Statement by the International Network for Inclusive Democracy on Libya

[Delenda Carthago]

Statement by the International Network for Inclusive Democracy on Libya (http://inclusivedemocracy.org/2011.02.23__statement-on-libya.htm)

The criminal transnational elite, with the help of the Zionist elite, seems to be preparing for a new crime after Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan. This time it is Libya. The pretext is the same as in Yugoslavia and Iraq: to “save” the people of Libya from its dictator, as they “saved” the peoples of Yugoslavia and Iraq before by destroying relatively prosperous countries and their peoples. The real aim is also the same: to fully integrate what they consider “rogue” regimes (i.e. regimes not fully controlled by the transnational and Zionist elites). In the cases of Iraq and Libya there is an additional important aim pursued by the transnational elite: to grab their oil for the benefit of the multinational corporations, as they did with the Iraqi oil and are preparing to do soon with the Iranian oil.

The International Network for Inclusive Democracy strongly condemns any military adventure by NATO or members of the transnational elite against the people of Libya and will fight with all the peoples of the world against any such attack. It is for the people of Libya itself to decide and fight for the sort of regime they like to have and no foreign power, particularly the criminal transnational and the Zionist elites, have any right to intervene.

THE PEOPLES IN LIBYA, TUNISIA, EGYPT, IRAN, BAHRAIN, YEMEN, JORDAN AND ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD SHOULD BE LEFT FREE TO DETERMINE THEIR OWN FUTURE WITH NO INTERFERENCE BY THE CRIMINAL TRANSNATIONAL AND ZIONIST ELITES.


http://inclusivedemocracy.org/2011.02.23__statement-on-libya.htm

[Omsk]

Freedom to Libya!The imperialist's are trying to expand their sphere of influence and territory even further!Damnit,i hoped this would not happen.:(

[Artemis3]

The revolution is in danger because of foreign intervention. Any "aids" will mean imposing an agenda to the rebels. This is unacceptable.

Where are the sanctions, no fly zones, and outright invasion against Israel when they keep massacring civilians in Gaza?

[antisys]

Statement by the International Network for Inclusive Democracy on the Arab revolts in connection with Libya

[1]. The International Network of Inclusive Democracy salutes the popular revolts that have shaken the Arab world against the client regimes of the transnational and Zionist elites, which for decades have slaughtered, tortured, and robbed their peoples for the sake of the foreign and local elites. At the beginning, the tyrannical regimes attempted to crush the huge crowds of protesters in Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen and elsewhere, with hundreds of confirmed dead in Tunisia and Egypt and many others just disappearing.

[2]. All this time, the transnational elite did not make the slightest move to support the revolts until it had well organised the transition to successor regimes and only when, with the support of the Tunisian and Egyptian armies which it controls, it had made sure that it could deceive the Tunisian and Egyptian peoples by imposing some sort of client regimes with a “democratic” cover (a kind of “parliamentary junta” like the one governing Greece) it gave the green light to the military to proceed with the replacement of the brutal dictators. In all other cases (Bahrain, Yemen, Jordan, etc.) where this is more difficult, the savage repression continues unabated.

[3]. It is up to the Arab peoples to overcome the successor client regimes and to convert the present revolts into real liberating revolutions, beyond the globalised market economy and parliamentary “democracy”, and most of all beyond the dependence on the transnational and Zionist elites who are ravaging the region to exploit its energy wealth ― necessary for the survival of the capitalist growth economy.

[4]. Despite the deliberate systematic confusion created by the world media controlled by the transnational elite, the events in Libya have no connection with the above popular revolts, for the following reasons:


(a) Firstly, because as it became evident from the beginning, the transnational and Zionist elites moved heaven and earth, through the world media they control, to create the impression that the Libyan case is also about a conflict of “the people” with a dictator of the type of Mubarak, etc., thus creating the conditions for direct military intervention, which they are already starting now by laying out plans to ban Libyan airplanes to fly over their country. In this way, they give themselves the right to shoot them down without any prior decision of the UN Security Council about it!

