Why are leftists so much more attractive than right-wingers?

[Thug Lessons]

Just something I noticed. On average, socialists and leftists more generally tend to be much more attractive than people on the right, with very few exceptions. To a certain extent this is because they're skinnier, more athletic, more confident and have better personal hygiene, but it seems like it goes deeper than that. Leftists just have better facial and body structure compared to their right-wing counterparts, like they're genetically endowed with beauty. What is it that makes the left so fit and sexy while the average rightist, particularly one of the lolbertarian persuasion, is usually fat, pale and 'meh' at best?

I mean, the fact that leftists are more intelligent than right-wingers doesn't really need any explanation, because more intelligent people simply tend to gravitate towards more correct belief systems, but maybe there's a connection there. You know, since beautiful people get more respect in our society they also get taken more seriously by teachers, and this extra attention leads to an increase in intelligence and the eventual adoption of leftist ideology.

Thoughts?

[Proukunin]

some women on fox and some of tea party women are fuckin hot as hell.

I dont think this has anything to do with what ideology one has and im sure this has been posted before also.

[zimmerwald1915]

Trolling by compliment. That's new.

[Proukunin]

this should be in chit-chat.

[resurgence]

What I find "sexy" is gravitas. Iron in the belly, fire in the blood and serious intent.

The fashionistas and flakes that make up so much of the middle class left can be cute, pretty, easy on the old eye balls but the thought of actually engaging in sexual activity with one of them fills with the same disgust as the idea of molesting a fluffy puppy dog.

[Thug Lessons]

some women on fox and some of tea party women are fuckin hot as hell.

I dont think this has anything to do with what ideology one has and im sure this has been posted before also.

Yes there are a few rare exceptions, but compare your average Tea Party rally to your average socialist rally and it'll be hard to deny what I'm saying. There's really no disputing it.

[hatzel]

Well, recent research findings (http://www.thelocal.se/32236/20110224/) suggest that this thread should actually be called 'why are right-wingers so much more attractive than leftists?' :)

[Proukunin]

idk, there is a lot of girls who are hot all over the political spectrum. this doesn't prove socialists and communists or anarchists are more attractive.

that has nothing to do with it.

I mean of course i'm going to want to believe socialists are more attractive because i'm a socialist, but I don't necessarily think it's true.

[Thug Lessons]

Well, recent research findings (http://www.thelocal.se/32236/20110224/) suggest that this thread should actually be called 'why are right-wingers so much more attractive than leftists?' :)

Unless Finnish politics is much different than I imagine, this compares rightists to social democrats, not socialists. Besides the point is moot because they're talking about politicians exclusively.

[piet11111]

I cant say anything about attractiveness but its without a shadow of a doubt that overall leftists are nicer people.

[Exakt]

lol you all seem pretty ugly to me lol

[Thug Lessons]

idk, there is a lot of girls who are hot all over the political spectrum. this doesn't prove socialists and communists or anarchists are more attractive.

that has nothing to do with it.

I mean of course i'm going to want to believe socialists are more attractive because i'm a socialist, but I don't necessarily think it's true.

I have studied this extensively and I can tell you that it's an objective fact that socialists are the most attractive people of any ideological group.

For example here is an ISO rally:

http://i.imgur.com/Dl1g4.jpg
Some of the boys are a little wimpy-looking and a couple are even chubby but all the women are cuties, and anyway both genders still absolutely blow away the fat beergut bubbas they were counter-protesting in terms of looks:

http://i.imgur.com/cKK3g.jpg

You can smell this picture.

[Exakt]

You can smell this picture.lol, only thing I can smell is your desperateness.

[Havet]

Just something I noticed. On average, socialists and leftists more generally tend to be much more attractive than people on the right, with very few exceptions. To a certain extent this is because they're skinnier, more athletic, more confident and have better personal hygiene, but it seems like it goes deeper than that. Leftists just have better facial and body structure compared to their right-wing counterparts, like they're genetically endowed with beauty. What is it that makes the left so fit and sexy while the average rightist, particularly one of the lolbertarian persuasion, is usually fat, pale and 'meh' at best?

I mean, the fact that leftists are more intelligent than right-wingers doesn't really need any explanation, because more intelligent people simply tend to gravitate towards more correct belief systems, but maybe there's a connection there. You know, since beautiful people get more respect in our society they also get taken more seriously by teachers, and this extra attention leads to an increase in intelligence and the eventual adoption of leftist ideology.

Thoughts?

Data or gtfo

[Thug Lessons]

lol, only thing I can smell is your desperateness.

Are you, by any chance, a libertarian? How would you describe yourself politically?

[Exakt]

Are you, by any chance, a libertarian? No.

Are you by any chance (1) An anime nerd fan/loser (judging from your avatar)?

(2) A Mickey Meowist, third Worldist? (Oh dear, now you're really looking like a white boy social outcast.)

(3) Someone so lacking in emotional/physical contact with members of your attracted sex(s) that you resort to posting about it on revleft?


How would you describe yourself politically?

Communist, with a Beauty Level of 24.

[Thug Lessons]

Data or gtfo

Compare any picture of a socialist or left-wing rally to that of a Tea Party or otherwise right-wing rally and the truth is undeniable. The only places this might not be true are in the former Soviet Union where the communists are mostly olds, but even there the most attractive segment of the youth are on the left.

[Who?]

This thread is terrible.

[Thug Lessons]

No.

Are you by any chance (1) An anime nerd fan/loser (judging from your avatar)?

(2) A Mickey Meowist, third Worldist? (Oh dear, now you're really looking like a white boy social outcast.)

(3) Someone so lacking in emotional/physical contact with members of your attracted sex(s) that you resort to posting about it on revleft?

Wow, fly away troll and quit strawmanning me to a ridiculous degree. Anyway, to answer your questions, I got magic and I got poetry in my fingertips, most of the time, (and this includes naps), I'm an F-18 bro, and I will destroy you in the air. I will deploy my ordinance to the ground.

[Havet]

Compare any picture of a socialist or left-wing rally to that of a Tea Party or otherwise right-wing rally and the truth is undeniable. The only places this might not be true are in the former Soviet Union where the communists are mostly olds, but even there the most attractive segment of the youth are on the left.

That is subjective as fuck, with no method or reliable way to gather results. You should have posted this "theory" in RC, its not worth the 0s and 1s of a thread.

[hatzel]

That is subjective as fuck, with no method or reliable way to gather results.

At least I tried to use quasi-empirical studies...:crying:

[Havet]

At least I tried to use quasi-empirical studies...:crying:

Well, Thug Lessons doesn' even bother to explain what she's analyzing exactly. She would need to objectively define "attractiveness" using parameters such as (right out of the top of my head): facial symmetry, shoulder-to-waste-ratio, body proportions, etc

[Blackscare]

I think it has to do with college students being younger and hence more attractive.

[resurgence]

Compare any picture of a socialist or left-wing rally to that of a Tea Party or otherwise right-wing rally and the truth is undeniable. The only places this might not be true are in the former Soviet Union where the communists are mostly olds, but even there the most attractive segment of the youth are on the left.

There is NO one in the ISO photo I would find sexy, but what struck me is that they are all pretty damn young while they all look middle aged creeping into elderly in the TEA party one. Could that have something to do with it? I mean young people generally look "cuter", no?

[Skooma Addict]

I am of the belief that ugly people are more discriminated against than any ethnic group (I am referring to America).

[Thug Lessons]

Well, Thug Lessons doesn' even bother to explain what she's analyzing exactly. She would need to objectively define "attractiveness" using parameters such as (right out of the top of my head): facial symmetry, shoulder-to-waste-ratio, body proportions, etc
Attractiveness does not work that way Havet.

[hatzel]

Attractiveness also doesn't work as 'here's a picture of some college students, and here's a picture of some middle aged women, LEFTISTS ARE FRIGGING SCHMEKSY!!!' :)

[Thug Lessons]

I think it has to do with college students being younger and hence more attractive.

Young right-wingers are also more unattractive than young socialists though.

[Thug Lessons]

I am of the belief that ugly people are more discriminated against than any ethnic group (I am referring to America).

If this is true it explains very well why the Tea Party is so angry.

[RedScare]

:laugh: This thread is about as funny as I expected. You can't make generalizations like this, there are so many variables involved that you can't draw a serious,empirical conclusion that doesn't have other factors seriously playing into it.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Well I don't think this actually holds up, but for right now, youth are radicalizing faster now than any time since the global justice movement so that could be part of it.

Also, bigotry is ugly.

[Bud Struggle]

Children of the Revolution is a truly beautiful Leftist woman. Physically and intellectually and spiritually (I know you guys don't believe in "spiritually," but she's got it.) <3

[resurgence]

"Oh we are SO more intelligent, and OH we are so much more beautiful darling than all nasty unhip white trash barbarians you dont get are OH so kewlll Maoism Third Worldism cos they dont have our education and refinment and all around sexiness..."

Seriously you are playing the characture very, very well.

I have seen Nazi propaganda from the 30s comparing Communists to fascists in an attempt to link revolutionary Communism to physical ugliness. I found it all very funny at the time, but if you are really being serious I dont find it so funny anymore.

[hatzel]

Children of the Revolution is a truly beautiful Leftist woman. Physically and intellectually and spiritually (I know you guys don't believe in "spiritually," but she's got it.) <3

I should have known you'd resurrect this one :lol:

[Thug Lessons]

Attractiveness also doesn't work as 'here's a picture of some college students, and here's a picture of some middle aged women, LEFTISTS ARE FRIGGING SCHMEKSY!!!' :)

I'm asking people to draw on their experiences and come to the obvious conclusions but no, you all want statistics taking a million variables into account. Socialists may be attractive, but they're pedantic as well.

[hatzel]

I'm asking people to draw on their experiences and come to the obvious conclusions but no, you all want statistics taking a million variables into account. Socialists may be attractive, but they're pedantic as well.

And as you know, the studies that I have consulted and cited suggest that the right is more attractive than the left...thus the 'obvious conclusion' is to follow the only source we currently have. Until another one can be cited to challenge it: right-wingers are more attractive. That's just the way it is.

[Thug Lessons]

And as you know, the studies that I have consulted and cited suggest that the right is more attractive than the left...thus the 'obvious conclusion' is to follow the only source we currently have. Until another one can be cited to challenge it: right-wingers are more attractive. That's just the way it is.

As I said before, that study isn't relevant because it only looks at politicians from one specific nation and compares rightists to liberals rather than socialists.

[Havet]

Attractiveness does not work that way Havet.

Then explain the objectiveness of your method

Oh, thats right, you don't have one.

[Bud Struggle]

I should have known you'd resurrect this one :lol:

She's perfect. No reserection required.

[Bud Struggle]

Then there's this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iKcZ3qcCmyo/SNeVrP-jKiI/AAAAAAAAKJw/KymMmknJdOs/s1600/liberalwomen.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iKcZ3qcCmyo/SNeVwWcbJ0I/AAAAAAAAKJ4/kxvIg3iHKjM/s1600/republicanwomen.jpg

[Le Libérer]

Children of the Revolution is a truly beautiful Leftist woman. Physically and intellectually and spiritually (I know you guys don't believe in "spiritually," but she's got it.) <3

Thank you Bud, thats very sweet.

