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Havet

3rd March 2011, 17:16

NutFkykjmbM

"go back home"

irony

white americans :rolleyes:

Scary Monster

3rd March 2011, 17:28

Nolan

3rd March 2011, 17:45

Hate has always been in Orange County. It is known 'round these parts as the epitome of a conservative uptight white republican community. Surely there aint this much bare ignorance and retardedness outside of the US?

This comment is American exceptionalism turned on its head. Europe and Russia are as bad and worse at times.

Scary Monster

3rd March 2011, 18:17

This comment is American exceptionalism turned on its head. Europe and Russia are as bad and worse at times.

Dont get yer panties in a bunch- all im sayin is, those right wingers were the most ignorant and retarded thing ive seen in a long time. Of course, i know europe and russia have some extreme nationalism. But damn, the right radicals in this vid dont know shit about arab or islamic culture, and fear it, viewing it as a real threat to their community. Theyre just repeating everything glenn beck says and shouting it at the arab people walking into the building.

Vampire Lobster

3rd March 2011, 18:19

This comment is American exceptionalism turned on its head. Europe and Russia are as bad and worse at times.

This so much. Americans like to ***** often about racism in America and how terrible and racist country America is and how people outside America are supposedly so tolerant and loving when compared to these American trogdolytes. Americans in general have the unfortunate tendency to be pretty self-flagellating.

But seriously, even though racism is ridiculously rampant in America, it could be so much worse. Continental Europe at the moment is not at all better and there's a huge anti-Muslim backslash going on at the moment. Right-wing parties are grabbing seats with anti-Muslim rhetoric and European conservative leaders like Merkel and Cameron are one ofter one starting to condemn the "multiculturalist experiment" in Europe. France loves to ban stuff because they don't fit French values (burqa being the most recent) and generally do stuff that the US racist right only can wish for. Switzerland recently banned minarets just to piss off Muslims and because they apparently are symbols of the Muslim conquest of Europe. Yeah. Violence in the Western Europe isn't too commonplace at least yet, even though Sweden had some anti-immigrant vigilant guy who shot immigrant families, but in the former communist bloc white power skins are pretty influential which is mirrored immediately in the amount of anti-immigrant violence. Of course, it's not this bad everywhere and especially big cities are pretty multicultural nowadays and many immigrants can live their lives without facing too much racism. Europe is still a ridiculously versatile continent so you're going to see all kind of situations and all kind of opinions.

This is just Europe, though. Rest of the world isn't any better and bonehead nationalism and outright chauvinism is something you're going to see all over the world and the rhetoric you hear in America is actually pretty mild from what I often heard from nationalists in Japan, Korea or China.

so yeah, Americans, get this: you're country isn't unique in how much it sucks. there are precisely as many utterly reactionary and ignorant people everywhere and the forms of racism you see among your average American city dwellers are pretty mild in comparison to some other cities in the world. I'd be a black man in Texas any day over being a black man in Moscow.

B5C

3rd March 2011, 18:41

"Where one nation under god and not Allah"

Allah & God (Christian) are the same damn god. Damn ignorance.

These are Americans telling other Americans that they are terrorists. That is simply wrong. I don't really like organized religion, but seriously. These protesters are harming America. They have a right to protest, but damn. Stop being so arrogant and ignorant. These are Americans. Just because they are Muslim does not make them terrorists.

Roach

3rd March 2011, 21:00

Those guys dont even try disguise their hate in some kind of ''noble christian crusade against muslim primitive feudal circumcisers of women'',it is pure and simple religious and racial persecution.

RGacky3

3rd March 2011, 21:38

The OC is the asshole of California. This is discusting, seriously this stuff really pissed me off, this sort of bigotry should be mett with the same disdain that anti-semitism is, people that have these bigoted viewpoints need to be humiliated.

"Where one nation under god and not Allah"

I loved that one, these idiots don't have a clue what they are protesting against, its amazing how ignorant people can be and passionate about their ignorance.

these right wing bigoted ignorant racists make me ashamed to have the OC in California (I know there are many good people there, but there are also a lot of right wing rich racist dickheads)

Lt. Ferret

3rd March 2011, 21:48

im in this state and god i am racing to get the fuck out.

psgchisolm

3rd March 2011, 21:50

Red Commissar

3rd March 2011, 23:00

Interesting if you look at the ratings. The butt hurt wingnuts have been rating it down.

Weezer

3rd March 2011, 23:03

In my county...I feel so embarrassed.

Havet

3rd March 2011, 23:13

In my county...I feel so embarrassed.