(b) However, it is evident that the Libyan case is not about a conflict of “the people” with a hated dictator, but a civil war where, on the one side, there is an alliance of Islamists (of the reactionary Saudi Arabia kind rather than that of the Iranian national liberation kind), tribes opposing the tribe of Gaddafi and those of his allies, and sections of the army that rebelled and sided with them, while, on the other side, it is the people’s militias and the part of the population who support the regime, as well as the remaining army units. No wonder that a key demand of the tribes in western Libya is “the oil to the West” (i.e. western Libya), whereas the Gaddafi regime had established the equal distribution of oil revenues among all Libyans regardless of race, residence, etc. This is how the literacy rate rose from 17% when Gaddafi took power (aiming at creating a national liberation movement similar to Nasser’s in Egypt) to 88% today, and Libya has one of the lowest poverty rates in Africa, while the client regimes (Egypt and Tunisia, etc.) are known for their huge inequalities.

(c) So, if the conflict in Libya is about a civil war and not, as it is distorted by the media of the transnational elite, a “popular uprising against the tyrant,” then it is not surprising that, as in every civil war in History, crimes are committed by both sides. Typical of the deception of the world public opinion is the huge lie of the transnational elite stooge, the secretary general of the UN Ban Ki-moon, which has been reproduced by all world media, according to which unarmed demonstrators were bombed by Libyan military planes. This, at the very moment that the UN under secretary himself explicitly denied it in a press conference, and when the only confirmed air strikes were against the ammunition depots, etc. of rebellious military units! The same fact has just been also confirmed by Russian satellites which conclusively showed that no bombardment of civilians (let alone demonstrators!) by Gaddafi’s airplanes did ever occur. Yet, the transnational elite, with the encouragement of various NGOs for civil rights, etc., impose today the most severe sanctions against the Libyan regime, having already begun indirect military actions against it for crimes against humanity which have not yet even been examined by international investigation, while in all these years did not ever consider imposing similar sanctions for multiple and certified crimes against humanity by the Zionist Israeli regime and the US regime!

(d) All this does not, of course, mean that the Gaddafi regime is an ideal regime, as there is also no ideal regime of Iran. However, putting in the same bag regimes that play a national liberation role to protect their national wealth and client regimes that sell off their national wealth to the transnational elite, is the same thing with putting in the same bag the Zionist slaughterers in Palestine with the Palestinian national liberation movement, (although, of course, this does not mean that a national liberation struggle carried out by a popular movement is of the same nature with that of a state). And that is exactly what the “Left” does today (i.e. the reformist state-socialist or libertarian left), along with the international and local media and the transnational, the Zionist, and the local elites.

[Dimentio]

What is the "Zionist Elite".

I could understand opposition against "National Zionism", but "International Zionism" is very close to legitimising any theories about ZOG.

[antisys]

Zionism is a de facto aggressive nationalism of the worst kind, there is no sense of speaking about "national zionism" as a bad thing, if you don' t condemn Zionism per se as a horrific racist ideology. (v. the origins of Political Zionism). In the Inclusive Democracy journal at www/inclusivedemocracy/org/journal there are many articles which explain what Zionism is and what Zionists do (apart from plenty of well known Jews who have disowned Zionism themselves, as Ilan Pappe and others). The statement is not speaking of "international Zionism" although this is pretty much documented, even by "progressive" Zionists like Chomsky (as regards their intertweaving with the transnational elite and their huge influence on the international media etc.).

What is ZOG by the way?

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Zionism might suck for Palestinians, but its conspiracy theorizing of the worst kind to blame all of the world's problems on zionist conspiracies. That stinks of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. To think that "Zionists" are inherently worse than any other nationalist bourgeois is, antisemitic and reductionist too. Arab and Turkish nationalism sucks for the Kurds just as much as Zionism sucks for its victims. The Palestinians, Egyptians and Lebanese have a right to complain about the practical effects of Zionism on their life, but this article is just rabid conspiracy theorizing.

[antisys]

Political Zionism has nothing to do with "conspiracy theory" and the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and other nonsense. It is a very well documented racist extremely nationalistic current analyzed first of all by prominent Jews of the diaspora and other intellects worldwide, and its crimes are well documented and continuing. Of course you know that by identifying antisemitism with antizionism, you are just copying the most well-achieved Zionist mass propaganda.