Did you get the song I sent you?

[hatzel]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45519000/jpg/_45519540_000042075.jpg

PHWOAR!!! :tt1:

[Bud Struggle]

Thank you Bud, thats very sweet.

Did you get the song I sent you?

Yes. I'm in an all day meetings with 7 other people looking VERY CAPITALISTIC. I'm trying to look like I'm taking notes on my computer about land zoning regulations but all I'm doing is thinking of you.

[resurgence]

The conservative women there all look like escaped Playboy centre-folds.

[Le Libérer]

Yes. I'm in an all day meetings with 7 other people looking VERY CAPITALISTIC. I'm trying to look like I'm taking notes on my computer about land zoning regulations but all I'm doing is thinking of you.

Ok I'll be free later, maybe we can catch up then? @-}--

[Bud Struggle]

Ok I'll be free later, maybe we can catch up then? @-}--

Free is EXACTLY the word. Till then my captive heart soars with you.

(I'm now smiling and shaking my head "yes" at some lawyer's point--but all that I know--is you. :wub:

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

http://electricliterature.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/brezhnev.jpg

[Obs]

This thread is terrible.
I really wish my posts could just be a quote

[Bud Struggle]

http://electricliterature.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/brezhnev.jpg

Well he's a Communist--not a Capitalist. :)

[Le Libérer]

Free is EXACTLY the word. Till then my captive heart soars with you.

(I'm now smiling and shaking my head "yes" at some lawyer's point--but all that I know--is you. :wub:

Ok, until later. http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCpTHn_1eDkkgfVZUvJLU0sOf5v0Y-6gPMMUrcFVNJXRnrqIvk&t=1

[Urban Rubble]

This thread is awesome.

[hatzel]

If by awesome you mean one of the worst threads in history, even by OI standards, then yes, yes it is :)

[Viet Minh]

Who cares what someone looks like? But yeah I have noticed some tendencies, although its not a hard and fast rule. The greatest irony is the fat pigs that usually wear white pride shit :D

I suppose it could have something to do with self-esteem, Fascists and Nazis are insecure (possibly to do with their looks or intelligence) and want to bully and opress others to make themselves feel better and superior. The irony of course is that in a Leftist society everyone would be equals, in a Fascist society half of the WP'ers would be sent to the gas chambers as genetic inadequates.

[Viet Minh]

PHWOAR!!! :tt1:

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/022/6/4/That_makes_me_Moist_by_moistplz.jpg

[Urban Rubble]

If by awesome you mean one of the worst threads in history, even by OI standards, then yes, yes it is

Haha, yeah, I did kind of mean that.

[RGacky3]

Who cares what someone looks like?

My Penis.

[Viet Minh]

My Penis.

You'd probably find your penis doesn't care one way or another, it responds to stimulation, everything else is cultural. I know you were being light-hearted with your response but it is worth saying that ideas of beauty and sexual attraction are more than biological, they are tied in with ageism, sexism, and sometimes racism as well.

[Thug Lessons]

Okay so we're now at three pages and no one has yet to give an explanation of why leftists are so damn hot. Apparently everyone would rather play with a strawman all night than debate.

[ComradeMan]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yQh27jp_7Bo/SlRYkzzhJsI/AAAAAAAAACw/H1iUB_52kc8/s400/farc_p.jpg

from:-
http://marxist-leninist-films.blogspot.com/ (http://marxist-leninist-films.blogspot.com/)

Mamma mia!

But let's remember it's not just how people look- but what they do!

[Delenda Carthago]

Well he's a Communist--not a Capitalist. :)
no hes not.

[Hoplite]

Age has something to do with it as well, I dont know if this has been mentioned.

Those on the left tend to be somewhat younger than more conservative people. In our culture, youth = beauty.

As an aside, I dont see any real basis for one side being more attractive than another. Ironically enough, I saw the exact same OP in another forum populated by mostly conservatives except "leftist" switched for "conservative". We tend to see our own side in a more positive light than the opposition. It's a human thing.

[Delenda Carthago]

http://www.vivagoal.com/images/wallpapers/megan_fox_07.jpg

I wonder what her status is...

[Pretty Flaco]

All the sexy people I know don't know fuck about politics. They wouldn't know the difference between Bill O'Reilly, Bill Clinton, and Bill Nye the science guy.

[hatzel]

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/images/lead/800px-EDL.jpg

Who's the mug with the Holsten? :lol: To be honest, though, they just look working class, council estate types...

[WeAreReborn]

This is why I love leftists. When they are given a compliment with no factual basis they don't even take it. Pretty bad ass. :thumbup1:

[resurgence]

from:-
http://marxist-leninist-films.blogspot.com/ (http://marxist-leninist-films.blogspot.com/)

Mamma mia!

But let's remember it's not just how people look- but what they do!

Killing piggy wiggies is ultra-sexy.

[ComradeMan]

Killing piggy wiggies is ultra-sexy.

You sound like Palingenesis.
:laugh:

[Viet Minh]

Capitalist girls are probably the best looking, what with all the makeup and designer clothes and whatnot.

I think Allison Doody who played the Nazi girl in Indiana Jones is srsly hawt though, my secret shame :D

[gorillafuck]

there is no correlation between psychical attractiveness and political orientation. fuck this thread.

[Viet Minh]

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/images/lead/800px-EDL.jpg

Who's the mug with the Holsten? :lol: To be honest, though, they just look working class, council estate types...

"All muslims are terrorists, ban the burkha!! 'ang orn, wheres me balaclava.. Hurr durr"

[gorillafuck]

You'd probably find your penis doesn't care one way or another, it responds to stimulation, everything else is cultural. I know you were being light-hearted with your response but it is worth saying that ideas of beauty and sexual attraction are more than biological, they are tied in with ageism, sexism, and sometimes racism as well.Uh, you don't know much about psychology.

[Thug Lessons]

Uh, you don't know much about psychology.

Evolutionary psychology is whack.

[Viet Minh]

Uh, you don't know much about psychology.

? Educate me!

[Bud Struggle]

Back when I was a kid in Connecticut I lived in the country near a large woods--and every now and then when walking under the trees I happened on a bunch of wild orchids. Lady Slippers they were called.

They kind of remind me of Children of the Revolution. In a bramble of trees and woods there sometimes grows a lovely delecate flower.

http://www.naturemoncton.org/images/Showy%20Lady%27s%20Slipper1.jpg

[ComradeMan]

Allow me Bud.... a song you might like from Napoli....


eYyompN9ZMQ

;)

[Bud Struggle]

Thanks. I thought it was going to be Opera! :D

[Magón]

I'm just sexy regardless of politics. I've got the blood of a tiger, and Adonis DNA! :D

[hatzel]

So is anybody else finding it a little bit uncomfortable being in the middle of Bud and CotR's little flirting session? :rolleyes:

[Bud Struggle]

I'm Too Sexy
Right Said Bud

I'm too sexy for my posts too sexy for my posts
Love's going to leave me

I'm too sexy for my Thread too sexy for my thread
So sexy it hurts

And I'm too sexy for Moscow too sexy for Moscow
Pieking and Ho Che Min City

And I'm too sexy for your Tendancy
Too sexy for your Tencancy

No way I'm Trotskyiest

I'm a Commie you know what I mean
And I do my little turn on the Forums
Yeah on the Forums on the Forums yeah
I do my little turn on the Forums

I'm too sexy for my too sexy for Anarchy
Too sexy by far
And I'm too sexy for Anarchy
Too sexy for Anarchy what do you think about that

I'm a Commie you know what I mean
And I do my little turn on RevLeft
Yeah on RevLeft on RevLeft yeah
I shake my little touche on RevLeft

I'm too sexy for my too sexy for my too sexy for my

'Cos I'm a Commie you know what I mean
And I do my little turn on RevLeft
Yeah on RevLeft on RevLeft yeah
I shake my little touche on RevLeft

And I'm too sexy for this Thread

[Revolution starts with U]

First this is the dumbest thread ever :thumbdown:
Second, could you have picked any worse photos for the leftists there Bud? :lol: It's like comparing mug shots to graduation photos.
Madonna looks ugly while ann coulter looks hot... come on... that screams of bias

[Catmatic Leftist]

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/022/6/4/That_makes_me_Moist_by_moistplz.jpg

She kinda looks like Ayn Rand. :lol:

[Viet Minh]

She kinda looks like Ayn Rand. :lol:

I always thought that picture was an unconvincing trap :huh:


First this is the dumbest thread ever :thumbdown:
Second, could you have picked any worse photos for the leftists there Bud? :lol: It's like comparing mug shots to graduation photos.
Madonna looks ugly while ann coulter looks hot... come on... that screams of bias

Wait, wut?! Ann Coulter does not look hot there!! :scared:

[resurgence]

"All muslims are terrorists, ban the burkha!! 'ang orn, wheres me balaclava.. Hurr durr"

The guy who has a dating website UDA/UFF/UVF/RHC fans he is flogging here is slagging off the EDL. Have the EDL actually murdered any Muslims? Or murdered people they thought were Muslim like your heroes did more than twice?

You couldnt make it up.

Fuck the EDL by the way, but come on.

[Viet Minh]

The guy who has a dating website UDA/UFF/UVF/RHC fans he is flogging here is slagging off the EDL. Have the EDL actually murdered any Muslims? Or murdered people they thought were Muslim like your heroes did more than twice?

You couldnt make it up.

Fuck the EDL by the way, but come on.

Dating website? I wish! :D Actually maybe not since nobody ever posts there..

No I don't think the EDL have murdered anybody, doesn't make them right. Combat 18 haven't murdered as many people as the IRA, doesn't make the BNP more 'legit' than Sinn Fein.
And what? Which Muslims did 'my heroes' murder more than twice? :confused: :confused: You've lost me there sorry..

[brigadista]

the wild orchids are the most attractive thing so far on this thread.:)

[Viet Minh]

-self censored-

[Jazzratt]

Oh for god's sake.

[Thug Lessons]

Oh for god's sake.

The armies of those I love engirth me, and I engirth them; they will not let me off until I go with them, respond to them, and discorrupt them, and charge them with the full charge of the Soul.

[Le Libérer]

the wild orchids are the most attractive thing so far on this thread.:)

I agree. Maybe Bud and I should get matching wild orchid tattoos. :D

[The Grey Blur]

surely the OP is what the 'thanks!' button was invented for.

[Thug Lessons]

There's actually a space between the thanks and the exclamation point. Like this "Thanks !". Just a little revleft secret I noticed.

[Geiseric]

Leftists are more attractive because we're more exotic imho. Who would a girl wanna bang more, somebody who reminds them of nixon or castro?

[Catmatic Leftist]

Leftists are more attractive because we're more exotic imho. Who would a girl wanna bang more, somebody who reminds them of nixon or castro?

I'm sure Nixon was more wealthy.

[Geiseric]

I mean, would you rather go out with an individual in political and social goals, a communist, or one who follows what society wants him to do, a capitalist. Just the core principle is that many girls see communists as kind of the forbidden fruit, i read a joke article about this a while ago and whenever i tell girls i'm a communist they're immediately intrested.

[ComradeMan]

Oh for god's sake.

