Malthusian Bunkum

[Amphictyonis]

For the Malthusian guy who posted this thread:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/many-people-can-t148400/index.html



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[mlgb]

"in 1956 people were predicting peak oil in the US in 1970"

and the US peaked in 1970. he then quotes global oil reserve numbers in a deliberately deceptive manner to try and show that this didn't happen. they he goes on to shill for the 'free market'.

going to the website linked at the end reveals it to be a libertarian propaganda mill. you probably shouldn't give any credibility to this and you certainly shouldn't try to use it a a foundation for your argument.

[Amphictyonis]

"in 1956 people were predicting peak oil in the US in 1970"

and the US peaked in 1970. he then quotes global oil reserve numbers in a deliberately deceptive manner to try and show that this didn't happen. they he goes on to shill for the 'free market'.

going to the website linked at the end reveals it to be a libertarian propaganda mill. you probably shouldn't give any credibility to this and you certainly shouldn't try to use it a a foundation for your argument.

It's not a hooray capitalist innovation thread- obviously we're socialists and can ignore the supply and demand free market bunkum...the point is most resources we think are finite are indeed finite but with new technology comes new ways of using resources.

It's all rather obvious information.

[Jose Gracchus]

I love that the same types who have only OMFG YOU ARE WITH MALTHUS FUCKIN ELITIST "guilt by association" arguments to offer against those even bringing up sustainability issue, freely quote from the disgusting likes of Simon et al and the rest of wide-eyed free market = infinite cornucopia of human ingenuity and wish-granting when it suits their purposes.

Remember kids, you can use far-right anti-working class economists and propagandists when it suits your preexisting lines!

[Kotze]

It's not a hooray capitalist innovation thread- obviously we're socialists and can ignore the supply and demand free market bunkum...the point is most resources we think are finite are indeed finite but with new technology comes new ways of using resources.Whatever your intent was, it's a hooray capitalist clip by hooray capitalism propagandists (LearnLiberty.org). The point made there is certainly not that new technology just so happens to come into existence to help us. Whatever one may think of the concrete numbers used there (at one point there's a disclaimer about some numbers being used for illustrative purposes O_o), the point made is that supply and demand deals with scarcity by putting a premium on it, the part you call bunkum. The claim is that when a resource is scarce, supply and demand raises the price and so puts pressure on those who use the resource to be more efficient when using that input or to find alternative inputs and that it also gives an incentive to produce more of it. We cannot ignore this if we want to have satisfactory answers how a socialist system can be on par with or better than capitalism.

Oh, and btw. this "information" about oil won't shut up Malthusians, because even going by pessimistic estimates about remaining resources requires less of a constraint on the economy than pollution.

[Amphictyonis]

I love that the same types who have only OMFG YOU ARE WITH MALTHUS FUCKIN ELITIST "guilt by association" arguments to offer against those even bringing up sustainability issue, freely quote from the disgusting likes of Simon et al and the rest of wide-eyed free market = infinite cornucopia of human ingenuity and wish-granting when it suits their purposes.

Remember kids, you can use far-right anti-working class economists and propagandists when it suits your preexisting lines!

Oooo...blood in the water. Swim sharky shark swim. Of course the point of me posting the video wasn't to show how "innovation in the free market" will lead to new technology. I actually posted in depth in the other thread concerning the use of technology under socialism which cannot manifest under capitalism. I will concede the point that capitalists are idiots and I could've used a better video to get my point across. Obvious.

[Kotze]

Hmm, apparantly some very childish person negrepped my last post.
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* What is the nature of man and society?
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Of course the point of me posting the video wasn't to show how "innovation in the free market" will lead to new technology.But that was the point of the video, irrespective of your intent. May I ask those who liked that video, what exactly they liked about it? If you take out the pro-market-economy message, what is left? Is it the numbers? Are you willing to defend these numbers?

[Jose Gracchus]

The hypocrisy is blatant. Arguments against your enemies consist entirely of "elitism!" and "you support Malthus wanting worker babies to starve!" Yet when you lean on the Kochs for low-rent gotcha points, then you become all defensive. 'fraid that anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear can see you for the hypocrite you are.

In the thread linked, we have idiots over and over saying "YOU CAN'T COMPARE CONSUMPTION IN SOCIALISM TO CAPITALISM!!!" Yet you cite utterly entirely pro-market triumphalist propaganda.

[Sir Comradical]

Accurate pricing does not prevent resources from being depleted on a finite planet.

[Amphictyonis]

Hmm, apparantly some very childish person negrepped my last post.
Kiss me and I'll kiss you back. Slap me and I'll slap you back. Neg rep me and I'll neg rep you back. The video isn't worth arguing over. I could use a video of Satan explaining how technology changes teh way we consume resources and his point would still stand. This wouldn't be a post in support of Satanism.

[Kotze]

Amphictyonis,

you made a thread in the science section, where you recommended a video that contains praise for "free-market" mechanisms and some numbers about oil-resource estimates over time. The first reply already pointed out that this is by a "free-market" propaganda mill and called their usage of numbers deliberatively deceptive.
I could use a video of Satan explaining how technology changes teh way we consume resources and his point would still stand.He did not make a point about human ingenuity and the pace of technological development in general, he made a claim concerning the pace of technological development brought about by market mechanisms.

I negrepped your post with that video because making a thread for it in the science section is like making a thread in history with a vid that makes people go wtf does he talk about lizard people and you are like jeezegetoverthatdetailwhatabouthismessage, and everybody continues watching, but it's only lizard people, lizard people, lizard people all the way.

:P

[Summerspeaker]

Accurate pricing does not prevent resources from being depleted on a finite planet.

Unless you convert it to energy, mass remains. Unless you're performing nuclear reactions, even the elements should stay the same. With proper recycling and power from that great fusion ball in the sky, finitude does not preclude long-term sustainability.