And Zionist nationalism is not just "another nationalism" as you would like to believe, but it is the sort of unprecedented nationalism that Jews should return to the "Land that their God gave to them" from all over the world, even if they had quit Palestine (which was full of Arabs of course - that' s the case of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine) for thousands of years! So, as I stressed, all this has been pretty much analyzed by radical Marxist and libertarian theorists, not of course of the "reformist" sort with which the "Left" so-called "alternative" media is replete.

I would urge you, bona fide, to learn more about this significant matter ( the sources to which I prompted you could be valuable), which is deeply historical, political and socioeconomical and not...conspiracy-ologistic.

[pugachev]

The statement does not blame all the world's problems to zionist "conspiracies" as you misleadingly suggest. It ascribes the geopolitical and class problems of a specific region, the wider Middle East, to the dominant military and strategic force in that region which is the Zionist and racist state of Israel, which through its power, is able to determine the general parameters of political, strategic and economic development of the nations in this area. Israel is the bulldog of the transnational elite, safeguarding its interests and reproducing the supremacy of the class hierarchy of the internationalized free-market system over the subject Arab nations through its wars of military aggression. It is a valuable strategic asset for the West and as such its adherents in Israel and in the prozionist Jewish diaspora have gained prominent positions and political influence and constitute an integral part of the transnational elite. Zionism as a movement is not confined within the boundaries of Israel, but it is an movement with an international dimension. In fact, the most fervent zionists who make up the bulk of the fanatical racist settlers expelling Palestinians from their villages in order to built their comfortable homes in the illegal settlements usually come from abroad, from well-off jewish neighbourhoods in the US, which in fact now constitutes the main source of immigration and influx of zionists, who are even more fanatical than the zionist currents in Israel. Furthermore, Zionism is not just another borgeios nationalist ideology, since it identifies nationalism with the conquest of land and the extermination of the Palestinians who happen to inhabit this land. It is racist as it presupposes ethinc cleansing and even genocide as a precondition for its sucess to establish a purely Jewish state and as such, it can only be compared with nazi ideology, which of course was not just another bourgeois nationalist ideology.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

And Zionist nationalism is not just "another nationalism" as you would like to believe, but it is the sort of unprecedented nationalism that Jews should return to the "Land that their God gave to them" from all over the world, even if they had quit Palestine (which was full of Arabs of course - that' s the case of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine) for thousands of years...


Furthermore, Zionism is not just another borgeios nationalist ideology, since it identifies nationalism with the conquest of land and the extermination of the Palestinians who happen to inhabit this land. It is racist as it presupposes ethinc cleansing and even genocide as a precondition for its sucess to establish a purely Jewish state and as such, it can only be compared with nazi ideology, which of course was not just another bourgeois nationalist ideology. Hindu nationalists claim Kashmir because it used to be majority Hindu and was ethnically cleaned of Hindus and forcefully converted

China claims Tibet because Tibet was a part of China according to ancient Imperial claims

America claims land beyond the 13 states because God inspired America with Manifest Destiny

Russia dominates the Caucus Mountains and Siberia due to Russian Chauvinism

Turkey dominates the Kurds for what reason nobody knows

Spain refuses to give independence to the Basques or Catalans

Iran dominates a large number of minority groups, from Kurds to others, due to Persian nationalism

And so on. Really, the only difference is that there's a religious component, IE instead of taking any old land, the Zionists are looking to take particular land. The idea that Zionism is worse or less justified than other types of nationalism doesn't seem to be well argued for. Were there Palestinians when the Jews created the Israeli state? Yes. Were there Native Americans, or Chechens, or Tibetans, or Kashmiris when these various other bourgeois or "socialist" (in the case of China) states any less "indigenous" than the Palestinians were in 1940? And it's not like there weren't a ton of Arab Jews (who themselves were often facing persecution in places like Iraq or Yemen).

Do Zionists lobby foreign nations in defense of their nationalist interest? Of course. But so do these other nations. Turkey interfered with Iraqi policy regarding Kurds, and were obviously lobbying to change US policy during the Iraq war to defend their national interests. And China is infamous for its petulance every time someone hosts a visit by the Dalai Lama.