It's no use appealing to him, he'd probably be restricted at RevLeft....:lol:

[RGacky3]

everything else is cultural. I know you were being light-hearted with your response but it is worth saying that ideas of beauty and sexual attraction are more than biological, they are tied in with ageism, sexism, and sometimes racism as well.

Ageism??? Shut the hell up. Its pretty much universal that men prefer younger women in their 20s, and that has a biological reason, thats why younger women ... are hotter.

Sexism? I don't know what your getting at, but I am a heterosexual, so I is that discrimination??? What the hell are you talking about there? Or is it sexism because I find attractive girls attractive (attraction has a biological component, as well, what we find attractive shows health, fertility and so on). its vise versa as well.

But also yeah, leftist are more attractive, and theres a good reason, I'm a leftist, so the scale's been shifted quite a bit.

[ComradeMan]

Ageism??? Shut the hell up. Its pretty much universal that men prefer younger women in their 20s, and that has a biological reason, thats why younger women ... are hotter.

Sexism? I don't know what your getting at, but I am a heterosexual, so I is that discrimination??? What the hell are you talking about there? Or is it sexism because I find attractive girls attractive (attraction has a biological component, as well, what we find attractive shows health, fertility and so on). its vise versa as well.

But also yeah, leftist are more attractive, and theres a good reason, I'm a leftist, so the scale's been shifted quite a bit.

Tell that to Gina Lollobrigida....;)

Why is it pretty much universal? Where are your facts and stats to back up your assertion?

Stop telling people to shut up and calling them stupid all the time.

No one doubts that there is a certain biological element involved in attraction but it's not the only element and it's not necessarily universal per se.

[RGacky3]

Tell that to Gina Lollobrigida....;)


What should I tell her .... I don't get it.


Why is it pretty much universal? Where are your facts and stats to back up your assertion?


Do you want me to look up the 7/10/7 ratio studies? Studies on semmetry and cheek bone hight? Do you want me too look up that research? IF you do, tell me, "Gacky I absolutely think you are wrong in your statement." Then I'll look it up, and if I am correct I expect an apology.


No one doubts that there is a certain biological element involved in attraction but it's not the only element and it's not necessarily universal per se.

Did I say that? What are you arguing against?

[ComradeMan]

I don't get it.

:laugh:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For every general trend, survey and staitistic, when it comes to a matter as subjective as physical and emotional attraction there is never going to be a universal. What was considered "universal" during the Renaissance was a high domed forehead, white alabaster skin and red hair with plenty of curves! The whole tanned look came in with Coco Chanel and the slim = beautiful is really from the 1960s onwards. The "studies" are only ever going to be based on what is considered the "norm" at the time and that in itself is entirely subjective. It's not an argument to which I feel you can apply any kind of "mathematical" accuracy.

[Sir Comradical]

Don't know about you, but anarchists smell kinda funky.

*runs away*

[ComradeMan]

Don't know about you, but anarchists smell kinda funky.

*runs away*

I can't say I've ever seen "smelling anarchists" as a very revolutionary activity! :lol:

[RGacky3]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For every general trend, survey and staitistic, when it comes to a matter as subjective as physical and emotional attraction there is never going to be a universal. What was considered "universal" during the Renaissance was a high domed forehead, white alabaster skin and red hair with plenty of curves! The whole tanned look came in with Coco Chanel and the slim = beautiful is really from the 1960s onwards. The "studies" are only ever going to be based on what is considered the "norm" at the time and that in itself is entirely subjective. It's not an argument to which I feel you can apply any kind of "mathematical" accuracy.

I'll take scientists over comrademan :)

[Bud Struggle]

I'll take scientists over comrademan :)

Another Vanity Fair poll, Gack? ;) :D

[RGacky3]

Another Vanity Fair poll, Gack? ;) :D

Tell me I'm wrong, I'll get the studies, then you can appologise if I'm right.

[Le Libérer]

Ageism??? Shut the hell up. Its pretty much universal that men prefer younger women in their 20s, and that has a biological reason, thats why younger women ... are hotter. Meh. Gacky how old are you? i dont see how a male who may be near 20 can speak for men in their 30s 40s and 50s. Just about every man I know dispels what you just said. I know my own experience with men sure has been different. I get hit on by men in their 20s and 30s daily as does my circle of women friends who are in their 40s.

What is sexy? A man or woman who has a job, who can teach me things I dont know, who shows respect, who takes care of themselves. Oh and can make me laugh, which is frigging sexy as hell.

[Bud Struggle]

Tell me I'm wrong, I'll get the studies, then you can appologise if I'm right.

To an extent you are right. When we is a boy in his 20s--one does prefer girls of a similar age. But when one grows up to be a man--he prefers a woman.

[RGacky3]

To an extent you are right. When we is a boy in his 20s--one does prefer girls of a similar age. But when one grows up to be a man--he prefers a woman.

Sexually, women in their 20s and early 30s generally are the most sought after, there are biological reasons for that.


Meh. Gacky how old are you? i dont see how a male who may be near 20 can speak for men in their 30s 40s and 50s. Just about every man I know dispels what you just said. I know my own experience with men sure has been different. I get hit on by men in their 20s and 30s daily as does my circle of women friends who are in their 40s.


I'm sure you have friends who get hit on by younger guys, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. There are also other factors, but I'm talking over all, and over all, sexually, men prefer women that are youthfull looking and have certain features, including a 7/10/7 body, full breasts, semetrical face, youthfull skin and so on.


What is sexy? A man or woman who has a job, who can teach me things I dont know, who shows respect, who takes care of themselves. Oh and can make me laugh, which is frigging sexy as hell.

Yeah, but we are talking pure physical attraction here.

I agree though, physical attraction is a small part of the puzzel, with both men and women.

[Le Libérer]

Sexually, women in their 20s and early 30s generally are the most sought after, there are biological reasons for that.

prove this.


I'm sure you have friends who get hit on by younger guys, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. There are also other factors, but I'm talking over all, and over all, sexually, men prefer women that are youthfull looking and have certain features, including a 7/10/7 body, full breasts, semetrical face, youthfull skin and so on. You obviously have a very narrow point of view. (just your own) with no quantitative info to back it up. Not every one has the same criteria as you. (thank Gd) :)

[ComradeMan]

I'll take scientists over comrademan :)

The scientists you find quoted in Vanity Fair by any chance? :laugh:

As usual you choose conveniently to ignore trifling little side-issues like HISTORY etc because if you don't your argument collapses- all you have is a veiled ad hominem.

Anyway, permit me to be a bit poetic- speaking from a man's point of view, all women are beautiful in many ways. Like that British woman who they were calling an ugly duckling and all of that yet she had the voice of a nightingale.... beauty is expressed in many ways, not just by what's going on in your pants!

[Dimentio]

The ISO people are overally younger while the Tea Partiers are older, and since our culture is valuing youth, young people are considered more beautiful.

k1VOhEwdNPU




I have studied this extensively and I can tell you that it's an objective fact that socialists are the most attractive people of any ideological group.

For example here is an ISO rally:

http://i.imgur.com/Dl1g4.jpg
Some of the boys are a little wimpy-looking and a couple are even chubby but all the women are cuties, and anyway both genders still absolutely blow away the fat beergut bubbas they were counter-protesting in terms of looks:

http://i.imgur.com/cKK3g.jpg

You can smell this picture.

[Bud Struggle]

Anyway, permit me to be a bit poetic- speaking from a man's point of view, all women are beautiful in many ways. Like that British woman who they were calling an ugly duckling and all of that yet she had the voice of a nightingale.... beauty is expressed in many ways, not just by what's going on in your pants!

You Italians are pretty damn smooth! :D

[brigadista]

why is this thread apparently all about women?? just saying ...:):)

[hatzel]

Like that British woman who they were calling an ugly duckling

It took me a while to realise that you were talking about a specific British woman (Susan Boyle :))...I thought you were just talking in general about ugly women, and claiming they'd be British. I know it seems to be a bit of a stereotype (and it has been pointed out to me that all of my partners have been of foreign extraction, so it seems as though I agree! :laugh:), but still...no need to say it! But actually you didn't...so it's a'ight! :lol:

[Rafiq]

Leftists are more attractive because we're more exotic imho. Who would a girl wanna bang more, somebody who reminds them of nixon or castro?


To be fair, I'm sure they'd prefer JFK over both

Then again, they might choose Che over him.

[RGacky3]

Anyway, permit me to be a bit poetic- speaking from a man's point of view, all women are beautiful in many ways. Like that British woman who they were calling an ugly duckling and all of that yet she had the voice of a nightingale.... beauty is expressed in many ways, not just by what's going on in your pants!

Again we're talking about physical sexual attraction, I'm all for romance, but thats not what we're talking about. But yeah, she sang beautifully, but I would'nt sleep with her.


You obviously have a very narrow point of view. (just your own) with no quantitative info to back it up. Not every one has the same criteria as you. (thank Gd) :)

Heres a wikipedia article on it that is sourced, you can check the sources. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness#Determinants_of_female_phy sical_attractiveness)

If you want more I'll get you more, but I'll have to search for the exact studies.

I don't have a narrow point of view, I'm not talking about what I'm attracted to at all, I'm talking about overall physical attraction.

[Le Libérer]

why is this thread apparently all about women?? just saying ...:):)

Because there are more male members than female members. It is a bit of a boys club if you havent noticed.

[Le Libérer]

The ISO people are overally younger while the Tea Partiers are older, and since our culture is valuing youth, young people are considered more beautiful.

k1VOhEwdNPU

Now you are being agiest. I think that may have been 10 -20 years ago, but with the boomers older, most media is geared towards older people, They are the ones with the money.

And if you are basing physical attraction on that video, you just proved my point. :D

[brigadista]

Because there are more male members than female members. It is a bit of a boys club if you havent noticed.

was being ironic - how could anyone FAIL to notice that?:):)

[RGacky3]

And no its not all cultural, waist to hip ratio, bmi standards are cross cultural. (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100928083844.htm) There are strong biological factors that come into play (http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2042). Facial symmetry is a factor (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-symmetrical-face-isnt-just-prettier--its-healthier-too-509285.html).

[RGacky3]

Because there are more male members than female members. It is a bit of a boys club if you havent noticed.

BTW, similar biological factors come into play with men.

[RGacky3]

Now you are being agiest. I think that may have been 10 -20 years ago, but with the boomers older, most media is geared towards older people, They are the ones with the money.

And if you are basing physical attraction on that video, you just proved my point. :D

Its not ageist to consider youth attractive.

[Le Libérer]

Its not ageist to consider youth attractive.

It is if you project it on men older than 20. ;)

[RGacky3]

I just showed you the studies ....

[hatzel]

To be honest...I think we can agree that beauty is probably just being totally average. As an example, look at the six surrounding faces and the 'composite' face in the middle, which we might call the average, the level of all the others. Maybe the ladies on here will disagree, but as far as I'm concerned, the middle one is clearly the most attractive:

http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20090121/a1815_1143.jpg

There's that other thing, isn't there, 'face of the future' or something, which has composite faces of loads of faces taken in each country. I'm sure that people from each of those countries, on seeing the composite man or woman of their country, would find it very beautiful. Perhaps the Korean and the South African and the German would consider their country's 'representative' more attractive than the others, I don't know, because that's the 'average' of the faces they are raised around :)

I wrote a chapter in a book (fiction book, by the way, hah!) talking about exactly this. Makes sense to me! I'll cite it as a source if y'all start getting lemon :lol:

[brigadista]

BTW, similar biological factors come into play with men.
yeah but its women mainly mentioned on here until the last few posts:)

[Ravachol]

Ideological factions sure like to portray themselves as physically more attractive..