Each one of us should do what we can in our countys to improve the situation. As KRS-ONE once said (HnCYyGih3PA), it's little changes that make up the big change.

So go out there and do what you can. Organize discussion meetings to promote tolerance and explain how people arent so much different from yourself. Or come up with even better ideas.

B5C

3rd March 2011, 23:23

It's safe to say we can blame bush for this...again.

Nah, more like him:
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Tim Finnegan

4th March 2011, 00:15

How long is it, do you think, before somebody revives the Silver Legion?

Nah, more like him:
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It's nice that he manages to slip in some ageism and misogyny in there too. Just so we remember the full extent of his bigotry.

TheCultofAbeLincoln

4th March 2011, 00:33

Che a chara

4th March 2011, 00:36

NutFkykjmbM

"go back home"

irony

white americans :rolleyes:

:mad: truly revolting. This is who and what the tea party and the neocons in the USA have become. This is no isolated incident. the emergence of the radical right has spawned pure hate and lies. Sometimes you just want to let them run with their agenda so that they will end up really alienated and push to further extremes so they self implode, other times I want to reach into their chests and pull out their cold, non-beating hearts :mad:

Tim Finnegan

4th March 2011, 00:38

Damn that is sad.

Anyways, in a kida related issue, I'm very glad about the SC decision to allow these people to keep telling people at military funerals that there kid is going to hell or going to the funeral of gay rights activists and telling their families they're going to hell.

*snip*

America. Fuck yes.
"Freedom", as the great Rosa Luxembourg put it, "is always the freedom of dissenters." That some of those dissenters while hateful, bigoted apes is the price we have to pay. The trick, I think, is to use your own freedom to shout the bastards down.

Sasha

4th March 2011, 01:10

If there's a place in America which deserves a taste of the Old Testament God, it's Orange County.

source: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/03/03/here-is-a-thing-that-exists-people-are-scared-and-scary-edition

danyboy27

4th March 2011, 03:22

good thing we got laws in canada prohibiting hate speech.

this is not freedom of speech, fuck it.

Os Cangaceiros

4th March 2011, 03:27

What led to these people protesting this specific event? This is the first time I've heard of the "tea party" protesting a cultural-type event like this.

Che a chara

4th March 2011, 03:44

good thing we got laws in canada prohibiting hate speech.

this is not freedom of speech, fuck it.

I don't support freedom of speech. The 'First Amendment' has been abused and distorted and has generally become a piece of shit.

Tim Finnegan

4th March 2011, 04:08

B5C

4th March 2011, 05:55

What led to these people protesting this specific event? This is the first time I've heard of the "tea party" protesting a cultural-type event like this.

The fundraiser is supported by CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations). Major right wing leaders believe CAIR is a terrorist supporting front.

RGacky3

4th March 2011, 07:15

I don't support freedom of speech. The 'First Amendment' has been abused and distorted and has generally become a piece of shit.

Really? Because its more likely getting rid of freedom of speech will damage YOUR ability to speak than these dicks.

You don'nt counter hate by banning speech. You counter it with knowledge and shame.

good thing we got laws in canada prohibiting hate speech.

this is not freedom of speech, fuck it.

It is, freedom of speech means any speech.

Which includes us shaming them in public.

Sasha

4th March 2011, 10:51

Y'know, I'm actually beginning to think that there's just something about the word "Orange" that makes people degenerate into bigoted Nazi fucks.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nF5zFdqgjf8/TJkNje_recI/AAAAAAAABRQ/gE_IIHVZMac/s1600/photo_3431_wide_crop.jpg

You do know that Orange is our national colour right?
Not that i disagree per se, just wanted to know what your hypothesis meant for the whole of the dutch. :D

Tim Finnegan

4th March 2011, 10:56

You do know that Orange is our national colour right?
Not that i disagree per se, just wanted to know what your hypothesis meant for the whole of the dutch. :D
Presumably, that's why you smoke so much cannabis- to control the dark beast lurking within! ;)

Che a chara

4th March 2011, 12:36

Really? Because its more likely getting rid of freedom of speech will damage YOUR ability to speak than these dicks.

Not really. I wouldn't go out of my way to verbally abuse and bully ethnic minorities who were out on a fundraising evening, nor would I like myself to have the so called freedom to deliberately lie and hate, especially while there is children involved. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed, and these vermin crossed it.

No platform for fascists -- and when I mean that, I mean no public means to spread their filth. I'm sure they can use other ways, but giving them this sort of 'air time' to spew that kind of provocative material is giving them some legitimacy and could open up a bigger can of worms, not mentioning that elected representatives are present stoking the flames !!! it's dangerous dude.

