China's Revolts

[B5C]

It has spread into China now:


China rounds up 100 activists to rapidly quash pro-democracy 'Jasmine Revolution' organised online
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 7:47 PM on 20th February 2011
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Chinese authorities moved quickly and with force to quash a pro-democracy 'Jasmine Revolution', believed to have been inspired by the recent uprisings in the Middle East and North Africa.
More police than usual were scrambled to line the streets today, and there were a number of activists detained after online sites had organised staged protests in Beijing, Shanghai and 11 other major cities.
Citizens were urged to shout: 'We want food, we want work, we want housing, we want fairness' - a slogan that highlights common complaints among ordinary Chinese.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358834/China-quashes-pro-democracy-Jasmine-Revolution-force.html#ixzz1EXlnOIiv


http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20021114/cartoon20021114.gif

I just hope the pro-democracy protests get bigger and get rid of this authoritarian state.

[#FF0000]

That's a p. ballin political cartoon.

But yeah this is exciting. I wonder how hard the crackdown from the state will be.

[Os Cangaceiros]

This insurgency by liberals must be eradicated with extreme prejudice. After all, China remains a state w/ the worker's best interest (http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/us-government-works-three.html) always at heart:


The CPC provides the Chinese working-class a level of protection against super-exploitation, providing services and rights that would otherwise be destroyed by a foreign-dominated "free market." In recent labor disputes, the government has shown its capacity to intervene on the side of the workers and support their struggles for better wages.

:rolleyes:

[B5C]

That's a p. ballin political cartoon.

But yeah this is exciting. I wonder how hard the crackdown from the state will be.

P. Ballin? The Cartoonist is my local favorite David Horsey.

Well it's China. Death-squads and tanks.

[#FF0000]

P. Ballin?

P. ballin = pretty cool


Well it's China. Death-squads and tanks.

Somehow I don't expect it to be that brutal but then again I didn't expect the monarchy of Bahrain to strafe funerals with attack helicopters

[B5C]

P. ballin = pretty cool



Somehow I don't expect it to be that brutal but then again I didn't expect the monarchy of Bahrain to strafe funerals with attack helicopters

Well they did it once and they can do it again.
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[Toppler]

I was in China and ... while the goverment might be assholish it is the only country that went from huts to skyscrapers in 20 years.

And I saw 1984 from Orwell on the bookshelves. The censorship can be circumvented by a primitive proxy server, I personally circumvented it in a net-cafe (NOT "for foreigners only" or in hotel) with this website http://hidemyass.com/ .

It was a totalitarian hellhole under Mao but that's besides the point.

And it is a corrupt capitalist state, but at least state prevents the privatization of everything and the economic growth there is the highest in the world.

And I wouldn't pull Tiananmen too much. The "bastion of democracy" USA killed far more people than post-Mao PRC in Iraq and Afghanistan alone. Just fucking see this list of wars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States .

Of course I am not going to mentioned the pet dictators, such as this kind guy http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/07/07/suharto-monster-of-the-cia-and-u-s-empir-1 .

I am all for a true socialist revolution to happen in China. But the fact alone that this is being called "Jasmine revolution" makes me feel this is just another color coded revolution designed to advance US interests. Sorry to be a dictatorship apologist, but we've had too much of these "color revolutions" in Eastern Europe and it only brought more Balkanization, poverty and corruption.

[scarletghoul]

my fail senses are tingling


When Sunday came, the protests fizzled into almost nothing. The overwhelming majority of Chinese residents probably had no idea they'd even been called for-the websites used to advertise the protests are either blocked or heavily censored in China.

In Beijing, a crowd showed up in front of a McDonald's at the large Wangfujing shopping district downtown. But most of those present appeared to be journalists, plainclothes police or curious shoppers wondering why there were so many cameras.
One woman wearing Dior sunglasses stopped to ask if a celebrity was going to make an appearance.
After a few minutes, uniformed Beijing police began to file in, photographing the crowd and asking people to move along. A man walked up the stairs of the McDonald's carrying a handful of white flowers - apparently a nod to the Jasmine theme - and was grabbed by a plainclothes security officer and pushed to the side. The incident happened so quickly that many in the crowd didn't see what had happened.
Reporters and other onlookers, holding cameras aloft, ran after the man and the plainclothes security contingent shoving him down a side street.
The Associated Press reported on Sunday that beyond the crowd in Beijing and a smaller one in Shanghai, other Chinese cities stayed quiet.
Standing in the crowd in Beijing on Sunday, one onlooker said he'd come hoping to see, or perhaps even take part in, a real protest. The young man, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, took a look around and said, "It didn't work."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/20/2076764/china-cracks-down-on-protest-threats.html

[Toppler]

This is why I am skeptical. Of course Western media will blow this out of proportion while neglecting Libya and Tunisia because China is "the enemy".

And I wouldn't call China totalitarian by any means. Authoritarian, yes. The terminology is bullshit anyways supposed to distinguish the "good US pet dictatorships" from the "evil" ones.

[Pretty Flaco]

I was in China and ... while the goverment might be assholish it is the only country that went from huts to skyscrapers in 20 years.

And I saw 1984 from Orwell on the bookshelves. The censorship can be circumvented by a primitive proxy server, I personally circumvented it in a net-cafe (NOT "for foreigners only" or in hotel) with this website http://hidemyass.com/ .

It was a totalitarian hellhole under Mao but that's besides the point.

And it is a corrupt capitalist state, but at least state prevents the privatization of everything and the economic growth there is the highest in the world.