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/ww2/media/images/posters/dubiftfront.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9x8G7khv0/TCOqpPlE_hI/AAAAAAAAQC4/TH0lzt24weg/s640/3.jpg

Honestly I never got how a regime that produced this kind of propaganda could be homophobic....

[Le Libérer]

I just showed you the studies ....

Link please?

[Le Libérer]

To be honest...I think we can agree that beauty is probably just being totally average. As an example, look at the six surrounding faces and the 'composite' face in the middle, which we might call the average, the level of all the others. Maybe the ladies on here will disagree, but as far as I'm concerned, the middle one is clearly the most attractive:

http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20090121/a1815_1143.jpg



Not for me... The middle face is too pretty therefore not sexually attractive. If I had to pick the one that it hotter, it would be the right top pic. Hes definitely more masculine. But then again, none of them float my boat, they are all too young.

[brigadista]

Not for me... The middle face is too pretty therefore not sexually attractive. If I had to pick the one that it hotter, it would be the right top pic. Hes definitely more masculine. But then again, none of them float my boat, they are all too young.

middle left for me but also too young..:)

[Revolution starts with U]

Until women stop choosing supposed "masculinity" as the prime attribute, this world is going nowhere fast. It means we're just selecting for headstrong power-mongering.

[resurgence]

Until women stop choosing supposed "masculinity" as the prime attribute, this world is going nowhere fast. It means we're just selecting for headstrong power-mongering.

Not true. Masculinity generally means a guy has a spine which is not the same as headstrong power-mongering (which is a sign of weakness and self-indulgence, those two usually go hand in hand).

[Le Libérer]

Until women stop choosing supposed "masculinity" as the prime attribute, this world is going nowhere fast. It means we're just selecting for headstrong power-mongering.

Thank you for telling us what women should want. I suppose we should abandon was is innate to appease your ideals?

<----refrains from pointing out the obvious

[RGacky3]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100928083844.htm

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2042

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-symmetrical-face-isnt-just-prettier--its-healthier-too-509285.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness#Determinants_of_female_phy sical_attractiveness (on that one you can check all the sources there)


Until women stop choosing supposed "masculinity" as the prime attribute, this world is going nowhere fast. It means we're just selecting for headstrong power-mongering.

Its a biological choice, and no, many headstrong power-mongering types are cowards and wimps in their personal lives.


Thank you for telling us what women should want. I suppose we should abandon was is innate to appease your ideals?


No one should tell women what they want, nor CAN anyone, its a natural process.

As far as trying to appease ideals? Well if you want to attract a man, you have to .... attract him, meaning appease his ideals. The same goes for men, I can't just get fat, rude and dirty and them complain that women are demanding I "appease their ideals," If I want to attract women I have to appease their ideals.

[Le Libérer]

As far as trying to appease ideals? Well if you want to attract a man, you have to .... attract him, meaning appease his ideals. The same goes for men, I can't just get fat, rude and dirty and them complain that women are demanding I "appease their ideals," If I want to attract women I have to appease their ideals.

You obviously didnt follow the stream of thought.

I was referring to RSWU and how his statement could be veiled sexism. You dont tell women to abandon innate attractions to progress society. Who would make such a choice for women but the women themselves?

[brigadista]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100928083844.htm

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2042

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-symmetrical-face-isnt-just-prettier--its-healthier-too-509285.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness#Determinants_of_female_phy sical_attractiveness (on that one you can check all the sources there)



Its a biological choice, and no, many headstrong power-mongering types are cowards and wimps in their personal lives.



No one should tell women what they want, nor CAN anyone, its a natural process.

As far as trying to appease ideals? Well if you want to attract a man, you have to .... attract him, meaning appease his ideals. The same goes for men, I can't just get fat, rude and dirty and them complain that women are demanding I "appease their ideals," If I want to attract women I have to appease their ideals.

if i want a man i just ask him -

none of this "if you want a man, you have to...attract him .."etc

with respect but sorry Gacky but your "advice" is redundant :)

[Le Libérer]

if i want a man i just ask him -

none of this "if you want a man, you have to...attract him .."etc

with respect but sorry Gacky but your "advice" is redundant :)

Again men telling women who they should be attracted to as well as (in case of studies on the matter) who men should be attracted to.

There are so many varibles in attraction. I seriously am not sexually attracted to someone until I know something about them. I dont randomly look around and think, humm... who looks good enough to allow them to stick their dick in me. You got to have more than that to stir up any sort of sexual feelings. I think most women are that way. Its very primitive. Women subconsciously shop for who will supply the strongest gene for their children. They are just wired that way whether they realize it or not. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. Theres alot of thought process that goes into being sexually attracted to whomever, whether it be men or other women.

Who knows, I just may be a snob when it comes to who I fuck. Hell, I will own that :)

[RGacky3]

if i want a man i just ask him -

none of this "if you want a man, you have to...attract him .."etc

with respect but sorry Gacky but your "advice" is redundant :)

Thats the point, I'm pointing out that people who talk about certain types of sexual attraction being sexist is rediculous, you can't change what people are attracted too, its biology.


I was referring to RSWU and how his statement could be veiled sexism. You dont tell women to abandon innate attractions to progress society. Who would make such a choice for women but the women themselves?

That was kind of my point too.


Again men telling women who they should be attracted to as well as (in case of studies on the matter) who men should be attracted to.


I'm not telling anyone who they SHOULD be attracted too, I'm just pointing out that overall, certain features are more attractive, youthfullness, a good body composition and so on.


There are so many varibles in attraction. I seriously am not sexually attracted to someone until I know something about them. I dont randomly look around and think, humm... who looks good enough to allow them to stick their dick in me. You got to have more than that to stir up any sort of sexual feelings. I think most women are that way. Its very primitive. Women subconsciously shop for who will supply the strongest gene for their children. They are just wired that way whether they realize it or not. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. Theres alot of thought process that goes into being sexually attracted to whomever, whether it be men or other women.


That was kind of my point as well.

[Viet Minh]

It took me a while to realise that you were talking about a specific British woman (Susan Boyle :))...I thought you were just talking in general about ugly women, and claiming they'd be British. I know it seems to be a bit of a stereotype (and it has been pointed out to me that all of my partners have been of foreign extraction, so it seems as though I agree! :laugh:), but still...no need to say it! But actually you didn't...so it's a'ight! :lol:

:D I hear ya!


Ideological factions sure like to portray themselves as physically more attractive..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9x8G7khv0/TCOqpPlE_hI/AAAAAAAAQC4/TH0lzt24weg/s640/3.jpg

Honestly I never got how a regime that produced this kind of propaganda could be homophobic....

I always crack up about the Hitler Youth, frolicking naked in the Alpen streams, wtf?! :blink:


Until women stop choosing supposed "masculinity" as the prime attribute, this world is going nowhere fast. It means we're just selecting for headstrong power-mongering.


Thank you for telling us what women should want. I suppose we should abandon was is innate to appease your ideals?
<----refrains from pointing out the obvious


You obviously didnt follow the stream of thought.

I was referring to RSWU and how his statement could be veiled sexism. You dont tell women to abandon innate attractions to progress society. Who would make such a choice for women but the women themselves?

Whoa don't take it so personally, I can't speak for him but to I read his comment as a view of societal trends, not a general attack on women or as him dictating what women should want. I don't like to generalise everything but yeah, in school the egotistic buttholes got the girls, and the intelligent geeky guys didn't. As for the girls, the attractive ones had boyfriends, the intelligent, funny, caring, and independent ones didn't. Its symptomatic of our dog-eat-dog consumerist capitalist society.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100928083844.htm

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2042

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-symmetrical-face-isnt-just-prettier--its-healthier-too-509285.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness#Determinants_of_female_phy sical_attractiveness (on that one you can check all the sources there)

Have you checked them? A lot of this has to do with facial proportions, which can be formulised to some extent. Its equally applicable to a girl of 10 or a woman of 100. Please don't take this personally, I'm not attacking you or belittling your ideas, I agree to a large extent that men generally find younger women (or men) attractive, part of that is biological, but part of that is social. It also does change as you grow older. And it also depends on whether you are looking for sex (as males in their 20's are wont) or a relationship.


Again men telling women who they should be attracted to as well as (in case of studies on the matter) who men should be attracted to.

There are so many varibles in attraction. I seriously am not sexually attracted to someone until I know something about them. I dont randomly look around and think, humm... who looks good enough to allow them to stick their dick in me. You got to have more than that to stir up any sort of sexual feelings. I think most women are that way. Its very primitive. Women subconsciously shop for who will supply the strongest gene for their children. They are just wired that way whether they realize it or not. Of course there are exceptions to every rule.

Who knows, I just may be a snob when it comes to who I fuck. Hell, I will own that :)

Women tend to look for the alpha-male who will protect and provide for them and their children, and that's their choice of course. I know a lot of women who admit they are drawn to the 'bad boys' (probably most, although not all admit it) in one case a girl who kept going back to a man who hit her. And THAT is where I think its wrong, although I wouldn't go so far as to say she shouldn't be allowed to be with him.

The issues come from wider society, from a young age the TV teaches us that boys are strong and maculine and shoot people who are 'bad' (usually those who disobey the societies laws) and girls cook and clean and have babies. Little boys get guns and toy soldiers for christmas and little girls get plastic ovens and dolls that pee themselves.



Theres alot of thought process that goes into being sexually attracted to whomever, whether it be men or other women...

Continue.. :)

[Triple A]

We can all agree that beauty is subjective, and we can agree that most nazis are fat.
Go watch videos of nazi concentration on youtube and most of them are overweight.

[RGacky3]

Have you checked them? A lot of this has to do with facial proportions, which can be formulised to some extent. Its equally applicable to a girl of 10 or a woman of 100. Please don't take this personally,

I have, the first one has more to do with BMI and the 7-10-7 ratio, the second and third ones are about faces. The wikipedia article has a lot more sourced information, but alot of those studies are not on the internet, but are sourced there. I can look up stuff on age being a factor, but its kind of a "duh" point, but I'll look stuff up if people disute it.


part of that is biological, but part of that is social. It also does change as you grow older. And it also depends on whether you are looking for sex (as males in their 20's are wont) or a relationship.


Absolutely, I agree, there are a lot of social factors, but the biological factors cannot be ignored, and sexual attraction cannot be just dismissed as "sexism" or "ageism" (a new one for me) or anything else, because it is true, a lot of it is biological, so if your an overweight butterface, sorry, your not as attractive. and as for your second sentance, I'm was assuming we are just talking about sex.


I don't like to generalise everything but yeah, in school the egotistic buttholes got the girls, and the intelligent geeky guys didn't. As for the girls, the attractive ones had boyfriends, the intelligent, funny, caring, and independent ones didn't. Its symptomatic of our dog-eat-dog consumerist capitalist society.