You don'nt counter hate by banning speech. You counter it with knowledge and shame.

I agree to an extent, but have you tried to reason with folks like that ? You let them off the leash, then they'll keep on corrupting other people into their mad world.

RGacky3

4th March 2011, 12:47

No platform for fascists -- and when I mean that, I mean no public means to spread their filth. I'm sure they can use other ways, but giving them this sort of 'air time' to spew that kind of provocative material is giving them some legitimacy and could open up a bigger can of worms, not mentioning that elected representatives are present stoking the flames !!! it's dangerous dude.

Sure, you don't need to put them on the air, but thats not restricting their actual freedom of speach.

You let them off the leash, then they'll keep on corrupting other people into their mad world.

Then you counter their idiocy with reason.

Sasha

4th March 2011, 12:49

well, there is a free speech and there is idiocy

Regulators Reject Proposal That Would Bring Fox-Style News to Canada (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-be-moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html)

As America's middle class battles for its survival on the Wisconsin barricades -- against various Koch Oil surrogates and the corporate toadies at Fox News -- fans of enlightenment, democracy and justice can take comfort from a significant victory north of Wisconsin border. Fox News will not be moving into Canada after all! The reason: Canada regulators announced (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/crtc-ditches-bid-to-allow-fake-news/article1921489/) last week they would reject efforts by Canada's right wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news.
(http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/crtc-plan-to-lift-ban-on-false-news-prompts-political-investigation/article1898147/)
Canada's Radio Act (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/statutes-lois.htm) requires that "a licenser may not broadcast....any false or misleading news." The provision has kept Fox News and right wing talk radio out of Canada and helped make Canada a model for liberal democracy and freedom. As a result of that law, Canadians enjoy high quality news coverage including the kind of foreign affairs and investigative journalism that flourished in this country before Ronald Reagan abolished the "Fairness Doctrine" in 1987. Political dialogue in Canada is marked by civility, modesty, honesty, collegiality, and idealism that have pretty much disappeared on the U.S. airwaves. When Stephen Harper moved to abolish anti-lying provision of the Radio Act, Canadians rose up to oppose him fearing that their tradition of honest non partisan news would be replaced by the toxic, overtly partisan, biased and dishonest news coverage familiar to American citizens who listen to Fox News and talk radio. Harper's proposal was timed to facilitate the launch of a new right wing network (http://gawker.com/#%215564364/canada-to-get-its-very-own-fox-news), "Sun TV News" which Canadians call "Fox News North."

Harper, often referred to as "George W. Bush's Mini Me," is known for having mounted a Bush like war on government scientists, data collectors, transparency, and enlightenment in general. He is a wizard of all the familiar tools of demagoguery; false patriotism, bigotry, fear, selfishness and belligerent religiosity.
Harper's attempts to make lying legal on Canadian television is a stark admission that right wing political ideology can only dominate national debate through dishonest propaganda. Since corporate profit-taking is not an attractive vessel for populism, a political party or broadcast network that makes itself the tool of corporate and financial elites must lie to make its agenda popular with the public. In the Unites States, Fox News and talk radio, the sock puppets of billionaires and corporate robber barons have become the masters of propaganda and distortion on the public airwaves. Fox News's notoriously biased and dishonest coverage of the Wisconsin's protests is a prime example of the brand of news coverage Canada has smartly avoided.

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-be-moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html

i mean, you might not want to infringe on an individuals righ to free speech (although i'm of the opinion freedom of speech end on the moment you use it to infringe on other peoples fundamental rights like not being subjected to racism or defamation) but for me there is no right to rile people through the media with intentional lies and neither should there be an right to have demonstration like these where kids are subjected to this kind of terror. cant keep it civil? fine, than you can have your freedom of speech on the otherside of town.

Che a chara

4th March 2011, 12:59

Sure, you don't need to put them on the air, but thats not restricting their actual freedom of speach.

Then you counter their idiocy with reason.

Fair enough, but my tolerance levels wouldn't really allow me to be coherent or reasoning enough to engage in such a debate with these people.

i mean, you might not want to infringe on an individuals righ to free speech (although i'm of the opinion freedom of speech end on the moment you use it to infringe on other peoples fundamental rights like not being subjected to racism or defamation) but for me there is no right to rile people through the media with intentional lies and neither should there be an right to have demonstration like these where kids are subjected to this kind of terror. cant keep it civil? fine, than you can have your freedom of speech on the otherside of town.

