Hitler: Rise Of Evil

[Desert Fox]

Has anyone seen the tv serie, hitler : rise of evil. I have only watched the first episode, I like it. Gives a more human side to hitler. And you see he is human, like us ;)

[Babylon5 Crusade]

You need to watch Part II. Hitler was an evil bastard.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 10 2003, 05:22 PM
You need to watch Part II. Hitler was an evil bastard.
For his foes yes, but for his own people no. Only when he send his men to russia but for the rest he was fairly good for his own men ...

[Bianconero]

Your point, 'Desert Fox' ? Hitler sure was 'human', so what? I guess you're 'human' too, yet you are still a misguided idiot.

[Bianconero]

For his 'own people', eh? You should really do some research on the topic. That statement just made you look pretty pathetic. Nevermind.

[Rastafari]

towards the end of the war, Hitler tried to stop his OWN PEOPLE.

Shut up Desertfox, or, as we would call you (and rightly so), *nazi trash*

[Loknar]

I watched it a while ago, something like 6 months perhaps. It was a great series. It even went into Hitler’s bravery on the front during WW1, I expected a completely bias program.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 06:41 PM
towards the end of the war, Hitler tried to stop his OWN PEOPLE.

Shut up Desertfox, or, as we would call you (and rightly so), *nazi trash*
It is not because I don't think Hitler was a monster. That I am agreeïng with everything he said and done. He has helped his own people alot. That was for the war, in the first part of the war he made some good calls. But when he declared war to russia, he made his biggest mistake. And offcourse his own people wanted to stop him, since he was misguided. Dumb bastard, if rommel had been in control of all military operations germany would have won the war.

But I was going off topic, BC please don't double post ;)

[Nobody]

I am thankful that Hilter though he was a gensius, because Rommel would have won the war. So yes Desert Cub in that respect you are right. Everything else is bullshit. Go to Stormfront.com, your "people" are there.

[Sabocat]

He has helped his own people alot.

Yeah, all of the native German Jews were grateful for everything he did for them.

Oh, I'm sorry....when you said his "own people" you meant white aryans. I'm sorry.

Thanks for showing us all your true colours.

[suffianr]

Didn't Hitler indirectly execute Rommel? (even though Rommel wanted to indirectly execute Hitler)

Regardless, Rommel could not have won the war. He would have tried to negotiate an armistice, but in the dire straits of 1944, in no way could he have won the war. The war was over for the Germans the moment the Allies landed in Normandy.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 10 2003, 05:22 PM
You need to watch Part II. Hitler was an evil bastard.
Prolly the only thing i WILL EVER agree with you on.

Desert Fox, you Nazi fuck, fuck off! I bet you liked Hitler huh? You never lived under his rule u fuckface
HItler is human! lol! What a bunch of shit, yah, he was really nice to his own ppl who WERE JEWS, Jews were German citizens too, or wait, theyre not ppl right??


YOu FUCKING NAZI, i swear, if i see you on the streets, i will fuck you up

go away to ejaculating to your poster of HItler

[(*]

Yeah, Hitler was evil, but was he always like that?

Of course he had a "human" side. I really don't believe that someone (even Hitler) could be pure evil.


This is in no way an endorsement of Hitler!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Not only was he a murderous tyrant to his own jewish people, but also to German communists, gypsies, blacks, gays, and non-christians were also brutaly suppressed. Even "his" "aryan" people were not dignified with any sort of democracy or political power. Not to mention the fact that the german working class were still under imense class oppression. Hitler may very well have been pure evil, i would not doubt it. I cannot think of a single good thing he did for Germany. His only positive trait was that he was a good military strategist, but this caused nothing but harm. He was a racist, he was totalitarian, he was a murderer, he was a lier, he was a capitalist, he was a sexist, he was a anti-semitist, the list could go on forever.