Who says you can't be an alpha-male AND be intelligent? Who says you can't be an attractive girl and be intelligent, funny, caring and Indepentand???

Its not symptomatic of any culture, women look for certain biological traits, and men look for certain biological traits, its a symptom of nature.

[RGacky3]

We can all agree that beauty is subjective

Not entirely :)

[Tim Finnegan]

Honestly I never got how a regime that produced this kind of propaganda could be homophobic....
Well, not all of them were. Ernst Rohm was both openly gay and an open advocate of gay rights- albeit a hypermasculine, consciously-Spartanesque self-identification of homosexuality which deal heavily in misogyny, rather than anything much resembling the contemporary LGBTQ movement. In fact, it was the prominence of open homosexuality within the SA that was given as the public justification for their purging.

Honestly, trying to find consistent principals in Nazism is like trying to find right angles in a Jackson Pollock. Buggers pretty much made it up as they went along.


Until women stop choosing supposed "masculinity" as the prime attribute, this world is going nowhere fast. It means we're just selecting for headstrong power-mongering.
So, kiddies, what have we learned today? That male privilege is the fault of women? That all women make identical, bone-headed choices? That men play no role in sustaining traditional notions of masculinity? That queer people don't exist? Or that Mr. Revolution here needs to give these issues a teensy bit more consideration?

[danyboy27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwcwZjTouhc&feature=related

[Revolution starts with U]

Again men telling women who they should be attracted to as well as (in case of studies on the matter) who men should be attracted to.

There are so many varibles in attraction. I seriously am not sexually attracted to someone until I know something about them. I dont randomly look around and think, humm... who looks good enough to allow them to stick their dick in me. You got to have more than that to stir up any sort of sexual feelings. I think most women are that way. Its very primitive. Women subconsciously shop for who will supply the strongest gene for their children. They are just wired that way whether they realize it or not. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. Theres alot of thought process that goes into being sexually attracted to whomever, whether it be men or other women.

Who knows, I just may be a snob when it comes to who I fuck. Hell, I will own that :)

I'll admit I was saying what I think should be attractive. But I didn't mean to generalize that at women, other than as a response to your statement. Sexual selection has very large ramifications on speciation. Society will just be a hazy reflection of this; very convoluted because of culture and choice. But still the essence of one's "personality" is decided by genetics.

[Revolution starts with U]

So, kiddies, what have we learned today? That male privilege is the fault of women? That all women make identical, bone-headed choices? That men play no role in sustaining traditional notions of masculinity? That queer people don't exist? Or that Mr. Revolution here needs to give these issues a teensy bit more consideration?


See above. It has nothing to do with any of that. I'm simply making an evolutionary statment. The same holds true for anyone that is going to pass on their genes.

[Le Libérer]

I'll admit I was saying what I think should be attractive. But I didn't mean to generalize that at women, other than as a response to your statement. Sexual selection has very large ramifications on speciation. Society will just be a hazy reflection of this; very convoluted because of culture and choice. But still the essence of one's "personality" is decided by genetics.

What I am observing, and tell me if I am wrong (tho I know I'm not) that women pick men and not vise versa. That always boggled me head because historically men have perceived themselves in control of the universe. :)

[hatzel]

What I am observing, and tell me if I am wrong (tho I know I'm not) that women pick men and not vise versa. That always boggled me head because historically men have perceived themselves in control of the universe. :)

Then shouldn't you be happy that he's letting you ladies take the reins of evolution now? Or...something...? :confused:

[Revolution starts with U]

Once again, that statement was only generalized at women as a response to your statement. The same holds true for men and any other social creature that plans to pass on its gene. In that moment you decide the future of our species, weighted for how many times you do that.

[RGacky3]

What I am observing, and tell me if I am wrong (tho I know I'm not) that women pick men and not vise versa. That always boggled me head because historically men have perceived themselves in control of the universe. :)

I don't really think thats the case, (don't know any studies on it), but it seams pretty equal.

[ComradeMan]

What I am observing, and tell me if I am wrong (tho I know I'm not) that women pick men and not vise versa. That always boggled me head because historically men have perceived themselves in control of the universe. :)

The man who says he understands women has admitted to knowing nothing.....


xCFEk6Y8TmM

[Le Libérer]

Then shouldn't you be happy that he's letting you ladies take the reins of evolution now? Or...something...? :confused:
Thats the problem here. Do you see the complete paternal language you are using? Still confused?


I don't really think thats the case, (don't know any studies on it), but it seams pretty equal. Oh really? So men decide which women are going to have sex with them? :laugh:

[Viet Minh]

Absolutely, I agree, there are a lot of social factors, but the biological factors cannot be ignored, and sexual attraction cannot be just dismissed as "sexism" or "ageism" (a new one for me) or anything else, because it is true, a lot of it is biological, so if your an overweight butterface, sorry, your not as attractive. and as for your second sentance, I'm was assuming we are just talking about sex.

The biological factor is just your penis saying 'i need a vagina with which to procreate' or more basically 'i want stimulation of any sort', the thing on the end isn't a real eye you know :lol:
Biologically yes males seek out a woman who is not too old (or young) to get pregnant (say a range of 16-40) and probably within 5 years of their own age either way. It was probably unfair to say that attraction purely to 20-30 yr olds was ageist, but it could be taken as a symptom of popular culture, where generally speaking the ideals of beauty are within that range, alhtough there are exceptions, like Eva Longoria who is in her 40's I think and stilla sex symbol of sorts. In terms of the weight thing, historically larger women were seen as the mroe attarctive and feminine, still some Polynesian cultures generally find women attractive who in the west might be labelled 'overweight'.


Who says you can't be an alpha-male AND be intelligent? Who says you can't be an attractive girl and be intelligent, funny, caring and Indepentand???

Its not symptomatic of any culture, women look for certain biological traits, and men look for certain biological traits, its a symptom of nature.

To a certain extent yes of course, there are biological factors, but there are major social issues involved as well. As you said yourself if you were all fat etc women would be less inlcined to be attracted to you, some of that is biological,some is personal and some is social conditioning.


So, kiddies, what have we learned today? That male privilege is the fault of women? That all women make identical, bone-headed choices? That men play no role in sustaining traditional notions of masculinity? That queer people don't exist? Or that Mr. Revolution here needs to give these issues a teensy bit more consideration?

Hang orn he wasn't proposing some sort of eugenics program, relax! And really you're putting a lot of words in his mouth, all he said was 'masculinity', a lot of that is open to personal interpretation, I took it to mean the Hollywood chauvanistic stereotypical male role


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwcwZjTouhc&feature=related

:thumbup1:


What I am observing, and tell me if I am wrong (tho I know I'm not) that women pick men and not vise versa. That always boggled me head because historically men have perceived themselves in control of the universe. :)

In some cultures men pick women, or their families decide, now in theory its an equal choice of two consenting parties, but in reality there are still norms dictating that men approach women, not the other way around.

[RGacky3]

Oh really? So men decide which women are going to have sex with them? :laugh:

Did you read my post? Because you quoted it. I'm gonna re-post it, read it this time (especially the bolded part).

"I don't really think thats the case, (don't know any studies on it), but it seams pretty equal. "

[ComradeMan]

Did you read my post? Because you quoted it. I'm gonna re-post it, read it this time (especially the bolded part).

"I don't really think thats the case, (don't know any studies on it), but it seams pretty equal. "

Gacky are you single by any chance....?

It's always the woman who picks the man, even if she let's him think otherwise. (Excluding forced marriages etc).

[hatzel]

Thats the problem here. Do you see the complete paternal language you are using? Still confused?

I wasn't being serious. In fact, I haven't taken anything in this thread seriously and think it's a wonder that we're still 'discussing' it...ah well, you're the boss, and if you don't feel like wrapping it up and chucking it out, that's coolio! :)

[RGacky3]

The biological factor is just your penis saying 'i need a vagina with which to procreate' or more basically 'i want stimulation of any sort', the thing on the end isn't a real eye you know :lol:


Is that a serious point?


Biologically yes males seek out a woman who is not too old (or young) to get pregnant (say a range of 16-40) and probably within 5 years of their own age either way. It was probably unfair to say that attraction purely to 20-30 yr olds was ageist, but it could be taken as a symptom of popular culture, where generally speaking the ideals of beauty are within that range, alhtough there are exceptions, like Eva Longoria who is in her 40's I think and stilla sex symbol of sorts. In terms of the weight thing, historically larger women were seen as the mroe attarctive and feminine, still some Polynesian cultures generally find women attractive who in the west might be labelled 'overweight'.


after the mid 30s it becomes more and more risky for a women to have children, so that makes sense biologically.

Also the only way we have to judge peoples age (biologically) is how they look, which means we look for youthful features, and features which indicate good genes to pass along.

In terms of the weight thing there is science, and very rarely (I've never seen a case) has unhealthily overweight been attractive.

Eva Longoria is hot, because she looks younger than her age, if you really think thats not the case, tell a woman who is 40 she looks exactly her age, and gague her response, then tell another one she looks 10 years younger and gague her response.


To a certain extent yes of course, there are biological factors, but there are major social issues involved as well. As you said yourself if you were all fat etc women would be less inlcined to be attracted to you, some of that is biological,some is personal and some is social conditioning.


Absolutely, but much of it is biological, because I can go around the world and that standard is still there.

I don't know many cultures where women find feminine or weaker men attractive.

[RGacky3]

Gacky are you single by any chance....?

It's always the woman who picks the man, even if she let's him think otherwise. (Excluding forced marriages etc).

No I'm not.

And no the woman does'nt pick the man, the women chooses men that she finds attractive and then might try to attract them, the guy may or may not respond. Or she might respond to a guy persuing her, in which case the guy chose, and then she chose.

So no, the woman does'nt pick the man, nor vise versa.

[brigadista]

MA8MmmrX-6s

[ComradeMan]

No I'm not.

And no the woman does'nt pick the man, the women chooses men that she finds attractive and then might try to attract them, the guy may or may not respond. Or she might respond to a guy persuing her, in which case the guy chose, and then she chose.

So no, the woman does'nt pick the man, nor vise versa.

LOL!!! You have a lot to learn.... :thumbup1:

[RGacky3]

LOL!!! You have a lot to learn.... :thumbup1:

If your under the impression that its just the girl that picks the guy .... then aparently you have a lot to learn.

I don't know about you, but I get to pick the girls I am with.

[ComradeMan]

If your under the impression that its just the girl that picks the guy .... then aparently you have a lot to learn.

I don't know about you, but I get to pick the girls I am with.

That's what THEY want you to think..... and you've fallen for it hook and line.

Mamma mia! :laugh:

[RGacky3]

Well thats interesting because I've also turned down girls, so I'm pretty sure I'm not being brainwashed. :D

[hatzel]

...and this is what happens when half the people are having a chit-chat, and the other half are having a 'serious' discussion of human psychology...

[ComradeMan]

Well thats interesting because I've also turned down girls, so I'm pretty sure I'm not being brainwashed. :D

You never thought they were playing with you? Or the one that liked you was getting her friend to test you out? Or the girl that you turned down was actually a spy of your girlfriend? :laugh:

tgL6efSwRak

[RGacky3]

Jeez man, you have a really exaulted view of women, in your world in seams they are some sort of super villans ....

