View Full Version : Oh, fuck. Hegel.
#FF0000
1st March 2011, 19:33
The concept of the spirit has its reality in the spirit. If this reality is in completed identity with that concept as the knowledge of the absolute idea, then the necessary aspect is that the implicitly free intelligence liberates itself for its concept, in order for it to be a shape worthy of it.
I can barely parse the sentences in this paragraph.
Someone please explain
Blackscare
1st March 2011, 19:34
:scared:
As this paragraph demonstrates, Hegel was just plain fucking with us at this point.
NoOneIsIllegal
1st March 2011, 20:36
Dear philosophy,
blow me.
Lyev
1st March 2011, 20:39
Is this from the Phenomenology of Spirit? I think, for Hegel, the absolute idea is basically akin to a deity. It is also a means through which we can philosophize about history. Further (as far as I know, I could be wrong; I am no Hegel expert at all), it is the highest mode of consciousness - the 'world spirit' (weltgeist). I think also in this context we can read spirit (geist) as 'mind' - in other words, human thought, right? From marxists.org/glossary: 'Like “Absolute truth (http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/a/b.htm#absolute-truth)” knowledge of the Absolute Idea is an unattainable ideal, representing the whole of Nature (http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/n/a.htm#nature) which has developed to the point where it is conscious of itself, or the concept of Nature developed to such a degree of concreteness that it has “returned to itself” - an absolutely comprehensive, practical and concrete concept of the world.' But, yeah, other than that: :confused::confused:
Il Medico
1st March 2011, 21:03
ummm.........I have no idea.
Vanguard1917
1st March 2011, 22:04
Marx deciphered Hegel so we wouldn't have to.
the last donut of the night
1st March 2011, 22:11
wow marx must have had no sexual life if this is what he spent his time writing on
gorillafuck
1st March 2011, 22:14
http://www.umsl.edu/~keelr/leaf.gif
HEAD ICE
1st March 2011, 22:30
Use Google Translate and translate from Hegel into English.
¿Que?
1st March 2011, 23:47
lǝƃǝH = Marx
JazzRemington
2nd March 2011, 00:05
I can barely parse the sentences in this paragraph.
Someone please explain
That's because it's absolutely and utterly nonsensical. It cannot be understood or explained, period.
the last donut of the night
2nd March 2011, 01:21
rosa hasnt showed up yet
too good to be true...
Kuppo Shakur
2nd March 2011, 01:50
I think she's in surgery or something.
NoOneIsIllegal
2nd March 2011, 06:00
That's because it's absolutely and utterly nonsensical. It cannot be understood or explained, period.
^ Summing up all of philosophy
rosa hasnt showed up yet
too good to be true...
If you knew Rosa was in surgery, that's pretty low. But I doubt it and otherwise I would of agreed!
Os Cangaceiros
2nd March 2011, 06:15
rosa hasnt showed up yet
Well, the word "dialectics" has not been uttered yet...
...oops.
Zanthorus
2nd March 2011, 16:50
I can barely parse the sentences in this paragraph.
Someone please explain
I kind of understand what this passage is trying to say and kind of don't whatsoever. Spirit is a translation of the german 'Geist' which is also similar to the idea of 'mind' or 'soul'. It can be anything from the structure of an individuals mind (Their 'mode of consciousness') to an entire culture and historical period, as in 'the spirit of the age' (Or at least this broad usage of Geist was the one used by Hegel in the Phenomenology). This passage would appear to have something to do with Hegel's whole idea of the highest stage of knowledge being 'absolute knowledge', which can only be achieved as part of a social project rather than as the mode of consciousness of a particular individual.
Where did you get this passage from anyway? Much of Hegel's purely philosophical work asumes that the reader has a prior knowledge of much of the 2000 years of philosophy prior to Hegel up until Kant and the early Romantics. Hegel's lectures are much easier to read. I reccomend going for something like the Lectures on the Philosophy of History. Or get an introduction to Hegel that attempts to explain Hegel's work in plain English like Frederick Beiser's Cambridge Companion to Hegel or Craig Mattarese's Starting with Hegel (The former is longer but goes into much greater depth concerning the influences on Hegel and is more focused on giving an account of Hegel's sytem in it's entirety whereas the latter is shorter and the approach is more geared towards seeing how Hegel's thought developed throughout his life).
praxis1966
2nd March 2011, 19:02
phi·loso·phy (fi läs′ə fē) noun pl. philosophies -·phies: intentional nebulousness combined with esoteric diction masquerading as profundity
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