[synthesis]

I think that Hitler was better in a materialist sense for the indigenous German population (the "Teutons") than the Weimar Republic was. To be sure, he solved inflation and unemployment, but his totalitarianism and genocidal idiocy was inexcusable.

Aside fro

[CubanFox]

That series was very well done, though I think Robert Carlyle's a bit skinny to be Hitler. Anyway, it showed us what a total lunatic Hitler was.

[suffianr]

This:

It is not because I don't think Hitler was a monster. That I am agreeïng with everything he said and done.

+ this:

And offcourse his own people wanted to stop him, since he was misguided. Dumb bastard, if rommel had been in control of all military operations germany would have won the war.

= contradiction, Herr Desert Fox.

You are a confused little boy, aren't you?

[Loknar]

I wonder if the director was Jewish.

[Desert Fox]

I am thankful that Hilter though he was a gensius, because Rommel would have won the war. So yes Desert Cub in that respect you are right. Everything else is bullshit. Go to Stormfront.com, your "people" are there.

I agree with you Rommel would have won the war, I am not pro nor anti the german ideals of then. You have to watch everything in a grey context not in black or white ;)


Yeah, all of the native German Jews were grateful for everything he did for them.

Oh, I'm sorry....when you said his "own people" you meant white aryans. I'm sorry.

Thanks for showing us all your true colours.

You can think what you want of me, I don't really care. But yes I meant with his people white aryans since he did do much for them, before the war that is


Didn't Hitler indirectly execute Rommel? (even though Rommel wanted to indirectly execute Hitler)

Regardless, Rommel could not have won the war. He would have tried to negotiate an armistice, but in the dire straits of 1944, in no way could he have won the war. The war was over for the Germans the moment the Allies landed in Normandy.

Prolly the only thing i WILL EVER agree with you on.

Yes, you are right on the first part. Rommel had to take a drug that would kill him, in order to save his family. A unworthy dead for a great general that was not even a part of the nazi party. The war was over when the Germans invaded Russia. One of the biggest blunders in history


Desert Fox, you Nazi fuck, fuck off! I bet you liked Hitler huh? You never lived under his rule u fuckface
HItler is human! lol! What a bunch of shit, yah, he was really nice to his own ppl who WERE JEWS, Jews were German citizens too, or wait, theyre not ppl right??


YOu FUCKING NAZI, i swear, if i see you on the streets, i will fuck you up

go away to ejaculating to your poster of Hitler

Well if you want to attack me in what way, to it with words in a debate. Senseless violence is a way of the past, and I do not support nor hate the nazi party. I don't even have a poster of hitler, nor of anyone really. My room is kinda dark :(


Yeah, Hitler was evil, but was he always like that?

Of course he had a "human" side. I really don't believe that someone (even Hitler) could be pure evil.


This is in no way an endorsement of Hitler!

Just read the post lower of your's


Not only was he a murderous tyrant to his own jewish people, but also to German communists, gypsies, blacks, gays, and non-christians were also brutaly suppressed. Even "his" "aryan" people were not dignified with any sort of democracy or political power. Not to mention the fact that the german working class were still under imense class oppression. Hitler may very well have been pure evil, i would not doubt it. I cannot think of a single good thing he did for Germany. His only positive trait was that he was a good military strategist, but this caused nothing but harm. He was a racist, he was totalitarian, he was a murderer, he was a lier, he was a capitalist, he was a sexist, he was a anti-semitist, the list could go on forever.

I have to disagree with you about the strategy part, he was a moron when it came to strategy, his own generals hated it when he came to check the battle plans because he didn't know the way of the battlefield


I think that Hitler was better in a materialist sense for the indigenous German population (the "Teutons") than the Weimar Republic was. To be sure, he solved inflation and unemployment, but his totalitarianism and genocidal idiocy was inexcusable.

Yes, he has done good stuff too


That series was very well done, though I think Robert Carlyle's a bit skinny to be Hitler. Anyway, it showed us what a total lunatic Hitler was.