Spot on.

RGacky3

4th March 2011, 13:04

Fair enough, but my tolerance levels wouldn't really allow me to be coherent or reasoning enough to engage in such a debate with these people.

You don't have to debate with them, just the people they try to appeal too.

i mean, you might not want to infringe on an individuals righ to free speech (although i'm of the opinion freedom of speech end on the moment you use it to infringe on other peoples fundamental rights like not being subjected to racism or defamation) but for me there is no right to rile people through the media with intentional lies and neither should there be an right to have demonstration like these where kids are subjected to this kind of terror. cant keep it civil? fine, than you can have your freedom of speech on the otherside of town.

I agree with the public air waves, those are public property.

danyboy27

4th March 2011, 17:33

Che a chara

6th March 2011, 03:22

RGacky3

6th March 2011, 08:30

it really pissing me off sometimes, my local radio station are a bunch of intolerants islamophobic and xenophobic people, but they do so much efforts to hide those tendency that even with our current laws we cannot take them down.

you would be surprised how much fucking time i have to take to explain to people about all the bullshit they hear on the radio.

Don't they have a kind of "fairness doctrine" (thats the American term) in Canada? Meaning both sides have to be represented, and it has to be proven to be for the public good (like informative rather than straight propeganda) before its put on the air?

They use populist terms in order to earn support and the most simplistic phrases can gain sympathy. Then they move onto baiting and getting a reaction which they drum up and exploit.

My FAVORATE example of this came with Rush recently, when he was speaking against public unions and progressives raising taxes he said something to the effect of "You better give up the money before the people with pitchforks come and take the money," Then he realizes that his audience might actually be in favor of that so he says "Actually its not the rich they're demanding it from, its Average Americans," which is total bullshit because the Average American does'nt make over 250,000 a year. Thats right wing talk radio in a nutshell.

These guys are jokes, looking out for the rich and trying to direct the anger it somewhere else.

Che a chara

6th March 2011, 13:44

Don't they have a kind of "fairness doctrine" (thats the American term) in Canada? Meaning both sides have to be represented, and it has to be proven to be for the public good (like informative rather than straight propeganda) before its put on the air?

This is why regulation is so necessary and is a dirty word for the crazy right. Sure they try to pass of Fox 'news' as bleeding "Fair and balanced", giving the impression to newer viewers and the gullible that they are presenting the facts.

My FAVORATE example of this came with Rush recently, when he was speaking against public unions and progressives raising taxes he said something to the effect of "You better give up the money before the people with pitchforks come and take the money," Then he realizes that his audience might actually be in favor of that so he says "Actually its not the rich they're demanding it from, its Average Americans," which is total bullshit because the Average American does'nt make over 250,000 a year. Thats right wing talk radio in a nutshell.

These guys are jokes, looking out for the rich and trying to direct the anger it somewhere else.

What I find difficult to argue with is when the rich put themselves on the moral high ground by publicly declaring their % of what they donate to charities and good causes. Bill Gates for instance, he's used by a lot of the right in the USA as an example of the 'good hearted nature' of the rich and it's no secret that he donates large amounts of money each year to charities. A lot of the rich right do the same, Beck included, so when that is put to you it kind of leaves you stumped, and it is a good way from them to grind you down, making them feel superior and therefore them being right and you wrong, then watch them go off on tangents giving them the 'authority' and 'rank' on other topics.

brigadista

6th March 2011, 13:54

dont know how it is in the US but do they get a lot of tax relief on those donations?

RGacky3

6th March 2011, 15:33

What I find difficult to argue with is when the rich put themselves on the moral high ground by publicly declaring their % of what they donate to charities and good causes. Bill Gates for instance, he's used by a lot of the right in the USA as an example of the 'good hearted nature' of the rich and it's no secret that he donates large amounts of money each year to charities. A lot of the rich right do the same, Beck included, so when that is put to you it kind of leaves you stumped, and it is a good way from them to grind you down, making them feel superior and therefore them being right and you wrong, then watch them go off on tangents giving them the 'authority' and 'rank' on other topics.

Heres some responses.

"If you have more money than you can spend, and you give it to charity, it does'nt make you a moral person, it just makes you not the evilest dickhead in the world."

"No one would NEED charity if we had a democratic economy."

"What does that have to do with systemic problems."