Nice music though :)

[ComradeMan]

Jeez man, you have a really exaulted view of women, in your world in seams they are some sort of super villans ....

Nice music though :)

No, I have no brothers just sister and female cousins..... ;) LOL!!!

[Lt. Ferret]

i choose my partner because i am an attractive and well-adjusted, socially affluent male.

[jinx92]

do you realize how absurd it is to say leftists are "sexier" than right wingers? to even suggest that something as political affiliation is correlated with attractiveness is insane. if you were anymore irrational, you'd be a christian fundamentalist.

[Le Libérer]

do you realize how absurd it is to say leftists are "sexier" than right wingers? to even suggest that something as political affiliation is correlated with attractiveness is insane. if you were anymore irrational, you'd be a christian fundamentalist.

So true. I am a leftist and find a certain Capitalist sexy as hell.

[Tim Finnegan]

do you realize how absurd it is to say leftists are "sexier" than right wingers? to even suggest that something as political affiliation is correlated with attractiveness is insane. if you were anymore irrational, you'd be a christian fundamentalist.
I don't know. It seems that leftism correlates with sexiness. Observe:

National Socialists:

http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_mg7D3kYysfw/RqpFyYMABqI/AAAAAAAACpk/afifS924Ims/s400/060826_nazis_hmed_8p.hmedium.jpg

UNSEXY

National Bolsheviks:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S7iVIzpIReM/TEe_jmRk6aI/AAAAAAAAAEM/IPgOmSaT9Hk/s1600/Nat+Bolsheviks8.jpg

SEXY INDEED

And that's with only a rather superficial increase in leftishness...

[Lt. Ferret]

national bolshevists are fascists.

[Rafiq]

Both are very right wing....

[Viet Minh]

national bolshevists are fascists.

National Bolshevists are National Bolshevists, Fascists are Fascists, both are far-right. Its pointless to lump two similar ideologies together as the same thing, it actually diminishes your argument, not theirs.

[Tim Finnegan]

Both are very right wing....
Ah, but the National Bolsheviks are very slightly less right-wing than the Nazis, so that proves that even a small injection of leftishness can amplify the sexy-levels tenfold! ;)

[Lt. Ferret]

i will admit national bolshevists are sexy.

edit: and Fascists come in many different stripes, Falangists, Italian Fascists, Integralists, Rexists, etc.

[Bud Struggle]

So true. I am a leftist and find a certain Capitalist sexy as hell.

And for me there is a certain Communista in a red leather jump suit and a big Soviet general hat with the buttons RESTRICT and BAN right next to her computer keyboard---hmmmm.:tt1::tt1::tt1:

[Le Libérer]

And for me there is a certain Communista in a red leather jump suit and a big Soviet general hat with the buttons RESTRICT and BAN right next to her computer keyboard---hmmmm.:tt1::tt1::tt1:

How funny. You should see my Halloween pics, in a green dress, with Commie Major Trouble on the breast pocket.

[Bud Struggle]

Sigh. Ok. I'm a Commie now. Sign me up.

I believe in the revolution.

[Le Libérer]

Sigh. Ok. I'm a Commie now. Sign me up.

I believe in the revolution.

Welcome to the tree house!

You must have received the pic haha

[Bud Struggle]

yup :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I was WRONG about Capitalsim. All these years of Gack preaching Proletarians and unions and worker stuff just bounced off. And then one picture and--NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

[ComradeMan]

yup :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I was WRONG about Capitalsim. All these years of Gack preaching Proletarians and unions and worker stuff just bounced off. And then one picture and--NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

So what are you then...? So we can get sectarian on your ass! :lol:

[Le Libérer]

yup :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I was WRONG about Capitalsim. All these years of Gack preaching Proletarians and unions and worker stuff just bounced off. And then one picture and--NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

Revolution through seduction. Hummm I think I am on to something here. ;)

[Decolonize The Left]

This thread is getting kinky....

- August

[ComradeMan]

Revolution through seduction. Hummm I think I am on to something here. ;)

It wouldn't be the first time! :lol: (Not you, revolutions etc...).

But seriously, there's nothing more unsexy than arguing about long dead autocrats- the left needs to get 21st century and "sexy".... C21 Vanguard all the way...!

[Tim Finnegan]

Revolution through seduction. Hummm I think I am on to something here. ;)
Careful now, you're risking a wave of less scrupulous comrades finding themselves suddenly overcome with doubt in the revolutionary cause, and in need of reassurance. ;)

[Le Libérer]

It wouldn't be the first time! :lol: (Not you, revolutions etc...).

But seriously, there's nothing more unsexy that arguing about long dead autocrats- the left needs to get 21st century and "sexy".... C21 Vanguard all the way...!

You obviously didnt see my pic. ;)

[ComradeMan]

You obviously didnt see my pic. ;)

Oh yes....

[Bud Struggle]

Comrade Man: she's the REAL thing.

[Rafiq]

Ah, but the National Bolsheviks are very slightly less right-wing than the Nazis, so that proves that even a small injection of leftishness can amplify the sexy-levels tenfold! ;)

Actually that's not true. At all.

[Rafiq]

You all are freaks. I hope I never get restricted

[hatzel]

Actually that's not true. At all.

Doesn't matter. We've already decided that sexy people are leftists, and natbols are sexy, therefore natbols are leftists. This is the main finding of this thread: one's position on the left-right spectrum is decided entirely by personal sexiness...

[Viet Minh]

Doesn't matter. We've already decided that sexy people are leftists, and natbols are sexy, therefore natbols are leftists. This is the main finding of this thread: one's position on the left-right spectrum is decided entirely by personal sexiness...

:thumbup1:
/Thread

[Bud Struggle]

You all are freaks. I hope I never get restricted

The Restriction process usually starts with you avatar suddenly disappearing. Just saying.:cool:

[hatzel]

The Restriction process usually starts with you avatar suddenly disappearing. Just saying.:cool:

Oooh, and CotR thanked this one...and she'd know the secret insider information, wouldn't she? SCANDAL!!! :lol:

[Revolutionair]

I demand the pix. FREEDOM OF INFORMATION, SAY NO TO PROPERTY RIGHTS!

[Rafiq]

The Restriction process usually starts with you avatar suddenly disappearing. Just saying.:cool:


Wh- But I removed it myself because I like having no avatar.

[Rafiq]

Oh Shit..... Better put an avatar

[Ele'ill]

This entire thread makes me uncomfortable.

[hatzel]

This entire thread makes me uncomfortable.

Why? Do you have bad memories of the words "hey, RevLeft! There's some hottie commie girl at school, so I'm a commie now, so she'll get with me. Look forward to learning more about stuff! So...what's this about marks you're always talking about, why do you care about marks? :confused:"?

[Le Libérer]

Mari3l, this is what happens when you mix hot commies with OIers. It can get uncomfortable indeed. So I decided to roll with it instead of being all dogmatic. Hell yeah why not lighten up on occasion, right?

[Ele'ill]

Mari3l, this is what happens when you mix hot commies with OIers. It can get uncomfortable indeed. So I decided to roll with it instead of being all dogmatic. Hell yeah why not lighten up on occasion, right?

What would this dogmatic approach have looked like?

[Le Libérer]

This thread is getting kinky....

- August

I wish you could post your pic, You are a hottie commie from what I remember of that one pic you posted.


I demand the pix. FREEDOM OF INFORMATION, SAY NO TO PROPERTY RIGHTS!

Gacky
Its pretty much universal that men prefer younger women in their 20s, and that has a biological reason, thats why younger women ... are hotter.
You wouldnt find me attractive at all according to Gacky's idea of sexy, seeing I am older.

[Le Libérer]

What would this dogmatic approach have looked like?

LOL Not participating in this thread at all?

[Ele'ill]

LOL Not participating in this thread at all?

Yeah, that wouldn't have sat well with me either.

[Ele'ill]

Edit- No, I just tried it here in this post and it still makes me feel uncomfortable.

[Tim Finnegan]

What would this dogmatic approach have looked like?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Nf5FfHNth64/TI1P3BBiJHI/AAAAAAAAKLU/yUjHDrCh_q4/s320/Karl_Marx_and_Friedrich_Engels%5B1%5D.jpg

So a bit of appeal for the mature bear-bear market, but that's pretty niche, y'know?

[Apoi_Viitor]

Just something I noticed. On average, socialists and leftists more generally tend to be much more attractive than people on the right, with very few exceptions.

Agreed (with the exception of Trotskyites).

[RGacky3]

You wouldnt find me attractive at all according to Gacky's idea of sexy, seeing I am older.

Who knows, maybe you look really attractive, I have no idea, but if you do, chances are its because you look younger than you are .... Thats my point.

[synthesis]

This entire thread makes me uncomfortable.

Physically queasy.

[Bud Struggle]

Who knows, maybe you look really attractive, I have no idea, but if you do, chances are its because you look younger than you are .... Thats my point.

Gack, you bought into Corporate America's marketing plan. A person doesn't look younger or older than their age. Telling you a person of 30 should look X and a person of 40 look Y is how they segment up the market to sell you things.

A person, ever person looks exactly their age--not a day more or a day less.

[Le Libérer]

Who knows, maybe you look really attractive, I have no idea, but if you do, chances are its because you look younger than you are .... Thats my point.

No I'm pretty sure I look my age. And if theres attractiveness there, its probably something from the inside more so than outside appearance. Dont you take in the whole picture when you are attracted to someone?

[RGacky3]

Gack, you bought into Corporate America's marketing plan. A person doesn't look younger or older than their age. Telling you a person of 30 should look X and a person of 40 look Y is how they segment up the market to sell you things.


They did'nt Sell us that, they just exploited the natural urge for people to seam sexually attractive, so women use anti-wrinkle creams (younger looking), push up bras to make their breasts perkier (younger looking), they try and get rid of body fat (which you get more of with age, and especially after having children), dying your hair (because your color fades with age) and so on.

Sagging breasts are less attractive than perky breasts, and the biological explination is its a sign of youth and fertility, and that makes scientific sense, the same goes for many other features. In men other things are considered attractive, such as a strong jaw line (a sign of strength) and so on.

Its Biology Bud.


A person, ever person looks exactly their age--not a day more or a day less.

No, not really, because you have the average wear and tear of age, then some people who've managed to avoid it, and thus look younger than the average person of their age, which is generally considered more sexually attractive.


No I'm pretty sure I look my age. And if theres attractiveness there, its probably something from the inside more so than outside appearance.

Good for you.


Dont you take in the whole picture when you are attracted to someone?

Absolutely, but we arn't talking about that, we are talking pure physical sexual attraction.

Obviously I'd be much more attracted to a nice caring woman who is less attractive than a *****y selfish woman, and I'm sure those factors also have biological reasons. But what we were talking about was not that, we were talking pure PHYSICAL attraction.

I think your missreading my point. I'm not saying older women can not be attractive, nor that physical attraction is the most important aspect of overall attraction, I'm just explaining the biological factors in physical attraction which favor certain features over others.