As for ethnic cleansing ... 20% of Israel is Arab Muslim. Are there Zionists who want to ethnically cleanse Israel? Yes, but I don't think all Zionists want to ethnically cleanse Israel, any more than all Turkish nationalists want to ethnically cleanse the Kurds. Many white American nationalists wanted to send blacks back to Africa once the slaves were freed, but that never happened because it was not a view universally held by all white American nationalists. Of course, ethnic cleansing is the logical conclusion of Zionism taken to its extreme, but this is true of all nationalism.

Anyway, I'm not pro-Zionist or anything, and I certainly find it believable that pro-Zionist institutions use their substantial connections to the US and other states to influence policy far more adeptly than other nationalist movements. I certainly buy the arguments presented by Mearsheimer and Walt on the influence of Zionism in America. But the idea that most of the Middle East's problems stem from one cause seems to me to be awfully naive, as well as the view that Zionism is inherently worse than other kinds of nationalism because only a few Jews lived in the area before the state was founded. It would certainly be nice to see more solid evidence that it is they who are the primary movers or interests behind Western intervention in Libya. It's not a criticism of Zionism that I find anti-Semitic, but in specific the inflation of Zionism into some larger-than-life homogeneous movement (and i don't mean this in an accusatory way, I'm more trying to say it's a subconscious position)

[pugachev]

Excuse me Shiva, but your arguments in trying to describe Zionism as just another nationalist ideology are entirely misleading.
Firstly, the example of Russia in Chechnya and China in Tibet, etc is neither here nor there, since you are referring to conflicts where imperalist states attempt to impose a military occupation on bordering territory. The aim in both cases is the military subjection and annexation of territory and of local populations, not the extermination or the forced expulsion of the people already inhabiting the subjugated areas. This is in stark contrast to Zionism, whose declared objective is the evacuation of Palestine from the Arabs and its colonization by foreign Jewish settlers, so as to consolidate their ethnically "clean" Jewish state.
Second, Chechens might eventually succeed in kicking Russians out of their land and sending them back to mainland Russia, while this is not an option for the Palestinian resistance. This is because the Israeli state itself is a product of ethnic cleansing and systematic colonization and occupation of foreign territory, having been created by millions of Jewish settlers who were transported in Palestine from far away lands to found a Jewish state on an area previously inhabited by an overwhelming Arab majority. This Arab majority was eliminated through intense Jewish colonization, expropriation of Palestinian lands by war, physical extermination and forced expulsion. So ethnic cleansing was a precondition for the founding of the purely Jewish state of Israel. It could not have come to pass without the evacuation of Palestine from its Arab population and it is this need to preserve the artificial Jewish majority and to prevent Arabs from returning, that is the main reason for the introduction of the body of harsh racial laws that we call the Israeli Apartheid which has institutionalized racial discrimination against the 20% of Arab Muslims living in Israel.
In other words, the founding act of Israel was the mass murder of Palestinians, something that is also true of the origins of the US and the fate of its native Indian population (in fact, I think the zionists found inspiration in the way that early US white settlers eventually got rid of indigenous Indians).
Thirdly, the only way for Israel to ensure that it will continue to exist as a purely Jewish state is to endorse the apartheid, to continue denying the right of return of Palestinian refugees and their descendants living in Lebanon, Jordan, etc and to engage in incessant colonization activities. I know not of one political party in Israel who does not subscribe to these fundamental aims for the preservation of the Jewish state. And if such a party did exist, you can be sure that it would have been outlawed in Israel as engaging in treacherous and unpatriotic activity! The overwhelming majority of the population in Israel is indeed passionately committed to Zionism since they do not question the necessity of the ethnically pure Jewish state, which is at the root of all evil in the region, but instead they defend it. The popularity of Zionist youth movements is on the rise and political opinion inside Israel is becoming increasingly reactionary, as is proven by the appointment of Lieberman, an ultra-racist, nationalist thug who advocated the final resolution of the Palestinian conflict through the bombing of Arabs with small atomic weapons, as minister of foreign affairs!
Lastly, the control of the Israeli lobby over US foreign policy is well-documented and is proven again and again by the stubborn vetos of the US in the UN Security Council, whenever Israeli crimes against humanity are brought up for discussion. This unconditional loyalty and obedience to Israel shows something more than mere "influence". But you don't have to take my word for it. You may visit the sites of American-jewish organizations such as AIPAC, who boast about their ability to bend US policy to whichever way they want, advertizing the efficacy of their services to potential clients. Israel is the key strategic asset of the US in the region of the Middle East and it is only natural for the US to create strategic conditions that will safeguard the security of their "asset". Hence, the prozionist dictatorships in Tunisia, Egypt, who were recently overthrown by the popular rebellions in these two countries.