Honestly that argument is not an argument for anything, and really digs into the conservatives mind, you'll never hear Bill Gates make that argument (he's not really a right winger), the type of people you hear making that argument are the same type of people that vilify poor people and praise power, and have a really demented power complex, they just drool over anything that gives them some superiority, be it power, wealth, or giving to charity. People like Warren Buffet don't make that argument, because they are well ajusted humans, and they understand its not an argument and it has nothing to do with systemic problems.

That argument can really backfire when tried on a smart leftwinger, because it can just be used against the one making the argument.

Bud Struggle

6th March 2011, 15:35

i mean, you might not want to infringe on an individuals righ to free speech (although i'm of the opinion freedom of speech end on the moment you use it to infringe on other peoples fundamental rights like not being subjected to racism or defamation) but for me there is no right to rile people through the media with intentional lies and neither should there be an right to have demonstration like these where kids are subjected to this kind of terror. cant keep it civil? fine, than you can have your freedom of speech on the otherside of town.

All good in theory. But who says what is good or bad or right or wrong or true or untrue? And worse yet, who inforces all of these things? Lots of well meaning people would easily ban Communist speech right along with Nazi speech.

The only way you would want to ban any sort of free speech is if you unltimately believe that human being weren't rational creatures and they only needed one verson of reality fed to them.

If you believe that humans are rational--even though prone to mistakes--the solution isn't banning speech, it's ration argument.

RGacky3

6th March 2011, 15:44

although i'm of the opinion freedom of speech end on the moment you use it to infringe on other peoples fundamental rights like not being subjected to racism or defamation

Thats not a right, if I tell you your ugly, I hav'nt infringed on any right, If I say everyone from your race is ugly, same thing.

The only way you would want to ban any sort of free speech is if you unltimately believe that human being weren't rational creatures and they only needed one verson of reality fed to them.

If you believe that humans are rational--even though prone to mistakes--the solution isn't banning speech, it's ration argument.

Exactly, and you'd be setting that reality? Oh yeah, humans.

Sasha

6th March 2011, 15:51

again, the freedom of speech is and should be an fundamental right, but like all fundamental rights they are limited, and should only be limited, on the point where they infringine on other peoples fundamental rights.
someones right to oppose abortion and euthanesia ends where they infringe on someone else right to have one. your right to private property end where my right to adueqate housing begins. the church can be against homsexuality but they shouldnt be allowed to give fast amounts of money to influence legislation. etc etc.
so yeah, the right for calling for an communist revolution is also almost absolute but still limited, i would say right about the point where your call includes for all midle and upperclass taken to deathcamps and shot.
there is and should be an right to free speech, there is no right to discriminate, to call for other peoples libertys to be taken away (to religion, to not being discriminated, to being persecuted etc etc)

RGacky3

6th March 2011, 16:03

someones right to oppose abortion and euthanesia ends where they infringe on someone else right to have one.

But thats not speach, you have to physically stop someone from having an abortion, thats something else.

the church can be against homsexuality but they shouldnt be allowed to give fast amounts of money to influence legislation. etc etc.

Nor should anyone. But thast not speach (I don't agree with the libertarian idea that money is speach, nor that public airwives being privately held is somehow 'free speach').

i would say right about the point where your call includes for all midle and upperclass taken to deathcamps and shot.

YOu can call for it, but it becomes a crime when you take steps towards it.

And so on.

Sasha

6th March 2011, 16:48

but what is the line between free speech and incitement?
i think esp in the US that line became very blurred.
i have no problem with someone saying "i believe gays will burn for all eternity in hell" but that doesnt meen that they are allowed to say "gays should burn" let alone "go out and burn the gays"
to use an local example, when wilders (our extreme right parlemtarian) says "islam is an fascist tolitarian ideaoligy" i think he is an idiot, but its something he should be allowed to say and i would argue against it. when he says, "vote for me and i will make it illegal for women wearing headscarfs to use public transport" i think he needs to be stopped.

PhoenixAsh

6th March 2011, 17:09

You do know that Orange is our national colour right?
Not that i disagree per se, just wanted to know what your hypothesis meant for the whole of the dutch. :D

:D Unfortunately the orange marches depicted in the picture use orange because of the Dutch...[foolish national pride enflaming remark] you know...when one of "our" guys became king of England and "whipped" those nasty Scots and Irish into submission at Drogheda ;) [/foolish national pride enflaming remark]

Presumably, that's why you smoke so much cannabis- to control the dark beast lurking within! ;)

....pass me the chips please...o...and the brownies...and, and...that apple looks mighty tasty...and give me the liquorice...and that candy bar has nice colours...give me that too....incidentally...whats for dinner??? :D:D:D:D:D:D