and the plantains taste good and they can play music in the streets till 8 o'clock.

But when are they going to be able to grow up and take care of themselves?

[Viet Minh]

So why are there Cuban refugees in America? :confused:

[#FF0000]

people are only grown-ups when they're dirt poor and getting terrible pay for working for a wealthy white businessman, i guess

[#FF0000]

So why are there Cuban refugees in America? :confused:

I think most of them were of the wealthier sort in Cuba prior to the revolution.

[#FF0000]

my job is to defend all members of society. you support the ruling class with your labor. you support the ruling class more than i ever do

slaves support slavemasters more than overseers do because they allow themselves to be slaves too.

i mean hey whatever makes you feel better about being a gangster for capital, i guess.

[Bud Struggle]

people are only grown-ups when they're dirt poor and working for awful pay, i guess

Come on--even you don't think that 50 years of one family dictatirorial rule is the plan for the future of the world!

[#FF0000]

Title 10 Subtitle B Part 1 Chapter 307 § 3062.

(a) It is the intent of Congress to provide an Army that is capable, in conjunction with the other armed forces, of—
(1) preserving the peace and security, and providing for the defense, of the United States, the Commonwealths and possessions, and any areas occupied by the United States;
(2) supporting the national policies;

National policies that are set by...

the state

which in every society ever, primarily serves the interests of...

the ruling class.

you will get the hang of it one day. one day.

[#FF0000]

Come on--even you don't think that 50 years of one family dictatirorial rule is the plan for the future of the world!

Oh no I'm no fan of Cuba or Castro, but your post was about as dumb as any "VIVA FIDEL" nonsense.

[Bud Struggle]

I think most of them were of the wealthier sort in Cuba prior to the revolution.


Speaking of "dumb" posts

I'd like to see some stats on that one.

So the Marial boat lift was one for millionaires?

[#FF0000]

I'd like to see some stats on that one.

So the Marial boat lift was one for millionaires?

By wealthier I meant like, land owners or small-time businessmen.

don't know for sure either

[Bud Struggle]

By wealthier I meant like, land owners or small-time businessmen.

Again stats, Please.

And you don't thing there is something violently--non Communist (and I mean Revleft Communism not God knows REAL WORLD Communism) about one family ruling a country for 50 years?

[#FF0000]

Again stats, Please.

just some off-hand thing i have heard a few times from cubans i know. Don't know how true it is but I think it stands to reason that the first people out of a country when significant upheaval starts up will be a little more well-off.


And you don't thing there is something violently--non Communist (and I mean Revleft Communism not God knows REAL WORLD Communism) about one family ruling a country for 50 years?yeah

[RGacky3]

Yea "Daddy" Fidel is taking care of the poor Cubans that can't make intelligent decisions for themselves. And they have great transportation and the plantains taste good and they can play music in the streets till 8 o'clock.

But when are they going to be able to grow up and take care of themselves?

You can shit on Cuba, and you have every right too, I as well oppose the Fidel government. HOWEVER, Cuba overall, has a pretty democratic system, especially at hte local levels.

They do take care of themselves, Cuban people have much more control over hteir own communities and workplaces than Americans do.

Their control over Federal government is about the same as American's.

THere are a lot of things to not like about the Cuban regiem, but to act as if the US is more democratic or more free is rediculous.

A lot of Cuban migrants are the same as Mexican migrants, Cuba is still a poor country, many are political too, also "Cuba's upper classes dominated the first wave and constituted a significant proportion of the second wave."
(http://www.answers.com/topic/cuban-american)

[Bud Struggle]

You can shit on Cuba, and you have every right too, I as well oppose the Fidel government. HOWEVER, Cuba overall, has a pretty democratic system, especially at hte local levels.

They do take care of themselves, Cuban people have much more control over hteir own communities and workplaces than Americans do. That's nonsense. Have you ever talked to a Cuban exile. One of the new ones. If you are in complete agreement with Fidel--it's "free" in Cuba. If you disagree--the government has issues with you. You are watched and sometimes arrested. But no matter what you believe yu always have to be looking over your sholder.


Their control over Federal government is about the same as American's. No. The Castros control what goes on and what doesn't.


THere are a lot of things to not like about the Cuban regiem, but to act as if the US is more democratic or more free is rediculous. That's not what Cubans say.


A lot of Cuban migrants are the same as Mexican migrants, Cuba is still a poor country, many are political too, also "Cuba's upper classes dominated the first wave and constituted a significant proportion of the second wave."
(http://www.answers.com/topic/cuban-american) That was 50 yerats ago. The new immigrants to the US arepoor--but then again so is everyone in Cuba.

[RGacky3]

That's nonsense. Have you ever talked to a Cuban exile. One of the new ones. If you are in complete agreement with Fidel--it's "free" in Cuba. If you disagree--the government has issues with you. You are watched and sometimes arrested. But no matter what you believe yu always have to be looking over your sholder.


free speach is restricted in Cuba, and I have talked to Cuban exiles, but in Cuba, people do have more control over how their cities and workplaces run than they do in the US, also the number of political prisoners in Cuba is relatively low.


No. The Castros control what goes on and what doesn't.


Not really, but any way, in the US the Chamber of Commerse and Wallstreet controls what goes on and what does'nt.


That's not what Cubans say.


You don't know shit about what Cubans say.


That was 50 yerats ago. The new immigrants to the US arepoor--but then again so is everyone in Cuba.

As is everyone in most of latin America, but Cuba is doing better than most.