[pugachev]

Excuse me Shiva, but your arguments in trying to describe Zionism as just another nationalist ideology are entirely misleading.
Firstly, the example of Russia in Chechnya and China in Tibet, etc is neither here nor there, since you are referring to conflicts where imperalist states attempt to impose a military occupation on bordering territory. The aim in both cases is the military subjection and annexation of territory and of local populations, not the extermination or the forced expulsion of the people already inhabiting the subjugated areas. This is in stark contrast to Zionism, whose declared objective is the evacuation of Palestine from the Arabs and its colonization by foreign Jewish settlers, so as to consolidate their ethnically "clean" Jewish state.
Second, Chechens might eventually succeed in kicking Russians out of their land and sending them back to mainland Russia, while this is not an option for the Palestinian resistance. This is because the Israeli state itself is a product of ethnic cleansing and systematic colonization and occupation of foreign territory, having been created by millions of Jewish settlers who were transported in Palestine from far away lands to found a Jewish state on an area previously inhabited by an overwhelming Arab majority. This Arab majority was eliminated through intense Jewish colonization, expropriation of Palestinian lands by war, physical extermination and forced expulsion. So ethnic cleansing was a precondition for the founding of the purely Jewish state of Israel. It could not have come to pass without the evacuation of Palestine from its Arab population and it is this need to preserve the artificial Jewish majority and to prevent Arabs from returning, that is the main reason for the introduction of the body of harsh racial laws that we call the Israeli Apartheid which has institutionalized racial discrimination against the 20% of Arab Muslims living in Israel.
In other words, the founding act of Israel was the mass murder of Palestinians, something that is also true of the origins of the US and the fate of its native Indian population (in fact, I think the zionists found inspiration in the way that early US white settlers eventually got rid of indigenous Indians).
Thirdly, the only way for Israel to ensure that it will continue to exist as a purely Jewish state is to endorse the apartheid, to continue denying the right of return of Palestinian refugees and their descendants living in Lebanon, Jordan, etc and to engage in incessant colonization activities. I know not of one political party in Israel who does not subscribe to these fundamental aims for the preservation of the Jewish state. And if such a party did exist, you can be sure that it would have been outlawed in Israel as engaging in treacherous and unpatriotic activity! The overwhelming majority of the population in Israel is indeed passionately committed to Zionism since they do not question the necessity of the ethnically pure Jewish state, which is at the root of all evil in the region, but instead they defend it. The popularity of Zionist youth movements is on the rise and political opinion inside Israel is becoming increasingly reactionary, as is proven by the appointment of Lieberman, an ultra-racist, nationalist thug who advocated the final resolution of the Palestinian conflict through the bombing of Arabs with small atomic weapons, as minister of foreign affairs!
Lastly, the control of the Israeli lobby over US foreign policy is well-documented and is proven again and again by the stubborn vetos of the US in the UN Security Council, whenever Israeli crimes against humanity are brought up for discussion. This unconditional loyalty and obedience to Israel shows something more than mere "influence". But you don't have to take my word for it. You may visit the sites of American-jewish organizations such as AIPAC, who boast about their ability to bend US policy to whichever way they want, advertizing the efficacy of their services to potential clients. Israel is the key strategic asset of the US in the region of the Middle East and it is only natural for the US to create strategic conditions that will safeguard the security of their "asset". Hence, the prozionist dictatorships in Tunisia, Egypt, who were recently overthrown by the popular rebellions in these two countries.