The only difference between brilliance and madness is succes


This:

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It is not because I don't think Hitler was a monster. That I am agreeïng with everything he said and done.


+ this:

QUOTE
And offcourse his own people wanted to stop him, since he was misguided. Dumb bastard, if rommel had been in control of all military operations germany would have won the war.


= contradiction, Herr Desert Fox.

You are a confused little boy, aren't you?

Aren't we all

[suffianr]

Aren't we all

Not really.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 07:31 PM

Aren't we all

Not really.
Without confusion there is no humanity

[suffianr]

Whatever you say, Hitler Jurgen swine!

[Vinny Rafarino]

I agree with you Rommel would have won the war



:lol:

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 12 2003, 06:18 PM

I agree with you Rommel would have won the war



:lol:
No wonder it is you again that fails to see the man's talents :o

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Desert Fox+Sep 13 2003, 07:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Fox @ Sep 13 2003, 07:28 AM)
COMRADE [email protected] 12 2003, 06:18 PM

I agree with you Rommel would have won the war



:lol:
No wonder it is you again that fails to see the man&#39;s talents :o [/b]
Certainly it would have been more helpful if people like Goring and Kitel weren’t running the war but the truth is as a General commands more and more the less effective he becomes in certain areas. Rommel was an outstanding general I don’t doubt that, (I also recommend reading about the fall of France) but I am not sure he could have won the war. He could have repelled the D-Day invasion had the high command listened to him. But even Guderian couldn’t save Germany (Guderian is my favorite WW2 General). However after 1942 it would have been too late to actually salvage the war effort. The invasion of Russia could have succeeded had Hitler invaded earlier or made different moves. Russia&#39;s military for some reason has always -until 50 years ago-sucked in terms of individual training. For every German killed it took 15 Russians.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Loknar+Sep 13 2003, 07:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Sep 13 2003, 07:40 AM)
Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 13 2003, 07:28 AM

COMRADE [email protected] 12 2003, 06:18 PM

I agree with you Rommel would have won the war



:lol:
No wonder it is you again that fails to see the man&#39;s talents :o
Certainly it would have been more helpful if people like Goring and Kitel weren’t running the war but the truth is as a General commands more and more the less effective he becomes in certain areas. Rommel was an outstanding general I don’t doubt that, (I also recommend reading about the fall of France) but I am not sure he could have won the war. He could have repelled the D-Day invasion had the high command listened to him. But even Guderian couldn’t save Germany (Guderian is my favorite WW2 General). However after 1942 it would have been too late to actually salvage the war effort. The invasion of Russia could have succeeded had Hitler invaded earlier or made different moves. Russia&#39;s military for some reason has always -until 50 years ago-sucked in terms of individual training. For every German killed it took 15 Russians. [/b]
Well if they still had russia as ally they would have had a bit more chance, and there was proof that germany was laying contacts with Japan. If they would have had Japan as ally, they would have a real chance of winning the war. But however what is done is done

[suffianr]

If they would have had Japan as ally, they would have a real chance of winning the war.

Japan was fighting a self-contained war in the Pacific, in a theatre of war that spanned hundreds of islands, against the entire British Commonwealth and an America that was just beginning to really flex its military might.

No fucking way, Jose.

The reality is that Germany and Japan were only &#39;allies&#39; in name, little Adolf.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Hitler was facist, im sure this cannot be disputed, couple this with; "He was good to his own people" = His people were the minority rich corperate bastards on top, growing fat off the work of the indoictranted masses, supposedly also his people. Another contradiction in the wonderfully coherant Nazi philosophy.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 01:01 PM

If they would have had Japan as ally, they would have a real chance of winning the war.

Japan was fighting a self-contained war in the Pacific, in a theatre of war that spanned hundreds of islands, against the entire British Commonwealth and an America that was just beginning to really flex its military might.

No fucking way, Jose.