[Viet Minh]

They did'nt Sell us that, they just exploited the natural urge for people to seam sexually attractive, so women use anti-wrinkle creams (younger looking), push up bras to make their breasts perkier (younger looking), they try and get rid of body fat (which you get more of with age, and especially after having children), dying your hair (because your color fades with age) and so on.

Sagging breasts are less attractive than perky breasts, and the biological explination is its a sign of youth and fertility, and that makes scientific sense, the same goes for many other features. In men other things are considered attractive, such as a strong jaw line (a sign of strength) and so on.

Its Biology Bud.



No, not really, because you have the average wear and tear of age, then some people who've managed to avoid it, and thus look younger than the average person of their age, which is generally considered more sexually attractive.



Good for you.



Absolutely, but we arn't talking about that, we are talking pure physical sexual attraction.

Obviously I'd be much more attracted to a nice caring woman who is less attractive than a *****y selfish woman, and I'm sure those factors also have biological reasons. But what we were talking about was not that, we were talking pure PHYSICAL attraction.

I think your missreading my point. I'm not saying older women can not be attractive, nor that physical attraction is the most important aspect of overall attraction, I'm just explaining the biological factors in physical attraction which favor certain features over others.

Wow, I can almost hear the radical feminists collective teethgrinding! :blink:
http://amodernmilitarymother.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/579px-millie.jpg

[Le Libérer]

Wow, I can almost hear the radical feminists collective teethgrinding! :blink:


Its not just that, Gacky is working from a very limited point of view, his own. And theres studies to prove anything. I was 20 , 30, and 40 and what is attractive changes as does ones maturity. There are more people my age than there are Gackys age. And if a person my age grew and matured on a healthy age appropriate time line, then a 40 year old isnt going to want to fuck a 20 year old. THATS my point.

I think I proved it quite well by forwarding a pic of myself to Bud, in a cute little commie uniform, cleavage bulging, short skirt, holding a machine gun into the camera, with a "Up against the wall" look in my eye.

So to all who were uncomfortable with this thread. I hope you see, there was reason to my rhyme.

[Viet Minh]

Its not just that, Gacky is working from a very limited point of view, his own. And theres studies to prove anything. I was 20 , 30, and 40 and what is attractive changes as does ones maturity. There are more people my age than there are Gackys age. And if a person my age grew and matured on a healthy age appropriate time line, then a 40 year old isnt going to want to fuck a 20 year old. THATS my point.

I think I proved it quite well by forwarding a pic of myself to Bud, in a cute little commie uniform, cleavage bulging, short skirt, holding a machine gun into the camera, with a "Up against the wall" look in my eye.

So to all who were uncomfortable with this thread. I hope you see, there was reason to my rhyme.

Everyone gets a bit passionate about certain issues, I don't know Gacky but he seems to defend his arguments to the death, which is an admirable quality in a revolutionary leftist but if he asked my advice (not that anyone sensible would ask my advice!) I would say pick your battles, sometimes you can only win by walking away, or agree to disagree, and maybe even come off the bigger man (to use another misogynist cliche) . And you seemed to take the comment on peoples age personally, I won't pretend to be able to empathise with the ridiculous competition and pressure on women regarding age and beauty etc but don't sweat it, a lot of young and older guys find older women attractive, I thought I was in love with Kim Basinger when I was about 12 and she was late 40's, so yeah, aaanyway.. Everyone just relax cuz I won this thread, and also, the internet. :)

[RGacky3]

And theres studies to prove anything.

I'm sorry you don't believe in science, thats generally something us on the left take pride in.


I was 20 , 30, and 40 and what is attractive changes as does ones maturity. There are more people my age than there are Gackys age. And if a person my age grew and matured on a healthy age appropriate time line, then a 40 year old isnt going to want to fuck a 20 year old. THATS my point.


A 40 year old male would want to sleep with a 20 year old female, because youth and fertility is a biological factor in female attractiveness.

For a female a 40 year old man is just as good (as long as he can get hard) for reproduction and having healthy strong kids, so females value other things, such as strength, physically and of character. Even Pheremones, that females pick up unconsciously that help them get attracted to the best male.

This is not my point of view, I NEVER refered to my point of view, this is science. You have NO idea what I'm attracted to, or the girls I choose to be with, nor has that been any of my reference.

Your references just seams to be you and your friends, which, I'm sorry, is not science.


I think I proved it quite well by forwarding a pic of myself to Bud, in a cute little commie uniform, cleavage bulging, short skirt, holding a machine gun into the camera, with a "Up against the wall" look in my eye.


You did'nt prove shit, the fact that someone finds you attractive (congratulations) has nothing to do with anything.


I hope you see, there was reason to my rhyme.

it seams the reason to your rhyme is nothing more than personal, your a woman, slightly older, and it bothers you that the biological factors in sexual attraction favor youthful features in women, which your afraid of loosing, so it bothers you, now thats not my problem, nor is it sciences problem, your beef is with nature.

(I am not saying your not attractive, I don't know, nor do I care if you are, I'm talking about natural factors in what people find attractive, how many times do I need to say this).


Wow, I can almost hear the radical feminists collective teethgrinding! :blink:


This has nothing to do with feminism, its nature, its biology, its science, if short guys don't like that overall they are considered less physically attractive (because hight is a sign of strength) well thats fine, but it does'nt make it not true, its nature, if women getting older don't like that their loosing youthfull features will make them relatively less physically attractive, then thats their beef with nature. Nothing to do with feminism.

[Le Libérer]

I'm sorry you don't believe in science, thats generally something us on the left take pride in.



You fail when you apply some cold scientific study to lust. But go on with your bad self and good luck with all that. ;)

[RGacky3]

And you seemed to take the comment on peoples age personally, I won't pretend to be able to empathise with the ridiculous competition and pressure on women regarding age and beauty etc but don't sweat it, a lot of young and older guys find older women attractive, I thought I was in love with Kim Basinger when I was about 12 and she was late 40's, so yeah, aaanyway.. Everyone just relax cuz I won this thread, and also, the internet. :)

I'm not talking about my preferances, and the fact that younger guys sometimes find older women attractive has nothing to do with it (as there are many many factors to attraction).

I'm talking overall biological factors that influence what physical features are found physically attractive, how hard is that to understand?

I stick by my arguments because they are correct, I'll concede an arguemnt if I'm proven wrong (thats happened here on revleft, more than once). But science is science.

[RGacky3]

You fail when you apply some cold scientific study to lust. But go on with your bad self and good luck with all that. ;)

Ok, well keep thinking that sagging breasts, a thick waist, wrinkles and so on are attractive (except whatever you personally think, overall they are not)

No one applies scientific studies to personal lust, or to their own love life.

But no one here gives a shit about your personal love life (except for Bud) or my personal love life, this is not Operah or whatever, its a forum where we discuss facts.

[Viet Minh]

I'm not talking about my preferances, and the fact that younger guys sometimes find older women attractive has nothing to do with it (as there are many many factors to attraction).

I'm talking overall biological factors that influence what physical features are found physically attractive, how hard is that to understand?

I stick by my arguments because they are correct, I'll concede an arguemnt if I'm proven wrong (thats happened here on revleft, more than once). But science is science.

I might have misread you, sorry. My view is there are largely social factors to sexual attraction, I had the idea you said there were none, which I would disagree with, regardless of any scientific studies which highlight pre-conceived trends rather than laboratory condition testing, I just don't believe there is no control group outside of society and culture which can be tested for comparison; the best example I would imagine is something like technologically 'primitive' societies, or more specifically those are not subject to western media like film, tv magazines etc, for instance some tribal polynesian cultures where larger women are felt to be more attractive. But really I don't care that much anyway, maybe it is all biological, at least I have an excuse for the ratbags I am usually attracted to :D

[Le Libérer]

Ok, well keep thinking that sagging breasts, a thick waist, wrinkles and so on are attractive (except whatever you personally think, overall they are not)

No one applies scientific studies to personal lust, or to their own love life.

But no one here gives a shit about your personal love life (except for Bud) or my personal love life, this is not Operah or whatever, its a forum where we discuss facts.

Aww now, theres no need to get personal or have hurt feelings. I wasnt attacking you, as you seem a need to do to me.

Just take it for what its worth. Men of all ages find women of all ages hot.

[Bud Struggle]

I don't know Gacky but he seems to defend his arguments to the death, which is an admirable quality in a revolutionary leftist...

That quality often leads Revolutionaries into an untimely demise. :(

[Tim Finnegan]

Ok, well keep thinking that sagging breasts, a thick waist, wrinkles and so on are attractive (except whatever you personally think, overall they are not)
You know that there's an entire genre of pornography about older women, right? Human sexuality is far more complex than "quick, let's shag a teenager!"

[Bud Struggle]

I'm not talking about my preferances, and the fact that younger guys sometimes find older women attractive has nothing to do with it (as there are many many factors to attraction).

I'm talking overall biological factors that influence what physical features are found physically attractive, how hard is that to understand?

But there are entire races of women that aren't attractive according to that theory. Mexican/indian wome are for the most part short and round and not the ideal nordic beauty (you find in Norway.)

Yet there are guys that would rather that non Madison Avenue woman above anything else.

[RGacky3]

Aww now, theres no need to get personal or have hurt feelings. I wasnt attacking you, as you seem a need to do to me.

Just take it for what its worth. Men of all ages find women of all ages hot.

I did'nt mean it as a personal attack, I was pointing out that this has nothing to do with your love life or mine. And that those factors associated with age are obviously not considered attractive.


That quality often leads Revolutionaries into an untimely demise. :(

I'd say not sticking to principle is what leads revolutions to demise.


You know that there's an entire genre of pornography about older women, right? Human sexuality is far more complex than "quick, let's shag a teenager!"

Where did I say human sexuality boils down to "quick, lets shag a teenager!"? I don't think me and you were reading the same posts.

THeres also an entire genre of pornography dedicated to scat, that does'nt prove anything.

BTW, are you denying that biology plays an important role in sexual attraction? And that youthful features are attractive in women due to that (notice I said youthful features, not youth itself).


But there are entire races of women that aren't attractive according to that theory. Mexican/indian wome are for the most part short and round and not the ideal nordic beauty (you find in Norway.)

Yet there are guys that would rather that non Madison Avenue woman above anything else.

There are also guys out there that prefer muscular women that beat them, that does'nt mean its the norm,

Anyway, its not really a theory, its science, and its not really disputed either in the scientific community, unless you can show me something otherwise.

BTW, this argument of "I know a woman in her 40s that gets hit on by 20 year olds," is about as Valid as "Global warming is'nt true because its cold in the winter."

BTW, chances are that woman in her 40s has smooth skin for her age, full breasts, a good hip to waist ratio and so on.

As far as the race thing, these studies were done cross culturally.

[ComradeMan]

As far as the race thing, these studies were done cross culturally.

Could we perhaps see some evidence of your studies and such....?

[RGacky3]

It was posted back further in this thread.

[ComradeMan]

It was posted back further in this thread.

Well, do be so kind as to post some links, articles and papers to back up what you are saying.

[Thug Lessons]

Agreed (with the exception of Trotskyites).

