Measures to combat the upsurge of extremism in europe

[Delenda Carthago]

CONSUL OF EUROPE 5/10/2010
MEASURES TO COMBAT THE UPSURGE OF EXTREMISM IN EUROPE
The Assembly today expressed its concern at the upsurge of certain forms of extremism in Europe, particularly racism and xenophobia, "in the light of the rise of the electoral support of parties" inspired by these ideas. To counter this trend, and in line with the proposals by the rapporteur (Pedro Agramunt, Spain, EPP/CD), parliamentarians called on European governments to devise clear and sustainable immigration policies "accompanied by appropriate integration policies", to work out an international legal mechanism to put an end to "all forms of financial support to extremist groups", and to enforce the penalties provided for under their legislation against public incitement to violence, racial discrimination and intolerance, including Islamophobia.

Communist Party MP Liana Kanneli speaks on it on TV
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[RadioRaheem84]

Do Commies count as extremists?

[Delenda Carthago]

Do Commies count as extremists?
According to the EU counsil, even the Greens are extremists.

[Tommy4ever]

Do Commies count as extremists?

Yes.

[Queercommie Girl]

Actually the suppression of right-wing extremism is a good thing. Fascism and white supremacy need to be completely eradicated.

Suppression of left-wing "extremism" though, obviously isn't. But I will never in any way ally with right-wingers to attack the "status quo".

[GPDP]

Actually the suppression of right-wing extremism is a good thing. Fascism and white supremacy need to be completely eradicated.

While this is indeed true, we shouldn't be too gung-ho about it when the ones calling for such a crackdown are the bourgeoisie themselves. Remember, any powers the state feels necessary to imbue upon itself to repress the far right will likely be used to repress the left as well.

[Queercommie Girl]

While this is indeed true, we shouldn't be too gung-ho about it when the ones calling for such a crackdown are the bourgeoisie themselves. Remember, any powers the state feels necessary to imbue upon itself to repress the far right will likely be used to repress the left as well.

Nevertheless, I must re-iterate again, I am a very firm anti-fascist, and will refuse to ally with the extreme right-wing against the status quo under any circumstances.

Part of the reason is obviously because I am ethnic Chinese. A white European worker might feel less threatened when considering the possibility of forming a tactical alliance with the far-right against the mainstream bourgeois state, but for me, fascism is not just reactionary in an abstract sense, it is literally threatening at a very personal level.

As Historical Materialism teaches us, ideological opinions are underpinned by socio-economic conditions, and this is true also on a personal individualistic level. I am Chinese, an ethnic minority living in Europe, a fact I cannot change (nor wish to change even if I could), and this no doubt has an effect on my political ideology that can never be negated. I will never be able to view the world in exactly the same way as a white European worker, even if we have exactly the same kind of socialist and Marxist ideology.

Race does matter.

[GPDP]

I know your pain for the most part, seeing as I'm an undocumented Mexican living in the States during a big wave of xenophobia and racism. However, I too must reiterate: while seeing fascists getting smashed is good and all, I don't think it is appropriate for us to call on the capitalist state to attain the necessary powers to do so. If they do so anyway and use it to smash the reactionary right, then cool. But the risk is there that they will turn around and use it on us.

I know what you are saying, though. I will never shed a tear for the odd fascist getting owned by the cops.

[Delenda Carthago]

Actually the suppression of right-wing extremism is a good thing. Fascism and white supremacy need to be completely eradicated.

Suppression of left-wing "extremism" though, obviously isn't. But I will never in any way ally with right-wingers to attack the "status quo".


Ask the German comrades about the "antinazi" laws and how they use them to attack the antifascists too...

[Queercommie Girl]

Ask the German comrades about the "antinazi" laws and how they use them to attack the antifascists too...

I do not deny your point, but personally I have interests other than just "pure working class interests", because I am ethnic Chinese and not white. Fascism is a personal threat for me. The influence this has on my ideological outlook cannot be avoided.

I would have more sympathy for your views if the revolutionary left actually form squads to directly attack the fascists with violence. This way we don't need the state police to deal with them. We can liquidate them directly.

I cannot ally with the far-right against the bourgeois state, because that's like drop a stone on my own foot.

[RadioRaheem84]

God, do I hate it when the bourgoise create the enemies of the state list and define what it acceptable and what is not. Apparently, now left wing of any sort from Green to Soc Dem is too much for them.

I especially hate the European variety which is much more serious about defaming leftists. Here in the States, leftists are a cartoon image of what they really are so we can expect people in the media to just not take them seriously, but in Europe it seems like they really want to discredit leftist ideals and actively pursue leftists to grill on TV, like the David Harvey, Chomsky, Zizek interviews and such.

Just the smug, British liberal television personas that feel so vindicated by liberal democracy piss me off when they grill people like David Harvey on their Marxist beliefs, as if liberal democracy has no stain on it's record and therefore he is the extremist and not the UK political administrations.

End rant.

[Obs]

God, do I hate it when the bourgoise create the enemies of the state list and define what it acceptable and what is not. Apparently, now left wing of any sort from Green to Soc Dem is too much for them.

I especially hate the European variety which is much more serious about defaming leftists. Here in the States, leftists are a cartoon image of what they really are so we can expect people in the media to just not take them seriously, but in Europe it seems like they really want to discredit leftist ideals and actively pursue leftists to grill on TV, like the David Harvey, Chomsky, Zizek interviews and such.

Just the smug, British liberal television personas that feel so vindicated by liberal democracy piss me off when they grill people like David Harvey on their Marxist beliefs, as if liberal democracy has no stain on it's record and therefore he is the extremist and not the UK political administrations.

End rant.
That partly has to do with the fact that the European bourgeoisie was this close to being crushed by the working class once, and they sure aren't gonna try that again. They might not be so lucky next time around.