The reality is that Germany and Japan were only &#39;allies&#39; in name, little Adolf.
If they would have traded units with eachother. The war would have been much different :rolleyes:

[suffianr]

Traded units? What, are you an armchair strategist now?

The Wehrmacht fighting side by side with non-Aryans? Bloody hell, they couldn&#39;t even tolerate the fact that they had to collaborate with the Italians, Romanians, Ukranians and countless other races that were eventually absorbed into the German Army&#33;

Silly little Adolf&#33;

Your idea of that the cream of the Master Race would share foxholes with people they thought of as "untermenschen" is utterly absurd.

Your Fuhrer must be pissing his grave&#33;

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 05:39 PM
Traded units? What, are you an armchair strategist now?

The Wehrmacht fighting side by side with non-Aryans? Bloody hell, they couldn&#39;t even tolerate the fact that they had to collaborate with the Italians, Romanians, Ukranians and countless other races that were eventually absorbed into the German Army&#33;

Silly little Adolf&#33;

Your idea of that the cream of the Master Race would share foxholes with people they thought of as "untermenschen" is utterly absurd.

Your Fuhrer must be pissing his grave&#33;
Well, offcourse if they added other races to the german army, the would serve their purpose well as bulletflesh. Japanese soldiers loved to do kamikazi attacks, so they wouldn&#39;t mind to go crazy on the enemies of the reich. And the aryans wouldn&#39;t mind that their other races in their army if they are used as bulletflesh ;)

[Loknar]

That&#39;s not true, the Germans collaborated with any country that offered it&#39;s self as an ally. The Grand Mutafi was an Arab from Jerusalem who led a government in exile. Hitler really liked Arabs like the Grand Mutafi because of their mutual hatred of Jews. He helped raise an SS division of Bosnian Muslims who wiped out about %90 of Jews in Bosnia and is areas around Bosnia. And the Germans also fought along with allot of Russians. Hell even Indian and Pakistani POW&#39;s.


I doubt Japan could have traded much with Germany. the royal navy probably wouldn’t have allowed it. But it would be possible if the Germans captured the Suez canal.

Desert Fox

The Japanese tried to expand in Russia. However Zukov was able to drive them out. After that the Japanese decided not to continue an expansion into Siberia.

[suffianr]

Japanese soldiers loved to do kamikazi attacks, so they wouldn&#39;t mind to go crazy on the enemies of the reich.

Kamikaze &#39;attacks&#39; were motivated by the Bushido code of honour; it was the greatest act of divine sacrifice for a Japanese soldier in defence of his motherland. As such, performing kamikaze &#39;attacks&#39; was a privilege to a select few.

Hara Kiri was performed by individual soldiers not as a last-ditch effort to evade capture, but as a means to atone for their grievances and to die with honour, a concept which you seemed to have missed in its entirety.

You seem to, in your ignorance, degrade this act of self-sacrifice to some sort of perverted death wish.

If before I found your posts as plain evidence of your ignorance and stupidity, I must now consider you unworthy of further debate or discussion. To say that I am disappointed with your attitude would be an injustice to how disgusted I felt when I read your reply.

You disgust me.

Your are not worthy of any further insult or dialogue.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 08:37 PM

Japanese soldiers loved to do kamikazi attacks, so they wouldn&#39;t mind to go crazy on the enemies of the reich.

Kamikaze &#39;attacks&#39; were motivated by the Bushido code of honour; it was the greatest act of divine sacrifice for a Japanese soldier in defence of his motherland. As such, performing kamikaze &#39;attacks&#39; was a privilege to a select few.

Hara Kiri was performed by individual soldiers not as a last-ditch effort to evade capture, but as a means to atone for their grievances and to die with honour, a concept which you seemed to have missed in its entirety.

You seem to, in your ignorance, degrade this act of self-sacrifice to some sort of perverted death wish.