Well what do you expect from an a tendency founded by this guy?

http://i.imgur.com/wukbW.jpg


Stalinists, on the other hand ...

http://imgur.com/To5oY.jpg

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[psgchisolm]

Well what do you expect from an a tendency founded by this guy?

http://i.imgur.com/wukbW.jpg


Stalinists, on the other hand ...

http://imgur.com/To5oY.jpg

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:laugh: I'm known as a player in my band for apparently having sex with some girls in band. It's amazing how people jump to conclusions. Never mind that one of them actually did like me. I dated another, and the other one pulled me along. Seeing as how I only dated one of them that's 1/3. But there are a lot of girls that did like me so maybe it's an inside thing.

[Omsk]

:laugh: Nice bragging try.

[psgchisolm]

:laugh: Nice bragging try.I'm actually being serious. I get glances a lot. I'm not joking about that band thing either. I do wish it were true through:(

[Thug Lessons]

I had sex with every member of psgchisolm's band, regardless of gender. Except him ahahahahahahahaha

[psgchisolm]

I had sex with every member of psgchisolm's band, regardless of gender. Except him ahahahahahahahaha
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1MWlGZT-r5s/SyPafJ5IWDI/AAAAAAAAAcg/CNRVRnuMraU/s400/fuuuuuu.jpg
Just so you know, It's a high school band. So there's about 80 + people in it not counting flags and colorguard. Jailbait?

[Revolution starts with U]

No, she was lookin at me :lol:

[Tim Finnegan]

Where did I say human sexuality boils down to "quick, lets shag a teenager!"? I don't think me and you were reading the same posts.
I'm saying that age is not a sliding scale of attractiveness, as you suggest. There are some people who are more attracted to older people than to younger people.


THeres also an entire genre of pornography dedicated to scat, that does'nt prove anything.Do you realise that you quite literally compared older women to shit? You're really not going to make any friends doing that...


BTW, are you denying that biology plays an important role in sexual attraction? And that youthful features are attractive in women due to that (notice I said youthful features, not youth itself). Attractiveness is a subjective concept . At best, you can establish a certain intersubjective average or lowest common denominator, but that doesn't constitute an objective norm. Even if you reduce it down to biology alone, which is to say, if you ignore the actual lived experience of the vast majority of humans, you still find far more variation in sexuality than you seem willing to allow. (Aside from anything else, reducing human sexuality down to pure androphilia and pure gynophilia reflects traditional gender norms, not the reality of human sexuality.)

[Thug Lessons]

Just so you know, It's a high school band. So there's about 80 + people in it not counting flags and colorguard. Jailbait?

To quote Gacky, "quick, lets shag a teenager!"

[hatzel]

To quote Gacky, "quick, lets shag a teenager!"

Just make sure it's one of the later years of...teenagehood...otherwise there will be problems with age of consent advocacy. Not something that's looked upon kindly round here! :lol:

[Che a chara]

What a mad thread :laugh: . i'm surprised this has been allowed to carry on considering that we are discussing human beings as sexual objects :lol:

anyway, sometimes either opposites attract, or sometimes they don't. Some people find those of the same culture, race more attractive than others. Others are stimulated or attracted by looks, others by personality, intelligence, someone who can offer them comfort etc, etc.

Leftists for sure might be more inclined to be more attracted to another lefty as they would not only have more in common but would probably spend more time together. But also as opposites attract, a lefty might be attracted to a good looking right-winger and be repulsed by their views but be attracted by the unknown and his/her looks.

it's fucking life and its fucking complicated and fucking mad. its what makes it exciting and intriguing.

ooh and i see Bud's on the prowl again :D COTR needs a restraining order :lol:

ps.,, MZhd8qDQ0dA
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[Le Libérer]

No one's mentioned phermones yet.

[Tim Finnegan]

What a mad thread :laugh: . i'm surprised this has been allowed to carry on considering that we are discussing human beings as sexual objects :lol:
I'm not sure that discussing attractiveness constitutes necessarily sexual objectification. That requires the extra step of erasing the subjectivity of the object of desire, which, although certainly the contemporary norm in regards to gynophilic heterosexuality, is not necessarily so, and is generally not the case in regards to other sexualities.

[Che a chara]

No one's mentioned phermones yet.

Pheromones in human terms to me would be basically defined as hormones or horniness (or gagging for it :eek: )

I just don't think there is any set of basic rules.

[Che a chara]

I'm not sure that discussing attractiveness constitutes necessarily sexual objectification. That requires the extra step of erasing the subjectivity of the object of desire, which, although certainly the contemporary norm in regards to gynophilic heterosexuality, is not necessarily so, and is generally not the case in regards to other sexualities.

Well i think it took a turn a few times through the thread....

[hatzel]

No one's mentioned phermones yet.

Pheromones?! That's getting dangerously close to a serious scientific discussion, so this thread is clearly far from the best place for it...

[Ele'ill]

Pheromones?!.

I like body odor.

[RGacky3]

No one's mentioned phermones yet.

I mentioned then in an earlier post, as another example of how biology plays an important role in sexual attraction.


Well, do be so kind as to post some links, articles and papers to back up what you are saying.

Click back to where I backed it up, don't be so lazy.


I'm saying that age is not a sliding scale of attractiveness, as you suggest. There are some people who are more attracted to older people than to younger people.


I did not suggest that, go back and read what I suggested. As for your second statement, yeah, and there are aslo people that are attracted to kids, but thats not the norm, we are talking general human attraction, meaning most people on average.


Do you realise that you quite literally compared older women to shit? You're really not going to make any friends doing that...


Thats not what I did, I was pointing out that the fact that porn exists for something does'nt undo what I said about biological factors in physical attraction.


Attractiveness is a subjective concept . At best, you can establish a certain intersubjective average or lowest common denominator, but that doesn't constitute an objective norm. Even if you reduce it down to biology alone, which is to say, if you ignore the actual lived experience of the vast majority of humans, you still find far more variation in sexuality than you seem willing to allow. (Aside from anything else, reducing human sexuality down to pure androphilia and pure gynophilia reflects traditional gender norms, not the reality of human sexuality.)

Well thats a nice statement. But if you find studies that find that the studies I posted, about cross cultural attraction to facial symmetry, 7-10-7 hip/waist ratio, and signs of youthfullness (full breasts, smooth skin and so on), then so be it, until then its just a statement.


i'm surprised this has been allowed to carry on considering that we are discussing human beings as sexual objects :lol:


Many times you have sex with someone your treating them as a sexual objevt, if you've ever had a one night stant then you've sexually objectified someone, and probably been sexually objectified

[Tim Finnegan]

I did not suggest that, go back and read what I suggested.
Well, I think I may be expressing myself wrong, but my point was that you claim youthful characteristics to contribute universally to a greater attractiveness, which is not the case.


As for your second statement, yeah, and there are aslo people that are attracted to kids, but thats not the norm, we are talking general human attraction, meaning most people on average.Ok, firstly, stop making these comparisons. You are really, really bad at them.
Secondly, don't you think it's rather unfair to dismiss somebody's preferences just because they're not in the majority- or, if we're honest, because they're not culturally dominant?


Thats not what I did, I was pointing out that the fact that porn exists for something does'nt undo what I said about biological factors in physical attraction. Well, my remark was meant with a certain irony, but, still, I think reducing any attraction to older women to a fetish is somewhat wilful.

(Anyway, why is that he happilly accept that a person may be attracted to older men, but not to older women? What is it about one gender that is able to age well, but the other that is not?)


Well thats a nice statement. But if you find studies that find that the studies I posted, about cross cultural attraction to facial symmetry, 7-10-7 hip/waist ratio, and signs of youthfullness (full breasts, smooth skin and so on), then so be it, until then its just a statement.Again, intersubjectivity is not objectivity. You can list broad general tendencies, but that doesn't render objective norms, any more than the fact that most people are straight makes that the norm.

Any true "revolutionary left" needs to acquire for itself a full body of emancipatory politics, and that includes freeing ourselves from patriarchal prescriptions of socially legitiamte sexuality.

[RGacky3]

but my point was that you claim youthful characteristics to contribute universally to a greater attractiveness, which is not the case.


That was my point, and that is the case, according to conventional wisdom and scientific studies.


Secondly, don't you think it's rather unfair to dismiss somebody's preferences just because they're not in the majority- or, if we're honest, because they're not culturally dominant?


I'm not dismissing it, I'm juts saying is not the overall view of attraction. Also I'd say its not culturally dominant (considering these studies were cross cultural) its biologically dominant.


(Anyway, why is that he happilly accept that a person may be attracted to older men, but not to older women? What is it about one gender that is able to age well, but the other that is not?)


The biological explenation is that after a certain age it becomes more and more dangrous for a woman to have children and at a certain time she is unable to have children, whereas men don't loose that ability for a while (until testosterone level start to drop).

those changes are manifest physically, which in turn are viewed as less or more attractive overall.

What attracts women physically (obviously ONLY physically) are more signs of strong genes.


Again, intersubjectivity is not objectivity. You can list broad general tendencies, but that doesn't render objective norms, any more than the fact that most people are straight makes that the norm.


I suppose thats the case, but thats juts semantics, your just arguing about the words being used.


Any true "revolutionary left" needs to acquire for itself a full body of emancipatory politics, and that includes freeing ourselves from patriarchal prescriptions of socially legitiamte sexuality.

I have no problem with any type of sexuality, I don't care who anyone is attracted too. But I also believe in science, and nature, and science and nature shows a biological aspect of attraction that effects what is generally considered attractive by most people.

[Tomhet]

WTF is this thread I am sexually attracted to physically fit girls regardless of ideology.. I guess the girlfriend is a 'liberal'..

[Tim Finnegan]

That was my point, and that is the case, according to conventional wisdom and scientific studies.
Firstly, "conventional wisdom" is, almost by definition, utter horseshit. You're an anarchist, ferchrissake, that should be obvious to you. :p
Secondly, you have yet to present any study which actually proves this. You've referenced some that you claim to have read, which, even if we accept their results, evidences no more than a general tendency by the majority to favour certain characteristics associated with youth. That simply does not constitute a universal, exclusive favouring of youth.


I'm not dismissing it, I'm juts saying is not the overall view of attraction.What do you mean by "overall view"?


Also I'd say its not culturally dominant (considering these studies were cross cultural) its biologically dominant.And you don't think that biological tendencies are exhibited through the distorting lens of dominant culture? We're not monkeys, after all.


The biological explenation is that after a certain age it becomes more and more dangrous for a woman to have children and at a certain time she is unable to have children, whereas men don't loose that ability for a while (until testosterone level start to drop).

those changes are manifest physically, which in turn are viewed as less or more attractive overall.

What attracts women physically (obviously ONLY physically) are more signs of strong genes. That's bog-standard pop-evopysch. Imposition of contemporary cultural norms backwards onto our evolutionary ancestors, without any empirical grounding. Human sexuality cannot be reduced to "men trying to get things pregnant".


I suppose thats the case, but thats juts semantics, your just arguing about the words being used.Intersubjectivity and objectivity are entirely distinct concepts. The distinction is hardly mere semantics.


I have no problem with any type of sexuality, I don't care who anyone is attracted too. But I also believe in science, and nature, and science and nature shows a biological aspect of attraction that effects what is generally considered attractive by most people.Convenient, then, that your "science" lines up entirely with traditional patriarchal norms... :p