And I wouldn't pull Tiananmen too much. The "bastion of democracy" USA killed far more people than post-Mao PRC in Iraq and Afghanistan alone. Just fucking see this list of wars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States .

Of course I am not going to mentioned the pet dictators, such as this kind guy http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/07/07/suharto-monster-of-the-cia-and-u-s-empir-1 .

I am all for a true socialist revolution to happen in China. But the fact alone that this is being called "Jasmine revolution" makes me feel this is just another color coded revolution designed to advance US interests. Sorry to be a dictatorship apologist, but we've had too much of these "color revolutions" in Eastern Europe and it only brought more Balkanization, poverty and corruption.


There's nothing special about China. It's a pseudo-socialist imperialistic state that is just as poor on it's workers as the United States.

[Toppler]

That's true. That's why calling it either a socialist state or some sort of a genocidal totalitarian state is both incorrect. But USA hasn't gone from huts to skyscrapers in 20 years. Otherwise I agree with you.

The issue is, is this revolution legit, or total baloney?

[Pretty Flaco]

That's true. That's why calling it either a socialist state or some sort of a genocidal totalitarian state is both incorrect. But USA hasn't gone from huts to skyscrapers in 20 years. Otherwise I agree with you.

The issue is, is this revolution legit, or total baloney?

But only a small section of China experienced the rapid urbanization. There are still a large deal of areas where they've still got huts or unsanitary housing.

[gorillafuck]

Well it's China. Death-squads and tanks.China doesn't use death squads.

And the PSL's line is so ridiculous.:laugh:

But this doesn't seem like it's similar to Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc.

[RGacky3]

I wonder how hard the crackdown from the state will be.

Considering the nature of the state, Im guessing pretty damn hard.

I personally doubt this will be big enough to make a dent, the Chineese totalitarian state is way more efficient than what the middle east states have, so its gonna be hard.

But hey, Go China, if this gets big Glenn Becks brain is going to explode trying to explain this.


I am all for a true socialist revolution to happen in China. But the fact alone that this is being called "Jasmine revolution" makes me feel this is just another color coded revolution designed to advance US interests. Sorry to be a dictatorship apologist, but we've had too much of these "color revolutions" in Eastern Europe and it only brought more Balkanization, poverty and corruption.

These revolutions are way different in nature to the "color revolutions", their calling it a Jasmine revolution because the media is dumb and needs catch phrases, these revolts were truely bottom up grass roots and totally not expected by the US.

[Bud Struggle]

But hey, Go China, if this gets big Glenn Becks brain is going to explode trying to explain this.

I don't know for sure--but I think that Beck would kind of like this Revolution--China being Red Communist and all of that.

[RGacky3]

I don't know for sure--but I think that Beck would kind of like this Revolution--China being Red Communist and all of that.

Except this is a leftist revolt, and corpoate America loves China.

[B5C]

China doesn't use death squads.


ok Mobile Death Units:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

[Viet Minh]

ok Mobile Death Units:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

Wow I couldn't even read that for laughing, this is the ultimate hypocrisy from a nation that imprisons more people than any other, and for generally lesser offences. As for mobile death units, well its more efficient than death row..

[resurgence]

Wow I couldn't even read that for laughing, this is the ultimate hypocrisy from a nation that imprisons more people than any other, and for generally lesser offences. As for mobile death units, well its more efficient than death row..

Would like to see some figures backing that assertion up, not that I am a fan of the Dengist regime.

Also are moderators aware that loyal4life.org the website is heavily devoted to death squads dedicated almost solely to random setcarian murder in Ireland during the last round of conflict there?

[Viet Minh]

Would like to see some figures backing that assertion up, not that I am a fan of the Dengist regime.




"Approximately one in every 18 men in America is behind bars or being monitored"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Population



Also are moderators aware that loyal4life.org the website is heavily devoted to death squads dedicated almost solely to random setcarian murder in Ireland during the last round of conflict there?

Are moderators aware that many people on here have links and images in favour of death squads dedicated almost solely to random sectarian/ nationalist murder in the UK and Ireland during the last round of trouble there? Yes, obviously.

[resurgence]

Are moderators aware that many people on here have links and images in favour of death squads dedicated almost solely to random sectarian/ nationalist murder in the UK and Ireland during the last round of trouble there? Yes, obviously.

If you cant understand the difference between the IRA and the INLA who despite certain falls from their principles were never in essence sectarian and the Loyalists with their "Any Taig Will Do" attitude who deliberately sought out civilians to murder and torture there is little hope for you.

[Viet Minh]

If you cant understand the difference between the IRA and the INLA who despite certain falls from their principles were never in essence sectarian and the Loyalists with their "Any Taig Will Do" attitude who deliberately sought out civilians to murder and torture there is little hope for you.

If you believe the issues are really that one-sided it seems there is little hope for you, therefore its pointless debating. For the record though yes some Loyalist groups (whom I do not support in any way) such as the UDA were sectarian in nature, as were many Nationalist groups. From their perspective the UDA were under attack by Nationalists, indiscriminately killing both Protestant and Catholic civilians, although you would probably agree their focus was on the Protestants where possible. The UDA responded initially by trying to target known IRA members, but due to a lack of resources and the secretiveness of the IRA, and the increasing violence they began to respond with tit-for-tat sectarian murders. As is always the case the initial good intent (defense of civilians) soon became infested with criminality, and the nastier elements of society are drawn to the fore. I'm not condoning any of this, I support peace and integration in Northern Ireland, I'm just responding to your attack.

Also, this is not the relevant thread to start this all over again! ;)

[RGacky3]

I click on a thread about the revolt in China, and I find another argument over Northern Ireland.