If before I found your posts as plain evidence of your ignorance and stupidity, I must now consider you unworthy of further debate or discussion. To say that I am disappointed with your attitude would be an injustice to how disgusted I felt when I read your reply.

You disgust me.

Your are not worthy of any further insult or dialogue.
You seem to forget one thing, if they would fight along the germans and would kamikazid themselves they would die a honourable death too. Since at the end it would have been for their country. Each people has their own view on honour. And I respect the japanese traditions but I would never kill myself and die with honour. I think no act of selfdestruction has honour.

Loknar

True the almighty navy of the brits wouldn&#39;t have allowed that, but don&#39;t forget the excellent japanese air army. They could have weakend the navy and the german navy could have finished most of the ships of the brits. And the rest would retreat.

[queen of diamonds]

What a good idea&#33; Let&#39;s dehumanise Hitler even more, thus depriving ourselves of any real opportunity to understand him, and therefore have any chance of preventing the rise of any other such figures.

Let&#39;s face up to a fact here; Hitler WAS human, not a monster masquerading as a human. I think it&#39;s clear from his writings and speeches that, while he was an extremely intelligent politician, he honestly believed that the Jews were the source of much misery for the people he believed he represented. Hitler was no less a patriot than any other soldier who fought, killed, and died for his country. Was his patriotism misguided? Most certainly. Was it contrary to all values that we consider dear and integral to our society? Yes. Can we write it off to "Hitler was an evil bastard", thus ignoring the presence of so many others of his mentality who, given the opportunity and right indoctrination, would do exactly the same things? For a group of people who profess to wish for the betterment of society, not without a heavy burden on your social conscience.

And before you write me off as a Nazi, I invite every one of you to join me in the activity I believe will truly give Hitler his due; the removal of support for his ideas by logic and the propagation of real thought processes.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I have the essential component for the removal of his ideals;


.45 ACP


Nice and logical.

[BuyOurEverything]

What a good idea&#33; Let&#39;s dehumanise Hitler even more, thus depriving ourselves of any real opportunity to understand him, and therefore have any chance of preventing the rise of any other such figures.

Let&#39;s face up to a fact here; Hitler WAS human, not a monster masquerading as a human. I think it&#39;s clear from his writings and speeches that, while he was an extremely intelligent politician, he honestly believed that the Jews were the source of much misery for the people he believed he represented. Hitler was no less a patriot than any other soldier who fought, killed, and died for his country. Was his patriotism misguided? Most certainly. Was it contrary to all values that we consider dear and integral to our society? Yes. Can we write it off to "Hitler was an evil bastard", thus ignoring the presence of so many others of his mentality who, given the opportunity and right indoctrination, would do exactly the same things? For a group of people who profess to wish for the betterment of society, not without a heavy burden on your social conscience.

And before you write me off as a Nazi, I invite every one of you to join me in the activity I believe will truly give Hitler his due; the removal of support for his ideas by logic and the propagation of real thought processes.

I completely agree. Writing Hitler off as a crazy evil dictator that everyone hated except a few rich elite is a dangerous mistake. When Hitler came to power Germany was a shit hole. Their money was worth nothing and they still felt like they&#39;d been fucked over in World War I. When Hitler came to power he played on people&#39;s fear and hate. Before he lost the war, Hitler improved the economy alot. For the German people he was extremely popular. He was so popular that people generally didn&#39;t care that he was never actually elected. His persecution of Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, blacks and everyone else was widely supported as people were looking for scapegoats. Hitler was not an anomaly there are thousands of people exactly like him throughout the world just waiting for an oppertunity.

[Vinny Rafarino]

It&#39;s not hard to raise your economy when you are doing it though IMPERIALISATION. Steling the money of other countries does not prove the "genius" of Hitler. It only proves that the slime ball had not evolved out of the barbaric period of the history of homosapiens.


You have&#33; ME take&#33; Now ME have&#33;



Ultra-genius if I do say so myself.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 25 2003, 03:57 AM
It&#39;s not hard to raise your economy when you are doing it though IMPERIALISATION. Steling the money of other countries does not prove the "genius" of Hitler. It only proves that the slime ball had not evolved out of the barbaric period of the history of homosapiens.


You have&#33; ME take&#33; Now ME have&#33;



Ultra-genius if I do say so myself.
Well DUMBASS, sorry to be so rude but you are one. Offcourse he will steal money from his foes, he has to show his people the wars make profit for them. If they wouldn&#39;t get a penny from the wars, we would have never known WWII ;)

[Vinny Rafarino]

Gee whiz thank&#39;s for the sentiment spanky.


Yeah, that&#39;s why he stole money from conquered countries...To show his people the war can make profit&#33;


You&#39;re an economic genius&#33;

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by Desert Fox+Sep 10 2003, 05:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Fox @ Sep 10 2003, 05:28 PM)
Babylon5 [email protected] 10 2003, 05:22 PM
You need to watch Part II. Hitler was an evil bastard.
For his foes yes, but for his own people no. Only when he send his men to russia but for the rest he was fairly good for his own men ... [/b]
Lol his "own" people. He wasn&#39;t even German, nor tall, nor blond nor blue eyed nor smart.

At the end while he ordered the rest of the HitlerJugend to engage the Red Army on bycicles, he commited suicide. That&#39;s betrayel. That&#39;s even low for a facist.

The word goes that he saw the Slavic people at the end as teh "ubermensch" and teh German as the "untermensch". :P

[Exploited Class]

It always amazes me that people try to find the good in Hitler. What is the motive behin that? That whole like, "Sure he was an abomination to mankind but the man was a genious." I don&#39;t understand that motivation, is it that they really like Hitler and what he did except for a couple of things that they disagree with or is it that they agree 100% behind everything he did, but it wouldn&#39;t be socially prudent to say so?

I don&#39;t think it is just being open minded on the subject and trying to evaluate a person on a whole to discover all their devices.

Its kind of like saying, "Yah Jake beat his wife, drank everyday, put down his kids, but he paid his taxes on time."

Is it just trying to find some type of thing that Hitler did that you can agree upon? Like you are looking for some type of connection to one of the greatest villians of our time?

I really don&#39;t get it, and I know there is some type of motivation behind it, perhaps just a troll motivation. Trying to stir the pot on OI.

[BuyOurEverything]

This isn&#39;t about liking Hitler, or even about saying he was a genius. We need to take a closer look at Hitler and learn from it. Hitler was not an abdormality and treating him as such will only doom us repeat history. The German people mostly supported Hitler and instead of denying that, why don&#39;t we find out why and learn from that and make sure it doesn&#39;t happen again.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 11:46 PM
This isn&#39;t about liking Hitler, or even about saying he was a genius. We need to take a closer look at Hitler and learn from it. Hitler was not an abdormality and treating him as such will only doom us repeat history. The German people mostly supported Hitler and instead of denying that, why don&#39;t we find out why and learn from that and make sure it doesn&#39;t happen again.
No, no, no, I understand the mindset of understanding and learning about things like Nazi&#39;s and Hitler and the such so history does not repeat itself. Unfortuently this isn&#39;t that type of academic speak that is taking place in this thread.

There is a big difference calling somebody a genious vs. them seizing opportunity at the correct time.

Saying something to the effect of, "Hitler was horrible to the Jewish people but was charming" is not academic, it is trying to put admiral traits to somebody that shouldn&#39;t be admired.

Academics would be more like, "Hitler used his charming traits to win the hearts of those around him in order to gain control and inact his vengence" is academic.

[Desert Fox]

Well the only difference between a genious and a madman is succes.

You have to agree with me on this one, Hitler was not that dumb since he could play the public and let them do what he wanted. He was a real bright fella, but he was over confident. (operation Barbarossa) If he had been more subtile then he would have made all of his dreams true instead of failing in the middle of them ;)